Help needed with review of WSO / sales copy

by rwil02
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I've just closed out a WSO for my new product.
I'm lousy at copywriting, so I'm looking to make some improvements all round.

The WSO was here: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...pare-time.html

And the site it directs you to is here: How To Write And Sell Software For A Living

These are the overall results of my WSO at the time I closed it and put the price back up:

WSO Views 572
Unique Visitors 147
Unique Order Page 36
Number of Sales 6

Spent $60 Initial + 2 bounces
Earned $280 4x$35 + 2x$55

CTR = 25.7%
To order page = 24.5%
Conversion Rate= 4.08%

As you can see, profitable, but not world shattering , which is good, since I was mainly aiming for testing affiliate software, visitor tracking, and the sales automation process.

I've got split testing software installed, so it's easy for me to add in additional elements. I was hoping I could get some suggestions about wording, approaches, what elements in the WSO would be good candidates for the main sales page, that kind of thing.


Thanks

Roger
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    • Profile picture of the author zephyrwriting
      Okay I'm no $10,000 Copywriter, but I have done a few jobs of this type in the past. Fxxmorale actually made a pretty decent post on your WSO regarding the sales copy that was being used.

      While lists of features are all well and good, I feel that there are numerous ways in which your sales copy could be improved. I will PM you further details within an hour once I go through everything.

      Regards,

      -Vish.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kyle Tully
    The main problem is the general approach of the whole offer.

    I'm just going to bullet some issues I see:
    • WSO text starts out talking about things you need to do that have nothing to do with me.
    • You tell me the price before I know ANYTHING about what you've got.
    • It's starts getting confusing with talk about 4 different links.
    • You start putting conditions on my purchase (survey) further confusing things. (And I still don't know what you've got for sale.)
    • You start talking about all your programming credentials. That's going to put off 99.9% of the market and only leave fellow programmers interested.
    • You start talking about daily work... sounds intimidating... and I still don't know what you've got for me.
    • Salesletter itself builds absolutely no desire for the product whatsoever -- just goes straight into the bonuses and features. This is it's core problem.
    • 29 steps in the process make it sound overwhelming and confusing.

    The WSO forum is very much an opportunity seeker market. Your opportunity sounds complicated, requires a lot of work (maybe even experience?), all for relatively little reward.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karri
    To be honest, I didn't read the entire WSO b/c it was just too long / wordy. The sales page isn't that long, but you need to state your promise right away ... maybe even in the first headline. I found your promise buried in the text:

    "This 49 page guide is about how to get software written for you on Elance."

    That's the whole point right? So bring it front and center. The headline about making $1000/mo selling personal software wasn't congruent with the content that followed. Confusing.

    Also try not to get sidetracked with talking about yourself and instead talk directly to what your reader is (hopefully) already looking for.

    HTH,
    Karri
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Roger,

      First thing: Sales results are a function of a number of variables. The first is the prospecting process. In this case, your lead generation piece didn't provide data that conformed to their specifications.

      It's like running Unix software on a Windows PC.

      Wrong OS.

      Logging should be done in the background. All you really want to tell people is that you're offering them a discount because you're testing something. Make everything else invisible.

      If you let people choose a number from a list, they will tend toward a specific number. That varies based on the list, but it's NOT a true random number generator. There's a seed that most people "know," even if they're not aware of it.

      You give them one link and let a script choose at random.

      And speak their language.

      Like I'm doing so far...

      The comments others have given you on the WSO language are pretty much right on.

      On the main sales page:

      The headline sucks. Limiting the potential to $1000 a month isn't going to get anyone excited. That's less than an entry level burger-flipping wage.

      And, honestly, if the product delivers on the promise of showing people how to find what folks already want, that's a very low estimate of the potential.

      Don't make income claims at all. Stick to the promise: Find out what software people desperately want, get it made, and sell the hell out of it.

      If I can make some time later, I'll review the sales letter. For now, consider that the last sentence in that last paragraph sums up the entire thing. There's nothing like enough information there to get most people to spend $100+.


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      • Profile picture of the author rwil02
        Thank you all.

        Enough cross agreement in there for me to start figuring some things out.

        Paul. Nicely done and thanks for taking the time to look. Should tell you though, Windows does (or did) include a Unix sub system. You could even upgrade it. Never did find out why it was there though. LOL.

        The blind redirect is an obvious I should have thought of. Though the 4 links I had still accomplished their purpose, which was simply to check visitor tacking and multi level commissions in my affiliate tracking software.

        All good stuff to think about for a future WSO, or other sale.

        That "$1000 per month" headline? Part of that copy writing I got stung on.

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        Don't make income claims at all. Stick to the promise: Find out what software people desperately want, get it made, and sell the hell out of it.
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        This shows a fundamental difference in how Paul and I think. I literally had to read this 5 times before I understood it the way I think Paul intended it. Which is that the core promise of the product is to "discover what software people want, get your hands on it, and sell it." Of course, now that I read it that way, I can't remember what I was thinking it meant.

        Anyway. This is what I've currently got figured out.

        1. Copywriting by other people is probably not going to work well for me. Which is a pain, becuase I find it hard to think in terms of benefits rather than features. Features are quite literally what my career is about.

        2. I think I'm being too scattered. My product covers software ideas, marketing software, writing software, speccing software, and getting software written for you. My passions are writing and speccing software, and I'm probably worse than average at marketing it (and I'm not used to being worse than average at anything I'm actively trying to do. Probably I sign I'm too comfortable).
        Options for that are
        a. split into separate products
        b. focus on one aspect only
        c. produce different sales pages focusing on different aspects

        I'm leaning towards b, then progressively c.

        But first I need to figure out how to write a coherent sales letter. Back to looking through some of the copywriting formulas I guess.
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        • Profile picture of the author Collette
          Originally Posted by rwil02 View Post

          Thank you all.

          1. Copywriting by other people is probably not going to work well for me. Which is a pain, becuase I find it hard to think in terms of benefits rather than features. Features are quite literally what my career is about.

          ...

          But first I need to figure out how to write a coherent sales letter. Back to looking through some of the copywriting formulas I guess.
          Actually, the first thing you need to figure out is who you're selling to. I couldn't tell from the copy if you were targeting programmers, or regular technically clueless users (like me!)

          It SEEMED like you might have been trying to sell to me, but you were talking way over my head. And it sounded like the learning curve was going to be extremely steep, for people like me.

          If you're targeting programmers, they WOULD be interested in features. And there are copywriters who specialize in writing tech sales copy (I'm NOT one of them).

          If you're targeting consumers, you don't need a technical copywriter. And as you mentioned, pulling out benefits isn't your strength. In which case, you would probably be better off hiring a copywriter to do your copy. Doing so will save you a lot of time, frustration, and lost sales. In this case, the copywriter doesn't need to be a techie; they just need to have enough brain cells to be able to translate the tech features into everyday user benefits. (I'm one of these copywriters )
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          • Profile picture of the author rwil02
            Originally Posted by Collette View Post

            Actually, the first thing you need to figure out is who you're selling to. I couldn't tell from the copy if you were targeting programmers, or regular technically clueless users (like me!)

            It SEEMED like you might have been trying to sell to me, but you were talking way over my head. And it sounded like the learning curve was going to be extremely steep, for people like me.

            If you're targeting programmers, they WOULD be interested in features. And there are copywriters who specialize in writing tech sales copy (I'm NOT one of them).

            If you're targeting consumers, you don't need a technical copywriter. And as you mentioned, pulling out benefits isn't your strength. In which case, you would probably be better off hiring a copywriter to do your copy. Doing so will save you a lot of time, frustration, and lost sales. In this case, the copywriter doesn't need to be a techie; they just need to have enough brain cells to be able to translate the tech features into everyday user benefits. (I'm one of these copywriters )
            Thanks Collette
            Actually, I meant 1 more in the sense that I've yet to run across copywriting that was close enough to me that I could cope with presenting myself in that manner. I think that I could get stuff written, but that it would probably contrast too much with me, and hence would just cause more problems. Kind of like "finding my voice" or something. Presenting in a manner that appeals, but still reflects who/what I am.

            And as for who I'm targeting, the answer is kind of both. Which is what I meant about not being focussed enough.

            Basically, I can see a matrix of options.

            You can sell
            Shrinkwrapped Software (in a box)
            Bespoke (custom written for one person)

            You can get software to sell by
            Writing it
            Paying someone to write it
            Buying existing software from someone else

            You can get ideas from
            Research
            Existing customers
            Someone asking you directly

            If software is being written, you can
            Write the specification yourself
            Get it handed to you by a customer
            Get someone to write it for you

            Marketing software / services
            All the usual
            Adwords, article marketing, blogs, etc.
            Shareware/download sites
            Amazon
            ClickBank


            2 x 3 x 3 x 3 x LOTS

            There's at least 20 different combinations of ways you can get to the marketing bit at the end (yes I know, it should be near the start).

            But in the end it all boils down to what Paul said.
            Find out the software people want (research)
            Get it (build, or buy)
            Sell the hell out of it (promotion and marketing)

            A "technically clueless user" would go along the "sell shrink wrapped", "buy or pay to write" options, but still all the spec and marketing stuff is highly variable.

            In person, I can talk/walk pretty much anyone through the processes involved, but presenting the idea of it to a random someone is what I seem to suck at.
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            • Profile picture of the author Teddi77
              Hi Roger:

              Have you actually made money using your product? If so, a headline using your experience is the BEST...better than almost anything else. Here's an example that got me to click on a squeeze page "How I make $15,000 per month using article marketing". Benefit focused or testimonial based headlines are also very effective.

              I did not notice any testimonials in your sales letter. You need them...give your product away if you have to, but get some testimonials with pictures, full names, web addresses and preferably audio versions plus written text. Video is the latest craze but a bit challenging.

              I agree that your WSO offer was way too long, filled with way to much info about you and too little about WIIFM (what's in it for me)...it needed to be focused on benefits to the buyer. Check out some of the really successful WSO sales pages for ideas and print them out. Then, highlight things you think are good and use them as ideas (I'm not suggesting copying, only using for inspiration) for your next WSO.

              Another point, your subheads should tell your whole story quickly and easily. Some people like to read the whole letter, while others skim first, then if they're interested, they will read the whole thing.

              Here's a secret almost no one uses but it is very effective. Use bullets that relate to the pages of your ebook. In other words you could say "On page 7 you'll discover a secret technique for..." or "Look at page 14 and you'll find 7 simple ways to..."

              Is anything about your process/project easy or quick? Using these words can be very effective in headlines.

              Your paragraphs and sentences are a bit long, you want to use simple words to make it easy for the reader. Shorten paragraphs to 3 or 4 sentences at most. You can also use 1 sentence paragraphs to make an important point.

              Best of luck with your project,

              Regards, Teddi
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              • Profile picture of the author rwil02
                Originally Posted by Teddi77 View Post

                Hi Roger:

                Have you actually made money using your product? If so, a headline using your experience is the BEST...better than almost anything else. Here's an example that got me to click on a squeeze page "How I make $15,000 per month using article marketing". Benefit focused or testimonial based headlines are also very effective.

                Regards, Teddi
                So using an example based on a headline I already use

                "How I make $1,000 per month for less than 8 hours work"?

                The difference being the "less than 8 hours work"
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Roger,
              But first I need to figure out how to write a coherent sales letter. Back to looking through some of the copywriting formulas I guess.
              Wrong first step. You're getting ahead of yourself.

              First, you need to define the group(s) that will benefit from your product. That means understanding what benefits are.

              Here's an article from my newsletter that explains that in a way that might work for you. It's from October of 2000.

              -----===(*)===-----

              Yet Another Blasted Article On
              The Difference Between Features and Benefits
              (alternatively titled)

              "Where's the Party?"

              The primary function of marketing is simple: To create a
              situation in which people willingly give you what you want in
              exchange for what you offer.

              You need to do one of two things to make any deal work:

              Find the people who have what you want and who already want
              what you've got, and propose a deal...

              ...or, find out what those people already want, get it, and
              give it to them. (This is actually a simpler process, as it
              doesn't matter what you start out with in this approach, and
              your risk is much smaller.)

              One of the most curious things about marketers is their
              almost universal failure to grasp this aspect of their trade.

              They don't understand what people really want.

              Sometimes it's because they're wrapped up in the way they
              present the deal. These are the folks that win Clio Awards
              for their cleverness and "creativity," and find themselves
              clientless shortly thereafter. (Because their clients either
              went elsewhere or went broke.)

              Sometimes it's because they try to fit the market to the
              product, which is something like resizing your feet to fit
              your boots.

              Sometimes it's because they separate branding from response,
              which should be punishable by being barbecued over old issues
              of the Wall Street Journal.

              Most often it's because they fail to recognise - and
              emphasize - the difference between features, products, and
              benefits.

              This is a Very Bad Thing®.

              ....

              A long time ago, in a lifetime far, far away, I was employed
              by a "Corporation." (To you creative types, this is something
              like the Empire in Star Wars, only less benevolent.)

              They wanted me to teach their people to sell a line of
              nutritional products. Vitamins and the like. Great products,
              but not real "sexy" stuff.

              You can imagine the training process, eh?

              They all wanted to do the same thing: List ingredients. The
              more, the merrier.

              "We gotcher vitamin A, yer vitamin b, and yer vitamins X, Y
              and Z. Absorption rate's over 90%. Cold processed, just like
              yer faveright beer!"

              "Ummm... No," says I, in my most professorial voice. "That
              ain't how you sell vitamins."

              "Huh?"

              "Huh?" seemed like a wall in their minds. Even the fitness
              fanatics couldn't get past the Ingredient Approach to selling
              vitamins.

              We explained that the ingredients were of no interest to the
              customer, except as far as they produced a benefit the
              customer was looking for. (Benefit being defined as "Whatever
              brings the customer closer to the state in which they'd like
              to live.")

              The customer, we pointed out, was similarly uninterested in
              the product. Little tasteless pills that they had to remember
              to take every day? What a nuisance! That's too much like
              taking medicine.

              They didn't want the features (the ingredients), and they
              didn't really even want the product itself. So why do people
              buy vitamins?

              Vitamin C sells big because people know it helps them feel
              better when they've got a cold. That's easy. Removing pain
              that people understand is a simple sale.

              Anti-oxidants help people minimise wear and tear on their
              bodies, by cleaning up poisons. Sort of nebulous, until you
              tell them the unpleasant things those poisons can cause.

              B vitamins help reduce the effects of stress. People who are
              interested in their health "got it" right away.

              The salespeople didn't.

              We'd explain to them that what people get from vitamins is
              the key. More energy to enjoy the things they do. Less
              stress. Reduced risk of certain illnesses. Better sleep.
              Stuff that makes a difference.

              With vitamins, *as with any product*, the key is simple:

              They don't care what's in it
              until they know what's in it for them.

              Some of them learned. The rest needed a more "concrete"
              example.

              But how do you make the point? If your salespeople (or you)
              are focusing on the features of your product, how do you get
              them to switch their attention to benefits?

              ....

              Try something like this.

              One day, put a bag of groceries on a desk somewhere in the
              office. Include a 5 pound sack of flour, a gallon of milk, a
              dozen eggs, a pound of sugar, a stick of butter, and
              miscellaneous flavorings. Generic stuff.

              Tell them you grabbed someone else's groceries by mistake,
              and ask each of them individually if they want to buy them
              from you. At a markup, of course.

              Hey, the store makes a profit, why shouldn't you?

              They'll look at you like you have two heads. At the end of
              the day you'll still have those groceries.

              A couple of days later, have a birthday party for one of your
              staff. If it isn't anyone's birthday, get someone to play
              along. (This works best if you time it for a birthday,
              though.)

              Play music. Have someone bring out a cake, complete with
              candles and balloons, and sing "Happy Birthday" to the
              victi... err... lucky celebrant. Do it up right.

              The next day, get everyone together and ask if they enjoyed
              the party. (Except the Grinches. Never ask a Grinch about a
              party.)

              When they say yes, ask them, "Then why didn't anyone buy
              those groceries from me?"

              The confusion will be a tangible thing. Let it simmer for a
              moment.

              "Those groceries are the ingredients that go into a cake. The
              'features' if you will."

              "You know, if I had gone in to buy that cake and been offered
              the flour, butter, eggs and all that went into it, I wouldn't
              have bought them either. I paid for a cake, not a sack of
              groceries."

              "I paid for a cake, but that's not what I bought."

              "What I bought was a party."

              "THAT is the difference between features and benefits."

              -----===(*)===-----
              End of article.

              So, Roger, what's their party?

              This is a time/money multiplier sale. An aspirin sale, with a rose attached.

              For programmers, the key is going from a multiplier of 1 - where you do the work, get paid, and repeat the process - to a much higher multiplier. The case where you do the work once and sell the same product over and over and your income per hour of work goes way up.

              Here's an excercise in benefit thinking for you: List every good thing that comes from that, in concrete terms. How much time do they save, how much more money do they make, etc.

              Now, list every good thing that comes from those concrete benefits, whether concrete (better car with the money) or intangible (more freedom, security for their families, etc).

              Now, ask yourself why they want those things.

              When you really look at the answers, and I do suggest writing them down, you'll have an aerial view of what the party is for them.

              Assuming the prospect is the marketer who wants to add hot products to their line, you're looking at a different set of benefits up front. You're talking about saving them time, cutting waste and hassles, and improving their odds of successful product development and marketing. Shaving the curve, as it were.

              For that market, do the same exercise you just did for programmers. You'll get slightly different answers to the initial questions. The further you get into the process, the more they'll start to look the same.

              We all want the same things. We just have different ways of going about getting them.

              When you write copy from the new perspective, you are far more likely to talk to what the prospect really wants.

              If you start writing your copy before you know the REAL benefits your prospect stands to gain from your product, you're going to have the same problem you (and so many others) have now: Benefititis.

              You're going to list ingredients, when you should be selling the party.


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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Roger,
                In person, I can talk/walk pretty much anyone through the processes involved, but presenting the idea of it to a random someone is what I seem to suck at.
                If you suck at it, don't do it.

                Write your salesletter as though you were talking one individual through the process. Sales copy that feels like it's directed at a random stranger is caused by failing to connect with your "Perfect Prospect."

                Another exercise for you: Run through, in your mind, the exact steps you used in your most successful coaching of a student on this subject.

                Turn that into sales copy.


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                • Profile picture of the author rwil02
                  Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                  Roger,If you suck at it, don't do it.

                  Write your salesletter as though you were talking one individual through the process. Sales copy that feels like it's directed at a random stranger is caused by failing to connect with your "Perfect Prospect."

                  Another exercise for you: Run through, in your mind, the exact steps you used in your most successful coaching of a student on this subject.

                  Turn that into sales copy.


                  Paul

                  Paul, you make me think I'm in serious danger of forgetting how to learn.

                  I'm not sure if it's age, complacency, or child induced fatigue, but I'm sure it never used to be this hard.

                  Thank you again, and I'm off to start writing thing down.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Teddi77
                    Hi Roger:

                    The headline needs to be specific. So, say you have made $1,000 per week/month using your program. How long did it take you from the beginning to actually make that money? Or, you said less than 8 hours. Is that 8 hours a week, month, etc.?

                    I'm guessing at what you meant, but here are some headline ideas; "How I earn/make $1,000 per week with only 8 hours of (easy) work" or "How only 8 hours of easy work nets me $1,000 per week".

                    Look at some of the headlines on the sales letters you can find on the product sales section of the Warrior forums for other ideas.

                    One thing I've learned from writing successful copy both on and offline for a number of years is, that it pays to study what other successful marketers are doing and it's worth it to learn to write your own copy. Once you get the basics, it gets easier and if you plan to sell other things online, your copy will reflect who you are in a way that paying someone else will not give you.

                    Best of luck with your project,

                    Regards,
                    Teddi
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                    • Profile picture of the author rwil02
                      Originally Posted by Teddi77 View Post

                      Hi Roger:

                      ...

                      One thing I've learned from writing successful copy both on and offline for a number of years is, that it pays to study what other successful marketers are doing and it's worth it to learn to write your own copy. Once you get the basics, it gets easier and if you plan to sell other things online, your copy will reflect who you are in a way that paying someone else will not give you.

                      Best of luck with your project,

                      Regards,
                      Teddi
                      Thanks Teddi.

                      I'm busy writing stuff up at the moment that should help me get a better handle on this, or at least ask better questions.

                      One that springs to mind here is
                      How do you actually tell who a successful marketer is?

                      Paul Myers and Willie Crawford (for instance) at least entertain and inform me, and since I've been subscribed for years, I know they have at least survived for longer than the average small business (no offence guys , I believe more than that, but I'm wearing a sceptics cap for this exercise). But if someone says they are successful, that really doesn't prove anything other than that they say it. Even if I took the results of a vote from here, it would be prejudiced by being from here (circle of knowledge/influence) and I would have no way of knowing if the bias was relevant or not.

                      I can make a guess based on the exposure someone gets in IM circles, but that has bias too. In fact the usual routine for an "arrival" in the last couple of years seems to be of the "has been the secret mastermind behind the success of major IM marketers X, Y and Z", adn there is a kind of circular logic involved there that makes my head hurt, as well as implying that the really successful guys generally don't like to be talked about in IM.

                      Thats kind of the down side of the internet being a great leveler, it levels perceptions in both directions.

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  • Profile picture of the author rwil02
    Writing. Actual physical writing I've actually sat down and written up a bunch of stuff I should have a long time ago. Not just about my prospects, but what I want out of business, and what's holding me back.

    This may or may not bore folk, but it might enable you to offer some useful suggestions as well.

    Sorry for the delay, real life was entertaining itself at my expense .

    What are my skills
    • Basic web design. Not graphic design, and not browser tweaks, but I can make a web page "look like this".
    • .NET programming
    • Understanding programming in general
    • Database design
    • SQL queries
    • Research
    • Managing software projects of 1 - 3 people in size
    • Integrating systems
    • Conversion/upgrade of systems
    • Producing specifications
    What are my strengths
    • Logical thought
    • Perseverance
    • Patience (when I think it is required)
    • Knowledge of systems from a wide range of industries
    • Ability to solve problems presented to me
    What are my weaknesses
    • I'm volatile, especially when tired and stressed
    • Time management
    • Writing for non-technical purposes
    • Communication in unstructured environments
    What are my constraints
    • Tiredness / Lack of energy
    • Lack of Time
    • Business must fund itself from revenue
    How can I remove my constraints
    Time available
    • Cut down full time hours
    • Plan / manage my time better
    • Pay others to do work - impacts negatively on funds short term.
    • Use an intern / training program
    • Partner with someone
    Cashflow
    • Do work myself instead of paying - impacts negatively on time
    • Increase revenue
    • Take a partner
    • Do more contract work - impacts negatively on time
    Tiredness
    • Go to bed earlier - impacts negatively on time available
    • Change my diet
    • Simpleoolgy 103?
    • How do I get my daughter to sleep through the night
    How can I mitigate my weaknesses
    Being volatile
    • Reduce real-time communications
    • Not be tired when dealing with people
    Communication skills
    • Practise
    • Pay someone else to do it
    • Partner with someone else to do it
    Time Management
    • Practise
    • Simpleology 101 / 103?
    • Find ways to eliminate interruptions
    Writing
    • Practise
    • Outsource
    • Partner
    • Improve my understanding of my target market
    Who CAN I help
    • People who want software written by me
    • People who want software written by others
    • People who want software written by a team managed by me
    • People who want to sell software that has already been written (affiliate /reseller)
    • People who want to buy rights to software that has already been written (PLR or sole rights)
    • People who want to sell software
    • Someone who has an idea for software
    • Businesses that need processes improved
    • People that need existing software rewritten
    Who do I most want to help
    • People who want software rewritten and improved
    • People who want to sell software
    • People who want me to write / manage the creation of software
    Who can I help most easily
    People who want to sell software, because I can provide something one time with minimal effort on an individual basis to begin with
    How can I help them
    • I can show them how to:
      • Find ideas
      • Evaluate ideas
      • Create a specification
      • Find existing software
      • Get software written with minimum risk
      • Check that software is not copied from somewhere else
      • Promote their software
    • I can do things for them
      • Evaluate ideas
      • Create a specification
      • Find existing software
      • Manage their software project
      • Check that software is not copied from somewhere else
      • Write software for them
    Of the ways I can help them, what do I most enjoy
    • Evaluating ideas
    • Making peoples work easier
    • Improving processes (not part of the easiest option)
    Of the ways I can help them, what gives them the greatest benefit for the least effort on my part
    • Reading my blog
    • Buying "Selling Software Online Toolkit"
    • Creating an auto-responder series for prospects
    Who is my perfect prospect for the "Selling Software Online Toolkit"
    On average, my prospect is likely to match these criteria
    • Male
    • 25 - 35
    • English speaking
    • US Citizen
    • Has some concerns about keeping or building their income
    • Knows that people can make a lot of money with software
    • Has around $800-$1000 available to invest in a software product
    • Has heard of selling online, but has at most only done affiliate selling
    • Has not personally written anything more complicated than a basic Excel spreadsheet
    • Has an idea or two that they think might be good
    • Doesn't know how to turn their idea into reality
    • Is worried about getting ripped off (fear of the unknown)
    • Is looking for assurance that it can be a simple, consistent process
    • Is thinking about the following things
      • Is it a good idea
      • How can I find out if it has already been done
      • How can I get someone to create this for me
      • What am I missing
      • What if someone steals my idea
      • How do I go about selling it
    • Excited about their idea
    What are the first actions they might take on finding my site
    • Read my blog
    • Buy "Selling Software Online Toolkit"
    • Email me asking for information
    • Sign up for prospect auto-responder

    Features/ Benefits
    • 44 software ideas
      • Quick way to get started
        • Save days of effort finding an idea that people are interested in
      • Teaches you how to assess an idea for potential
        • Helps you learn to choose the best idea
    • Proper budgeting
      • Don't spend more money that you have to
      • Don't get surprised by unexpected costs
    • How to do testing
      • Make sure you aren't fooled
        • Avoid getting cheated by coders
        • The elbow test - how to break any application
      • Create a product users are happy with
        • Increases sales
        • Psitive word of mouth
        • Fewer refunds
    • Choose the right programming language
      • Easiest fit and sale
        • Saves cost during development (pssibly 50%)
        • Better fit with your market makes it easier to sell
    • Checklist to make sure you don't miss anything
      • Confidence in your end result
        • Reduces your stress
        • Lowers cost by providing a better description of your sftware
    • Templates that are easy to follow
      • Consistency of information
        • Easier for a coder to follow
        • Fewer mistakes
        • Less room for disagreement and interpretation
    • Techniques for marketing your software
      • Get more sales faster
        • Earn more money
      • Knowing about more places you can sell
        • More widely known
        • Build your customer list faster
    • Clear outline of all the steps you need to follow to get software created
      • Confidence in your results
        • Better results
        • Less stress
      • Proven procedure
        • Make fewer mistakes
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Roger,

      DUDE!

      That's a serious outline of the things one needs to do to write their own copy. Props, brother.

      Anyone who follows that outline can save major money on external copywriters, even if they hire them. It would cut the time and expense by at least 75%...

      And you were concerned that you'd forgotten how to learn...


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      • Profile picture of the author rwil02
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Roger,

        DUDE!

        That's a serious outline of the things one needs to do to write their own copy. Props, brother.

        Anyone who follows that outline can save major money on external copywriters, even if they hire them. It would cut the time and expense by at least 75%...

        And you were concerned that you'd forgotten how to learn...


        Paul
        And here I was concerned I hadn't gotten detailed enough

        Now I just need to remember how to swap from an external to internal PoV. Since I'm a roleplayer, that's not supposed to be too hard from me.

        Thanks Paul.
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        • Profile picture of the author Collette
          What Paul said. Double.

          Props, man. That's a kick-ass "Blueprint for Success". Now if you could develop the plug 'n play software for THAT...
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          • Profile picture of the author rwil02
            Originally Posted by Collette View Post

            What Paul said. Double.

            Props, man. That's a kick-ass "Blueprint for Success". Now if you could develop the plug 'n play software for THAT...
            I probably could for most of it.

            Things that produce lists like this are typically the results of decision/option trees.

            The hard part is actually acquiring the data to populate those trees.

            Would be kind of like an optimised version of the copywriting forum

            Actually, this would probably work well as a membership web site, where all the options get built up over time by people using it.

            And I've had the same sort of idea before for writing the Risk/Assumption/Exclusion portions of specifications for larger projects.

            Hhmm, straw poll.

            1. Would anyone here find something like that useful?
            2. And worth say $5/month?
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  • Profile picture of the author rwil02
    OK. I've had it with the annoying little procrastination demon. It's both annoying and frustrating to watch myself avoid doing this, so I'm going to post what I've got so the feedback can keep me moving.

    Why would a programmer earning $90,000 per year rather stay home and sell software on the internet?

    Hi there.

    Now, I know you're kind of busy, so please, take a moment to read the next paragraph, and decide if you are interested.

    Are you:
    • Interested in making an income online
    • Prepared to put some work in
    • Able to spend $500 to $1000 to get started
    Have you
    • Got an exciting idea for a program
    • Worried about your idea being stolen
    • Had problems figuring out where to start
    If you say yes to all of those, I can help you, so keep reading.
    If you said yes to most you might be better off reading my blog for a while.
    If you said no, then this probably won't interest you at all.

    ====================================
    I'm fortunate enough to be paid well to do a job I love.
    • Great company.
    • Great pay.
    • Fun projects.

    But no matter how much I enjoy it, there is one serious drawback.
    If I stop working, I stop getting paid.

    The company I work for created a software product, split in two, and the half with the product was sold a couple of years later for $26,000,000. Not bad split 5 ways, even counting the $1,000,000 they paid out in bonuses to us. So, selling software seemed like an obvious choice to me.

    I started with something I had already written for my own entertainment. Packaged it up and put it on my new web site. I sold a few copies. Enough each year to pay the web hosting for my site. The highlight was getting a phone call from Siemens in Germany asking if I would accept a purchase order. Sure wasn't making me rich though.

    Then I tried another idea. It sold maybe $300 ever. Made me maybe $5 an hour.

    Obviously I was doing something wrong here. I knew people were making far more than that.

    So I started trying to find out what I needed to know. Kind of stumbling around like a blind man to begin with. It's hard to recognize the things you don't know, and harder still to figure out if they are right for you.

    Eventually I started to figure things out.
    • How to find out what people wanted
    • Where to look to find those people
    • How to run an autoresponder, and why I even needed one
    • Who the people were that knew the kind of things I needed to know
    • How to test sales letters and advertising
    • Where to promote software
    Nowadays I get an awful lot of junk in my email. Most of it I signed up to. Out of it, I listen to 3 people. People who can teach me what I need to know, and do it in a way I understand. People who will in fact actually answer an email if you send them one. There are another two or three that I know I'm not ready for yet, but I will be one day, so I read their emails, and sometimes it makes sense, and the sometimes is getting more common.

    I waded through all that junk to find what worked, and I have a system for doing that now.
    • Find a group of people who want something
    • Get them to tell you what they really want, which is not necessarily what they say they want
    • Plan it out and either
      • Find existing software and buy it,
      • Write it myself, or
      • Find someone to write it for me
    • Package it
    • Promote it
    • And collect the cash

    Some software I make a mistake with, and it only makes me $50 a month. Some makes me $600 a month. Some sells well for a year, some has been selling for 5 years, but every so often I add another piece to my collection, and the monthly total goes up. After all, you only pay the cost once to create it, and every additional domain costs me $20 a year to own and host.

    Like any other business, selling software requires time, money, and effort. Fortunately, if you know what you're doing you can replace almost all the time and effort with money, and as long as you make sure the money always makes more money, you can just keep moving your income up indefinitely.



    If you want to
    • Take an idea
    • Find out if it is viable
    • Find someone to write it for you
    • Pick the right person to do the job
    • Make sure it gets done right
    • Promote it in the right places
    Then I can show you how.

    Just click on the link below. Order, and in a few minutes you will have access to everything you need to start planning your own software products.

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    • Profile picture of the author rwil02
      Round Two
      If anyone is still watching, some feedback would be nice




      Every piece of software I sell makes me money over and over again, even if I never touch it again

      "Why a programmer earning $90,000 per year would rather stay home and sell software on the internet"

      Dear Future Software Author,

      I'm fortunate enough to be paid well to do a job I love.
      • Great company.
      • Great pay.
      • Fun projects.

      And I've been doing it for over 10 years. But no matter how much I enjoy it, there is one serious drawback.
      If I stop working, I stop getting paid.

      The company I work for created a software product, split in two, and the half with the product was sold a couple of years later for $26,000,000. Not bad split 5 ways. So, selling software seemed like an obvious choice to me.

      I started with something I had already written for my own entertainment. Packaged it up and put it on my new web site. I sold a few copies. Enough each year to pay the web hosting for my site. The highlight was getting a phone call from Siemens in Germany asking if I would accept a purchase order. Sure wasn't making me rich though.

      Then I tried another idea. It sold maybe $300 ever. Made me maybe $5 an hour.

      Obviously I was doing something wrong. I knew people were making far more than that.

      So I started trying to find out what I needed to know. Kind of stumbling around like a blind man to begin with. It's hard to recognize the things you don't know, and harder still to figure out if they are right for you.

      Eventually I started to figure things out.
      • How to find out what people wanted
      • Where to look to find those people
      • How to run an autoresponder, and why I even needed one
      • Who the people were that knew the kind of things I needed to know
      • How to test sales letters and advertising
      • Where to promote software
      Nowadays I get an awful lot of junk in my email. Most of it I signed up to. I had to wade through all the different information available.

      I waded through all that junk to find what worked, and I pieced together a system for creating software that I can sell.

      Some software I made a mistake with, and it only makes me $50 a month. Some makes me $600 a month. Some sells well for a year, some has been selling for 5 years, but every so often I add another piece to my collection, and the monthly total goes up. After all, you pay the cost once to create it, and that's it.
      With the "Selling Software Online Toolkit" you will
      • Prevent mistakes choosing a coder, this will save you money and get you a better product
      • Save days of effort figuring out ideas for profitable software, letting you get started faster
      • Build your sales faster by choosing the right places to promote your software
      • Follow proven procedures, with clear guidelines to save you time, stress and money
      • Build your reputation faster, and get more (and happier) customers
      • Discover how "the elbow test" can save you from frustrated customers
      44 Ideas For Software People Want To Buy
      146 pages outlining ideas, each one summarized with a benefit, a description, and commentary on how complete the ideas is, with options for improving it in different ways.

      Use this to evaluate new ideas you have, or to get started immediately.

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      • Profile picture of the author PatC
        Originally Posted by rwil02 View Post

        If I stop working, I stop getting paid.
        This is a great line. I work full-time, I have a decent income, but damn, you're right, if I stop working, I stop getting paid! I can relate to that. That's why people are worried about their retirement savings on the stock market -- they need that money for when they stop working and stop getting paid.

        From a Marxist world-view, the big gap between the capitalist and the poor worker is that if the worker stops working, he/she stops getting paid. You're offering workers the chance to be like the capitalists -- they still get paid even when they stop working!

        Reading your sales copy a couple of times, that seems to be the main "benefit" from your product.
        Originally Posted by rwil02 View Post

        After all, you pay the cost once to create it, and that's it.
        Your perfect prospect... that you listed above... Is that you? If so, that means that you can relate really well to your prospects. You can talk about yourself and still be talking about them.

        Maybe a good start would be to replace I with you. Wouldn't it be interesting to read a sales letter like this:
        Then you tried another idea. It sold maybe $300 ever. Made you maybe $5 an hour.

        Obviously you were doing something wrong. You knew people were making far more than that.
        I liked how you stated the features (checklists, 44 ideas, language reference guide...) as well as the benefits. So that way, the prospect knows what he's buying.

        I'm a sucker for lines like--
        Originally Posted by rwil02 View Post

        Discover how "the elbow test" can save you from frustrated customers
        -- the "name" gives me something tangible to desire, i.e. something "real" I can use to justify my purchase.

        But the price needs to be on the front page. I went to your landing page, read the copy and said "yes" in my mind... but what was I saying "yes" to? I didn't even know what you're charging!

        When I finally had the price in front of me, I no longer had the benefits in front of me... so the offer was basically "USD135 for umm..." And who wants to say "yes" to that?

        Something I'm still not clear on is this: do your customers build their own software, or is this course just about getting eLance contractors to make your products for you? Earlier on in this thread, you listed this whole matrix of "you can build it, or buy it, or x, or y, and this and that" but what exactly are you selling today, Roger?

        -Pat.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    Hi,

    The whole thing is about you. You mention I a lot.

    Can you flip it around a little?

    (P.S - I am not a copywriter I was just passing by).
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    sent you a pm
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