by max5ty
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What if someone is selling a house and they show an image of a beautiful house with a gorgeous landscaped yard...big trees, and a family SUV in the driveway...

then let's say someone goes by that house to look at it and it looks nothing like what was advertised...

the paint is peeling. There are dead trees with branches lying in the yard. The garage door is half ripped off. The roof is sagging, and the grass is 2 feet high and full of weeds...

is it okay that it doesn't look anything like was advertised?

And, is it okay to use the defense: 'Well, the average customer knows things are always made to look and sound better than they actually are'?

Let's say you're a restaurant and you advertise a steak dinner...

a picture of a big steak, so big it's hanging over the edge. Huge baked potato loaded with toppings.

Now let's say someone goes to your restaurant and orders that meal. The steak is small, the potato is miniature and the whole meal looks half the size and nothing like the picture.

Could your defense be: 'Well, the average customer knows things are always made to look better than they actually are'?

Actually, this type of advertising is and has been accepted by the average customer as being normal...which is another reason why customers think what is said or shown in most ads (including your piece) is usually always exaggerated.

Fast food burger places and taco places (for example), show big juicy burgers loaded with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, onions, etc...

the customer buys it and it looks like it was dropped on the floor and stepped on by another employee who was rushing around to fill orders. The burger looks nothing like the picture. The pickles are hard to find. The onions look like miniature pieces of diced something. The tomatoes can't be found without taking off the top bun and looking for them...

but, in the customers' minds, they've already been programmed to understand what is said or shown in most ads is made to look or sound better than the actual product...it's common thinking.

It's your job to be above board and break through that 'average' customer thinking where most products are not like they're described. There are several ways to do this...but for this post, I'm just pointing out how customers are programmed to believe you're probably blowing a lot of smoke.

Anyways, back to the message not looking or sounding like the product...

there's a growing trend these days where customers are suing because the message advertised isn't anything like the actual product in the fast food industry.

The response from the fast food industry?...

'Well, the average customer knows things are always made to look better than they actually are'

Customers are becoming more and more upset about the fact that puffing up a product is the norm. Your job is to overcome that subconscious thinking and show them why your product isn't just blowing smoke.

Here's an article on the matter that made me think about doing this post:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/23/busin...its/index.html
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  • Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

    What if someone is selling a house and they show an image of a beautiful house with a gorgeous landscaped yard...big trees, and a family SUV in the driveway...

    then let's say someone goes by that house to look at it and it looks nothing like what was advertised...

    the paint is peeling. There are dead trees with branches lying in the yard. The garage door is half ripped off. The roof is sagging, and the grass is 2 feet high and full of weeds...

    is it okay that it doesn't look anything like was advertised?
    If the home is sold online, without a visit, then I think it's criminal. If the people actually see the home, it's just stupid advertising. An incredibly bad way to try to sell.

    On the other hand, land that isn't developed is often sold with pictures of graded lawns, nice new homes, and streets.....because they are selling the potential.





    Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

    And, is it okay to use the defense: 'Well, the average customer knows things are always made to look and sound better than they actually are'?
    It's never smart to use that defense, because it just makes you look stupid and corrupt. And I honestly don't think anyone ever said those exact words in their defense. It's not that I think you are lying. It's that it's so ridiculous, I'd need to see proof.



    Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

    Let's say you're a restaurant and you advertise a steak dinner...

    a picture of a big steak, so big it's hanging over the edge. Huge baked potato loaded with toppings.

    Now let's say someone goes to your restaurant and orders that meal. The steak is small, the potato is miniature and the whole meal looks half the size and nothing like the picture.

    Could your defense be: 'Well, the average customer knows things are always made to look better than they actually are'?
    I give fast food places and restaurants a bit of a pass. These photos they use are not of the exact meals you get. They are idealized depictions of what is served.

    The Chinese restaurant I use has photos of meals. These photos are bought, and used by thousands of restaurants. I don't expect what I get to exactly match the photo.

    On the other hand, if it's too different, I think that's a problem. For example, you order a 22 ounce steak, and you get a 12 ounce steak.

    But these are just incredibly stupid ways to run a business.


    Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

    'Well, the average customer knows things are always made to look better than they actually are'
    If a spokesperson actually ever said those words, it would be unbelievably foolish of them, And I think they would be immediately fired. Honestly, I'd have to see a real video of a real spokesperson saying these exact words, for me to believe it.

    But I think I understand your frustration. The burgers never look like what they look like in commercials. But as long as I get all the commercial promised, I'm OK with it.

    Now, if they took a photo of the exact burger they were selling me, and it didn't match what I got, there would be a problem, or I would just never go back.

    We all have our own degree of tolerance.
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  • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
    With all the social media shaming of bad products and services,
    it seems crazy that anyone in charge of marketing would.
    knowingly exaggerate what it is they are selling.

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    @ Claude -

    I may have put my post together too quickly and lost the message I was trying to convey in the translation.

    The last time you were at say a Taco Bell, and you were sitting eating your combo meal...did you hear anyone around you unwrap their food and gasp at the difference between what it looked like in real life and what it looked like in the ad?

    Highly doubtful. And my point is most people are accustomed to the difference and pay little attention because it's how it's usually always been...

    which by the way, a link in the article I linked to talks about a guy that is suing Taco Bell because of the discrepancy. But, we all know most people (the overwhelming majority) are so used to the difference they don't think to care.

    The last time I ate at McDonalds (which is very rare) I told my partner the sandwich looked nothing like the picture that was on the ad outside. Her remarks? In a nonchalant way, she simply said: 'They never do'. It wasn't OMG take it back up to the counter and ask them to fix it. Her statement simply implied...without much thought...that was normal and to be expected.

    So anyway, the point I was trying to convey, is that people have been programmed to accept what they hear and see in ads is usually not what they will experience...which is useful information to keep in mind when structuring your message.

    Thanks for your comment.

    @ Ewen -

    I totally agree. Unfortunately, it still happens every day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    When it comes to food photography - the practice of 'prettying it up' is nothing new. Food photographers do everything from adding color to lettuce to spraying the food with a light oil to make it look fresh. You would not want to eat most of the stuff photographed...and that's not new.

    About twice a year I have a quarter pounder with cheese at MickeyD's...my last one was a couple months ago. It didn't look just like the photo - but it was fresh and it was hot and I enjoyed it.

    The proliferation of ads now seems to encourage advertisers to find some way to stand out. Remember back when a 'commercial break' in a TV program was just enough time to make a quick sandwich...with 3 commercials in each break? Now you could cook a gourmet meal in the time it takes to show 10 or so commercials at each break.

    The loud bass playing on some commercials is an example of 'listen to me' by an advertisers...and a pet peeve of mine.

    As for the 'lies lies lies' - could it be ad revenue is so high now that lawyers are targeting it as a new source of income? Those class lawsuits are really profitable for the legal trade.
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  • It was ages ago listening to the tapes from a Dan Kennedy seminar when he mentioned that all too often...

    "The pitch is always better than the product"


    And if we think back to so many of our purchases we see how true this is.

    We don't want to rely on customers apathetically accepting a well below par purchase - because it's a bit of a con - damages our reputation - and becomes extremely difficult to get repeat orders.

    Fortunately many people who have been duped just demand a refund - and they should.

    So, not only do we have to craft a top notch pitch - we have to persuade the client to make sure the product/service more than lives up to it.

    At times it can be a bit of a battle - but does make for an easier life.


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    • Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      It was ages ago listening to the tapes from a Dan Kennedy seminar when he mentioned that all too often...

      "The pitch is always better than the product"
      Weird. I always took that to mean that the marketer/copywriter always spent way more time on a sales letter or one page ad than on creating the entire book/course/information product.

      I also took it to mean that usually more could be learned from studying the pitch, than by buying the product the pitch was selling (assuming it was an information product).


      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post


      Anyway, I don't know why more small businesses don't encourage referrals by having a referral program or something along those lines. It's cheaper than advertising and gets leads that are real buyers. But, usually, most aren't able to grasp the concept of why it works.
      I've often wondered the same thing myself. I just chalked it up to small business owners not wanting to do anything remotely like studying marketing or advertising.

      So these ideas just never occur to them.

      In fact, I once gave a talk to a room of about 100 advertising reps. I asked for a show of hands to see how many are reading a book on advertising right now? This year? Ever? Nope? Not a one. One guy told me he had "Heard that there are books on advertising out there".

      In my lifetime, I have never met an advertising rep that read a single book on how to advertise. And I get almost the same response with business owners.
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      • [QUOTE=Claude Whitacre;11770208]Weird. I always took that to mean that the marketer/copywriter always spent way more time on a sales letter or one page ad than on creating the entire book/course/information product.

        I also took it to mean that usually more could be learned from studying the pitch, than by buying the product the pitch was selling (assuming it was an information product).



        Claude,

        Yes, with an Info product, or any product in a box...

        The copywriter can "see " it.
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        We delve, dissect and analyse it in 3D. Bringing forth all the unique features, advantages and benefits - aka FAB it. Add an irresistible "time sensitive" offer to reduce any prospects inertia. Include valuable bonus(es). With a no weaseling out of it guarantee. And all in all, we can create a compelling honest "must have" Ad.

        But if a client - usually with their Ad Agency - decides to hype up a product - i.e. make it seem far, far better than it actually is - that's when the trouble starts.

        The best way as Kay mentioned in her post (# 9) - and Kennedy has suggested it many times - always try to get the client to significantly "over deliver." on all the "promises."

        Customers are delighted, often deliriously astonished - and the client reaps in the rewards - bounties of more business, great "ready to buy right now" referrals and builds a solid interstellar * utterly trustworthy "we don't let you down and always give you much more than you expected" reputation.


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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    My post wasn't to argue the legalities of fast food advertising. I don't think anyone you ask would disagree the pictures don't look like the final product. My purpose was to establish a very generic example of how people have been programmed to subconsciously accept most advertising as being puffed up (for lack of a better word right now).

    By the way, I'll have to look up the bookmark, but there's a whole website that shows how these food shots are made. Wax molds, clay, and on and on. Most have nothing that comes close to being actual food. An interesting site.

    To continue, copywriting is based on the 'if this then that' principle.

    If I say this in a headline, then I expect that. An action that leads to an event based on statistical data. We always try to start out with things to trigger the best event based on past statistics.

    I understand some consider this woo hoo stuff since they're writing on a small level mostly dealing with homegrown local stuff...but I've said before, you can use what large companies do on a small level to increase your results. Little things really can lead to big results when your mindset grasps big ideas.

    Copywriters and even companies who make millions do so for a reason. It isn't luck.

    Anyways, companies spend billions studying customers to understand 'if this then that'

    If a customer does this, then based on statistics, they'll probably do that. And then go further to understand the psychological reasoning behind why they do the 'that'.

    Where I was attempting to lead with my post, was that most people are skeptical of advertising...and we can say your sales piece.

    If we want to get practical here...if you're selling a pill to relieve back pain and you haven't sold 100% of the people who have back pain...why not? Ok, that's a generic example, but, we already know that most (over 80% statistically) don't trust your offer. Another 15% are probably neutral...and 2% may order.

    So, yes, I understand I probably started out wrong in trying to explain an advanced topic. But, I was trying to lead into a way that is almost foolproof to overcome most people's skepticism.

    I've always liked studying the psychology of Copywriting...and as a matter of fact, those who want to advance and become very successful at it realize it can be a very important subject to understand.

    Thanks for the comments...they're always interesting.
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    I read that on a sex toy once.

    Now lookit Moi, FFS.


    Thing is, alla our lives depend 'pon exotically evident believability, an' advatizahs abuse our troosumness at their peril.

    Speshly if'n both parties proven to be crazy.

    My view?

    Nowan climbs no mountain to drown 7 miles down in no ocean.

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    So that is your frickin' scale dictatin' where you cast your truth or your lies.

    It is merciless in its mortal disregard for the vague -- and it will smother you entirely before you know.

    Does this narrative arc cover flyin' carpets?

    Dunno.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    people are skeptical of advertising

    A few months ago I was trying to find a particular houseplant. Found a greenhouse company online that carried it - and their service was unique.


    I ordered two fairly large plants...the company confirmed the order and included photos OF THE EXACT PLANTS that would be sent to me. If I approved of them they would be shipped the next day. If I didn't approve they'd send more photos to choose from.



    When those plants arrived they were better than expected and exactly matched the photos. I've recommended that company to several dozen people since then - true photos - what an idea!
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    • Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      A few months ago I was trying to find a particular houseplant. Found a greenhouse company online that carried it - and their service was unique.


      I ordered two fairly large plants...the company confirmed the order and included photos OF THE EXACT PLANTS that would be sent to me. If I approved of them they would be shipped the next day. If I didn't approve they'd send more photos to choose from.



      When those plants arrived they were better than expected and exactly matched the photos. I've recommended that company to several dozen people since then - true photos - what an idea!
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      Uh huh ... I cain't write that on the label?

      K ... so can we mebbe run with sum message 'bout how fresh produce guards against dysentry an' genril rot bettah than most franchise-propelled prolapsecraft?

      Janno, figurin' stuff people want is way kinda stoopid confusin'.

      Till'n you see zackly what they dowin' ...

      as they gravitate toward THE EXACT PLANTS.

      The yummy of confirmation is a superpowah best debased by lies.

      So you gotta look to where the natchrl growth is, always.

      An' is naht natchrl growth evident in its emergence?

      Bummer narrative rn bcs climatic stoopids.

      So mebbe we gotta save that one up.

      Meantimes, EXACT gotta prevail ovah WHATEVAH.

      Speshly if'n you ovah at Moi an' you invited relatives along to suffer my culinary bonhomie.

      * sniff *

      As the worst kind of Sagittarian generalist, I do so love my partickulahs!

      * sniff *

      K so now I sobbin' down botha my nostrils equally outta sum vegetable-honorin' kudos kinda trip.

      *blub*

      aw, why I outta tishoos? the hell are my tishoos?

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      For sure that is a nostril-centric disposabyool.

      So, yeah -- EXACT gotta prevail ovah WHATEVAH.

      It is in the natyoore of tangibility to presuppose all mysteries.

      Bcs how else you figure shit you don't know?

      Authenticity mattahs equally to ruminants an' aspirants.

      Lies are nevah evah exact in precisely this way.
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I've recommended that company to several dozen people since then - true photos - what an idea!
      That's one of the easiest and simplest ways to grow a business, and yet the vast majority of small businesses overlook it.

      Nobody ever expects a business to talk bad about themselves. So, it's expected you're going to hear the same thing from every small business. 'We're great, we've got the best blah blah blah'...

      but a Nielson Poll showed that almost 90% of consumers trust a reference from someone they know over conventional advertising. Yeah, I seem to be using a lot of statistics lately. And I have a whole bookmark section on them...but that's mainly so people don't think I'm making this stuff up

      So many small businesses want to pump money into getting new customers...which can be expensive. It's a lot cheaper and more profitable to just sell more to the customers you already have.

      Anyway, I don't know why more small businesses don't encourage referrals by having a referral program or something along those lines. It's cheaper than advertising and gets leads that are real buyers. But, usually, most aren't able to grasp the concept of why it works.
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    I'd be very disappointed and would never pursue it. Because of this kind of advertisement, I don't really trust what is being advertised online unless I see or try it in person.
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    Ain't talkin' bout no ZOOM SCHWANGO or CLIMATE-ENHANCED ASTEROID WHATEVAH CLUBBIN' NO SUDDENLY EMERGENT GAAAAAHZZILLA IN THE TITS AN' MAKIN' HER REAL ANGRY ... or nuthin' like THAHT.

    Like most evrywan, most evrywan forevah marryin' up expectation an circumstance so's they can walk in a straight line an' string no frickin' sentence togethah.

    So tamara ... sufficiently intagible so's nevah to be here ... yet immediately evident so's its powah commands our wakin' moments ...

    frickin' loodicrous space, I guess, butchya gotta schlump allyua messagin' here.

    The tamara where stuff is zackly same but positively changed.

    It is an impossible discourse for the summonahs of the woids to engage with/in, butchya gotta propulse stuffs on bestya can.

    In an alternative universe, I a guy called Hank, an' I service your pipin' needs without I gotta bend ovah too drastic.

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    Nevah evah forgit how nowan seeks out WORDSMITHS *aaack* bcs they serially crapola in precisely this areah.

    You gaht what they don't:

    A workin' vision of tamara, all written out neat so's their audience says ... actschlly so very little.

    X next week.

    An' X next month.

    Calandahs fulla flow.

    Like they nevah saw the Xs were all yours. Kinda.

    You gotta write for this momentum or be titsed.
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