Advice For Someone Starting Out

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Hi, I am on day one of what I hope will become a successful career in copy writing. I have a plan which is enough to get me started, but not very refined, and a goal of supporting myself with freelance work by March 2020. I'd appreciate any advice you can give me, either on things I need to add to my plan (below) or tips you might have.

My Plan for becoming a Freelance Copy Writer
  • Study (beginning with courses on Udemy)
  • Start writing copy based on what I have learned for my own website
  • Listen to podcasts
  • Start by marketing my services on Fiverr and building my portfolio
  • Read books about copy writing

I haven't gone into any real detail. I would appreciate any advice on courses I should be looking at on Udemy, podcasts I should be listening to and books I should be reading.

Thanks for reading
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary Jimenez
    Hi There and congratulations on your quest! Indeed, you seem to have everything well planned.

    I started working on SEO and overall online marketing just like you, in copywriting. . . though a few steps underneath your plan. I would strongly suggest that as you progress you start on querying and applying to highly ranked copywriting sites such as Constant Content and the like. While they will squeeze the most out of you, as experience it can be valuable.
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  • Profile picture of the author modwilli
    Hey James,

    I respect your ambitious goals but there is some advice about copywriting that has stood the test of time.

    If you want to get better at copywriting, you should copy old, proven sales letters and other sales copy by hand - paper and pen - no computer. By writing out sales letters by hand you'll get develop an intimate relationship with good copy and it will make you a better writer. There's a great website that has a ton of free sales letters from the late, great, Gary Halbert. Check out The Gary Halbert Letter

    Here's an article where he talks about how to get better at copywriting fast: How to Write Better Copy, Faster
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    • Profile picture of the author James Loscombe
      Thanks modwilli, I am definitely planning to copy sales copy by hand. I've been working on How To Create Advertising That Sells by David Ogilvy and will move onto something else after that. Do you have any suggestions?

      I will look at The Gary Halbert Letter as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author modwilli
        Originally Posted by James Loscombe View Post

        Thanks modwilli, I am definitely planning to copy sales copy by hand. I've been working on How To Create Advertising That Sells by David Ogilvy and will move onto something else after that. Do you have any suggestions?

        I will look at The Gary Halbert Letter as well.
        There's a lot of really great copywriting books out there but I suggest diving deep into one book. I would start by reading Scientific Advertising by Claude Hopkins. David Ogilvy even said that "Nobody should be allowed to have anything to do with advertising until he has read this book seven times. It changed the course of my life." If you stick with the classic and focus on daily, rigorous practice of the fundamentals you will be in great shape.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mouhamadou Diouf
      Nice piece of advice modwilli. The Gary Halbert letters are a good start, alongside with the Adweek Copywriting Book.
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  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
    Originally Posted by James Loscombe View Post

    Hi, I am on day one of what I hope will become a successful career in copy writing. I have a plan which is enough to get me started, but not very refined, and a goal of supporting myself with freelance work by March 2020. I'd appreciate any advice you can give me, either on things I need to add to my plan (below) or tips you might have.

    My Plan for becoming a Freelance Copy Writer
    • Study (beginning with courses on Udemy)
    • Start writing copy based on what I have learned for my own website
    • Listen to podcasts
    • Start by marketing my services on Fiverr and building my portfolio
    • Read books about copy writing

    I haven't gone into any real detail. I would appreciate any advice on courses I should be looking at on Udemy, podcasts I should be listening to and books I should be reading.

    Thanks for reading
    Maybe ZAG, lest you become one of the 50,000 copywriters at Freelancer, Upwork, WF, Fiverr, et al, all who seem to be begging for work.

    Those that ZAG, the non-sheeple, are ones who have a chance of reaching your goal.

    But, you're off to the TYPICAL, follow the herd, be part of the crowd routine, so who knows, maybe you'll be one of the ones who reaches his goal, good luck with that.

    GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by James Loscombe View Post

    My Plan for becoming a Freelance Copy Writer
    • Study (beginning with courses on Udemy)
    • Start writing copy based on what I have learned for my own website
    • Listen to podcasts
    • Start by marketing my services on Fiverr and building my portfolio
    • Read books about copy writing
    James, I'm afraid I don't see much of a plan there. Points 1,3 and 5 come under the heading of research, which is something you should already have started in earnest if being a freelance copywriter is your intention. Indeed, it's a habit you should continue throughout your freelance career.

    Your research will suggest a more clearly defined plan of action, which might well start with writing copy for your own site. Certainly you'll need some way to measure how well you've assimilated your learning and how effectively you can put those lessons into practice before launching your service to paying clients.

    From what you've posted, my suspicion is that you first need to do a bit more reading and studying on the subject before deciding what direction to take.

    Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author James Loscombe
      Thanks Frank, that's what I thought as well. This is really just a "plan" for getting myself started. 1, 3 and 5 are certainly things that I intend to make habits and as I learn more I will refine the areas that I study. I don't know what direction to take currently but I have some ideas and really just exploring the area more.

      I don't intend to start marketing myself to paying clients for some time. I would like to build up a portfolio of relevant content before starting to do so.

      Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mary Jimenez
        Personally, I launched myself to the marketing area before doing anything. Then, I did study marketing back in college, so I wasn't with no knowledge at all. That being said; if you are not aware of what road to take and you have done some research. . .

        Why not dabble the water around and about? The wonderful thing about the internet is that you can be whomever you like without any fuss or trouble.

        I would suggest creating and alternative personna and then launching to a cent-size site such as get a freelancer or so, the reasons (IMHO) are:

        * You will get a true sense of a wide variety of clients. Copywriting technically is wonderful, but since you are writing for someone else's pleasure, it can be harder than you think.
        * You will get to experience topics, areas and languages. I wrote for a car rental company in the UK for many months, and I have to say I have never ever been to the UK.
        * If only just for fun, you can monetize what you know. It will also give you a good standing to your capabilities and your natural gifts.

        Of course, that is just IMHO
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  • Profile picture of the author Mouhamadou Diouf
    Hey James,
    That's what I would do too. But my list would start by reading books and swipes from the greatest copywriters. Try swiped.co
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  • Profile picture of the author TrickyDick
    If I were starting out, here's what I would do....

    Everyday, visit swiped.co... and spend 30 minutes browsing around. This will give you many copy examples and good analysis.

    Read these two:

    How To Find Your Big Marketing Idea by Todd Brown

    Web Copy That Sells: The Revolutionary Formula for Creating Killer Copy That Grabs Their Attention and Compels Them to Buy by Maria Veloso

    Don't just read.... actually answer the questions... and work through the exercises. You may want to go through Maria's book three or four times to get it to really "sink in."

    Find people that you can write copy for in your "network" or here on Warrior Forum. When you think your copy is ready, post a review request in this forum (Copywriting). Keep in mind, you'll get a myriad of comments... Some vague... and useless. Some just rude.... and (still) useless. Others will be pure gold. Keep the gold... Toss the rest. :-)

    Here's what I'd avoid.... Wasting time listening to podcasts... or YouTube videos initially. You need to acquire knowledge and put it to use...

    The temptation will be to buy a million Copywriting books..... and courses. You'll want to try a dozen different Copywriting formulas.

    The problem with this is you're stuck in learning mode... and not actually doing. You could spin your wheels for months or years without earning a red cent.
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  • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
    How did Benjamin Franklin, now noted as an excellent writer, improve his prose writing?

    He would pick a writer whose style he admired, then take an essay of theirs, jot down the main ideas and then attempt to rewrite the piece from his notes. He would then compare what he had written with the original, observing the differences.

    This can easily be adapted to copywriting. The key learning happens when you see all the little things that the master writer did that you did not do. Ask yourself why they did it that way. If you can then incorporate most of those differences into future exercises, you will be on the road to becoming a pro.

    Marcia Yudkin
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  • Profile picture of the author FelicityK
    Hello and welcome to the world of copywriting!

    It's great to see you've got a brief planned outline of how you are going to move forward, but don't forget that more often than not, writing is improved through practice. I would advise to complete your course and gain an idea of the structure of copywriting and its goals.

    Also, check out other people's blogs on copywriting and try to connect with other freelancers on social media for a greater insight into the industry.

    Hope this helps!

    Felicity.
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  • Profile picture of the author Golgrer
    I also started writing texts for my sites on my own, just gaining experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author LedZep33
    If you want to attend online courses, maybe you should look up for copywriting courses on Coursera. They are much better quality than on Udemy, many of them created by prestigious universities. The downside is that they are more expensive than Udemy, but you can still watch the valuable lessons without getting the certificate. The second advice for you is to watch as many TV commercials daily; also, regularly check out what big players are doing on all online/offline marketing channels.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    While I successful (and intentionally) steered clear of this forum for damn near a whole year... I can probably give you some great advice as to what not to do...

    1.) Don't try to learn everything first...


    Back in 2011 when I started dabbling in marketing to see if I could make some extra money online as a writer... I dove in 'head first' - rolled up my sleeves and withing a few weeks had my first sales commissions earned online!

    I had absolutely no clue what the hell I was doing, but... someone here invited me to do a free review of their monthly membership site -teaching people how to do basic SEO, keywords, rank in the SERP's and start making money using affiliate products! It seemed legit, so I started there... completely green - zero computing skills - at all, none, nada, zero...zilch! (*I don't think I even had an email account until 2011, lol.

    Anyways, I spent 3 days... barely any sleep, absorbing everything this guy was laying down in his videos and on day 4, I created a free blog (*I had no website, domain, nada... complete noob!) and I wrote one review consisting of about 1000 words for a Clickbank product.

    That review had (1) main keyword... and about 5 variations, phrases, and on-page SEO keyword density of about 3% - 4% usage throughout the review article... with heading tags, bolded, italics, and underscores to boost my rankings...it was brilliant!

    The article took me maybe an hour or so to actually write... I winged it, and wrote it on a whim.

    But, in my defense; I did buy the product prior... so I believed in the product doing what it proposed and promised to do... So, I was (in my opinion) being ethical and 110% honest in what I wrote about the product!

    Then... about 2 days after I wrote the article/review... I woke up to find I had gotten 2 new sales for a total of $94 in my Clickbank dashboard. Holy Mother of Christ himself I had made 2 sales whilst I was fast asleep; I was fixing to quit my job, write full-time, and unleash my creative genius upon the world! I was truly 'on-high'... as if; I'd received a front row seat in Heaven...right next to God, himself!

    Oh yeah baby... the dream was going to be my reality!!!

    I pm'd the guy who let me in his program to thank him... and he responded; "Cool bro, that's freaking awesome... I told you my shit works, brother. Keep cranking out good work...it gets even better!"

    We chatted a bit... and he said; "hey... have you checked out the latest video in the member's area yet?"

    I said; "no... let me go check it out now, I'll talk to you later man!"

    Long story short, that video he posted freakin' crippled me... just as fast as I'd gotten my feet wet online... and made my first few sales!

    You see, he was pushing some article spinning software and recommending his students "spin" existing articles and blast em' all over the internet to increase sales, get more exposure, etc.

    Immediately, I went to the main forum to ask; "hey Warrior's - what's the best article spinning software on the market?"

    The feedback from other members & especially, other writer's was nothing shy of a mob lynching as if; I'd pissed on their grandmother's Christmas tree in a drunken stupor... as multiple people ripped on the fact; "spinning articles is spamming the internet"... "whoever's teaching that shit - is clearly not a good marketer, blah! blah! blah!"

    So... I stopped following the guy's threads, instructions, and actually questioned everything he'd taught me... unsure if I was just lucky to have made those initial sales commissions?

    Over a period of time, about 12 months... that one review article stayed on page one... top slot, just under the actual product owner's website... and I'd made upwards of $1200 in commissions for writing that one review... in just under a year's time!

    But... by then, my belief in marketing affiliate products had changed... because that product I bought and told others to try (*and buy) sucked and didn't do what it promised...oops! (*Woe is me, again!)

    I'd sent over 2500+ people to the guy selling the products email list... being they had to optin to get the free trial... when they upgraded, I got my $47 commission!

    But... I stopped writing. I thought; "I must be stupid... I gave this guy over 2500 people on his email list... (*everyone was preaching; 'build your list"... "The Money's in the list!!!)... Blah! Blah! Blah!

    I didn't have a list... Hell, I really didn't have a clue how to capture a friggin lead...let alone build a freaking list with software, websites, optin form... Again, I must be stupid, right?

    So... I went out and learned everything about AWeber, autoresponders, and building email lists!

    Took me a good minute (*months and months, in reality)... as I refused to study under anyone again. I mean, the other guy was spamming the internet, I didn't wanna be that guy or learn from another scheming shysterer like him, right?

    Then it was; "you need your own website, Wordpress was all the rave!" - "You need your own domain!"

    I bought over 250 domains... before I'd ever even built a single website... hell, I was gonna be rich selling one word domains in ever hot niche I thought was badass... MesotheliomaSuits(.)com, you name it, I bought that f'ker!

    I mean c'mon, Google AdWords was selling 'clicks' for over a $100 a click... Oh, yeah... there's money there for sure...

    Then I almost got scammed again... Some douchebag contacted me wanted to pay huge sums of money for a bunch of my domains... luckily, the WF saved my ass, as it was a scammer wanting me to pay first to certify and valuate the domains...to appease his buyer. Other warriors... awakened me to that scam, saved what's left of my backside!


    Then it was on to OptimizePress (*the original one...I liked that one), learning HTML, writing links, cloaking links, FTP client, setting DNS, hosting, EMD's, SEO, copywriting, Photoshop, Gimp, and after 7 years of bouncing all over the fu-king place...

    I kept going to work offline... while studying my ass off online!

    Well... I was freelancing, sub-contracting, and doing home improvement gigs... same dead end shit I've done for decades!

    So what's my advice?

    If you want to write copy... avoid 99.9% of the shit everyone's telling you to do... client acquistions, buy this course, study that course... No!!! F.ck NO!!!

    2.) Pick a few books... written by the 'master's of copy'... such as; Olgivy, Halbert, Hopkins, Carlton, etc...


    3.) Pick a product, service or software that's already selling... trusted... and proven! - preferrably one with a recurring lifetime commission of 30% to 50% commissions as an affiliate/jv/partner or webmaster

    4.) Write compelling copy... and sell the living shit out of everyone else's stuff!


    No boss... No clients... No Hype... No headaches!

    You'll know if you can be a freelance copywriter for well under a couple hundred bucks... by the 'direct-responses' you get... It's simple really, if they buy... You're a pro!

    If they don't... fix your copy!!!

    Now... if I had just stuck to writing one highly compelling review per day... simply telling other people where they could find Heaven... I would've likely saved myself a ton of time, energy, money, and effort learning all that other shit!

    I don't regret my decision... I learned a boatload of valuable information and skills...

    But, when it all comes down to it... there's a million-and-one products, services, and people with great shit to offer the world who pay commissions to use their copy... (*well written copy at that in many cases)... and all you need to do is; "tell them where to go, how to get it, and why they should buy it!"

    It's no accident 99% of the world's current population seeks permission, instruction, or approval is it?

    No... it's not, because the 1% (or less) figured out long before we were ever born how to "influence people" to buy their shit... Shit they got for free or 'dirt cheap' back when...

    It's no different today... only now, the 99% have access to some brilliant knowledge, tools, and resources on a global scale!!!

    Give em' permission to be free, show em' where to buy that freedom... and viola' you're a copywriter long before March of 2020...

    Hell, I might be dead by then... I hope you get there sooner than it took me to figure it out, lol.

    FYI, while much of this post was written for therapeutic purposes... some of it holds some real world value... and if you are seeking clients to write for that's fine too, but I'd practice on a pig before hunting whales!

    Peace out... I'm passing out...

    Don't drink and write!

    Goidnight!

    -Art
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      While I successful (and intentionally) steered clear of this forum for damn near a whole year... I can probably give you some great advice as to what not to do...


      You'll know if you can be a freelance copywriter for well under a couple hundred bucks... by the 'direct-responses' you get... It's simple really, if they buy... You're a pro!

      If they don't... fix your copy!!!

      -Art
      That was some good advice on what NOT to do. See you haven't lost your typing skills in the year you've avoided us. Also, wondering, after seeing your COMING SOON sig file for five years now, what SOON might mean?

      I also think you gave good advice on the copy, although not sure one has to spend even a couple of hundred bux...

      OFFER, which means something to sell and someone to sell it to.

      IF they buy your copy is OK, and you work on increasing the numbers. IF they don't buy, try again.

      The copy for the right person, at the right time, in the right place...gives you more valuable feedback than most high priced coaches or gurus. So, that is, indeed, some good advice.

      Good to see you back and kicking it.

      GordonJ
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      • Profile picture of the author art72
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        That was some good advice on what NOT to do. See you haven't lost your typing skills in the year you've avoided us. Also, wondering, after seeing your COMING SOON sig file for five years now, what SOON might mean?

        I also think you gave good advice on the copy, although not sure one has to spend even a couple of hundred bux...

        OFFER, which means something to sell and someone to sell it to.

        IF they buy your copy is OK, and you work on increasing the numbers. IF they don't buy, try again.

        The copy for the right person, at the right time, in the right place...gives you more valuable feedback than most high priced coaches or gurus. So, that is, indeed, some good advice.

        Good to see you back and kicking it.

        GordonJ
        Lol... yeah I definitely know exactly what not to do, heck I've nearly perfected it!

        As far as the "Coming Soon..." - just one of many brilliant ideas I've yet to launch!

        It's good to be back... and I have always enjoyed your straight-forward, no-nonsense approach in advising others!
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by smartprofitmoney View Post

      You need to have online skills, then offer those skills, sell them, but you need to be good at WordPress and understand the process, but you need skills, build blog in a way that it is setup from the start to make money, the only people that make money here, have major skills, but no one seems to talk about that,
      Thanks Rob.
      NO. NO. NO. Stupid post by someone selling those skills, none of which are needed to write copy, as the OP wrote about.

      No blog needed to write copy.
      NO knowledge of Wordpress to write copy.

      NO Facebook expertise unless writing copy specific to Facebook.

      NO. NO. NO.

      More WF BS.

      GordonJ

      PS. I think they should charge at least 100 bux for a sig file.
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      • Profile picture of the author smartprofitmoney
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        NO. NO. NO. Stupid post by someone selling those skills, none of which are needed to write copy, as the OP wrote about.

        No blog needed to write copy.
        NO knowledge of Wordpress to write copy.

        NO Facebook expertise unless writing copy specific to Facebook.

        NO. NO. NO.

        More WF BS.

        GordonJ

        PS. I think they should charge at least 100 bux for a sig file.
        You need to respect others on WF, calling others names is not right, I did change my post to make more sense, but your post to me is uncalled for, I do not post BS,

        Read the rules of WF, or get banned.
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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
          Originally Posted by smartprofitmoney View Post

          You need to respect others on WF, calling others names is not right, I did change my post to make more sense, but your post to me is uncalled for, I do not post BS,

          Read the rules of WF, or get banned.
          Responding to a post about copywriting with an irrelevant recommendation to learn WordPress when your sig promotes a WordPress course is, if not BS, a fairly blatant piece of self-promotion. You shouldn't be surprised to be called out on it.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by smartprofitmoney View Post

          You need to respect others on WF, calling others names is not right, I did change my post to make more sense, but your post to me is uncalled for, I do not post BS,

          Read the rules of WF, or get banned.
          Did I call you a name? NO. I probably know the rules of the forum as well as anyone.

          I respect others, and I show that respect by calling BS, when I read it, hear it, smell it. The REASON it is BS is because it has nothing to do with the OP (original post). There are many six figure copywriters who do not blog, do facebook or Wordpress.

          Too bad you took offense, but consider it a teachable moment, eh?

          GordonJ
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by smartprofitmoney View Post

          You need to respect others on WF, calling others names is not right, I did change my post to make more sense, but your post to me is uncalled for, I do not post BS,

          Read the rules of WF, or get banned.
          What you mean is, calling others names is not right, IF, THEY don't like the name they were called, right? If I called a fellow Warrior astute, or brilliant, or level headed, would they take offense? Maybe.

          But, I rarely call anyone a name. Today I make an exception, so, I am calling you

          an

          OPPORTUNIST.

          And just so there is no mistake, I went to several dictionary sites but the one from Vocabulary dot com serves the purpose:

          "An opportunist seizes every opportunity to improve things for himself."


          So, in a sense we are all opportunists, could even argue it is built in to human behavior.

          And, you have come to the right place, because, every day we see posts made in threads which are off topic, not connected to the OP, and are for the most part, simply self-serving and more than likely with a sig file to a link specifically about their suggestion.

          So, hopefully, you won't take too much offense at this name I AM calling you today. And you are by no stretch the only one, even in this thread.

          And, a somewhat minor detail these days, since it has been hammered into glue, but Copywriting, professionally, usually isn't the same thing as content writing for blogs. But a decent copywriter can create some good blog posts.

          Have a great day, SEIZE the moment, and enjoy.

          GordonJ
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          • Profile picture of the author smartprofitmoney
            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            What you mean is, calling others names is not right, IF, THEY don't like the name they were called, right? If I called a fellow Warrior astute, or brilliant, or level headed, would they take offense? Maybe.

            But, I rarely call anyone a name. Today I make an exception, so, I am calling you

            an

            OPPORTUNIST.

            And just so there is no mistake, I went to several dictionary sites but the one from Vocabulary dot com serves the purpose:

            "An opportunist seizes every opportunity to improve things for himself."


            So, in a sense we are all opportunists, could even argue it is built in to human behavior.

            And, you have come to the right place, because, every day we see posts made in threads which are off topic, not connected to the OP, and are for the most part, simply self-serving and more than likely with a sig file to a link specifically about their suggestion.

            So, hopefully, you won't take too much offense at this name I AM calling you today. And you are by no stretch the only one, even in this thread.

            And, a somewhat minor detail these days, since it has been hammered into glue, but Copywriting, professionally, usually isn't the same thing as content writing for blogs. But a decent copywriter can create some good blog posts.

            Have a great day, SEIZE the moment, and enjoy.

            GordonJ
            Ok when I sent my post out to OP, I only read the the post super fast, that is my fault, I should have looked, so that is why I posted of topic, now if you think I am here to post stuff off topic, no not me, check my old post, I always stay on topic,, as for my sig, well been there since I started, on WF 2013,

            So if your thinking I post here the get leads or business, no I don't even post much,
            ok hope that explains my post.
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    • Originally Posted by smartprofitmoney View Post

      You need to have online skills, then offer those skills
      From whencewhere? From outta whosome? & for frickin' whaaat purpose?

      Internets be droppin' on evrywan now from all kindsa sneakily targeted evryplace.

      Question is .. who sayin' anythin' gonna leg you on over fyooture's infinitely immediate threshold so's you can be sure you gonna walk an' dance sweet forevah without compromisin' hips, knees & essential modesty smarts?
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  • Profile picture of the author Highest And Best
    Hi James,

    As long as copy writing is a choice because you WANT to do it, then proceed.
    You see, as a business consultant (offline) I determined that people achieve success only when they want and love what they are doing, and those choosing their business based on anticipated income usually seem to lose.

    This is even more prevalent online. There are soooo many newbies that choose a niche solely because it is "hot" and "lucrative" only to keep struggling. One of the secrets to success, online or off, is to do something you love to do.

    To proceed with your plan...

    • Begin writing immediately, even without training. The best way to do this is to make a blog. You can do this for free on Tumblr or Blogger, and that way you get to practice your writing every day (or whatever) before you sell your services. Note that if you plan to use your blog as a portfolio, as you build your skills, it is better to start a self-hosted blog so you can retain your links when you inevitably switch to a more robust platform such as WordPress.
    • Although there can be benefit learning from many sources, It may be best to choose one education source and go deep. That way you avoid becoming a "seminar junkie" (one who keeps training, but never takes action to get started).
    By blogging regularly, you will continually implement what you learn, and you will come up with relevant questions that you can ask here or where ever you receive your education. You can become extremely proficient very quickly.


    Kick some copy writing butt!

    -Scott
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  • Profile picture of the author Golgrer
    I think the site should contain professional texts, especially if it is a home page. Especially since you have a business site. The text should be very competent, informative. I can only recommend check this website. Recently I ordered good texts from professional writers. I was pleased with the quality of the performed work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Griffin
    Hi James!
    I have to say that your plan is well organized. By you should remember that being a freelance copywriter means that you need to find blogs to post your articles by yourself. This is really necessary because you need not only to write a good article but also to find how you can sell it.
    I had to find copywriters some time ago, and I used email finder, it really saved my time. Imagine that you can find a contact of a person from his website, or social network. It's really useful. You can try to use email finders like oxyleads, or anymailfinder zerobounce. Frankly speaking, I guess I used all of them because the free trial is too short. I advise you to use Snovio email finder because it has a renewable free plan. It was really helpful for me, I found emails than I verified if they are valid.
    You also should remember that people usually ignore mails received from strangers, so you should be persistent, don't afraid to write several follow-ups.
    I wish you to be a successful copywriter, and then a great influencer!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dogfish451
    Hey James, I don't know your situation, but I admire your courage. Copy writing set me free. And that was 23 years ago. My advice to you would be to learn how to use copy writing to sell digital info products online. Freelance copy writing is very hard to crack.
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