is it true that ' there is no such thing as bad publicity' ?

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There is a fine line between being respectful and offensive to one's point of view and in advertisement it can either lead to effective marketing or a lot of trouble. As they say that one man's controversial idea is another man's offensive idea. Sometimes resorting to provocative campaigns are totally worthwhile if they help you to increase your sales and establish a sustainable brand name in the market. But does that only work for big corporations like Apple, Coca-cola to take risks like these? Can small brands or startups consider such tactics for their advertisement plan as well without destroying their amateur brand legacy?

These intriguing questions always pop up in my mind and I think that whether is it a good idea to create advertisements that are beautiful and genuine to attract customers which has a greater possibility of going flat with minimum response from the market or to go for calculated controversial ad campaign against your competitor to gain a lot of public attention?

I would love to know your opinion on this topic and your point of view regarding the path you think is more worthwhile for your ad campaign .

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  • Profile picture of the author neshaword
    I think that most of the guys here will tell you that's not true, although deep inside we think otherwise. Just look what is going on in the cyber world. Whatever you do it is better to make people talk about you, than is to be ignored. In the world of marketing this is a death sentence. What is happening with the ethical concerns? Who cares, as long as the people are clicking and sharing like crazy. Right?
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    • Profile picture of the author marktman571
      Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

      I think that most of the guys here will tell you that's not true, although deep inside we think otherwise. Just look what is going on in the cyber world. Whatever you do it is better to make people talk about you, than is to be ignored. In the world of marketing this is a death sentence. What is happening with the ethical concerns? Who cares, as long as the people are clicking and sharing like crazy. Right?
      You couldn't have said it better. From business point of view, marketing your brand sometimes require breaking some ethical barriers to get that attention we all crave for. But deep down inside we don't really feel like doing it. Did you ever come across situations like this where you downgrade your competitor through controversial advertisements to squeeze some business from the market? I know I have!!
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  • Profile picture of the author attackdome
    Kim Kardashian proved that there is no such thing as bad publicity.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
      Originally Posted by attackdome View Post

      Kim Kardashian proved that there is no such thing as bad publicity.
      Unless maybe you're Bill Clinton, eh?

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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Jeffels
      Originally Posted by attackdome View Post

      Kim Kardashian proved that there is no such thing as bad publicity.
      Jared Fogle proved there is such a thing as bad publicity.


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      • Profile picture of the author attackdome
        He still got major publicity tho and there's always someone who makes huge money from a certain story. Good or bad. People want to read about scandals and shocking things that's what news networks are after and that's how they make their money.

        No one really wants to hear about something omething lame and boring like "there was grass in the 13th century" or "people didn't use electricity in the 3rd century" or "my first whiffle ball bat."

        That's why there are many wildly successful movies and shows about "bad publicity" like The Wolf of Wall Street, Catch Me If You Can, Spotlight, American Greed, Keeping Up With the Kardashians, Goodfellas, etc.

        Or even songs like... Friday by Rebecca Black or Never Gonna Give You Up which turned into a viral sensation even though people hated getting Rick Rolled. Someone always makes a lot of money by promoting these embarrasing and bad things even if it manages to mess up another persons reputation or their own.

        As Trump said, "IT'S FREE PUBLICITY." Nobody knows who the other guys are because they have no publicity good or bad.
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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Jeffels
          Originally Posted by attackdome View Post

          He still got major publicity tho and there's always someone who makes huge money from a certain story.
          He still got major publicity? Ya, as an admitted child sex predator. Ruined subway restaurants multi-million dollar ad campaigns, but more importantly destroyed peoples lives.

          Still got major publicity. Ok, then.

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        • Profile picture of the author dburk
          Originally Posted by attackdome View Post

          He still got major publicity tho and there's always someone who makes huge money from a certain story. Good or bad. People want to read about scandals and shocking things that's what news networks are after and that's how they make their money.

          No one really wants to hear about something omething lame and boring like "there was grass in the 13th century" or "people didn't use electricity in the 3rd century" or "my first whiffle ball bat."

          That's why there are many wildly successful movies and shows about "bad publicity" like The Wolf of Wall Street, Catch Me If You Can, Spotlight, American Greed, Keeping Up With the Kardashians, Goodfellas, etc.

          Or even songs like... Friday by Rebecca Black or Never Gonna Give You Up which turned into a viral sensation even though people hated getting Rick Rolled. Someone always makes a lot of money by promoting these embarrasing and bad things even if it manages to mess up another persons reputation or their own.

          As Trump said, "IT'S FREE PUBLICITY." Nobody knows who the other guys are because they have no publicity good or bad.
          Hi attackdome,

          That is true to a point.

          Good publicity is great,

          Bad publicity for one entity can result in good publicity for another. And in some situations like a book author, or a reality TV celebrity, selling a story to a target market segment that is looking for an interesting story, bad publicity for that person can be good publicity for the commercial enterprise that is selling the story.

          It truly matters that the publicity be good for the brand, not bad.

          Trump's strategy was about getting the main stream media to talk about him by covering his bold and often controversial statements. The main stream media is in the business of publishing bad news, so they naturally covered it as bad news. However, Trump's core message was contained with the controversial statements, and delivered over and over by the media.

          The media realized he was manipulating them, using them to deliver his message to the masses, but they couldn't help themselves from publishing it since it was so effective at selling their publications. And even though the media has made every effort to reframe his statements to hide or distort his true message, the core message still got through and had the desired effect on his targeted audience. He was using the media as a vehicle to deliver his campaign messages to the masses.

          Trump definitely uses controversy to sell his statements to his target market, the media. And he has cleverly encapsulated a second level of messaging that is intended to target the masses. It's a very risking strategy, but he was already an expert at selling controversy because he has been a long time in the Reality TV business. Very few people can pull off what he has done, It has been an exceptional strategy.

          Trump is currently in a dead heat with his opponent despite having been outspent 20 to 1 on political ads. So it would be hard to argue that his strategy has not been effective. It's great for getting exposure, but the content of the message is what does all the work of selling people. Was he able to get the right message through, or was it distorted beyond recognition? That's the risk in using controversy to deliver your message.

          Trump's strategy has obviously worked very well for the primary election campaign for his party nomination. He generated more votes than any Republican candidate in history, by a very large margin. It has worked well enough to get an average of more than 100,000 people to watch each of his rallies this month, often with more than 20,000 people in onsite attendance at each venue. It was a clever strategy to combat an extreme media bias, certainly effective, but was it effective enough? In 2 weeks we will know if it worked well enough for the General election campaign. Either way, it is an excellent example of using controversy as a marketing vehicle for his message.

          He was just tailoring the message to appear in the only format that the media would publish it. If you look at his paid advertising it is much less controversial and relies purely on making bold, value-centric messaging.
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          • Profile picture of the author attackdome
            I got his autograph lol. I paid $37 for it right before the nomination and it went up to $399+ already.
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            • Profile picture of the author dburk
              Originally Posted by attackdome View Post

              I got his autograph lol. I paid $37 for it right before the nomination and it went up to $399+ already.
              So, you must be wondering, do I sell it now, before the election, in case he loses, or do I take a flyer and hold on to see if he wins the general election?

              I assume it will go up in value if he ends up becoming the most powerful man on the planet. But if he loses, it might drop in value, right?
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              • Profile picture of the author attackdome
                Maybe. I had a Trump board game and it went down in value for some time, but now it's up in value. (Bought it for $5) so I guess it depends on the time it is sold. Who knows he might run again if he loses (probably not), then again Clinton ran again and she became the dem nominee. Her autograph also went up in value but I didn't think she would win so I didn't get it
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by attackdome View Post

      Kim Kardashian proved that there is no such thing as bad publicity.
      Hi attackdome,

      Whether something is good, or bad, is related to your intended goal.

      Kim Kardashian, is in the celebrity business. She is famous for being famous. Her brand image is literally based on bad things happening to famous people. What you call "bad publicity" is her intended product. She's in the business of selling bad news. What you call "bad publicity" is actually the best publicity for her brand.

      Bad publicity for her brand image would be her becoming a meek, devoutly moral and decent human being. That would destroy her carefully crafted brand image and absolutely ruin her business.

      So yeah, even for Kardashian there is definitely a type of publicity that is bad.

      @marktman571,

      Taking sides on a controversial issue is a risky marketing strategy, but can be made to work. The technique is based on a fundamental marketing tactic known as market segmentation. Whenever you see big brands do it they have generally done it as a calculated strategy to win over a specific market segment. Big brands usually have lots of data that indicate their targeted market segment will respond favorably to the message.

      Please bare in mind that all marketing is risky to a degree. Your marketing messages must be interesting to be effective. Some of the most effective campaigns use boldness, the type that most people either love, or hate, but cannot ignore.

      is it a good idea to create advertisements that are beautiful and genuine to attract customers which has a greater possibility of going flat with minimum response from the market or to go for calculated controversial ad campaign against your competitor to gain a lot of public attention?
      Beauty is not highly effective at attracting customers.

      It's not the beauty, nor the genuineness, that makes an ad effective. You can be "beautiful and genuine" while at the same time dull and boring. Beauty attracts the eye, but beauty alone does not loosen the wallet. Many of the most effective ads and landing pages have a plain vanilla look.

      It's about boldness, not badness.

      A bold message that generates a lot of love for your brand will tend to generate some hate as well, especially from your competitors. You benefit a great deal from the love, not so much from the hate.

      Don't get fooled into thinking that controversial topics are the only path to boldness. Boldness can generate controversy, but not necessarily. Also, boldness is not the only path to making your ads interesting.

      To be interesting, you need be bold, not in how you look, but in your message. Boldness captures the attention of your audience, but boldness alone does not loosen the purse strings of your customers. Nor is boldness the only path towards being interesting.

      You can be beautiful, genuine, bold, and controversial, and still be ineffective at marketing your product.

      So, by this point you might be asking what it takes to create an effective ad, right?

      There are 3 essential attributes needed for highly effective ads, beauty, genuineness, and controversy are not among them. Though they can be used to leverage the essential elements that do make an ad effective, none of those 3 things are essential.

      I'm happy to share those 3 things that are essential for effective ads, if you are interested, just let me know.
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  • Profile picture of the author wordsandthebees
    I disagree entirely.
    I can think of nothing worse than my business being known for something negative.
    While it might bring attention and in the short-term, I don't think it will bring the right kind of customer, and it's certainly not a good way to build long term relationships.
    All of my business relationships are built on mutual respect of what I can bring to them, and vice versa. If i had pushed the boundaries in some way which bought attention to my business, well, it goes against the very reputation that I'm trying to build up.
    That's my opinion - I'd hate to be on the end of 'well just look at that business' rolls eyes and turns nose up (as in above example of Kim Kardashian) No way!
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  • Profile picture of the author gingerninjas
    Marketing your brand is something that has taken a very interesting turn with technology - now anyone and everyone can share and 'leak' information for just about anyone.

    The Kardashian phenomenon is probably a really good example. These are a family of individuals who have no talent, they have little to know reason to be popular, yet the reality element of their brand has allowed them all to cash in on a massive empire and develop their brand to mean that anytime one of them heads out to LA to have a smoothie they are snapped by the paps and the images spread all over the web and magazine cover pages.

    Furthermore, there are the individuals who love the attention and cash in on bad boy or bay girl antics by getting in the media and promoting their brand.

    Love it or hate it, publicity whether it is good or bad can elevate some individuals and bring in lots of endorsements and cash.

    I guess it is similar to IM - the more reach you get and the better your marketing is, the more awareness you'll have online.

    I am not convinced that bad publicity will have a very successful long term effect however in the here and now, it certainly get the audiences attention and gets them talking. Think sex tapes, arrests, drunken nights out, being put into rehab for substance abuse, bad performance in TV or movie... these are all things that can provide bad publicity, but in some cases this is what the individual is looking for - attention (whether it be good or bad).

    On a final note, I think it is ironic that we are talking about Kim Kardashian, I really wish the fad of her would die out.. I can't believe they have actually lasted this long in the media.
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    • Profile picture of the author marktman571
      Originally Posted by gingerninjas View Post

      Marketing your brand is something that has taken a very interesting turn with technology - now anyone and everyone can share and 'leak' information for just about anyone.

      The Kardashian phenomenon is probably a really good example. These are a family of individuals who have no talent, they have little to know reason to be popular, yet the reality element of their brand has allowed them all to cash in on a massive empire and develop their brand to mean that anytime one of them heads out to LA to have a smoothie they are snapped by the paps and the images spread all over the web and magazine cover pages.

      Furthermore, there are the individuals who love the attention and cash in on bad boy or bay girl antics by getting in the media and promoting their brand.

      Love it or hate it, publicity whether it is good or bad can elevate some individuals and bring in lots of endorsements and cash.

      I guess it is similar to IM - the more reach you get and the better your marketing is, the more awareness you'll have online.

      I am not convinced that bad publicity will have a very successful long term effect however in the here and now, it certainly get the audiences attention and gets them talking. Think sex tapes, arrests, drunken nights out, being put into rehab for substance abuse, bad performance in TV or movie... these are all things that can provide bad publicity, but in some cases this is what the individual is looking for - attention (whether it be good or bad).

      On a final note, I think it is ironic that we are talking about Kim Kardashian, I really wish the fad of her would die out.. I can't believe they have actually lasted this long in the media.
      To add to all that , cheap tabloids that we see in check in lines of wall-mart and no-frills actually make their living out of the misery of these ' superstars'. Spreading fake rumors and gossips promotes the brand legacy and fascinates a lot of teenagers who mindlessly end up making them their idols. This I would say is the best indirect way to target a particular age group and reaping the most benefits from them in terms of getting greater TV ratings.
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  • Profile picture of the author 1Bryan
    New restaurant opens up in town. Just starts to get hot. E coli scare breaks out. No one goes after that. Restaurant closes down. Out of business.

    Bad publicity.

    (Happened to a restaurant near me not that long ago)
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    • Profile picture of the author attackdome
      Yuck! Lol. (It was probably the competition messing up their food). Eh well, at least it got publicity and IF there was a local story the news could have made money. Kind of like that e. Colitis chipotle story and that went viral (lol get it? Viral? No? alright that's okay..)
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    • Profile picture of the author marktman571
      Originally Posted by 1Bryan View Post

      New restaurant opens up in town. Just starts to get hot. E coli scare breaks out. No one goes after that. Restaurant closes down. Out of business.

      Bad publicity.

      (Happened to a restaurant near me not that long ago)
      Well that kind of publicity is self-destructive and there is definitely no way out of it for sure.
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