The Problem with huge swipe files is....

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Swipe files, we all have them, or at least some copies of ads we liked, or borrowed from.

Every so often, another HUGE swipe file is introduced, today, a behemoth package of swipes for a good amount of moolah.

The thing is, unless you know the details behind the ad, these compiled swipes only tell you ads that have been run, but we don't get the full results. The devil, as they say, is in the details.

I had the gold of Ted Nicholas, he at least told you if it made money, or how it fared, and gave more detail than most swipes do, well worth the money to learn from Ted, a brilliant copy guy/marketer. I think he was one of the best role models for writers/Entrepreneurs.

Another was Bud Weckesser, of Green Tree Press. When I consulted with Green Tree, we came very close to releasing Bud's swipe file, complete with the details of when the ad ran, the results, and the tweaks or tests made on the control. Bud wrote ads that pulled in millions of dollars and Green Tree was a small shop with a handful of employees.

Another GREAT swipe file, and I was privileged to have a lot of time and opportunity to review it in detail, was Ben Suarez' swipes of every ad he ever ran, and at the time, over a Billion dollars worth of sales and an ad spend into the millions of dollars.

As someone who has spent a lifetime researching and studying ads, one thing which goes unspoken among the genius copy guys, is TIMING. I dare to heresy, and say a large part of many an Entrepreneur's success was due to timing and market, as much as their brilliant copy. Although, not to discount the copy, it may have made a difference between a dud and a star product.

Sometimes, COPY is the king, and sometimes, it is where and when as much as anything.

The take away from studying swipe files, often, is to learn of the psychology or methodology behind the ad, and/or learn the writer's style.

So, sure have yourself a lot of swipes in your home file, just be sure to understand, without the details of the ad, where and when and at what cost, the control, tweaks or tests, you are really just getting some guy's opinion because he liked the ad or just filling out his product to sell to you.

Copywriting is a powerful tool in a marketer's tool kit, just make sure the hammer used by one of the greats, is the same kind you use. That may be my worst analogy ever, however, point is, find out the details if you can about how an ad performed before you start to copy it out by hand and analyze it.

GordonJ

P.S. Also, today's top IM have ad spends into 6 figures, it is costly to run ads, better for small one person bands to "busk" first, and spend after you have some mastery. Running ads, even online, is not cheap when dealing with big numbers of eye balls bought.
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  • Gotta wondah how SWIPE is what our natchrl gazmsenses do.

    Bcs, less'n I close my eyes, all succor of vzyool ravage romps on in.

    It is frickin' what light & retinastuffs does.

    Plus also ears, bcs yanno you gotta hold yr hands up or wear muffs to blot out their natchrl wisho for seeksy.

    Gonna pass ovah now any talk 'bout TASTE -- less'n you dowin' the culinary smarts steada Moi.

    My culinary brilliance demands you cut your tongue from your mouth -- hey, but thankfully for you, this is an observation/admission steada no kinda ORDAH.

    Plus also NOSE, bcs that is 4 outta the 5, an' it is shame to Moi to say so as yr nachrl Princess, but I can fart to kill a frickin' RHINO.

    Aaaaaaaaaahn so ...

    we left with *'jus* TOUCH.

    Which is why I would wish y'all to considah all evidence before yuh senses prompts yuh hintiah mind-body mechtechspec to SPAZZIM.

    "I bein' taken' for an asshole here."

    Inevitably, our one to one comms are singularly 'zotick far as our transformatschwnl potential gowin'.

    So consoom zamples, mebbe -- but nevah be consoomed yusself by repeats.

    Like HussPuss The Evah Gapin' said

    I swiped till I was full.
    I spoke till I was bull.
    I opened till I was null.
    I closed with insubtan
    CHULL.

    Experiencing Problem Children?
    Why smother them with rugs or family pets when you could paralyze them into a state of total submission with the stories of HussPuss The Evah Gapin'? Now your children can learn how ultraduff information primed to flourish in their brains c/o the forces of evil can be vaporized in an instant -- despite the TOTAL LACK of GUARANTEE they may wish to slaughter you in cold blood in maybe 2029. *tbh that rug is a smart insurance policy.*
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Thanks PrincessB,

      Always gotta let your word salads digest a day or two but then, many become brilliant insights.

      As for the sensory involvement in Copywriting, knowing that fortunes have been made selling NLP secrets to the cult, insider only stuff, most of that falls on deaf ears as it is read.

      One example: There were two 28 year old women, one with a 2 month old, the other single. They had their class reunion in 90 days and both wanted to lose 15 pounds before then, will the same "diet" and promotion for weight loss work on both of them?

      Maybe, and that is how much of weight loss is sold, and in reality, the numbers are so huge, the market so big, it more or less becomes a shotgun approach into a barrel of giant gherkins.
      But the smaller marketer, armed with the KNOWLEDGE of whom the target is, and current circumstances, or as much as is possible to know about that Avatar...can craft a targeted promotion using words which would resonate with one lady, and be ignored by the other.

      The same words written to both, could work, but a targeted personalized one should have a higher chance of working for both.

      You bring up an important point too, as in this new BEHEMOTH Swipe file, it includes VSL scripts, and as every wannabee screenwriter knows, the words on the page still need to be heard and seen within a context.

      FREEDOM! shouted by the boys riding CON AIR, may take a nuance different than William Wallace in BRAVEHEART.

      So context, as well as ornamental magnifiers come into play with video, where the eyes are often more important than either the ears as they come into play in sub vocalization or so-called emotional words or power words, or magic words...do in print media.

      Any thoughts on that?

      GordonJ



      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      Gotta wondah how SWIPE is what our natchrl gazmsenses do.

      Bcs, less'n I close my eyes, all succor of vzyool ravage romps on in.

      It is frickin' what light & retinastuffs does.

      Plus also ears, bcs yanno you gotta hold yr hands up or wear muffs to blot out their natchrl wisho for seeksy.

      Gonna pass ovah now any talk 'bout TASTE -- less'n you dowin' the culinary smarts steada Moi.

      My culinary brilliance demands you cut your tongue from your mouth -- hey, but thankfully for you, this is an observation/admission steada no kinda ORDAH.

      Plus also NOSE, bcs that is 4 outta the 5, an' it is shame to Moi to say so as yr nachrl Princess, but I can fart to kill a frickin' RHINO.

      Aaaaaaaaaahn so ...

      we left with *'jus* TOUCH.

      Which is why I would wish y'all to considah all evidence before yuh senses prompts yuh hintiah mind-body mechtechspec to SPAZZIM.

      "I bein' taken' for an asshole here."

      Inevitably, our one to one comms are singularly 'zotick far as our transformatschwnl potential gowin'.

      So consoom zamples, mebbe -- but nevah be consoomed yusself by repeats.

      Like HussPuss The Evah Gapin' said

      I swiped till I was full.
      I spoke till I was bull.
      I opened till I was null.
      I closed with insubtan
      CHULL.

      Experiencing Problem Children?
      Why smother them with rugs or family pets when you could paralyze them into a state of total submission with the stories of HussPuss The Evah Gapin'? Now your children can learn how ultraduff information primed to flourish in their brains c/o the forces of evil can be vaporized in an instant -- despite the TOTAL LACK of GUARANTEE they may wish to slaughter you in cold blood in maybe 2029. *tbh that rug is a smart insurance policy.*
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      • Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


        Any thoughts on that?

        GordonJ

        Mebbe.

        First is ... if'n I evah imbibed a weight loss product, prolly I disappear.

        But, yeah, gottah figure context is all.

        If content is king, context is kingdom -- an' it mattahs SO MUCH whethah your king is baskin' on the throne, strainin' on the john, or about to be sliced into semi-kings on the choppin' block.

        Same goes for queens, but they gaht dinkier crowns.

        Plus a couple more optschwaahns for makin' the stocks the ultimate entertainment.

        An' you right 'bout Braveheart bcs see how the language of rebellion once favored by beatnik types now bein' huppropriated by people wanna beatnik evrywan up.


        Thing 'bout evry performance space like a vid or a stage or an ad is how you can pare evrythin' back to almost nuthin'.

        Add ONE THING to the mix, and it is impossible naht to generate a narrative of sum kind.

        Add TWO THINGS, an' you gaht a natchrl momentum of suggestion & revelation.

        What evocative catalytica this be!

        Gonna take 2 words at randahm here, see what happens.

        First post here is 25 Oct, Steve is here at 2 Nov.

        So ima run with page 25 woid 10 from Harry Potter an' the Goblet of Fire, an' page 2 woid 11 from the selected poems of T.S.Eliot -- an' if I run into the, an, it, etc, I will head forward to the next noun.

        Potter reveals SCAR.

        Eliot gives us ... nuthin' bcs version I gaht starts at page 11 ... but on page 13, we gaht MINUTE.

        So ... put em' togethah, see what you gaht ...

        SCAR MINUTE

        What does this suggest to you?

        Almost impossible naht to figure sumthin' bcs yr braino natchrlly wantsta make sense outta what it sees.

        (Intrestingly, Eliot uses 'minute' in the poem in the context of time rather than size -- which is real cool for a random pick bcs it nails the context deal real smart.)

        So ... what is happnin' here?

        A skin cream hides unsightly blemishes fast? The ultimate blade-throwin' weapon to mutilate enemies? Or are we watchin' sumone ascend a mountain on halloocinogens?

        We could spin these woids togethah all ways, an' though we may wanna get ultra creative, we are always bound by the substance of both regardin' how we can flux on out with the combo.

        So here is when selected woids, selected imagry comes into play.

        Always, you wanna SET THE SCENE for the THING.

        The context, the content.


        That is why I pleased to announce my latest range of provocative-yet-comfy sports bras for the weenier gal.

        Ornamental Magnifiers give your workout real impact without the need for purchasin' extra socks.

        Why pad out and sad out when your natural allure can scale up thanks to exotic Venus Flytrap arrangements?

        Now you can add volume out front in a way that's colorful, original an' playful!

        Real handy for fendin' off lecherous types also!

        Perfect for gym, jog or Yoga.*


        *Ceptin' for summa them real bendy moves where there is a high probability you gonna be nipped in the crackhole.
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  • Over the decades...

    I built a skyscraper library of Ads. Always hoped the British Museum may be interested in them but they may not have had the space.


    To be fair over the last few years I've cut them back to my favourites and they fit nicely onto a memory stick.


    I enjoy them, the writing styles are interesting to fascinating to absolutely ace.


    And I discovered many outstanding "written" persuasion techniques - which adapted rather well to my stuff (never seen on copywriting courses, books or seminars).

    But I had no real idea how successful the Ads were to the original target recipienties.

    As we know they are many variables beyond the copy.


    Fortunately Ted Nicholas's and Joe Sugarman's epic works came to the rescue.

    By giving the results.


    And some of the Ads you may have bet - would have been super duper winners - weren't.

    The reasons why -

    Were as enlightening as the Ads were.


    Steve
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  • Princecessness,

    I've been startled...

    You mentioned TS Elliot - "selected poems"

    I recently tried to stagger through "The Waste Land."

    Because it reached its 100th anniversary (like me) - and it was talked about on the box, radio and press here in the UK. So I thought I would have a read.


    Yes, it is a classic - it does kind of grab you - much of the word play is wondrous and it tries not to let you go.

    And as the aficionado's say, it "invented" modernism.


    But my intellectualality floundered (actually it sunk after a few pages).

    And I had to escape back to Bukowski.


    Tell you what - I discovered lots of his stuff can (carefully) be reworked and used for the right Ads.

    Gives them a massive adrenaline shot.

    I have to wear protective gloves when I'm typing them.

    Because by adapting the words to an Ad - they can get scorchingly responsive.

    No credit to me - just the genius of CB.


    Steve



    P.S. Steve, why are you rambling on about Poetry? (again)

    Because a few "retired" highly acclaimed copywriters, living in the lap of luxury, suggested that other copywriters read some...


    So, if anyone is "new" to poetic prose.

    It does make a change from forever scouring through endless Ads - that may be a bit samey.


    It would be awful if after all your effort - you inadvertently wire in too much repetitiousness or become too formulaic.


    Your epics end up, sounding, looking and reading like everyone else's.

    And get cast to the trash or with one click - your web copy vanishes into cyberspace.

    (with prospects muttering, "I've already been "pitched" acres of stuff exactly like so many times blah blah...").



    Now don't run off - because surprisingly...

    Poems could be an antidote - and help turn you into an enthralling "not to be ignored but responded to" copywriter.


    Infused with magical words.

    Brilliantly placed with perfect imagery / sensory language, tone, emotion, syntax, drama, rhythm, flow, metaphors, similes, synesthesia's (Ha! that foxed you - as it did me) all done with incredible impact.


    Your very own - not readily available in copy courses - bundles of immensely useful rocket response tactics...(517 give or take).


    Over the decades I was obsessed with copwriting books, courses and seminars I forked out well over $150,000.

    Learning from the guru's and high flying working copywriters. Money well spent.


    So, what a shock (I never liked poetry!), to buy a book of poems for about $15.00 and watching a few spoken verse YouTube vids...


    And discovering "brand new to me" expertly crafted tools, phrases and lines for every situation - specifically designed - to really help - even ethically force readers - to do what you desire.


    Poets want you to "enjoy" their words - essentially "selling" you their ideas (so often with astonishing expertise).

    And you can use this "poetic" wonder knack - especially the right lines - which can easily be fittingly amended to...

    Expand your copy prowess to unique levels.


    Because you can maximise your ability to precisely elevate minds and emotions to greatly entice the good people to buy whatever you're selling.


    Again, that's what the good Poets did (selling their "thoughts") - and are still doing it - with the same poem - decades, even centuries later - I don't think they did split tests...


    Of course many Poets are long gone - but big money is still rolling in and seemingly always will - for the families and publishers.


    It might be you just find poetry relaxing (don't be too awestruck - when you start writing copy with a "new" flair and a big bump in results - you've "wired in" some rather ace abilities).


    Or it could bore you senseless (a helpful hint - ignore - in fact - flee - from anything tedious, pretentious or convoluted).


    Only one way to find out if you'll enjoy reading it...


    And see when to selectively blend the best strategies it into your copywriting...have a bash and browse through some.


    A quick disclaimer -

    You'll probably need to scan through a few poems - before ones really jump out and whack you -


    With stunning "eureka's" where you say, " With a touch of rejigging - this can work absolute miracles in the copy!" moments.


    It's a fun search and seek game.

    To find...

    The captivating copy super boosters.




    (This post was brought to you by Steve The Copywriters -

    "Poetic Conversation To Copywriting Club"

    One member so far - errr that would be Steve.


    He has asked if anyone who really, really knows all things Poetry.

    To contact him - and point him in the right poetic directions. The simpler the better for him.

    So he can discover so much more about his new enlightenment).
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  • Gotta say, verse is the rhythm beyond woids, the kinda stuffs kept sumthin' gowin' on here long aftah the dinohsewers quit bein' srsly fkoed.

    'pon which note, may I summon the loominous specter of COVID GLOW BIGSY?.

    We may dismiss him now as a guy jus wantsta slap himself in the titties without recourse to hirin' no prostratabyool manservant (yeah, yeah, always a frickin' guy), but here's what he says (dead now, but still troo):

    HEADLINE 80%a yr DOLLAH

    & here is all context yanneeds -- slipped sweetly between summoned observah an' natchrl imbiber like ... yeah, K so yanno I gonna get REAL SMUTTY HERE less'n I be dragged offa my metaphoricals back in the drection of kinda sense.

    How bettah be contexts framed than agreed reference points?

    Headlines simultaneously invite evrywan in ... an' set the scene for what is comin' next.

    An' they gotta be crayzee pertickulah.

    Tellya, I downloaded so many swipes files I could blot out a fyootyoore civilization of cyborg androids bcs gigabytes alone.

    Here be my dip of bucket into the well when ima desprit.

    It is in the naytyoore of each evolvin' day to spew an' suck real spsifick, an' I would rathah smoochie on in than breathe impropah life into dug up corpses.

    Why trust to the replicatorial vestibyools of the dead whenya can jus' make shit up?

    We all have resources. An' we all have a fyootyoore before us.

    But frickin' is this enough?

    Sumplace in the cataspazmoclysm (huh, yeah -- like the mall) there is scope for steps trooly forward outta the sideways swipesy panorama.

    I would wish to define this as MY NATCHRL YUMMYHOLE without also seemin' like no vacuous bitch.

    bcs who defines WHICH?

    Tellya, I would rathah be spanked than swiped.

    An' prolly would most anywan you wanna speak to.

    Speshly while shoppin' for stationery bcs them people can be pure filth, tellya.

    We don't like 'lines' much if'n we sense 'em ... cummin'.

    It is impersonal at best, ungenerously violent at worst.

    We all too emergently brilliant to snort on too much dust -- speshly if'n we aspirin' naht to moron out.


    FAMOUS ALSO QUOTES BY COVID GLOW BIGSY
    ***** GUARANTEED *****
    TO HENSHOORE YOU AIN'T FOUND DEAD TAMARA



    Tell the truth, but make the truth while masturbating.

    Study the mehtane of your competitors and do the exact opposite.

    Consumers do not buy products. They try product benefits.

    When you advertise fire extinguishers, put out the fire.

    If you ever find a man who is better than you are - hire him. If necessary, pay him more than you pay yourself. Treble the ****** if'n a gal shows bcs they way smartah than guys on feelsy stuffs genrly.

    I never write fewer than sixteen headlines for a single advertisement. I'm a slave to math that way, but my heart says GO CRAZY.


    Gotta hope y'all discovah sumthin' swiperbyool here you can use.
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    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    Swipe files, we all have them, or at least some copies of ads we liked, or borrowed from.

    Every so often, another HUGE swipe file is introduced, today, a behemoth package of swipes for a good amount of moolah.

    The thing is, unless you know the details behind the ad, these compiled swipes only tell you ads that have been run, but we don't get the full results. The devil, as they say, is in the details.

    I had the gold of Ted Nicholas, he at least told you if it made money, or how it fared, and gave more detail than most swipes do, well worth the money to learn from Ted, a brilliant copy guy/marketer. I think he was one of the best role models for writers/Entrepreneurs.

    Another was Bud Weckesser, of Green Tree Press. When I consulted with Green Tree, we came very close to releasing Bud's swipe file, complete with the details of when the ad ran, the results, and the tweaks or tests made on the control. Bud wrote ads that pulled in millions of dollars and Green Tree was a small shop with a handful of employees.

    Another GREAT swipe file, and I was privileged to have a lot of time and opportunity to review it in detail, was Ben Suarez' swipes of every ad he ever ran, and at the time, over a Billion dollars worth of sales and an ad spend into the millions of dollars.

    As someone who has spent a lifetime researching and studying ads, one thing which goes unspoken among the genius copy guys, is TIMING. I dare to heresy, and say a large part of many an Entrepreneur's success was due to timing and market, as much as their brilliant copy. Although, not to discount the copy, it may have made a difference between a dud and a star product.

    Sometimes, COPY is the king, and sometimes, it is where and when as much as anything.

    The take away from studying swipe files, often, is to learn of the psychology or methodology behind the ad, and/or learn the writer's style.

    So, sure have yourself a lot of swipes in your home file, just be sure to understand, without the details of the ad, where and when and at what cost, the control, tweaks or tests, you are really just getting some guy's opinion because he liked the ad or just filling out his product to sell to you.

    Copywriting is a powerful tool in a marketer's tool kit, just make sure the hammer used by one of the greats, is the same kind you use. That may be my worst analogy ever, however, point is, find out the details if you can about how an ad performed before you start to copy it out by hand and analyze it.

    GordonJ

    P.S. Also, today's top IM have ad spends into 6 figures, it is costly to run ads, better for small one person bands to "busk" first, and spend after you have some mastery. Running ads, even online, is not cheap when dealing with big numbers of eye balls bought.
    Wow this is a great post, GordonJ.

    I almost feel bad about my tiny short response on how I've used some swipe files. Rather,
    just reading great ads.

    I read them from other NICHES than my own, the ones that catch my attention, just to get fresh ideas on wording for my own niche.

    Now THAT is fun!

    I don't worry about past sales gained from the ones that catch my eye or caught others' eyes and were successful, because I feel like the originality I bring to my subscribers really helps.
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      Well, if you have an unique voice, a personality or originality...that may or could be worth more than all the secrets any swipe file might offer.

      Long time ago, a guy who called himself THE RICH JERK, wrote an off the wall, out of left field, crazy azz promotion which took the Internet by storm. Totally different from any thing else out there. His uniqueness and originality won him the day.

      Now, that being the case...it wasn't because he didn't know copywriting or ads, or had a swipe file, just the opposite...he knew his market and avatar so well, it remains one of the most spectacular promotions of Internet history.

      And there are those voices, original, organic, and we find them across a wide swath of industries too. Which is why it is great you read from other industries.

      Swipe files are like yellow highlighted notebooks...we can refer to them to refresh an idea or to look at it in a different way.

      My "attack" against them, was aimed at those newbie copywriters who will have spent a couple thousand dollars thinking they have brought the keys to the vault of becoming a high paid copywriter...and you sort of nailed the truth.

      The top A guys, the big bux pros...bring more originality and their own voices to the game, even though they have may have studied the masters for decades.

      If swipe files help anyone, they are great. But few will become better higher paid copywriters because they bought them.

      GordonJ

      Originally Posted by Troy Arrandale View Post

      Wow this is a great post, GordonJ.

      I almost feel bad about my tiny short response on how I've used some swipe files. Rather,
      just reading great ads.

      I read them from other NICHES than my own, the ones that catch my attention, just to get fresh ideas on wording for my own niche.

      Now THAT is fun!

      I don't worry about past sales gained from the ones that catch my eye or caught others' eyes and were successful, because I feel like the originality I bring to my subscribers really helps.
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