Is Copywriting the most important aspect of Marketing?

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What do the Copywriters say?

You always hear how important marketing is for a business.

Marketing consultants will use the formula just add 10% to your prospects, just add 10 % to your frequency, just add 10% to your price, just add 10%....etc...

But from how I see it....please add your comments, criticism and contributions...

Copywriting sits pretty high up on the list of things that can be done to seriously influence success in every area.

Is Copywriting the most important aspect of Marketing?

If you're trying to send traffic...it's the message in the copy.

If you're trying to convert traffic....it's the message in the copy.

If you're trying to communicate...It's the message in the copy.

We are all told to split-test things on the page.

Split test Headlines, Colors, Videos...everything....but really

...does all marketing live and die with the copy?

Thoughts please.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
    Those selling copywriting books, courses, and coaching often claim copywriting is the most important.

    But in real life, what purpose does it serve to rank it?

    To effectively sell a product or service you need all three...
    1. An irresistible offer
    2. Targeted traffic
    3. Sales copy that converts
    Alex
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    • Profile picture of the author BudaBrit
      Originally Posted by Alex Cohen View Post

      Those selling copywriting books, courses, and coaching often claim copywriting is the most important.

      But in real life, what purpose does it serve to rank it?

      To effectively sell a product or service you need all three...
      1. An irresistible offer
      2. Targeted traffic
      3. Sales copy that converts
      Alex
      And in order to get all 3, you need top notch research.
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      • Profile picture of the author splitTest
        1.**Product**
        2. List/Audience/Frequency
        3. Offer
        4. (a somewhat distant 4) Copy
        5. (a distant 5) Graphics

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        • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
          Originally Posted by splitTest View Post

          1.**Product**
          2. List/Audience/Frequency
          3. Offer
          4. (a somewhat distant 4) Copy
          5. (a distant 5) Graphics

          I guess with this list maybe many people get it wrong because they work in reverse order.
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        • Profile picture of the author Cam Connor
          Originally Posted by splitTest View Post

          1.**Product**
          2. List/Audience/Frequency
          3. Offer
          4. (a somewhat distant 4) Copy
          5. (a distant 5) Graphics

          Product and offer go hand in hand. And what is #2? And Copy, a somewhat distance 4th? Dude, you're killin me.
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          • Profile picture of the author splitTest
            Originally Posted by Cam Connor View Post

            Product and offer go hand in hand. And what is #2? And Copy, a somewhat distance 4th? Dude, you're killin me.
            1. Product --
            Since you can't sell sand in the desert, or ice to the eskimos... Gotta have something your market is gonna want.

            2. Offer --
            buy my widget, get a free doohickey when you order by jan. 15... Or buy one widget, get the second one free... Or order my widget for 15% off now thru thursday... Or order by Jan. 15 and your widget comes with an autographed pic of cam connor... Use it for 15 days ... etc.etc. ...

            Not sure what you mean by product and offer go hand in hand. Product is pretty much set, offer is obviously what you make it... Just like product is pretty much set & copy is what you make it. Do product and copy also go "hand in hand?" Not sure what you're getting at...

            Dealer sells the same cars, tests different offers in different commercials...

            Sure, you can "offer" just the product: "Buy my widget, the best of the best...", but in copywriting the definition of "offer" is the combo of product plus some other perk designed to trigger quick response (and/or reverse risk)...

            3. List/Audience/Frequency --
            You can't sell sand in the desert, or ice to the eskimos... Gotta have the right target market...

            Do those three well (product/offer/list) and all you have to do is clearly communicate. You don't need a fancy copywriter for that. That's why copy is a somewhat distant fourth... It can enhance, but it's not number 1, 2, or 3. Without 1, 2, 3, copy is feeble.

            Raydal put it well:

            Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

            Poor copy can sell a great product but great copy would not sell
            a poor product...


            ...nor a poor offer ("I want a honda, but not at 50% apr")... Nor a poor list (see desert/eskimo analogy)...
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    • Profile picture of the author Slade556
      Originally Posted by Alex Cohen View Post

      1. An irresistible offer
      2. Targeted traffic
      3. Sales copy that converts
      These are perfect! I can't see anyone becoming successful without all of these combined.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    No. Copy is definitely not he most important aspect of marketing.
    Poor copy can sell a great product but great copy would not sell
    a poor product. In other words the product/offer stands as most
    important.

    Now of course you can LIE in your copy about a poor product,
    but it would eventually backfire.

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    • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      No. Copy is definitely not he most important aspect of marketing.
      Poor copy can sell a great product but great copy would not sell
      a poor product. In other words the product/offer stands as most
      important.

      Now of course you can LIE in your copy about a poor product,
      but it would eventually backfire.

      -Ray Edwards
      Thanks Ray,

      Would you say then that to be considered successful in writing copy you should be very selective about the products you write copy for?

      If you were offered a contract that was attractive would you do research before accepting the contract or how would you decide that the product was a "dud" before you accepted the work?
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      • Profile picture of the author Raydal
        Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

        Thanks Ray,

        Would you say then that to be considered successful in writing copy you should be very selective about the products you write copy for?

        If you were offered a contract that was attractive would you do research before accepting the contract or how would you decide that the product was a "dud" before you accepted the work?
        For sure. I recall that when I first started offering my copywriting services
        many moona ago I would get projects where I didn't feel they deserved
        my great copywriting skills. The products were subpar, but I needed the
        money. Bills had to be paid. And then it all backfires because the copy
        sells but the refund rate backs the owner into a corner and soon the
        product is pulled from the market.

        Guess what happens to that testimonial you got from the client? It means
        nothing now because there is no website to show.

        So if I don't feel that a product is of high enough quality I refuse the job,
        or at least tell the client that quality needs to improve in order to be
        competitive in that market.

        PLUS, it HARD to write for a poor product and EASY to write for
        a quality product.

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  • Profile picture of the author ThePromotionalGuy
    Oziboomer,

    Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

    Is Copywriting the most important aspect of Marketing?
    No. Getting paid is the most important aspect in marketing.

    Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

    ...does all marketing live and die with the copy?
    No. Marketing lives or dies from results.
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Originally Posted by ThePromotionalGuy View Post

      Oziboomer,


      No. Marketing lives or dies from results.
      In one media channel, the biggest spenders and most
      frequent advertisers are not direct response ads.

      The few direct response ads aren't repeated nearly as much.

      Trying to convert the non direct response advertisers into
      direct response would be foolish for the reps.

      In this channel the opposite to what you say applies.

      Best,
      Doctor E. Vile
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  • Profile picture of the author totalyrecycled12
    In most cases you need the copy to be reasonable or good but is you are promoting a crappy product then no matter how good your copy it wont sell or it will just end up giving you a kick in the behind by bad reputation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
    There seems to be a trend here towards saying the product is the most important thing to consider and various other aspects pushing copy down a list to where it plays a minor role.

    I'd like to put forward a couple of simple scenarios to discuss.

    1. Brand Name Coffee ( or any other commodity)

    Irresistible offer - 70% off. Limit 3 per customer

    List or buyers - the hundreds of supermarket shoppers passing the dump bin.

    Copy = Wow...Look Nescafe 70% off. Get your fix now at Costco

    2. Fishing Lure

    Irresistible Offer Buy 3 get one free.

    List is Mad Keen fishermen reading fishing monthly

    Copy - New Rapala Bass Crushing Deep Dive Shad out fishes all other lures. Used by Daniel Brackley, Team Shimano to Clean up at the World Bass championships. You can flesh this out.

    Where I'm going with this is that people keep putting product as most or at the very least of very high importance when it comes to marketing.

    I think the product is THE PRODUCT.

    I think marketing is something done to SELL the Product

    But in the above scenarios the Instant coffee buyer (not coffee machine user) would probably buy three jars of coffee and just use them as normal and may get some satisfaction that the coffee was cheap and they probably wouldn't fault the product.

    In the fishing example the buyer would get a few of these great lures and there would be a high percentage that through incompetence, bad luck, getting snagged, choosing a bad day to go fishing or possibly even catching fish, but they were less than impressive, that they then formed a negative impression of the product.

    In the fishing example the copy could be great as could the perceived quality of the product so is the fisherman saying having caught no fish or had a poor result that the product is bad?

    I don't know whether I've nailed my point here but in relation to IM products you see a lot of compelling copy to buy and people do buy, but then through lack of commitment or focus to apply what they have learned, they fail.

    In these failing examples you would say that the product is probably "dud" but marketers using all methods at their disposal to convince consumers to buy continue to sell the products and their success at selling is maybe due to having flattering copy.

    Where is this judgement in the copywriter that the product is bad and I'm not going to write the copy.

    I suspect the BEST copywriters are sometimes producing the best copy for some of the most SUSPECT products due to the fact that it is PAID WORK and...

    ...is it really up to the copywriter to determine the quality of the product they have to write for?
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    • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
      Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

      There seems to be a trend here towards saying the product is the most important thing to consider and various other aspects pushing copy down a list to where it plays a minor role.

      I'd like to put forward a couple of simple scenarios to discuss.

      1. Brand Name Coffee ( or any other commodity)

      Irresistible offer - 70% off. Limit 3 per customer

      List or buyers - the hundreds of supermarket shoppers passing the dump bin.

      Copy = Wow...Look Nescafe 70% off. Get your fix now at Costco
      That only works because you've picked a quality product. Sure, some people would go for an unnamed, untested brand simply because it's cheap. But if it tastes like shit, you'll watch sales plummet as the word spreads. Start with a quality product.

      Plus, Costco has its own reputation to maintain. It's known for treating its workers well, paying living wages, and carrying quality products at bulk prices. Oh, and a killer ******* return policy.

      If the product sucked, how long do you think it'd be before Costco yanked it? They're not going to sell shit just to make more money. Some will, Costco won't.

      2. Fishing Lure

      Irresistible Offer Buy 3 get one free.

      List is Mad Keen fishermen reading fishing monthly

      Copy - New Rapala Bass Crushing Deep Dive Shad out fishes all other lures. Used by Daniel Brackley, Team Shimano to Clean up at the World Bass championships. You can flesh this out.

      Where I'm going with this is that people keep putting product as most or at the very least of very high importance when it comes to marketing.

      I think the product is THE PRODUCT.

      I think marketing is something done to SELL the Product
      To a certain extent, you're right. Again, you don't have to work as hard to sell a QUALITY product. People try it. They use it. They tell others about it. They tell the internet/Amazon about it.

      And if you think Marketing is only the selling of the product, you need to brush up on your Ps:

      Product
      Placement
      Pricing
      Positioning

      ALL of these are components of something that is well marketed. The point the others have been making is that you start with a poor product or an absurd price or position it in a shitty way, all the money and sales copy you throw at it WILL NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE and will in fact be wasted time and effort.

      Think I'm wrong? Check out some wildly successful and insanely recognizable products that were once used (and marketed) for something else entirely.


      I don't know whether I've nailed my point here but in relation to IM products you see a lot of compelling copy to buy and people do buy, but then through lack of commitment or focus to apply what they have learned, they fail.

      In these failing examples you would say that the product is probably "dud" but marketers using all methods at their disposal to convince consumers to buy continue to sell the products and their success at selling is maybe due to having flattering copy.

      Where is this judgement in the copywriter that the product is bad and I'm not going to write the copy.

      I suspect the BEST copywriters are sometimes producing the best copy for some of the most SUSPECT products due to the fact that it is PAID WORK and...

      ...is it really up to the copywriter to determine the quality of the product they have to write for?
      The answer is it depends. Corporate copywriters such as myself really don't pick and choose which products they sell. Others in the building buy the product and set the price - I just work with what I'm given. When I was a freelancer, I absolutely, positively DID make a judgment call on whether a product or service was bad.

      Consider this: horrible product + great salesperson = snake oil
      Great product + horrible salesperson = slow sales, but not necessarily bankruptcy

      And to pile on further:
      Great product + great salesperson + horrible and/or inexperienced vendor unable to handle production or demand = sales disaster

      There are SO MANY FACTORS other than copy at play in any given promotion. I love what I do, man. But I'm not going to claim it's the most important part of any sales funnel or marketing mix. ALL of it is the most important part. It either works together or it fails.
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      • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
        Originally Posted by angiecolee View Post

        Great product + great salesperson + horrible and/or inexperienced vendor unable to handle production or demand = sales disaster

        There are SO MANY FACTORS other than copy at play in any given promotion. I love what I do, man. But I'm not going to claim it's the most important part of any sales funnel or marketing mix. ALL of it is the most important part. It either works together or it fails.
        Thanks Angie for taking the time to provide great advice.

        I often encounter the great product + great salesperson + horrible vendor unable to handle production or demand = sales disaster.

        It is not usually that the vendor is horrible because we often have ongoing relationships with our suppliers.

        But what tends to happen is a particular product line might become very popular amongst a number of retailers and the wholesaler or importer ends up mis reading the market and out of stock for a period of time. In many cases 6-8 weeks because of delays further up the supply chain.

        Or another example is only having skeleton staff on because they predict sales would be slow post Christmas and guess what? Sales aren't slow but they end up missing out on the business because of inability to service the demand.

        I agree wholeheartedly with your statement

        Originally Posted by angiecolee View Post

        ALL of it is the most important part. It either works together or it fails.
        I think many people who are trying to go into business whatever the niche and whether online or offline don't pay enough attention to getting all the components working together and they either fail or just give up.
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  • Profile picture of the author smoor2012
    Quite a few different opinions in here, but yes, I think copywriting is hugely important in marketing something.

    The trick within the copywriting is the research you do and knowing who will be buying, and how long or short to make the copy itself while describing the benefits.

    In my mind, copywriting is your most important skill to learn online, and your email list is the most important asset. They both go hand in hand.

    I don't pretend to be any expert, by any means, but if you know what the product will do for the people who are going to be buying, then you can write solid copy that will sell. You have to know how to promote the benefits in the copy.

    Just my two cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author quadagon
    Great question and some interesting answers.

    For me copy is important but its just a cog in the machine an important cog but a cog no less. What does it benefit me if I have the best copy but no traffic? What benefit is 7.2 million vegans reading my copy about blue t bone steaks? What does it benefit me if my steaks are aged only 3 days from old cattle.

    I guess its why its often called the marketing mix.
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  • Profile picture of the author turboshandy
    I don't know if copywriting the most important aspect of marketing, but it surely is one of the most important aspects. I think copywriting is what really makes a product sell.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    I'm surprised no one has mentioned

    How To Hire A Copywriter - by Kevin Halbert

    That's the go-to guide I give everyone who asks.

    In my experience, The List (who you get to look at your copy) is more important than the copy. Poor copy to a good list can generate excellent results. Fantastic copy to a group of people who are just not a fit won't convert.
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      No.

      A starving crowd is.

      Is there really more debate?

      Best,
      Doctor E. Vile
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      I'm surprised no one has mentioned

      How To Hire A Copywriter - by Kevin Halbert

      That's the go-to guide I give everyone who asks.
      It's a marketing piece.

      The author educates and establishes the buying criteria... and then issues a call to action at the end.

      Alex
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  • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
    So as I perceive from the responses....

    Product
    Placement
    Pricing
    Positioning
    Plus

    A starving crowd is.
    Gotta have the right target market...
    With

    top notch research
    and a sprinkling of

    Sales copy that converts
    is the most important aspect of marketing.

    Are there any more extra things I've missed in this summation?
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  • Profile picture of the author Leadsupply
    It is true that copy writing is an important aspect of marketing but I don't think it is the most important aspect of marketing.
    These are the importance of copy writing in marketing.
    1.Most of your competitors ignore or underestimate the importance of writing great copy 2.The majority of copy, once formed may be used hundreds if not thousands of times – you get a great bang for your buck vs. other short-run expenses such as a TV promotion or banner ad placement agreement
    3. Every company needs great copy, no $1M companies operate without sale letters, email blasts, newsletters, or written communications of some type
    4. If done right you can lower your refund rate and increase potential cross and upsells by connecting directly with the fears, needs, and goals of your clients
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    • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
      Originally Posted by Leadsupply View Post

      It is true that copy writing is an important aspect of marketing but I don't think it is the most important aspect of marketing.
      These are the importance of copy writing in marketing.
      1.Most of your competitors ignore or underestimate the importance of writing great copy 2.The majority of copy, once formed may be used hundreds if not thousands of times - you get a great bang for your buck vs. other short-run expenses such as a TV promotion or banner ad placement agreement
      3. Every company needs great copy, no $1M companies operate without sale letters, email blasts, newsletters, or written communications of some type
      4. If done right you can lower your refund rate and increase potential cross and upsells by connecting directly with the fears, needs, and goals of your clients
      This response makes NO sense.
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