Yes it looks offensive but think twice okay...

by Russs
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I'm curious to see if I can trick you.

I'm new to online marketing, but I've come a long way with copy-writing.

The two go hand in hand.

They are however separate categories.

Can one learn to write great copy and never mess with the internet?

To a well versed copywriter the answer is pretty much common sense? If you started copy-writing 2 weeks ago it could just sound like a trivial question? Maybe you're curious.

OK here. There were amazing copywriters before the internet.

So yes that's real simple. If you didn't know that, then....well....you do now. I don't mind being as down to earth as this if it does the question it's simple justice.

If that made you feel kinda dumb, I understand, feeling dumb quiet often makes itself a step set into the learning curve. And I hope no one completely misses out always

But anyway If you felt a little dumb....I'm suggesting you think twice. Maybe you knew right from the start...and thought I sounded offensive(and I'm not trying to look like a fool, it sounded offensive).

It really shouldn't make you feel dumb to learn something whether it's the newest update, what was common knowledge 50 years ago, something way too scholarly, or a really cool geek secret slash life hack.

Although depending on who you are learning certain things might make you feel dumb just because we all have our weak points, and our quirks.

When you start learning anything a lot of what comes first tends to be real simple.

And when giving tips on copy-wring it's important to know whether you're targeting beginners, experienced writers or someone who learned about copy-writing literally yesterday.

And I would ABSOLUTELY hate for any of these categories to think good solid common sense tips are irrelevant to them, or just too out of the way,

What I want to do is provide tips and ideas that really promote learning and advancement. For example if you're a complete beginner and doubtful of whether you can profit at all with copy-writing without months and months or years of beginning experience, and trial and error....suffering. I would want to draw your attention to what you have to offer that's valuable.

Because that's what you can use to start exchanging for profit almost immediately. So it's not all "just" training. It is training but there's reward build in. And if you really push yourself to deliver value, and make good common sense offers, you'll start getting results way sooner than the guy who wants to get it all straight in his head before he pitches his gig. Now if you're a really bad writer, don't pitch yourself right away. Be confident that you can learn the next steps and "get there" without unreasonable delay.
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    Originally Posted by Russs View Post

    Maybe you knew right from the start...and thought I sounded offensive(and I'm not trying to look like a fool, it sounded offensive).
    Yeah. Just a bit offensive, but who am I to talk? lol
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  • Profile picture of the author SARubin
    OK, Russs -

    I managed to get through this entire rambling rant of yours (I even read it twice) and I'm still not sure what your point is, in all of this?

    I realize that clarity of message is not everybody's strongest attribute when writing.

    So I'm just going to come right out and ask...


    What exactly are you trying to say here? And what are you hoping to have happen as a result of us reading this?


    Originally Posted by Russs View Post

    I'm curious to see if I can trick you.

    I'm new to online marketing, but I've come a long way with copy-writing.

    The two go hand in hand.

    They are however separate categories.

    Can one learn to write great copy and never mess with the internet?

    To a well versed copywriter the answer is pretty much common sense? If you started copy-writing 2 weeks ago it could just sound like a trivial question? Maybe you're curious.

    OK here. There were amazing copywriters before the internet.

    So yes that's real simple. If you didn't know that, then....well....you do now. I don't mind being as down to earth as this if it does the question it's simple justice.

    If that made you feel kinda dumb, I understand, feeling dumb quiet often makes itself a step set into the learning curve. And I hope no one completely misses out always

    But anyway If you felt a little dumb....I'm suggesting you think twice. Maybe you knew right from the start...and thought I sounded offensive(and I'm not trying to look like a fool, it sounded offensive).

    It really shouldn't make you feel dumb to learn something whether it's the newest update, what was common knowledge 50 years ago, something way too scholarly, or a really cool geek secret slash life hack.

    Although depending on who you are learning certain things might make you feel dumb just because we all have our weak points, and our quirks.

    When you start learning anything a lot of what comes first tends to be real simple.

    And when giving tips on copy-wring it's important to know whether you're targeting beginners, experienced writers or someone who learned about copy-writing literally yesterday.

    And I would ABSOLUTELY hate for any of these categories to think good solid common sense tips are irrelevant to them, or just too out of the way,

    What I want to do is provide tips and ideas that really promote learning and advancement. For example if you're a complete beginner and doubtful of whether you can profit at all with copy-writing without months and months or years of beginning experience, and trial and error....suffering. I would want to draw your attention to what you have to offer that's valuable.

    Because that's what you can use to start exchanging for profit almost immediately. So it's not all "just" training. It is training but there's reward build in. And if you really push yourself to deliver value, and make good common sense offers, you'll start getting results way sooner than the guy who wants to get it all straight in his head before he pitches his gig. Now if you're a really bad writer, don't pitch yourself right away. Be confident that you can learn the next steps and "get there" without unreasonable delay.
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      Originally Posted by SARubin View Post

      And what are you hoping to have happen as a result of us reading this?
      I think we're supposed to feel enlightened.
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


        Why would anyone be 'offended' when told there was copy (and life) before the internet?
        How could anyone be offended when we don't even know what was said?


        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        I think we're supposed to feel enlightened.
        Yet somehow I feel a dark cloud moving in
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          I thought about trying to fix this post. I'm not sure it would do any good at all.

          Good points.
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      I wrote this three weeks ago. I'm a little unclear myself how I put the logic together. I guess I was trying to sound ridiculous in a humorous way.

      I made sense to me at the time. I think I had a lot of connections in my head that I didn't translate into my writing. I got pretty careless.

      Thanks for the input. I'm learning from the error.
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    Good to know it's not just me.... my first reaction was "If you want to write 'copy' - learn to prune and tighten it up". Rambling - no structure - no real point that I could see.


    Why would anyone be 'offended' when told there was copy (and life) before the internet?
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Why would anyone be 'offended' when told there was copy (and life) before the internet?
      I was offended that someone would think I was not aware of that fact.

      And, I'm a delicate flower.
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      • Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        And, I'm a delicate flower.
        No. You are a weed. Short, stubby, crabby (crabgrass, get it?), you keep springing up where you aren't wanted...and you are near impossible to kill.

        By the way, the best part of the OP is the first part of the title: "Yes, it looks offensive..."

        It pulls you in. The rest? I don't know.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          No. You are a weed. Short, stubby, crabby (crabgrass, get it?), you keep springing up where you aren't wanted...and you are near impossible to kill.
          All true, but at least my name, translated into latin, isn't: Amorphophallus titanum.
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      • Profile picture of the author Russs
        I don't know what I was thinking but I guess I was in a delicate mood.

        How else would I have thought that it would offend anyone?
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    • Profile picture of the author Russs
      Good feedback, actually I didn't communicate well at all.

      It looks like paint spilled on the porch during a hurricane.

      My thinking was slightly cloudy when I wrote it.

      And I didn't realize It had posted, for three weeks. I would have replied sooner.
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    I'm a delicate flower.

    Excuse me for just a moment.....


    splorf- now cleaning keyboard....



    Ok, I'm done.
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Excuse me for just a moment..... splorf- now cleaning keyboard.... Ok, I'm done.
      You know I am.

      I know you kid. lol
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    Clarity Russ, clarity.

    Chop down the original post into 4 paragraphs tops. Time and energy saver. Say what you want to say. Exit stage left.

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    • Profile picture of the author Russs
      I'll actually copy and paste that into my brain.

      Thanks.
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    All I could decode from this is...

    Before the Internet age there were great copywriters...

    When learning something new you might feel dumb...

    OP wants to show value and speed up the learning curve (after telling the reader that you may feel dumb when learning something new)...

    And other than that I was completely lost as in what are you even talking about?

    Idk about anyone else, but if I'm learning something new to me... I don't feel dumb...

    Ever...

    Learning might feel intimidating or maybe one might even think certain questions would be silly to ask...

    But dumb? Nope.

    I think the approach of wanting to come off as clever yet somewhat offensive attributes that more than someone feeling that way from learning...

    Even as someone who is just starting to get a hold on Copywriting, this is just really poor...

    Nowhere does this reflect coming a long way with copy...

    One thing you can bet on, if any copy is offensive - you will gain nothing.

    Criticize or condem others and they will not move to do anything you want them to do.

    Not sure what the goal of this post was, but work on that.

    Btw - common sense is not so common...

    I don't see how any offer could be considered common sense.

    Maybe you meant to say a "unique" offer? Or better yet an irresistible offer...
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    • Profile picture of the author Russs
      Actually you have great critiques. I haven't read this since I posted it.

      I haven't been on WF much. And I didn't realize that it actually posted, or I would have replied sooner

      I wasn't thinking carefully, I was in a hurry to post something. And yeah....completely terrible Idea on my part.

      The logic is pretty wacky. The last four paragraphs don't look like they even have to do with the topic.

      So thanks for giving good feedback.

      I don't what else to say...because I really completely goofed.
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      • Profile picture of the author SARubin
        Originally Posted by Russs View Post

        I wrote this three weeks ago. I'm a little unclear myself how I put the logic together. I guess I was trying to sound ridiculous in a humorous way.

        I made sense to me at the time. I think I had a lot of connections in my head that I didn't translate into my writing

        I wasn't thinking carefully, I was in a hurry to post something. And yeah....completely terrible Idea on my part.

        The logic is pretty wacky. The last four paragraphs don't look like they even have to do with the topic.

        I don't what else to say...because I really completely goofed.

        Yeah Russs, I get that. It happens to the best of us sometimes.

        Heck, more than once I've written something I thought was good. Only to read it later and realize it looked like I vomited alphabet soup into a blender.

        One thing that helps... after writing something, put it aside for a day or two. Then we can go back to it, and look at it with fresh eyes to see if it still makes sense (before sharing it with the world)

        It doesn't always work, and sometimes I still toss my verbal garbage into the judgemental abyss of society.

        But setting it aside for a couple days helps, more times than not.
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        • Profile picture of the author Russs
          Thanks SARubin I find this reply really helpful.

          "It doesn't always work, and sometimes I still toss my verbal garbage into the judgemental abyss of society."

          I actually resonate with this statement in a way(....yeah like you might not even suppose....right?)

          Now I don't think I would have posted it had I taken a good reread the next day. But did have an experimental attitude when I wrote my post, and I knew there was an element of wacky in it.

          I thought some people would "get it", and when I read it after a few weeks, everyone's comments made perfect sense.

          Taking a leap is good sometimes, and this was a real learning flunk for me.

          Not saying I'll try the same thing. I just need to exorcise stronger judgement when I take leaps. I

          t's a shake awake goof move.....

          Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Deevoo
    Copycats existed since the beginning of time. You don't have to reinvent the wheel, just copy the design and try to make it better to achieve similar or even greater success.

    I am against copying other's work, unless I have something to add as a contribution. Copying is the reason why annoying DRMs are on the rise. Either way, I prefer to get consent from the original author.
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    • Profile picture of the author Russs
      Yes that's an excellent point. Any principle that works now consistently also worked 1000 years ago.
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    Originally Posted by Russs View Post

    I'm curious to see if I can trick you.

    I'm new to online marketing, but I've come a long way with copy-writing.

    The two go hand in hand.

    They are however separate categories.

    Can one learn to write great copy and never mess with the internet?

    To a well versed copywriter the answer is pretty much common sense? If you started copy-writing 2 weeks ago it could just sound like a trivial question? Maybe you're curious.

    OK here. There were amazing copywriters before the internet.

    So yes that's real simple. If you didn't know that, then....well....you do now. I don't mind being as down to earth as this if it does the question it's simple justice.

    If that made you feel kinda dumb, I understand, feeling dumb quiet often makes itself a step set into the learning curve. And I hope no one completely misses out always

    But anyway If you felt a little dumb....I'm suggesting you think twice. Maybe you knew right from the start...and thought I sounded offensive(and I'm not trying to look like a fool, it sounded offensive).

    It really shouldn't make you feel dumb to learn something whether it's the newest update, what was common knowledge 50 years ago, something way too scholarly, or a really cool geek secret slash life hack.

    Although depending on who you are learning certain things might make you feel dumb just because we all have our weak points, and our quirks.

    When you start learning anything a lot of what comes first tends to be real simple.

    And when giving tips on copy-wring it's important to know whether you're targeting beginners, experienced writers or someone who learned about copy-writing literally yesterday.

    And I would ABSOLUTELY hate for any of these categories to think good solid common sense tips are irrelevant to them, or just too out of the way,

    What I want to do is provide tips and ideas that really promote learning and advancement. For example if you're a complete beginner and doubtful of whether you can profit at all with copy-writing without months and months or years of beginning experience, and trial and error....suffering. I would want to draw your attention to what you have to offer that's valuable.

    Because that's what you can use to start exchanging for profit almost immediately. So it's not all "just" training. It is training but there's reward build in. And if you really push yourself to deliver value, and make good common sense offers, you'll start getting results way sooner than the guy who wants to get it all straight in his head before he pitches his gig. Now if you're a really bad writer, don't pitch yourself right away. Be confident that you can learn the next steps and "get there" without unreasonable delay.
    Really?

    I'm confident, it's bull shit.

    GordonJ
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    • Profile picture of the author Russs
      .....yeah actually, when I stair at the screen too long(bad Idea already), and rush something(also bad idea)chances are I'll write some type of B.S.

      No excuses: that's just all I know how to reply with.

      Trying to make the most of it: not sure that's happening though
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    Please use the 'Multiquote" button. No one can tell who you are responding to.
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  • Profile picture of the author HowToWritePro
    Russs the first thing that you need to identify is WHO is your target audience?
    • What are their fears, pains, desires etc.
      What are you selling?
      What are it's benefits & features
      Why is your product/service the solution to their fears, pains, desires ?
      What is the value you are asking them for in exchange for your solution
      in dollars?
      Why should they buy from you now?
      What incentives & perks, bonuses, and guarantees can you give them?

    Copywriting is not complicated. Answer these questions in clear concise sentences like you are talking to the ideal prospect, THEN after you have that weave it into a story.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I would say your copywriting has a ways to go. This post was confusing and lacked continuity.
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  • *Phew*


    tbh it's been so damned drainin' bein' the WF Incomprehensibility Gooroo ima gonna kick back now ...
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  • Profile picture of the author poweredspeaker
    The information here are not clear for me. There is no continuity in the answer. So i am waiting for a good answer .
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Originally Posted by poweredspeaker View Post

      The information here are not clear for me. There is no continuity in the answer. So i am waiting for a good answer .
      I hope you brought a good book.
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      Working on it right now
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  • Profile picture of the author Russs
    Okay let me summarize my replies to ya'll's comments
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    • Profile picture of the author Russs
      "I wasn't thinking clearly."

      Obviously I have to acknowledge that. And It's the tightest answer, though it's true.

      A better way to put it is I didn't have much clarity with what I was saying. Because yes...... of course I had points I was trying to make. But I threw them all in a post haphazardly.

      My intentions were scattered; not focused. I was putting it together as I wrote. I was completely overthinking it and I tried to be sophisticated instead of simple.

      And somehow I pulled out the topic online vs offline marketing. Then I tried to throw a crooked curve in the path; slamming a snarky personality spin into it all. Which was to draw you in(and you did keep reading...but yeah).

      And the point of the post was to make copywriting sound more accessible even if you're not much of a geek when it comes to tech or the internet.....I know the pieces were arranged in a mess so you couldn't find much of point in it all.

      I was trying to sound like I had something useful for beginning and advanced copywriters. And I guess I did: an example of how not to say......whatever it is you have to say.

      I just tried think of something I thought was interesting. And I wanted to just get it posted. Big mistake. I pushed myself to push the New Post button.

      I made connections in my head, failing to see where they were clearly broken in the actual writing.
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  • Profile picture of the author toysoldier80
    You definitely have the gift of gab. Writing good copy helps people with this skill to earn a lot of money. Copy writing is a great opportunity for businesses especially. Every business can use a good copy writer because it will earn additional revenue and will always improve the bottome line. The power of words earns clicks, thought provoking sales, etc.

    A good Copy writer can even bring a video to life. A well written script can give way to that Trivago guy or that Progressive insurance woman. The commercials are so memorable you do not think that it is possible the idea came from a good copy writer.
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  • Profile picture of the author electricguitar
    No this method is not possible at all for sure. Rather you can try any other different method.
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