Upping The Price of Guitar Lessons

by pdrs
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Hey Copywriters,

I'm a guitar teacher in my other life, and I've recently been offered a dozen or so new students from another local teacher who is getting out of the business (got a job in the school system which is awesome for him).

The thing is, he charges $30 an hour, and I'm used to charging $40 an hour.

I have 20 years experience and a masters degree in guitar performance and from the research I've done I'm in line with other similarly skilled teachers in the area.

The kink in the pipe is that I'm brand new to town, only been here about a month so I don't have any sort of student base built up yet... so that's really the problem.

Do I drop my price so that I can guarantee I grab as many of these students as possible.

Or do I keep my price, and if so (here's the copywriting bit), how do I sell it in an email?
#guitar #lessons #price #upping
  • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
    Ask him how many years he has been at $30 per hour.

    If he has been 5 or more years, then use the following, as it has worked for me
    [template, that is] over hundreds of clients over many years.

    "{Name} your guitar lessons are now $40 per hour. This is the first time in [number of years]
    there has been a price increase. You'll still receive the same level of tuition and care as with [last tutor].
    Let me know if this won't work for you.
    [sign off]"

    Best,
    Doctor E. Vile
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Do I drop my price so that I can guarantee I grab as many of these students as possible.
    How many students paying $40/hr do you CURRENTLY have in this new location?

    If the answer is "none" - I'd suggest an upbeat and welcoming to the students being sent your way by the other teacher. Tell them you've always charged $40 but because they will be your first students you will reduce the fee to $35/hr. (Or give them $30 for the first 3-6 months).

    I'd reduce my fee to get the students and give myself time to build up my own clientele. If the students like you they will pay the higher fee to stay on later. It's not often you'll have someone funnel several music students to you - I'd take advantage of it.

    An email of "hi, I'm new and charge 25% more" could be a deal breaker. The question becomes - how badly do you need these students?
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    • Offer 3 packages.

      Price points $30 - $45 - $75

      With 20 years of experience I'm confident you can put together tiered programs.

      For $30 you get X

      For $45 you get XXX

      For $75 you get XXXXX

      This should get you thinking.

      Remember you are bringing a different dynamic to the table.
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      • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
        Let me give some reasons why this works in my last post.

        If you've read the book Influence, you'll recall
        the tests where a reason why a request was made.

        Some reason why's were very flimsy, but still worked
        for compliance.

        Hence it's the first price increase in x years.

        There's reassurance about the level of service being delivered,
        very important. Change is not what customers want.
        When I sold my 4 companies I reassured my clients that there will be no interruption to service,
        same method of payment, prices and days of service so it became a smooth transition for
        the clients and new owner. I built into the sale agreement that clients will stick,
        which got a premium sale price for those companies.

        And finally they still fill in control by asking them if it won't work for them.
        That's a very important and subtle language pattern.

        It's extremely hard for people to say the simple word no to others,
        other than their young children, therefore the easiest thing is to
        agree..

        Yet at the same time that option feels they have control
        of the situation. Not giving people a sense of control
        can cause a negative reaction.

        Yes, there is some very deep psychology gone into those few lines.

        I've proven they work to consumers as well as to businesses.
        Just did it back in May for my business that sells paper for POS machines.

        Best,
        Doctor E. Vile
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  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    The endorsement you get from the other person WILL BE KEY to the student's decision to pay more.

    Let the other guitar teacher do the talking for you. Basically what he should say on your behalf is "He may cost a bit more, but he's worth it. You're worth it. Your guitar training and future as a professional musician are worth it. Here's why..."

    Anything you do, other than be a great guitar teacher, will screw up the deal.

    There's an old saying I use regularly: "You can't paint a halo around your own head."

    So let the other guitar teacher do it for you.

    You just have to sit back, shut up and do your best job you can do, proving by implication the other guitar teacher was right.

    PS: If this line of thinking feels right to you, let me know and I can expound further. But I've given you the basics of the strategy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Rick makes good points and the key to charging more is to position yourself as an instructor for advanced guitar students. That's common but may not apply when someone is sending you his students.

      As someone who took lessons for 14 years and paid for my kids lessons, too, I know the times that I moved to a new instructor were when I needed more advanced techniques. I moved on from the neighborhood lady to the music teach at school to a university professor with a PhD - each time the fees went up considerably as did the level of instruction.

      If you want to "tier" payments you could have beginning and advanced rates but you can only teach as much as the student is capable of. You would have to decide where students "place" in the tiers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
    A quick qualification...my mom a retired University lecturer...still teaches piano to several students a week and she is in her late 70's.

    The going rate as per the Music teachers association of NSW in Australia is $80 per hour and $110 per hour for group tuition of 3-6 students Teaching Fees - 2015 - Music Teachers Association of NSW

    Now a few things to consider in addition to the excellent responses that precede this one and no doubt the ones that follow...

    Maybe do what the food companies do on a regular basis which is change the packaging.

    If the $30 was a barrier to a student could the package be changes to 45 minutes for the $30?

    Could a student who might be price sensitive combined into a class with another similar individual at $25 each per hour yielding $50 return to you.

    Not that I'm suggesting a lower price but you can always have that option if it appealed.

    The other thing is to quote a recognised music teachers association like I did earlier in this post and show that the "going rate" is actually $25-30 for 30 minutes and you are competitively priced at $40 for an hour.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brock Poling
      You've got some good advice here...

      But I will throw my .02 in the ring.

      ABSOLUTELY NOT! -- Don't lower your prices.

      I'd position your product around these points
      • Finally, this town has a Great Guitar Teacher
      • Oh, anybody can talk but check out what my STUDENTS say about me
      • You can get cheap, or you can get someone who teach you in a way that'll allow you to learn fast, have fun, and progress faster than you ever imagined
      • You want to get the most out of this... so I'm the clear choice.

      I wouldn't be arrogant, but fun and funny about it, while at the same time confident and secure in your way of doing business.

      $40 isn't too much to ask if you're delivering the goods.

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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        Do you know why the other teacher charged $30?

        I think you should start there. Once you understand the good (or poor) reasons behind the $30, you'd be in a better position to choose how to ask for more.

        By the way, you speak about your background but you say nothing about the background of the other teacher. Are you the more advanced one, musically? guitarily?

        If yes, how you say it makes a lot of difference.

        Kids, kids, kids. I've got 85% more skills than your old teacher. But I'm not greedy, I'll charge you only 33% a month.
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  • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
    Originally Posted by pdrs View Post

    Hey Copywriters,

    I'm a guitar teacher in my other life, and I've recently been offered a dozen or so new students from another local teacher who is getting out of the business (got a job in the school system which is awesome for him).

    The thing is, he charges $30 an hour, and I'm used to charging $40 an hour.

    I have 20 years experience and a masters degree in guitar performance and from the research I've done I'm in line with other similarly skilled teachers in the area.

    The kink in the pipe is that I'm brand new to town, only been here about a month so I don't have any sort of student base built up yet... so that's really the problem.

    Do I drop my price so that I can guarantee I grab as many of these students as possible.

    Or do I keep my price, and if so (here's the copywriting bit), how do I sell it in an email?
    Teaching music lessons, mainly guitar, was where I first discovered by copywriting skills. I was renting a private studio in a school where I was the ONLY person who didn't have a doctor's or master's degree in music. Hell, I was still working on my 4 year degree. But I managed to get paid the same amount per hour as most of the other teachers because I learned to market myself as a specialist instead of a generalist.

    I targeted college age kids who wanted to either learn rock or blues guitar or pianists/songwriters and/or singers who wanted to become better songwriters. I had plenty of originals written. I was studying music composition, I'd gotten my start playing in rock bands...and I had long hair and drank beer.

    Meanwhile, the other two guitar teachers, both doctors, had spent decades noodling around with classical finger picking pieces. They had written no original pieces and showed up to work in dockers and polo shirts every day.

    Who do you think a 24 year old, long-haired, classic rock lovin' young guitarist or aspiring young songwriter would rather work with?

    Market for the rate you want, but DO NOT lower your rates. You'll be forced to keep charging them to your "old" students" long after you've managed to attract new students at a higher rate. Identify a specific demographic and music style which you excel at working with. Position yourself as a specialist for that demographic and for teaching that style.

    Chances are, everyone else is just taking any student who will pay them and advertising themselves to attract "anyone." That's a big marketing no-no, but most of them will never learn that. They'll just lean on their reputation and/or degree.

    Use that to your advantage. Trust me, the people who match your demographic AND who want to learn the specific style you're teaching will get it. They'll choose to learn from someone who "gets" them and who "gets" the kind of music they're into.

    NEVER underestimate the power of affinity. And don't lower your hourly rate to compete with someone else just because they've put in more time warming a chair at chamber of commerce meetings.
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  • Profile picture of the author jessegilbert
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    I could probably write the copy for this, for the emails.

    Maybe you could position yourself as the most expensive guitar teacher in town.

    You could almost definitely keep the 40 probably charge more even if you wanted.

    If I were to write the copy for this, I would tell a story around it, because as you wrote here, stories about guitar players and money can be interesting, you could teach them one of the most important things about music early on as a free start.

    I may sound a bit cynical, but I've found music and art comes down to money as much as anything, that's part of the reason why I personally got into copywriting instead of poetry or music, where someone else would be doing the marketing.



    Originally Posted by pdrs View Post

    Hey Copywriters,

    I'm a guitar teacher in my other life, and I've recently been offered a dozen or so new students from another local teacher who is getting out of the business (got a job in the school system which is awesome for him).

    The thing is, he charges $30 an hour, and I'm used to charging $40 an hour.

    I have 20 years experience and a masters degree in guitar performance and from the research I've done I'm in line with other similarly skilled teachers in the area.

    The kink in the pipe is that I'm brand new to town, only been here about a month so I don't have any sort of student base built up yet... so that's really the problem.

    Do I drop my price so that I can guarantee I grab as many of these students as possible.

    Or do I keep my price, and if so (here's the copywriting bit), how do I sell it in an email?
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    • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
      Originally Posted by jessegilbert View Post


      If I were to write the copy for this, I would tell a story around it, because as you wrote here, stories about guitar players and money can be interesting, you could teach them one of the most important things about music early on as a free start.

      I may sound a bit cynical, but I've found music and art comes down to money as much as anything, that's part of the reason why I personally got into copywriting instead of poetry or music, where someone else would be doing the marketing.
      This ^ is why people who haven't got a clue about a target market (or about copywriting) should not be advising others on this forum.

      NO musican (or artist, or poet) gets into it for the money. Even those who want to get rich and famous. And ESPECIALLY not guitar players. They do it because they love the craft and they want the worship of their fans.

      If they genuinely believe that you're a fellow craftsman and that you can help them become the next Jimi Hendrix...or Eric Clapton, John Petrucci, Eddie Van Halen, Yngwie Malmsteen or Andres Segovia...or just the dude at the party who draws crowds whenever he gets his guitar out, they'll flock to you.

      But telling "stories about guitar players and money," will be a dead giveaway that you don't really understand them or what they want. They'll see you as a "sellout," who doesn't respect the craft.
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  • Allow circumstance to slash your ass, and you'll never shit straight again.

    Shit on opportunity, and your ass shits nuthin'.

    So you lead with the 'I'm a $40 a throw guy' — because you ARE.

    But you figure also that no one likes change, no one likes a hike, no one likes an easy deal schwumped, so you see HOW SHITTY THEY'RE GONNA FEEL if you ME ME ME on the deal, even though THE DEAL IS ALREADY $$$ SEALED.

    So, offer $30 for a month, leading up front with where you currently stand in this oscillatory $$$ wonderworld.

    That way, the comers will come, and if you're truly a $40 guy, they'll see you're worth it when the month done with your SPECIAL ATTENTION is over.

    Any guys sniffin' their old teacher's pants, you ditch. Ditto the quibblers, same as on your current $40 deal.

    And if bucks are realy a problem to some guy you see is desperate, then you already had courage to set your own rates, so make with the one-off discount.

    Best I can do with morphin' an old existence into a new existence without forcing Principle and Opportunity to rip the heck out of one another.
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  • Profile picture of the author pdrs
    Thanks a million to everyone who took the time to respond, some really good food for thought here and I don't think there is any question that I need to stick at $40.

    I'm basing it on a few things, but it's exactly what the other most popular school in town is charging, and if I don't start out at $40 i'll be fighting with it from the start. Also, someone asked about the qualifications of the other teacher and while he is a good guitar player (i don't really know how he is as a teacher), I have more education (masters vs bachelors) more teaching experience in years, and not to brag but I can play circles around him (which actually isn't all that important when it comes to teaching but I had to throw it in there).

    Love the idea of letting him do the selling for me, as well as a few of the other ideas here, the idea of wording it with them in control ala ewenmack makes sense to me from a marketing perspective definitely.

    Anyways, it's all in the works now, I'll let you know how it goes !
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Originally Posted by pdrs View Post

      as well as a few of the other ideas here, the idea of wording it with them in control ala ewenmack makes sense to me from a marketing perspective definitely.
      Just had a Skype message from a friend
      thanking me for that little formula because it worked in
      his situation.

      Best,
      Dr E,. Vile
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  • Profile picture of the author jessegilbert
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    $40 isn't even that much honestly. I've contacted teachers who want $50 or more per hour and they were booked to the point that they weren't even fighting to get me to sign up (though the instructor had played with Hendrix and the Doors).

    It's a lot perception of quality or 'fame' by association, and if you can knock a learning curve off as well as help the student in other aspects of their music career, like marketing, which could help them reach fame or recognition in a more effective way then you could probably charge way more and it would actually be worth it.

    This is my opinion anyways...from someone who wanted to be a musician and then found out that probably as much as talent, the marketing plays a huge role in the success of the musician. You know this though, that is why you are here

    Also, to get more for your time, you could probably hunt through some good products online at sites like Clickbank for example for information and digital products... and if you really believe in them, recommend them as a purchase via a wordpress blog for affiliate commission.

    You could probably recommend a new one every week even as a 'sifting through and testing products' fee and encourage, even require them buy your recommendations if it is legal.

    For one example, beats collections for them to play rhythm guitar to, music marketing resources, studio set up instructions and tips etc...

    With a better marketing system, getting the equivalent of at least $100 per hour seems very possible.
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