An open letter to all DR copywriters who persist in believing content writing is not copywriting

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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everyone.

It being the giving season, I wanted to gift you something today.

A client of mine sent this to me at the time when the whole native ad, article lander, quality article writing, content marketing revolution took off. He wanted to give me some direction regarding what he wanted as an article lander.

Candidly, since then, it's served as a secret weapon for me. A source of strategy and inspiration.

Before I share it, I suspect the majority of copywriters reading it will not acknowledge it as copywriting. At first glance, it's an article. Nothing more, nothing less.

"Move on, nothing to see here" as they say.

But to me? This is an example of extremely tight, compelling copy.

Ok, I know. You disagree.

You want proof?

This is THE ad that put Merrill Lynch on the map. It generated 10,000+ leads for the firm back in the 40's. It was written by Louis Engel. Do the research.

LOUIS ENGEL JR., EX-MERRILL LYNCH PARTNER, DIES - NYTimes.com

When you read the ad, I suspect you'll have a hard time finding the call-to-action. It's buried, you'll have to dig for it, but it's there.

This one article is why I personally don't get upset when we talk about blogging or content writing or article writing.

To me? It's all the same.

If it leads to business, if it leads to a little money changing hands, call it what you will, it's all copy to me.

I have tremendous respect and appreciation for this kind of copy.

Back in the 90's, I built my systems integration business writing high quality magazine articles like this. At the high point, I wrote for 15 hard copy magazines in the tech space each month.

1000 words a month, each. Prime space. Back page. I got the equivalent of $60K in free ad space every month.

This was the catch:

The editors wouldn't allow a call-to-action. No pitch. The content of my articles had to be so targeted, so useful, so relevant, on their own they had to compel people to pick up the phone and reach out.

It's doable. The secret? To know your market like the back of your hand.

Here's the Merrill Lynch ad:





After reading the ad, I'd love to hear your perspective.

Merry Christmas and/or whatever holiday you're celebrating.

- Rick Duris
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  • Profile picture of the author splitTest
    Well, if you want to talk semantics, even journalistic articles are "copy"... That's why there's a "copy desk" at newspapers. Do copy editors work exclusively on ad copy? Me thinks not.

    There's also the consideration that copywriters in many industries work on lots of projects that aren't classic copywriting, such as press releases, executive bios, annual reports, etc. (including advertorials like the above).

    Personally, I'd rather the industry come up with another name for web content writing than "copywriting." There's a big difference in the goals of each (mainly engagement and SEO for one, action for the other)... not to mention the difference in the rates writers charge...

    I think what will likely happen instead is copywriters will begin to use other names for what they do.
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    • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
      Originally Posted by splitTest View Post

      Well, if you want to talk semantics, even journalistic articles are "copy"... That's why there's a "copy desk" at newspapers. Do copy editors work exclusively on ad copy? Me thinks not.

      There's also the consideration that copywriters in many industries work on lots of projects that aren't classic copywriting, such as press releases, executive bios, annual reports, etc. (including advertorials like the above).

      Personally, I'd rather the industry come up with another name for web content writing than "copywriting." There's a big difference in the goals of each (mainly engagement and SEO for one, action for the other)... not to mention the difference in the rates writers charge...

      I think what will likely happen instead is copywriters will begin to use other names for what they do.
      Originally Posted by MatthewRHallEsq View Post

      Well said, Rick. The whole point of content marketing (and I mean real content marketing, not SEO spam) is to create content that compels your reader to take some sort of action. That's often to sign up for more content or buy a product or even just read the next article. Many instances of longform copywriting do exactly the same because they are the same.

      I can understand why some copywriters would be so nit-picky about the distinction between the two. Obsession with semantics seems to be a trait many copywriters have (and others need to develop).

      Thanks for the share. Merry Christmas/Happy New Year to you, too.
      Good points.

      FYI: What's happening is the reverse of what you're anticipating. All sorts of writing is being lumped together under one term:

      "The creative".

      Obviously whether it's all creative is debatable. But that's what they're calling it.

      PS: Quick question. From your perspective, is the example I posted an article or an ad, both or neither?
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      • Profile picture of the author MatthewRHallEsq
        Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post

        PS: Quick question. From your perspective, is the example I posted an article or an ad, both or neither?
        "An advertorial" is the first term that came to mind for me. It's definitely an advertisement (someone paid money for that copy to appear where it is, and its purpose is to eventually win customers through generating leads), but it's also remarkably informative as an article.

        So, both?

        It's permission marketing, to borrow Godin's phrase.
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      • Profile picture of the author splitTest
        Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post

        Good points.

        FYI: What's happening is the reverse of what you're anticipating. All sorts of writing is being lumped together under one term:

        "The creative".

        Obviously whether it's all creative is debatable. But that's what they're calling it.
        That's an interesting development, especially since "creative" implies graphic design too... I guess it's apt though, since high-level copywriters are often involved in marketing, branding, concepts, visuals -- stuff that goes way beyond writing...

        Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post

        PS: Quick question. From your perspective, is the example I posted an article or an ad, both or neither?
        I'd call it both (an "advertorial")... Strictly speaking, anything that's paid for is an ad... but the format mimics editorial content...
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          I can kind of understand why people get irritated that some posters don't differentiate at all between content-writing and copywriting. I've been known to, myself, too.

          Also, let's not forget that there's a slight "anomaly" in this forum in that "links to your own site" are not allowed in the text of posts in the Main Marketing Forum and the moderators will sometimes, therefore, move to this Copywriting folder threads which began there, as appraisal requests with a link. It's not the ideal solution, obviously, but it's also "kind of understandable"?


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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewRHallEsq
    Well said, Rick. The whole point of content marketing (and I mean real content marketing, not SEO spam) is to create content that compels your reader to take some sort of action. That's often to sign up for more content or buy a product or even just read the next article. Many instances of longform copywriting do exactly the same because they are the same.

    I can understand why some copywriters would be so nit-picky about the distinction between the two. Obsession with semantics seems to be a trait many copywriters have (and others need to develop).

    Thanks for the share. Merry Christmas/Happy New Year to you, too.
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    • Originally Posted by MatthewRHallEsq View Post

      Well said, Rick. The whole point of content marketing (and I mean real content marketing, not SEO spam) is to create content that compels your reader to take some sort of action. That's often to sign up for more content or buy a product or even just read the next article. Many instances of longform copywriting do exactly the same because they are the same.
      To me, if we're talking about content or copy in a business/marketing context ALL content and copy is or should be about moving the reader along to a sale.

      Other than content which is SEO spam, blog journaling, or written for entertainment purposes, I would define content as being material which is created primarily to provide information and to pre-sell.

      Direct response sales copy aims to secure the sale. It may also inform and pre-sell but the intention of the copy is to get the sale.

      The content is the warm up. The DR copy is the close.
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  • Profile picture of the author Flyingpig7
    I immediately thought "advertorial" as well, when I read Rick's post. Strictly speaking it's nothing new as a technique that has been used for decades in magazines and newspapers.

    I hear what you're saying, it's all content designed to do something, achieve a particular aim.

    For myself I agree in part with Alexa where people get irritated when someone asks for a copywriter for a $2 dollar article they don't understand the difference between cheap mill fodder and proper writing then again what I call "Designed writing" (Copywriting). I get irritated too.

    I think really part of the difference is "Quality" and "what it is designed to do", two things not all writing does.

    I'm not sure about the "links to own site" not thought of it like that, a good point.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
    For a lot of companies, content is their main driving force.

    I personally write a LOT of content - from blogs to native landers.

    I know there's a big charge amongst copywriters to separate copy from content, but they've always been a great marriage.

    And these days, content is a must, more than ever, if you want to create an effective funnel for cold traffic.

    Here's the thing...

    Just because they are article and content mills churning stuff out for $4... does NOT mean copywriters need to distance themselves from the skill.

    There are also people writing sales letters for $47 and $97.

    Do we try to compete with them?

    No!

    We position ourselves accordingly.

    Same with content.

    I don't "lower" myself to write content. I love doing it. And again, it's a necessary part of a complete funnel. (Good luck running FB ads without it.)

    And man, Rick showed me the newspaper ad a while back. It served as inspiration for me too.

    Mark

    P.S. "Creative" has always been more than copy.
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      An advertorial style ad I wrote for a new web designer
      brought in $25k worth of work in 3 days of
      running it and became the most ripped off
      ad for web designers.

      It showed in money terms the different elements of
      design made for different type of businesses.

      It set up what I call a Performance Gap.

      There was no mention of the web designers work.
      Just solid help for anybody having a web site built.

      Best,
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      • Profile picture of the author Cam Connor
        Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

        An advertorial style ad I wrote for a new web designer
        brought in $25k worth of work in 3 days of
        running it and became the most ripped off
        ad for web designers.

        It showed in money terms the different elements of
        design made for different type of businesses.

        It set up what I call a Performance Gap.

        There was no mention of the web designers work.
        Just solid help for anybody having a web site built.

        Best,
        Doctor E. Vile
        Demonstrating knowledge can certainly be an important aspect of advertorial-like copy.

        Let's see the swipe, if you care to show it.
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  • Profile picture of the author splitTest
    It's also worth saying that advertorials are different from content. They're paid messages, designed to reach a specific audience in their natural habitat, just like advertising, except a softer sell. Most of them in fact do feature clear calls to action, Rick's example notwithstanding.

    Content marketing would be better compared to the articles you see in a "house organ" or customer newsletter -- something published lock, stock and barrel by a company with the purpose of keeping customers engaged (while plying the soft sell). In fact, much of content writing could be lumped in with "public relations" more easily than advertising.

    Either way, it's technically "copy." I'd bet there are very few copywriters who'd turn up their nose at that kinda work. Even the great bob bly does content. The lines are blurry as they've always been.

    I'm with mal however, in that I get irritated when content writing gets lumped in with copy on copywriting discussion boards. Content is clearly different. The going rate for content is pennies per word, the methods and principles are different, the goal is often different. I think the comparison of copywriting with content writing brings down copywriting.

    What do you say to people asking for critiques of their content writing anyway? The "right and wrong" is far less clear, because obviously with content, as long as it's engaging (or promotes SEO), it's all good. What do you do -- correct their grammar? (Yes, there are certain principles at work, but they're far fewer than with real copywriting.)

    ...So if we're here to talk about copywriting and half the threads with "copywriting" in the title are actually about content writing, I can see how people would get irritated, having wasted time clicking the links.
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  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    I think what makes the Merrill Lynch fascinating to me is it doesn't attempt to sell anything. Like an advertorial usually would.

    It doesn't promote the company, except for the "tombstone" business card information. It makes no offer. There's no pitch. There is no proof. There's no news about the company. It's devoid of emotional selling.

    Just clear, factual information about how to buy and sell stocks and bonds.

    ----

    I also think there's more to this Merril Lynch ad than meets the eye.

    First, one has to appreciate when this ad was doing well, stocks and bonds were an investment usually reserved for the affluent. Merrill Lynch however, wanted to crack the growing middle class market.

    So the way I've thought about this ad, is as a subtle demonstration of preemptive advertising. Being the first to tell a story only industry insiders know.

    In this case, how stocks and bonds are bought and sold.

    Kind of like the way Schlitz ads talk about how their beer is made, yet all beer is made the same way.

    I suspect at the time, it being the 1940s, after the war and with an economy taking off, this investment information would have been considered new to the middle class.

    Which may be why people gobbled it up.



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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    Content writing and copywriting can be two different things.

    Copywriters know how to take content writing and make it sell.

    Content writers with no knowledge of copywriting usually fail miserably.

    The whole debate can go round and round in circles, kinda like the long versus short copy thing.

    If as the OP does...takes an advertorial and says "hey look" here's some content that sells...is a moot point. It's taking something written by a trained copywriter and trying to prove content writing works.

    Anyone could come up with tons of content writing to show content writing is useless in terms of selling. The deciding factor would always come down to if a copywriter were writing the content with the goal of selling.

    The best content writing advertorials that come to my mind are the ones Ogilvy did on how to write great ads etc.

    So, my point, if a trained copywriter looks at something and says it simply content writing, they're probably spot on. They can tell the difference between an article writer putting together some content and a copywriter putting together some content. Huge huge difference.

    Interesting thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
      Nice share Rick.

      I'd call it an advertorial with two main goals: Removing objections about investing for their target audience (middle class at that time) and creating reciprocity. When many of the other brokers were positioning themselves at the time as catering to the affluent or an "elite" clientele, this ad basically clears some of the frequent (un)asked questions and mystique around the stock market.

      Since they couldn't do a direct call to action, I think they did a great job of creating reciprocity instead. People read this advertorial, felt grateful that someone cleared up some of their confusion, and in return wanted to do business with this "nice" brokerage firm and not one of their "hoity-toity" competitors.

      IMHO, a lot of content thrown up online lacks this psychology. Either it's an encyclopedia article posted online. Or it's something which leads to a blatant call to action to buy something. Or it's something with CTAs for multiple products scattered through the article. Sure, the CTA done repeatedly in a blog post or article can work... but IMHO, it has to eventually cause readers to tune it out because the subscribers get conditioned that reading the latest article from a site owner will only lead to the "latest thing he wants to sell me."

      Done right, content can inspire people to explore a website. Often they will reciprocate by buying other products or services of the website owner that aren't even mentioned in the content. I've seen it happen more times than I can count with my own info-product business.

      But it takes weaving the right psychology into the content... and not just throwing a bunch of words together in order to meet a word or page count.

      My 3 cents,

      Mike
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      • Profile picture of the author MatthewRHallEsq
        Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys View Post

        Since they couldn't do a direct call to action, I think they did a great job of creating reciprocity instead. People read this advertorial, felt grateful that someone cleared up some of their confusion, and in return wanted to do business with this "nice" brokerage firm and not one of their "hoity-toity" competitors.
        Mike, this is what content marketing SHOULD be about -- but most people don't get it. They think people will magically care about them if they publish yet another "3 Benefits of Our Product" article crapped out by an intern.

        Very nice distillation of good content marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Pines
    By an unusual coincidence I was looking at this ad yesterday, whilst reading Ogilvy on Advertising.

    It's a stunning, information-rich advertorial, but it could never have been written by a 'content writer', it was written by a world class copywriter who knew he had to purposefully tone down the level of sophistication for the market that Merrill Lynch were going after.

    Today's 'content' isn't content at all - it's FILLER. That's why people are charging $2 for 200 words of junk that's only of use in filling bandwidth, and convincing a site owner that the more 'content' they have on a site, the more chance of getting a higher SEO placing.

    The call to action on this ad is embedded in every one of the 6,540 words used - but maybe we don't see it because we're so used to generic phrases like...
    Limited stock available
    Call by December 31st for an extra special free bonus
    But wait, there's more
    etc, etc, etc

    The whole ad is a call to action for those who wanted to buy stock but were drowned out by the elitism of the stock market and its' brokers.

    It could never have been written by a 'content' writer - it was masterfully crafted by a copywriter who knew exactly who he was targeting and gave them the content/information they'd never been given before.

    Interestingly, Engel doesn't appear to have honed his skill in either direct response, or with an ad agency. According to this article (Louis Engel: The Man Who Brought Wall Street to Main Street | CRSP - The Center for Research in Security Prices)

    From 1930 to 1932, Engel worked as a staff member at the University of Chicago Press.

    In 1932, he moved to New York to take a $35.00 a week job writing for the magazine, Advertising and Selling. In 1933, Engel was appointed Managing Editor.

    He joined Business Week as a reporter in 1934 and in 1936, at age 27, he was made the Managing Editor.

    In 1940, family friend Ted Braun tried to recruit Engel to the newly merged firms of Merrill Lynch and E.A. Pierce. Braun, who worked as a consultant on the Merrill deal, believed that Charlie Merrill would be putting greater emphasis on marketing and advertising in the combined firms and thought Engel to be a good fit. Engel declined Braun's invitation and continued on at Business Week.

    In 1946, management changes at Business Week forced Engel to seek new opportunities. That summer, Engel interviewed with Winthrop H. Smith, a founding partner at Merrill, but ultimately decided to pass on the opportunity presented to him. Following that decision, Engel signed on as Editor and correspondent for the newly launched Kiplinger publication - Changing Times. Within weeks of starting his new position, Engel determined that his new role at Kiplinger was not going to work for him. In the fall of 1946, Engel called Win Smith at Merrill to inquire whether the Advertising and Sales Promotion Manager position was still available. During that phone call, Engel accepted an offer from Smith and he joined Merrill on November 15, 1946.

    Also worth noting that Merrill Lynch did NOT approve the ad to go straight into the New York Times.

    At first, Charlie, Smith, and Magowan were only lukewarm about this questionable marketing concept. At five thousand dollars, the cost of running the full-page ad in the New York Times was extremely high relative to the size of the advertising budget (2 percent of the annual appropriation, to be exact).

    Finally, a compromise was reached. The partners agreed to allow Engel to run a trial advertisement in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, where the cost of space was much lower than in New York. If the ad bombed, they could drop the whole idea without wasting another nickel of the advertising budget. When the public response to the Cleveland experiment proved encouraging, Engel received permission to test the ad in the New York Times.

    It's one of the most brilliant ads ever written, and as Rick Duris mentions, it's the ad that created Merrill Lynch.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Some great discussion in this thread. If Rick's post is in anyway
    related to the distinction made between copywriting and article
    writing for the purpose of defining this forum section, then I think that
    that definition is an (WF) internal one. The line of distinction
    between both becomes blurred when "hidden" persuasion comes
    packaged as innocent content. There are no CTAs, hype and
    selling. But strictly speaking, we are always selling in our communication.
    We can either be doing a good job or a poor one.

    But the difference between copywriting and content writing is disappearing
    each day with the shift towards social media these days.

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  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    Originally Posted by The Pines View Post

    It's one of the most brilliant ads ever written, and as Rick Duris mentions, it's the ad that created Merrill Lynch.
    Interesting insights.

    One of the reasons I think it represents breakthrough thinking is because Engel wasn't copywriter. He came from journalism.

    It may account for why there are few copywriting devices. It may account for the originality from a copywriting perspective.

    This ad proves there's another way to get the job done. As a few have pointed out, it requires superior writing abilities.

    What's clear is Engel understood the stocks and bonds enough to write about them, he understood the market and maybe most importantly, he knew how to write to the market in language they would understand.

    Thanks for the pulling the additional research. It was useful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
    Best thread in a while Rick.

    I remembered when Freelancer took over the WF and changed the copywriting forum into integrating content strategies. Here's a reminder.

    HUGE uproar.

    I'm curious...

    Knowing that most copywriters need to write content these days (or should be,) do you think content DOES have a place in the copywriting forum? And if so, how should it be integrated?

    In other words...

    What if Freelancer communicated their intentions to integrate content and copy? And did it in a way that more people than not were on-board with? Would it fly?

    Because lets face it...

    Content will always find its way onto this forum.

    Maybe... just maybe... instead of resisting its presence, there's a better way to combine the two strategies?

    Bloggers can drive massive sales too (think Bulletproof coffee.)

    And Max5ty makes a great point...

    Copywriters who also craft content are in many ways ahead of the curve. What's the point of resistance? Or leaving the forum because content threads keep popping up?

    Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author splitTest
      Originally Posted by Mark Pescetti View Post

      Best thread in a while Rick.

      I remembered when Freelancer took over the WF and changed the copywriting forum into integrating content strategies. Here's a reminder.

      HUGE uproar.

      I'm curious...

      Knowing that most copywriters need to write content these days (or should be,) do you think content DOES have a place in the copywriting forum? And if so, how should it be integrated?

      In other words...

      What if Freelancer communicated their intentions to integrate content and copy? And did it in a way that more people than not were on-board with? Would it fly?

      Because lets face it...

      Content will always find its way onto this forum.

      Maybe... just maybe... instead of resisting its presence, there's a better way to combine the two strategies?

      Bloggers can drive massive sales too (think Bulletproof coffee.)

      And Max5ty makes a great point...

      Copywriters who also craft content are in many ways ahead of the curve. What's the point of resistance? Or leaving the forum because content threads keep popping up?

      Mark
      My objections would be:

      -- The board would attract too many of the $.02-per-word guys. Eventually most threads would be about content, few about copy... There are plenty other boards like that on the web. Very few active boards about classic copywriting, though...

      -- Content writing doesn't make for much interesting discussion... There are fewer "rules" and clever methods.

      Content is more like art -- if it's good it's good, if it works, it works. Content can be anything from a slideshow to poetry in fact. What's to discuss?

      (Yes, there's a little "science" to it, eg. how to write an attractive headline and other SEO stuff... but not much...)

      Copy, on the other hand, has many specific, innovative tricks and techniques, designed to get a reaction, not just engagement. ...Like dr. vile's technique in this very thread. We'd be diluting the board & seeing less great, specific stuff like that if there are too many threads about content writing...

      -- We'd also be encouraging confusion between content & copywriting. Content writers themselves seem most confused. I think that's bad for the copywriting industry in lots of ways. Better that potential clients see these two disciplines as separate as we can keep them.

      On the other hand, maybe it's just inevitable that the two disciplines merge here as they're merging in general.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cam Connor
        Originally Posted by splitTest View Post

        -- The board would attract too many of the $.02-per-word guys. Eventually most threads would be about content, few about copy... There are plenty other boards like that on the web. Very few active boards about classic copywriting, though...

        -- Content writing doesn't make for much interesting discussion... There are fewer "rules" and clever methods.
        These are already problems on this forum... "Hey guys, what's a good spinner for my content?".

        Advertorials are OK, but purely content-related threads like this should be reported so they go into the Mod Queue. Once they're in the mod queue they're deleted, so really, we have the power to moderate these forums ourselves.
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        • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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          Yes, yes I know I said "this is my last post" à la Max5ty some time back...but I can't help but comment after seeing some of the above.
          Originally Posted by Cam Connor View Post

          These are already problems on this forum... "Hey guys, what's a good spinner for my content?".

          Advertorials are OK, but purely content-related threads like this should be reported so they go into the Mod Queue. Once they're in the mod queue they're deleted, so really, we have the power to moderate these forums ourselves.
          Exactly. As for the so-called "Mod queue" - laugh out loud. Nothing happens. It's obvious that the new owners/mods/and probably most of you guys think content/articles/whatever you want to call the crap is the same as copywriting. Its not. The posts here just get worse and worse - "What do you think of my blog?" etc. There's no one at the helm. All sorts of rubbish is posted or moved here. "We have the power to moderate these forums ourselves" - no we don't and we never did. That's why this forum is going down the gurgler. As for the outright fraudulent offers being promoted in the banners - that's scandalous. (Go ahead - report me like you did last time. I could care less.)This has just morphed into another Blackhat forum. With a bunch of clueless newbie content-writers thinking because their bloggie has sold a few affiliate offers that they are now copywriters.

          As for the O.P. , for once Max5ty is right on the money -
          Content writing and copywriting can be two different things.

          Copywriters know how to take content writing and make it sell.

          Content writers with no knowledge of copywriting usually fail miserably.

          The whole debate can go round and round in circles, kinda like the long versus short copy thing.

          If as the OP does...takes an advertorial and says "hey look" here's some content that sells...is a moot point. It's taking something written by a trained copywriter and trying to prove content writing works.

          Anyone could come up with tons of content writing to show content writing is useless in terms of selling. The deciding factor would always come down to if a copywriter were writing the content with the goal of selling.

          The best content writing advertorials that come to my mind are the ones Ogilvy did on how to write great ads etc.

          So, my point, if a trained copywriter looks at something and says it simply content writing, they're probably spot on. They can tell the difference between an article writer putting together some content and a copywriter putting together some content. Huge huge difference.
          As for Ogilvy it's well-known he nicked the concept from that Merrill Lynch ADVERTORIAL (it's even headed "advertisement") above and similar stuff.

          I suspect most of the writers here are content-writers - calling themselves copywriters. Completely different beasts in my book. As our mysterious colleague Max has pointed out.

          You content-writers would get eaten alive in a real advertising copy exercise.

          So...comes back to decent Moderation. At the moment it's not happening.

          Now I'll probably run away and sulk again.

          BTW...funny thing is. The guy who posted about his wife's cooking blog. I know EXACTLY how he can monetize that. But I didn't want to encourage more posts like that. She/he is actually sitting on a goldmine. And its not with the usual "Add an opt-in and send them a rubbishy cookbook" that some of you dopes suggested.

          You want to see a good blog? This Paris-based one is killing it. Don't know about you but I can spend all day reading her posts. Oh - and look - she's monetized it. And she's getting Press...and TV...and traction. Clever, clever girl.

          BTW you'll notice we talked about this Merrill Lynch advertorial and the Ogilvy nick of it 7 months back - http://www.warriorforum.com/copywrit...vertising.html

          Also includes a link to one of Kern's vids where he talks about swiping the idea as well (the vid with his wife's Roller).
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          • Profile picture of the author Cam Connor
            Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

            Yes, yes I know I said "this is my last post" à la Max5ty some time back...but I can't help but comment after seeing some of the above. Exactly. As for the so-called "Mod queue" - laugh out loud. Nothing happens. It's obvious that the new owners/mods/and probably most of you guys think content/articles/whatever you want to call the crap is the same as copywriting. Its not. The posts here just get worse and worse - "What do you think of my blog?" etc. There's no one at the helm. All sorts of rubbish is posted or moved here. "We have the power to moderate these forums ourselves" - no we don't and we never did. That's why this forum is going down the gurgler. As for the outright fraudulent offers being promoted in the banners - that's scandalous. (Go ahead - report me like you did last time. I could care less.)This has just morphed into another Blackhat forum. With a bunch of clueless newbie content-writers thinking because their bloggie has sold a few affiliate offers that they are now copywriters.
            Welcome back. Anyways, I've never seen a thread that I've reported which was content-related come back after being put in the mod queue, so I'm really not sure what you're talking about here. Can you show me a thread which was reported for being content related, and that went into mod queue, and then came back?
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  • Profile picture of the author jjosephs
    Looks like the Content Borg have arrived! Here is their greeting:


    I've always hated the word content. It's the corporate speak version of saying "stuff inside a thing". Charging alot for content is hard without an established name. You can charge alot for a bigger branding strategy which content fits into. But let's be real, any positioning obstacles facing a copywriter are 10X for someone calling themselves a content writer.

    Yes, content overlaps with copy at the rare extremes of ability. But content writing, like the word content is an empty vessel. It doesn't have underlying principles oriented toward a particular goal. Is it to inform? Is to relate? Is it sell? All the above? Can all these things be measured reliably?

    Which is why I consider this pre-merger to be somewhat irresponsible. The quantity and amount of maneuvering required to make content imitate the effect and efficiency of direct response strikes me as not worth the effort.

    Of course, more clients understand "content" than "copy" now, so I understand using the term for communications sake. But among those who know better, they are not and will never be the same thing.

    Content done incredibly well looks like copy.

    Copy done very poorly looks like content.
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    • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
      Interesting topic, but funny how quickly it turns into semantic tap-dancing.

      This, in my opinion, is really all that matters...

      Originally Posted by jjosephs View Post


      Content done incredibly well looks like copy.

      Copy done very poorly looks like content.
      Calling something copywriting doesn't make it copywriting, and, depending on who writes it what some would call content writing is hundreds of times more persuasive than some of the cybersludge you see online these days. It's less about what's being written or for what purpose it's being written and more about WHO is writing it.

      I suspect one of the reasons so many people are confused about the difference between content writing and copywriting has less to do with their actual understanding of the difference and more to do with their inability to even tell the difference between the good and the bad.

      That's what's happening in this forum.

      Dan S. Kennedy calls it "Marketing Incest," diluted, distorted and delusional theories being passed around from one enthusiastically ignorant marketer to another. Pretty soon, the whole damn genepool is cluttered up with this nonsense and people start thinking with that "well, everyone's doing it so this must be how it's done..." mentality.

      And when someone who actually knows what they're talking about speaks up, he, or she, is crapped on for being just another "d-bag copywriter." That's one reason this subforum got a reputation for being such a rough place.

      Just look at the responses to the critique requests over the past few months. For every one good critique, you have a half dozen or more people spewing out untested opinions like raw sewage oozing out of a busted sewer pipe.

      It's pathetic. On top of this, all that junk copywriting which works in the entrepreneurial sandbox of the WSO section, but becomes like gluten free pasta when you try to serve it up to a sophisticated customer who can actually afford to pay more than $9.99, just reinforces the distorted thinking process which is sending this forum right into the ****ter.

      Bottom line, everything you write should advance the customer towards some kind of decision. And EVERY decision you get your customer to make, including those which don't directly result in a cash-in-hand sale, will either advance a future sale or detract from it.

      This rule applies, not only to every piece of written or spoken communication a business puts out, but to every bit of marketing material created. The way you do this changes based on how early or late they are in the buying cycle, but it should always be the focus.

      Otherwise, WTF is the point?

      Hell, even fiction writers like Stephen King are "selling" the reader. They're selling them on reading the next page, then the next, then the next. Based on the discussions I see here and in the main forum, most cats on here are struggling because they don't get this.

      It's just the tip of a much bigger iceberg that holds most online marketers hostage to their own beliefs about how selling is done.

      It's not an event which takes place when someone lands on a 3,000 to 10,000 word sales page (or video) and buys a product they didn't even know existed 30 minutes before.

      It's not about having SEO writing in one neat little box, copywriting in another, blogging in another, email marketing in another etc.

      It's a process of creating a high perception of value, until the customer finally buys, and then sustaining or increasing that perception so they'll keep buying and keep referring. EVERYTHING you write needs to be a part of that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cam Connor
        Originally Posted by sethczerepak View Post

        Interesting topic, but funny how quickly it turns into semantic tap-dancing.

        This, in my opinion, is really all that matters...



        Calling something copywriting doesn't make it copywriting, and, depending on who writes it what some would call content writing is hundreds of times more persuasive than some of the cybersludge you see online these days. It's less about what's being written or for what purpose it's being written and more about WHO is writing it.

        I suspect one of the reasons so many people are confused about the difference between content writing and copywriting has less to do with their actual understanding of the difference and more to do with their inability to even tell the difference between the good and the bad.

        That's what's happening in this forum.

        Dan S. Kennedy calls it "Marketing Incest," diluted, distorted and delusional theories being passed around from one enthusiastically ignorant marketer to another. Pretty soon, the whole damn genepool is cluttered up with this nonsense and people start thinking with that "well, everyone's doing it so this must be how it's done..." mentality.

        And when someone who actually knows what they're talking about speaks up, he, or she, is crapped on for being just another "d-bag copywriter." That's one reason this subforum got a reputation for being such a rough place.

        Just look at the responses to the critique requests over the past few months. For every one good critique, you have a half dozen or more people spewing out untested opinions like raw sewage oozing out of a busted sewer pipe.

        It's pathetic. On top of this, all that junk copywriting which works in the entrepreneurial sandbox of the WSO section, but becomes like gluten free pasta when you try to serve it up to a sophisticated customer who can actually afford to pay more than $9.99, just reinforces the distorted thinking process which is sending this forum right into the ****ter.

        Bottom line, everything you write should advance the customer towards some kind of decision. And EVERY decision you get your customer to make, including those which don't directly result in a cash-in-hand sale, will either advance a future sale or detract from it.

        This rule applies, not only to every piece of written or spoken communication a business puts out, but to every bit of marketing material created. The way you do this changes based on how early or late they are in the buying cycle, but it should always be the focus.

        Otherwise, WTF is the point?

        Hell, even fiction writers like Stephen King are "selling" the reader. They're selling them on reading the next page, then the next, then the next. Based on the discussions I see here and in the main forum, most cats on here are struggling because they don't get this.

        It's just the tip of a much bigger iceberg that holds most online marketers hostage to their own beliefs about how selling is done.

        It's not an event which takes place when someone lands on a 3,000 to 10,000 word sales page (or video) and buys a product they didn't even know existed 30 minutes before.

        It's not about having SEO writing in one neat little box, copywriting in another, blogging in another, email marketing in another etc.

        It's a process of creating a high perception of value, until the customer finally buys, and then sustaining or increasing that perception so they'll keep buying and keep referring. EVERYTHING you write needs to be a part of that.
        Pretty epic rant, Seth.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
        Originally Posted by jjosephs View Post

        Content done incredibly well looks like copy.

        Copy done very poorly looks like content.
        We really could just leave it at that.

        But Seth peeled it back a little more...

        Originally Posted by sethczerepak View Post

        Calling something copywriting doesn't make it copywriting, and, depending on who writes it what some would call content writing is hundreds of times more persuasive than some of the cybersludge you see online these days. It's less about what's being written or for what purpose it's being written and more about WHO is writing it.
        Originally Posted by sethczerepak View Post

        It's not about having SEO writing in one neat little box, copywriting in another, blogging in another, email marketing in another etc.

        It's a process of creating a high perception of value, until the customer finally buys, and then sustaining or increasing that perception so they'll keep buying and keep referring. EVERYTHING you write needs to be a part of that.
        I give that an amen brotha.

        It's funny...

        I was thinking about this thread yesterday... when I remembered...

        My first first major success, as a product creator, didn't materialize because of direct response copy. It happened when I wrote a couple ebooks and wrote articles that were geared towards incredibly small niches (i.e. SEO.)

        I never paid for clicks. Every visitor that entered my websites got there from an article.

        And these articles didn't have any CTA's. None. I was just expressing my experience. By following that model, I made 6 figures in my very first year as an online marketer.

        I owe content marketing a lot of love.

        I also owe DR a lot of love.

        The bottom line is...

        Who cares what drives the sale? Seriously... who cares?

        Content that's written by a skilled copywriter (CTA or not) is still very much copy.

        Content that's written by someone who doesn't understand the psychology behind salesmanship can't inject emotion in ANYTHING.

        It's the person.

        If I understand that my job is to connect with people's emotions - no matter what style of writing I'm going after, even if I'm just offering information, the reader will FEEL it.

        There are SO many techniques I can apply to writing content that will positively trigger the reader - without needing a CTA.

        I don't think that. I know it. I've done it. Many times. I naturally did it - before I knew what the heck I was doing.

        That being said...

        Bad copy hurts to read.

        But reading bad content is like being tortured by The Machine in The Princess Bride; every sentence takes a year of your life away.

        Mark
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        • Profile picture of the author BudaBrit
          One of my bosses has an interesting take on this. He doesn't separate content from copy...because he says copy is simply another form of content. Which is the truth.

          Content writing is simply writing something that appears and is digested by someone out there, be they online, reading their mail or looking at the ad at the bus stop.

          At the moment, there is a big push by companies producing "how to" articles. The majority of those companies employ so called content writers to produce them and they get filler articles that sometimes get a positive answer.

          Some, however, are hiring copywriters and journalists.

          There is an ad I remember from university. It was for gravy granules. It was a plate of sausages and mash potato and steaming hot, thick onion gravy was poured over it. I always wanted bangers and mash after that.

          Now I understand the ad. I always thought it was crap because I never thought "I want bisto gravy". I didn't have to, though, they were already the No1 gravy granules. I just had to want gravy. When I went to the shop, I would pick up bisto. Not because they'd told me why bisto was the best for bangers and mash. Just because their product was associated with this "subliminally".

          That's what great content does.

          Originally Posted by splitTest View Post

          What do you say to people asking for critiques of their content writing anyway? The "right and wrong" is far less clear, because obviously with content, as long as it's engaging (or promotes SEO), it's all good. What do you do -- correct their grammar? (Yes, there are certain principles at work, but they're far fewer than with real copywriting.)
          Nothing can help most who post here. But usually the biggest changes in content are exactly the same as with copy: are you using the audience's language, have you used the right emotional triggers, etc. There's really no difference here.

          Originally Posted by splitTest View Post

          My objections would be:

          Content is more like art -- if it's good it's good, if it works, it works. Content can be anything from a slideshow to poetry in fact. What's to discuss?

          (Yes, there's a little "science" to it, eg. how to write an attractive headline and other SEO stuff... but not much...)
          I completely disagree. Content, in this sense, should be extremely tailored to the audience. It needs to be speaking directly to them just like an ad. There is a shed load of "science" behind it and as much research as for an ad or long form copy.
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          • Profile picture of the author splitTest
            Originally Posted by BudaBrit View Post

            I completely disagree. Content, in this sense, should be extremely tailored to the audience. It needs to be speaking directly to them just like an ad. There is a shed load of "science" behind it and as much research as for an ad or long form copy.
            So you mean all the articles about Kim Kardashian's butt all over the web aren't content? Content can be anything dude. Are you really arguing over the definition of "content"?

            ... And of course it should be extremely tailored to its audience, just like magazine articles, tv shows, poetry, music, etc. (Goes for pretty much anything you'd produce for an audience.) That doesn't mean it has as many rules and tricks as copywriting. It can be about Kim Kardashian's butt in fact.

            You say "in this sense". My point exactly. Content can be anything (and everything in between). Far fewer rules.
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            • Profile picture of the author BudaBrit
              Originally Posted by splitTest View Post

              So you mean all the articles about Kim Kardashian's butt all over the web aren't content? Content can be anything dude. Are you really arguing over the definition of "content"?

              ... And of course it should be extremely tailored to its audience, just like magazine articles, tv shows, poetry, music, etc. (Goes for pretty much anything you'd produce for an audience.) That doesn't mean it has as many rules and tricks as copywriting. It can be about Kim Kardashian's butt in fact.

              You say "in this sense". My point exactly. Content can be anything (and everything in between). Far fewer rules.
              We're not talking about the Kardashians, though. That's not content in this sense, it's journalism. Sure it's no expose on war crimes, but the aim is to drive readers to a publication that makes most of its revenue from advertising.

              I don't think they're quite the same and I've written both. You need to take a different approach: like the debate here on DR copy vs content.
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              • Profile picture of the author mrmouse
                Thanks for posting that Rick.

                This is probably going to sound blasphemous to many...

                The first time I read through a swipe of the great Gene Schwartz, there were two articles in the swiped image. They were side-by-side in the layout of the newspaper.

                Naturally, I read the one on the left first. While I read it, I became emotionally involved in the story.

                And thought to myself, "Self, I really should buy one of these in case of an emergency".

                And then I thought, "WOW! This Gene Schwartz guy really was brilliant. I can't believe all he did was tell a simple little story like that and made me want to buy. I didn't even feel like I read a sales pitch at all!".

                Well, that's when I realized that Gene's Ad was actually on the right side of the page. And it wasn't nearly as persuasive as the article I had just read IMO.

                Perhaps that is blasphemy, but that's the reaction it got out of me

                What I learned from that is, "use what works" to sell. Don't worry about doing what everyone else says you're supposed to do.

                Granted, you need to master the game of selling before you attempt to create a new way to sell.

                My 2 cents...
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        • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
          Originally Posted by Mark Pescetti View Post

          Bad copy hurts to read.

          But reading bad content is like being tortured by The Machine in The Princess Bride; every sentence takes a year of your life away.

          Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author splitTest
      Originally Posted by jjosephs View Post

      Looks like the Content Borg have arrived! Here is their greeting:

      Message to All Copywriters

      I've always hated the word content. It's the corporate speak version of saying "stuff inside a thing". Charging alot for content is hard without an established name. You can charge alot for a bigger branding strategy which content fits into. But let's be real, any positioning obstacles facing a copywriter are 10X for someone calling themselves a content writer.

      Yes, content overlaps with copy at the rare extremes of ability. But content writing, like the word content is an empty vessel. It doesn't have underlying principles oriented toward a particular goal. Is it to inform? Is to relate? Is it sell? All the above? Can all these things be measured reliably?

      Which is why I consider this pre-merger to be somewhat irresponsible. The quantity and amount of maneuvering required to make content imitate the effect and efficiency of direct response strikes me as not worth the effort.

      Of course, more clients understand "content" than "copy" now, so I understand using the term for communications sake. But among those who know better, they are not and will never be the same thing.

      Content done incredibly well looks like copy.

      Copy done very poorly looks like content.
      Excellent insights.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by shawnlebrun View Post

      Traditional marketing and advertising is telling the world you're a rock star. Content marketing is showing the world that you are one.
      Note that he says "content marketing" not "content writing". So we're still talking copywriting (as I see it) with a new name.

      Basically content marketing is the art of communicating with your customers and prospects without selling
      Well you are - but its a sneak attack.
      It is noninterruptive marketing. Instead of pitching your products or services you are delivering information that makes your buyers more intelligent or perhaps entertaining them to build an emotional connection.
      Who's the master at this? Kern - in my opinion.
      The essence of this strategy is the belief that if we, as businesses, deliver consistent, ongoing valuable information, to buyers, they ultimately reward us with their business.
      Yeah - reciprocity (a word I always have trouble saying).

      Thank you Shawn. Good stuff. Now I must get back to my content marketing.

      Funnily enough...I've been saying this stuff to a client recently. He just didn't get it. Three times I threw in the towel before he came around... and now he's going to kill it.
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      • Profile picture of the author shawnlebrun
        Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

        Well you are - but its a sneak attack. Who's the master at this? Kern - in my opinion. Yeah - reciprocity (a word I always have trouble saying).
        Mal, talk about hitting the nail on the head. This entire time reading the post, I was thinking Kern... because of his "Mass Conversion" launch based off of Ogilvy ads!

        I totally agree with your "sneak attack" phrase... because REALLY good content marketing can make the sale for you without "selling" per se.

        Most amateur salespeople think selling is PUSHING people to make a decision that may not be in their best interest. And because of that... most amateurs feel there's a certain level of "hype" needed in a sales presentation.

        An amateur sales person will look at a piece of content marketing and think "nah, there's not enough sizzle here... it won't sell the steak"

        Meanwhile, a PRO copywriter can read a piece of content marketing and think "Wow, this is a GREAT steak that will sell itself... no sizzle needed because it's EXACTLY WHAT the prospect wanted.

        Most amateurs think of selling as a "win-lose" proposition in which the seller is trying to get the prospect to part with his money any way possible.

        Pro sales people know that true selling is helping the prospect get what they want... what they're ALREADY MOTIVATED to do.

        GREAT sales people simply try to show the prospect how to get what he/she is already motivated to WANT to get... and shows that person how to get it easier, faster, more effectively/more affordable.

        GREAT content marketing can sell for you because you can use it to add value, inform
        about benefits and reason why, and cover most everything a typical sales letter would cover.
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        • Profile picture of the author OutOfThisWord
          No matter what you call it, you still have to make sales.

          You have to make the sale to get a reader's attention.

          You have to make a sale to get the reader to continue reading.

          And then you have to make the other sales you need whether its to get the reader to come back at another time, share the 'content' - whatever.
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        • Profile picture of the author splitTest
          Originally Posted by shawnlebrun View Post

          GREAT content marketing can sell for you because you can use it to add value, inform
          about benefits and reason why, and cover most everything a typical sales letter would cover.
          ...and let's not forget one of the biggest advantages content has over straight ads: if you're lucky, it goes viral...
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  • Profile picture of the author joe golfer
    Content marketing is a powerful tool because with the right structure it not only helps to turn prospects into new customers, it keeps selling clients to new levels of investment in your products and services. It takes a lot of effort to get the right content in place, and you have to keep fine-tuning it with different media (videos, infographics, etc.), but once started it is always there, upselling, cross-selling and building deeper relationships.
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  • Profile picture of the author shawnlebrun
    To throw another thing out there...

    I was looking through some of the magalogs I have collected from Gary Bencivenga, Clayton Makepeace, Carline Anglade-Cole, and a few others.

    Those 40 to 80 page magalogs are chock full of great content marketing... I think a lot of those magalogs weave a perfect blend of content that sells and flat out asking for the sale with a more traditional copy format.
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  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    I want to make sure my intention is clear.

    I'm NOT saying copywriters should jump on the content marketing bandwagon any more than they should jump on the VSL bandwagon, or the branding bandwagon, or the social media bandwagon, or anything else.

    If it can work for the campaign better than something else, do it. If it doesn't, don't.

    I think the decision to use and/or write content is a strategic one, depending upon many different factors.

    In my case, it's often one of necessity.

    The social media advertising networks are strongly discouraging links to direct response ads. People "dislike" them.

    As a result, I'm frequently requested to write native ads and article lander "interstitials" that are highly engaging, educational/informative which encourage people to click through to the direct response piece using some sort of an integrated or subtle CTA.

    If these go viral, that's a HUGE bonus. I've had a few of those. Not many, but a few.

    These types of content pieces sound easy to write. They often sound like "good to know" fluff pieces. You think you can just whip them out.

    You can. But what makes them difficult to write is they must generate profitable business. There must be a profitable ROI.

    There's a lot of pressure.

    When writing article landers, I'll normally write three to five articles, sometimes more, knowing full well only one will convert profitably against cold traffic. I never know which one. I like them all, I research the heck out of them all, but I just can't predict.

    I do know this: Having clear, informative content is not enough. The message --> market --> media match has to be extremely tight/aligned/relevant to each other.

    Otherwise, no matter how good the Client may think the piece is, it's a dud.

    Honestly, I've had a lot of duds, trying to figure it all out. A string of winners, but lots of duds. Those who understand know you learn more from the failures than from the successes, so it's all good in the end.

    The frustrating part is it seems just when I have a tiger by the tail, they increase the CPC.

    And just like that, they're unprofitable.

    Wanna know what's even worse?

    I'll take on a project on spec to increase conversions 25% or more against cold traffic (meaning I guarantee a 25% boost in conversions before I start getting paid royalities). Then sometimes when I do, the advertising network either changes their terms of service so that my tactics I used are now verboten or they'll ratchet up the CPC to make me go away.

    Kind of a bummer. Because now, they've raised the bar and I have to figure it all out again.

    That's just my experience.

    It's just a small sliver of experience related to content marketing. But it's the most stressful. It's the one I have least control over.

    But it's one where I can access massive amounts of leverage and test very quickly. There's incredible upside if you've got the chops. (AND the stomach to deal with the inevitable duds.)

    My biggest piece of advice? Try lots of stuff. Don't get attached to one thing.

    You just never know what will work.

    I created this thread because I believe the Merrill Lynch ad reveals several things which may be helpful as it applies to integrating content with direct response copywriting. I've shared a few things I've learned here.

    Obviously, I'm far from the final word on the subject of content marketing. Probably like you, I'm on the hunt for what works.

    - Rick Duris

    PS: I appreciate everyone's contribution to this thread.
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