Attention Veteran Copywriters - A Mission For You

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Dear Veteran Copywriters,

I say this with the utmost respect and in the theme of a film which you are probably quite familiar with.

Your mission should you choose to accept it...

...is to read the brief below and explain to the best of your ability how you would go about achieving the objective.

The Client

A leading health supplement manufacturer and health publisher (cannot be disclosed at this moment)

The Brief

To beat the existing control for a selection of our top supplements (cannot be disclosed at this moment but feel free to take an educated guess)

The Compensation

1. UPDATE: For the person who offers the most valuable advice, I will share my top lead generation method that has helped me land offers of a full time Copywriting job worth $50,000 which I turned down and another offer from a well known multi-million dollar client. How much could this be worth to you?

2. To go down in the Warrior Forum Halls Of Fame as The Copywriter to give the most useful advice on the task above and be recognized as a true expert in their field (on top of the great amount of expertise you already possess of course).

3. To have potential clients flocking to you from all parts of the world and have your diaries filled for the rest of 2016 (if this works out well).

Additional Info


I know the information I've given is a but vague but this adds to the challenge. This is an actual project which I cannot reveal the exact details of but in a general sense if you were faced with a task like the one described, how would you go about beating a control for a health supplement.

I know there have been a few competitions in this section over the years like the one for Agora, a few dating products, some email writing competitions and in some cases some unknown copywriters beat some of the veterans.

It's been a while since there was a Copywriting competition of any kind so this is a mission and an opportunity for the veterans to shine once again, to relive those golden moments of glory and bask in the Warrior Halls Of Fame once again, not to mention the led generation method I'm offering.

I look forward to your responses.
#attention #copywriters #mission #veteran
  • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
    So....those competitions actually had something more at stake than copywriting glory.

    I know. I won one of them.

    If all that's at stake is WF glory, I've got client work to do. That pays.
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    • Originally Posted by angiecolee View Post

      So....those competitions actually had something more at stake than copywriting glory.

      I know. I won one of them.

      If all that's at stake is WF glory, I've got client work to do. That pays.
      Ker-chwaaaaaang.

      Kwa-choooooooong.

      KKKRR-chiiiiiiieeeeeeenGGG.

      Gotta love a power chord.
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    • Profile picture of the author mustafavanancio
      Originally Posted by angiecolee View Post

      So....those competitions actually had something more at stake than copywriting glory.

      I know. I won one of them.

      If all that's at stake is WF glory, I've got client work to do. That pays.
      Cool!

      But what if this task got you even more better paying clients than you already have?

      Imagine your diaries being booked for the rest of the year...

      No more having to chase after mirages...

      No more problem clients etc. etc.
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      • Originally Posted by mustafavanancio View Post

        Cool!

        But what if this task got you even more better paying clients than you already have?

        Imagine your diaries being booked for the rest of the year...

        No more having to chase after mirages...

        No more problem clients etc. etc.
        Hey, only problem I got right now is a patcha dry skin on onea my strawbos, which I figure is a delayed reaction to swankin' out on too many mince pies over the festive season.

        I got no idea how this works, but I guess if I had snacked out on more ham an' such, I woulda been spared the shame of breakin' out my yardbrush on the insidea my cursed bra cup, an' afforded the luxury of makin' with alla the Ben & Jerrys down my throat insteada smoothin' the f*cker medicinally onto my New Year Sahareolar.

        But hey, this deal sounds so cool I figure you gotta get in there yourself.

        Since when did Katy Perry offer Firework to 'the other gals' - or even Justin frickin' Buboe?
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      • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
        Originally Posted by mustafavanancio View Post

        Cool!

        But what if this task got you even more better paying clients than you already have?

        Imagine your diaries being booked for the rest of the year...

        No more having to chase after mirages...

        No more problem clients etc. etc.
        How exactly does this achieve that?

        You're making some mighty big promises without a whole lot of proof elements.
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        • Profile picture of the author mustafavanancio
          Originally Posted by angiecolee View Post

          How exactly does this achieve that?

          You're making some mighty big promises without a whole lot of proof elements.
          Ok you're right.

          Please allow me to explain...

          The reason I made the OP was because I was asking for some help with this.

          Instead of posting it in the usual way I tried to make it a bit humorous and different but it seems I failed at that so maybe I'll try the standard request format in the future.

          I do apologize if it came across any other way than it was intended. I did say at the beginning of my OP that ," I say this with the utmost of respect...". I hope that counts for something.

          I have written a control in the past for a high value service that ran for a while bringing in work for the client consistently until the client decided to change businesses. The testimonial of that work is in my signature.

          For this particular job I have studied the copy which are some VSLs and there are some gaps I identified which I could work on.

          One thing I noticed is that for a health supplement the VSL control was plain text against a white background and a voiceover. I was surprised at this because I remember Vin Montello saying on one of his webinars that the health niche is a visual niche and I thought that this VSL could do with some video footage with a medical expert looking actor doing the presenting or better still, the actual researcher for the product could do it.

          Also they are not using any testimonials in their VSLs which I found a bit strange because that is a proof element that is pretty much standard in the health niche.

          The other thing I noticed is that they are using future pacing a lot focusing on the benefits but they weren't agitating the problems enough. That needed a bit more work.

          UPDATE: For the person who offers the most valuable advice, I will share my top lead generation method that has helped me land offers of a full time Copywriting job worth $50,000 which I turned down and another offer from a well known multi million dollar client . How much could this be worth to you?
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          • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
            Originally Posted by mustafavanancio View Post

            UPDATE: For the person who offers the most valuable advice, I will share my top lead generation method that has helped me land offers of a full time Copywriting job worth $50,000 which I turned down and another offer from a well known multi million dollar client . How much could this be worth to you?
            Is that $50K weekly, monthly, annually or lifetime?

            The problem with putting out numbers like that is the serious players are I'm sure making some healthy living or definitely living healthy so $50K....might help to pay the tax bill but as Angie pointed out earlier without some proof and a point of reference it could be all pie in the sky.
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            • Profile picture of the author mustafavanancio
              Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

              Is that $50K weekly, monthly, annually or lifetime?

              The problem with putting out numbers like that is the serious players are I'm sure making some healthy living or definitely living healthy so $50K....might help to pay the tax bill but as Angie pointed out earlier without some proof and a point of reference it could be all pie in the sky.
              That is $50,000 per annum.

              That was just one of the two offers I've received in the last month alone. The other client is a dream client. The best part of it is that I'm hardly making any effort to attract these clients. It's all about being in the right place at the right time.

              I'm not saying people have to limit themselves to a $50,000 job but what I'm offering you is the source of these leads which almost anyone can use to generate similar quality leads. You are free to negotiate any fees and any working arrangements whether it is full time or freelance with the clients.

              If someone like me can achieve these kind of leads then imagine what a veteran copywriter could achieve using the source I'm using.

              In order to main a competitive edge for the winning copywriter full proof of one of these job offers along with the source of these high quality leads and my method can be provided to them at the end of the competition.

              I know this is very short notice but the deadline is 3PM EST / 8PM GMT today . You can either PM me or post up your entry on this thread.

              I cannot post the proof for everyone to see, because the branding that is contained within the proof would give away the source of the leads and it would reduce the exclusivity and value of the source if everyone was to know about it. It's almost like I would be giving a prize to every entrant in the competition. That would not make sense. The prize can only go the winner.

              Just think about the potential lifetime value of what I'm offering.

              I assure you this is a completely genuine offer.
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      • Originally Posted by mustafavanancio View Post

        But what if this task got you even more better paying clients than you already have?
        Wow copy writing slang.

        I'm disqualified...
        ...I only want...
        ...more better...
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        • Profile picture of the author mustafavanancio
          Originally Posted by ThePromotionalGuy View Post

          Wow copy writing slang.

          I'm disqualified...
          ...I only want...
          ...more better...
          Depends on how you interpret it.

          More = quantity

          Better = quality

          I was referring to both.

          There's a Copywriter by the name of Ben Settle who makes typos all the time but he's still considered one of the best email marketing experts in the world.
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      • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
        Originally Posted by mustafavanancio View Post

        Cool!

        But what if this task got you even more better paying clients than you already have?

        Imagine your diaries being booked for the rest of the year...

        No more having to chase after mirages...

        No more problem clients etc. etc.
        And by the way - you can't POSSIBLY promise these things. It's completely unrealistic.
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        • Originally Posted by angiecolee View Post

          And by the way - you can't POSSIBLY promise these things. It's completely unrealistic.

          That there's a phrase you could apply to many pieces of copy! (excluding anything written by the esteemed members of this forum of course)...


          Steve

          (as in Steve The "Esteemed" Copywriter)
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        • Profile picture of the author mustafavanancio
          Originally Posted by angiecolee View Post

          And by the way - you can't POSSIBLY promise these things. It's completely unrealistic.
          You're right.

          That part was said whilst still in humour mode. It wasn't intended to be real although not impossible in reality for some fortunate people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Gould
    Sounds like you want someone to do your work for you.

    Trying to frame it as anything other than a request for help comes across as manipulative.

    The people here who can help you aren't stupid, so don't treat them as if they are.
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    • Profile picture of the author mustafavanancio
      Originally Posted by Andrew Gould View Post

      Sounds like you want someone to do your work for you.

      Trying to frame it as anything other than a request for help comes across as manipulative.

      The people here who can help you aren't stupid, so don't treat them as if they are.
      Thank you Andrew.

      That's very kind of you.

      I was attempting to dress my request up with a bit of humour and light heartedness but unfortunately it was interpreted as manipulative instead.

      Sorry if it came across that way.

      Right at the beginning of the OP I said, " I say this with the utmost of respect..."
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  • I had a long night hammering away on the old Olivetti (so there's no misunderstanding that's a typewriter to all the high tech crew).

    So I might be missing the point...

    Why not rework the control and bump up the results yourself.

    And as a separate gig sell the lead gen thing?


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author mustafavanancio
      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      I had a long night hammering away on the old Olivitti (so there's no misunderstanding that's a typewriter to all the high tech crew).

      So I might be missing the point...

      Why not rework the control and bump up the results yourself.

      And as a separate gig sell the lead gen thing?

      Steve
      I do plan on reworking the control myself but since I've only been writing for 3.5 years now I thought I'd ask for some help from some of the seasoned veterans.

      I have some ideas of my own on how to improve it but just wanted to get some of the experienced copywriter's perspectives on it.

      Just to clarify, I'm just asking for general advice on how someone would go about beating a control in very competitive health niche.

      As mentioned above I cannot reveal the control in question as the client has approached me about it but I would appreciate any advice in a general way if that is possible.

      The lead gen method is too valuable to be sold right now. I'd only be willing to share it with one person.
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    • Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      I had a long night hammering away on the old Olivetti (so there's no misunderstanding that's a typewriter to all the high tech crew).
      Ha!

      I feel the kiss of appropriately deployed apostrophes 'pon phantom vellum.
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  • Alright, here's the most valuable advice to beat any control.

    You have to persuade the Supreme Court that your product is the VERY best (if you don't - they'll ban you from copywriting for 25 years, take away all your gadgets, refuse you access to paper, pens and ink and just in case you manage to transcribe anything they'll keep breaking your fingers).

    So how would you persuade them?

    With categoric, undeniable conclusive evidence.

    Proof it, proof it again and then again.

    Medical proof, scientific proof, manufacturing proof, self evident proof, case study proof etc etc.

    And have 7 true and trusted, honest and decent people - who have genuinely used the "product" give their written or preferably filmed testimonial that it absolutely DID work for them.


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author mustafavanancio
      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      Alright, here's the most valuable advice to beat any control.

      You have to persuade the Supreme Court that your product is the VERY best (if you don't - they'll ban you from copywriting for 25 years, take away all your gadgets, refuse you access to paper, pens and ink and just in case you manage to transcribe anything they'll keep breaking your fingers).

      So how would you persuade them?

      With categoric, undeniable conclusive evidence.

      Proof it, proof it again and then again.

      Medical proof, scientific proof, manufacturing proof, self evident proof, case study proof etc etc.

      And have 7 true and trusted, honest and decent people - who have genuinely used the "product" give their written or preferably filmed testimonial that it absolutely DID work for them.

      Steve
      Thank you Steve.

      That's very helpful. I appreciate you taking the time to do that.

      Nice sense of humour btw.

      I will definitely look in those things.
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  • Yes indeed, it is the best paper to catch the ink on.


    Steve
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  • There is another highly intricate and unusual option.

    I do need need to keep this secret so I'll whisper…

    Given time, money, and the right copy techniques from 1,707,797 alternatives you can always beat at the control and then beat that one and on and on it goes…(wow an extra 4.76% here, and look another 2.9%. Oops that was - 7.21% not to worry here's a 3.73% boost…).

    But, If a promo is doing well - stop tinkering about with it (yes, do the usual - test the headlines, the subheads and the offer) and when you've got those right - stop messing. At least for a while.

    Instead aim the canons and fire more traffic at it.

    You'll usually get much better and faster results than constantly changing the copy.


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author mustafavanancio
      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      There is another highly intricate and unusual option.

      I do need need to keep this secret so I'll whisper...

      Given time, money, and the right copy techniques from 1,707,797 alternatives you can always beat at the control and then beat that one and on and on it goes...(wow an extra 4.76% here, and look another 2.9%. Oops that was - 7.21% not to worry here's a 3.73% boost...).

      But, If a promo is doing well - stop tinkering about with it (yes, do the usual - test the headlines, the subheads and the offer) and when you've got those right - stop messing. At least for a while.

      Instead aim the canons and fire more traffic at it.

      You'll usually get much better and faster results than constantly changing the copy.


      Steve
      Ok thanks again.

      I will keep that in mind as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      Instead aim the canons and fire more traffic at it.
      There's a deadline ??

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  • Just so I know how many new ribbons to buy for the old Olivetti...

    Is that $50,000 or $100,000 of new business?

    I should say vitamin promotions are not my thing…in the copywriters attic it's strong coffee, single malt and nicotine that keeps me going.

    Plus 2 trips a day to "Kate's Delicious All Day Diner" (she'll kill me dead if I said "greasy spoon cafe") - for a fry up in the morning and a steak in the evening.


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author mustafavanancio
      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      Just so I know how many new ribbons to buy for the old Olivetti...

      Is that $50,000 or $100,000 of new business?

      I should say vitamin promotions are not my thing…in the copywriters attic it's strong coffee, single malt and nicotine that keeps me going.

      Plus 2 trips a day to "Kate's Delicious All Day Diner" (she'll kill me dead if I said "greasy spoon cafe") - for a fry up in the morning and a steak in the evening.

      Steve
      The very first job I was contacted about was going for £35,000 / $50,000. It was office based.

      The other one is freelance. At the moment I'm not sure how much it is worth as the details still need to be discussed but this one is an ideal client.

      Just to clarify again, which I believe I explained clearly earlier but I'll say it again just to make it crystal clear, I will offer the source of my leads which you are free to use as you like to attract as many ideal clients as you want. There's no limit on what you can earn.

      I am not offering a guaranteed job of any kind but that's not to say you won't find the kind of clients I've found.

      Since the veterans here have many years of experience advantage over me I don't see why you should not be able to land multiple ideal clients from this source as much as you need.

      I'll tell you what I did to attract these clients which can be in any niche you want. You will then have to do a bit of work to reel them in.
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      • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
        Originally Posted by mustafavanancio View Post


        Since the veterans here have many years of experience advantage over me I don't see why you should not be able to land multiple ideal clients from this source as much as you need.

        I'll tell you what I did to attract these clients which can be in any niche you want. You will then have to do a bit of work to reel them in.
        Here's your disconnect. You're not talking to who you think you're talking to.

        I don't really need the secret to attracting clients. I've been studying this and taking action for awhile. If you had something DIFFERENT from what I'm doing that could bring in better paying clients who are easy to work with? I'd perk up.

        But here's the thing - in telling me that you can get me better paying clients, you're making certain assumptions about my current income level and clients. How correct are you?

        In case my point is being missed:

        Your positioning is speaking to newbs.

        Your words are speaking to vets.

        I don't need what you're offering, therefore it's a moot point for me to participate.

        And newbs may not have the info you need to beat controls, because most of them will not have done that just yet.

        But they MAY learn (along with you) how to do it if you ask for pointers.

        I'd advise you to watch your messaging.
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  • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
    Next time, I highly recommend just asking a question and not trying to be overly clever.

    It backfires in copy, and it backfires when you make a personal request because you wind up obscuring the real reason you're reaching out and coming across as disingenuous.

    I think you'll get a lot more legit help if you come out, hat in hand, prepared to hear some real advice.

    The client you have may very well be ready to offer me a job tomorrow. But the fact remains that I don't buy it. It's not a motivator for me. And frankly, I can't help with medical stuff anyway - it's not my forte. But we do have some amazingly talented people in this forum that have worked extensively in health/supplements/pharma and probably could help.

    So just ask them.
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    • Profile picture of the author mustafavanancio
      Originally Posted by angiecolee View Post

      Next time, I highly recommend just asking a question and not trying to be overly clever.

      It backfires in copy, and it backfires when you make a personal request because you wind up obscuring the real reason you're reaching out and coming across as disingenuous.

      I think you'll get a lot more legit help if you come out, hat in hand, prepared to hear some real advice.

      The client you have may very well be ready to offer me a job tomorrow. But the fact remains that I don't buy it. It's not a motivator for me. And frankly, I can't help with medical stuff anyway - it's not my forte. But we do have some amazingly talented people in this forum that have worked extensively in health/supplements/pharma and probably could help.

      So just ask them.
      I'll keep that in mind. Thanks

      The winner will be able to verify my claims after the deadline ends.
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  • I got no problem with typos, an' I gotta say, I love Steve's suggestion for firin' off canons.

    Buncha priests, blasted aloft by catapults — man, that would be some unholy kinda carpet bombin' initiative.

    Point is, I guess, typos can always be fixed later, an' like unintended scientific discoveries, occasionally a mistake is more illoominatin' than what shoulda happened.
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    • Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      I got no problem with typos, an' I gotta say, I love Steve's suggestion for firin' off canons.

      Buncha priests, blasted aloft by catapults — man, that would be some unholy kinda carpet bombin' initiative.

      Point is, I guess, typos can always be fixed later, an' like unintended scientific discoveries, occasionally a mistake is more illoominatin' than what shoulda happened.

      Copywriting is a precarious game.

      Can you see the damage you can cause by missing out the letter "n"


      Steve

      (Steve, just go back and edit it. Nooo it's too late. The Princess clocked it. And if I do change it this f****** post won't make any sense)
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      • Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

        Copywriting is a precarious game.

        Can you see the damage you can cause by missing out the letter "n"


        Steve

        (Steve, just go back and edit it. Nooo it's too late. The Princess clocked it. And if I do change it this f****** post won't make any sense)
        Truly, I am mortified.

        But, hey - I had the word 'siege' misspelled in my profile for 3 months.

        Dorko!
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  • Profile picture of the author mustafavanancio
    Thanks everyone for your input.

    I understand that this niche is not something everyone has experience in or was interested in so that's fair enough.

    I have taken on board your comments and apologize for any unclear language which came across whilst trying to be a little humorous.

    Since Steve is the only person to respond he is the winner.

    Congratulations!

    I will be contacting him with details of what I offered.
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  • Wow! - thank you so much.

    But others may need the material far more than me (and I know it is limited to just one copy).

    Could you choose (or ask) someone who is actively looking for clients.

    So, they get the benefit.

    Thanks again.


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
      Steve,

      Do you mind reporting back to us later on what you have actually "won" here?

      The whole thing seems like a put-on to me.

      Thanks,
      Marcia Yudkin
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  • Marcia,

    I can't - because I'll never know (see thread 37).


    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author mustafavanancio
    Just wanted to update you on this.

    I have sent Steve the proof that I mentioned and I have asked him to confirm that I sent it to him. I have asked him to keep it entirely private and confidential and good, bad or indifferent I have asked him NOT to comment on it.

    Steve has chosen to donate his prize to someone more worthy.

    According to his request I will share my method with one newbie copywriter who I feel would benefit from it.

    To enter be in with a chance of winning all you have to do is email:

    wfcompetition [at] gmail dot com - (replace [at] with @)

    - Please email me your full name
    - A link to your website, blog or social network profile where I can verify your identity (and that you are indeed a newbie)
    - Tell me a bit about yourself and some good reasons why I should pick you - This is a chance to use your Copywriting skills.
    - You must agree not to share this method with anyone, ever.

    I will pick the entry that I feel would benefit most from it in 24 hours from now.
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    • Originally Posted by mustafavanancio View Post

      Steve has chosen to donate his prize to someone more worthy.
      No disrespect to Steve (who I kinda like) or yourself (before whom I have proffered the red rag of screamy) but you've now set the value of your "prize" all kinda weird.

      I understand how exclusivity works — but how many more people you gonna recruit as naysayers to convince the resta us we are sublimely in the cruiso minority of Successo Whammo?

      Our muscle boosting program was DISSED (REAL KINDA KINDA) by *Arnie*, *that Conor McGregor icon of flexispunk* — an' even *Madonna tryin' to spasm herself stoopid with pseudophalli almost too big to fit her spread-open cunnivance*!

      Everyone, everyone, everyone has said NO to this program!

      That makes you SUPER SPECIAL right now, 'cos hey — you may just be the ONE to say YEEEEEEES!!!!!


      Tellya, if this offer is SO FRICKIN' GOOD, jus' make with the selfish an' cut the resta us outta the loop.

      I do not seek the heights of progressively diminishin' promisorial magnitudes.

      Bolt turns to Blake on the 2012 Olympic podium, an sez, "hey, I want you have the gold medal, 'cos what do I care? Figure you deserve it, pal."
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      • Profile picture of the author marleymae
        Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

        No disrespect to Steve (who I kinda like) or yourself (before whom I have proffered the red rag of screamy) but you've now set the value of your "prize" all kinda weird.

        I understand how exclusivity works -- but how many more people you gonna recruit as naysayers to convince the resta us we are sublimely in the cruiso minority of Successo Whammo?

        Our muscle boosting program was DISSED (REAL KINDA KINDA) by *Arnie*, *that Conor McGregor icon of flexispunk* -- an' even *Madonna tryin' to spasm herself stoopid with pseudophalli almost too big to fit her spread-open cunnivance*!

        Everyone, everyone, everyone has said NO to this program!

        That makes you SUPER SPECIAL right now, 'cos hey -- you may just be the ONE to say YEEEEEEES!!!!!


        Tellya, if this offer is SO FRICKIN' GOOD, jus' make with the selfish an' cut the resta us outta the loop.

        I do not seek the heights of progressively diminishin' promisorial magnitudes.

        Bolt turns to Blake on the 2012 Olympic podium, an sez, "hey, I want you have the gold medal, 'cos what do I care? Figure you deserve it, pal."
        Very well stated!
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  • Profile picture of the author mustafavanancio
    With all due respect, all the people who commented on this thread with the exception of Steve didn't even qualify for the offer so it's not like they had the choice in the first place.

    The other thing is I'm surprised to see people commenting as spokespeople for the respected veterans when the veterans are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves.
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    • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
      Originally Posted by mustafavanancio View Post

      With all due respect, all the people who commented on this thread with the exception of Steve didn't even qualify for the offer so it's not like they had the choice in the first place.
      This self-disqualification or self- identification is an important part in the profiling of your target market.

      I like that you quickly disqualified the non-prospects.

      One thing I question in this thread is the use of scarcity when there are scarce numbers of viewers and respondents to this section of the forum.

      Heck...give it a month or two...maybe an eternity and you might elicit a response (if you're lucky) from the contributors who once made this the place to watch and frequent often.
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      • Profile picture of the author mustafavanancio
        Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

        This self-disqualification or self- identification is an important part in the profiling of your target market.

        I like that you quickly disqualified the non-prospects.

        One thing I question in this thread is the use of scarcity when there are scarce numbers of viewers and respondents to this section of the forum.

        Heck...give it a month or two...maybe an eternity and you might elicit a response (if you're lucky) from the contributors who once made this the place to watch and frequent often.
        Out of the people that responded, only 1 person offered some advice which clearly qualified them.

        Out of the others, one made an incorrect assumption about me and the other disqualified herself as she said the health niche wasn't her forte. Another person hardly makes any sense anywhere unless she makes a real effort.

        The others did not indicate their interest at any point so I don't think I rushed to disqualify anyone.

        As for the scarcity, despite the fact that the regulars in this section of the forum are few, it doesn't stop people in the other sections from viewing the threads here. Many people do this.

        There are some really big time Copywriters and Marketers who still visit the Warrior Forum from time to time. Although they don't comment in the forum very often they do talk about what goes on here on other platforms and it's not always in a positive light. Want to take a guess why?

        So I don't always look at the numbers from this section alone. I look at the numbers in a different way.

        This offer is not for everyone and I am fine with that.

        If no one is interested I'm fine with that too.

        I'm just following Steve's instructions.
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  • Originally Posted by mustafavanancio View Post

    With all due respect, all the people who commented on this thread with the exception of Steve didn't even qualify for the offer so it's not like they had the choice in the first place.

    The other thing is I'm surprised to see people commenting as spokespeople for the respected veterans when the veterans are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves.
    I do not know where to begin.

    So I will crank up my Yogic "Wailin' Dolphins" CD, an' figure some way of communin' with my fellow mammals.

    Jus'



    gotta




    get my legs straight here...


    Tellya, I do not enjoy assumin' no kinda position, especially when I figure I set the dolphin wailin' CD too darned quiet, an' I either gotta get up outta my contortion or subject myself to diminished aquatic melody for the duration of the unwindful mindful.

    But I am meditatin' now on veteranicity, feelin' for its buzz like an aura gonna shake my panties offa my butt — even though I got 'em fixed safe on the semi-prone gravitational lockdown of a weirdo squat.

    Point is: you got who you got, an' they said what they thunk, an' the dangliture of your offer now kinda flails like a petulant bucket in a well nexta a mirage oasis.

    Is currently the thingo.

    Or — I am a dumbo.

    Laid out all slumbo.

    Aquatically numbo.

    Which, yeah, I kinda ambo.

    But there is sumthin' comfortably allurin' about dolphin wailin'.

    It is tuneful, suggests all wonders gonna come true, an' deep down in the anatomy, there is a functional elegance to the dilatory action of the widegapo blowholes.
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    Lightin' fuses is for blowin' stuff togethah.

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  • Profile picture of the author mustafavanancio
    This doesn't really concern you so I'm not sure why you're even bothering to comment.

    I'm going to stop responding to you because you hardly ever make any sense anyway.
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  • They do sound like they're having fun, but those singing dolphins are upsetting the cat.

    And the rules and regulations of the "competition" are upsetting everyone except me.

    Mustafa, can you confirm that the 24 timer IS ticking?

    "The Following Competition Takes Place Between…."

    Don't be too surprised if Jack Bauer loses all patience jumps in early grabs the prize and that'll be an end to it.


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author mustafavanancio
      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      They do sound like they're having fun, but those singing dolphins are upsetting the cat.

      And the rules and regulations of the "competition" are upsetting everyone except me.

      Mustafa, can you confirm that the 24 timer IS ticking?

      "The Following Competition Takes Place Between…."

      Don't be too surprised if Jack Bauer loses all patience jumps in early grabs the prize and that'll be an end to it.


      Steve
      Yes I confirm that the timer began ticking from the time I posted the message as per your instructions.

      Starting 5.50am EST or 10.50am GMT ending at the same time tomorrow.
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