With the right Sales Copy, could this be a $97 product?

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Please accept my apologies in advance for posting here like this....the last thing I want to do is self-promote, although I have seen that others have asked for reviews of their personal sales pages, so, here goes:

I can't make heads or tails out of which way to go with the sales copy of our sales copy.....on one hand, it was effective enough to do 5 sales, at $84.95, during it's first few hours as a WSO....

I dropped the pricing down to as low as $10, and walked it up to $17, $37, and now it is at $57....

In less than a week, it sold a little over 50 copies, dispersed over those price points.

.....one reason that I post here is because I have contacted several Warriors via PM, and, unfortunately, I don't know if they are:

1) Flat-out busy and don't want extra work...
2) or....my sales copy is TOO complex and beyond redemption...

I've received feedback as diverse as great complements....to utterly tearing the sales page apart and completely cutting it out, rewriting the sales copy, and "repositioning the product"....

Would anyone mind looking at it?
InfoBarrelSuccess.com :: Everything You Need To Know To Make Money on Info Barrel!

The product took upwards of 6 months to write and research and was pushing over 500 pages, in 6 books, but we REALLY condensed it a lot to pushing 300 pages for the entire course now....

Is this sales page beyond redemption?

Could it be a $97 product with the right sales copy, marketing, and positioning?

After receiving the course, one lady, who had purchased at $84.95, had said that she would have paid in excess of $200 for it......

Thank you!
#$97 #copy #product #sales
  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Gould
    Just from your copy I personally wouldn't pay $97, even $47 would be pushing it.

    For $97 you don't want to sell an ebook and some bonuses, you want to sell a course, or preferably THE course - it shouldn't take much effort to convert your chapters into lessons. If you get this right it shouldn't be too difficult to ask $197.

    Regarding the copy itself: it's way too busy above the fold. Get rid of your menu, stop using all those colors and drop the optin box.

    You've got most of the elements of good sales copy in place but it reads closer to an article and your design needs to be cleaner and more consistent.

    If you've been asking Warriors for a re-write, then you're right - your copy is too complex. You'll get better results asking someone to start from scratch.
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  • Profile picture of the author HowWhoWhen
    Seeing 'soldier, jail, killing' in the headline kind of turned me off at the thought of making money. Looks like a lot to digest. I'll take a more detailed look and get back to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    FWIW...here is actually the critique that inspired me to ask here....

    Critique Request for Info Barrel Success Article Mastery Course WSO

    On another note, is it ever common for a product developer to give a Copywriter a % interest in a product (for a lifetime or however long) in return for their services?
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    • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      On another note, is it ever common for a product developer to give a Copywriter a % interest in a product (for a lifetime or however long) in return for their services?

      Sure is. It's called a royalty. It's often done with big-dollar projects but can be applied to any deal. It's often done in addition to a lump sum payment.
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  • How does this Info Barrel page work? I've never heard of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
      I'd suggest starting with the advice that Daniel gave you in the copywriters board thread. It doesn't look like you've applied any of it yet.

      The multi-color headline is an eyesore. The headlines need to be overhauled as well. As Daniel said, there's a lot wrong with the sales letter.

      The header is too big. Aim for 140-150 pixels high instead.

      Make the layout easy to read instead of trying to show off high-tech/cool stuff like animated checkboxes. You don't want the reader to feel like it's work to read your sales letter because most of them won't read it.

      If you were contacting me, I would recommend a brand new salesletter from scratch which would set you back at least $1000. If you were hiring someone with track record like me, the fee would be closer to $4-6K for their help.

      Most high-quality copywriters are already booked, so depending on who you hired, it could be several weeks or even several months until they could start your project.

      You can check the Warriors For Hire and see if you can grab a deal there but definitely check their portfolio samples to get an idea of their skill. I *think* Sam Mlambo might still have a special offer available in the WSO or Warrriors For Hire section.

      Best of luck,

      Mike
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      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
        Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys View Post

        I'd suggest starting with the advice that Daniel gave you in the copywriters board thread. It doesn't look like you've applied any of it yet.

        The multi-color headline is an eyesore. The headlines need to be overhauled as well. As Daniel said, there's a lot wrong with the sales letter.

        The header is too big. Aim for 140-150 pixels high instead.

        Make the layout easy to read instead of trying to show off high-tech/cool stuff like animated checkboxes. You don't want the reader to feel like it's work to read your sales letter because most of them won't read it.

        If you were contacting me, I would recommend a brand new salesletter from scratch which would set you back at least $1000. If you were hiring someone with track record like me, the fee would be closer to $4-6K for their help.

        Most high-quality copywriters are already booked, so depending on who you hired, it could be several weeks or even several months until they could start your project.

        You can check the Warriors For Hire and see if you can grab a deal there but definitely check their portfolio samples to get an idea of their skill. I *think* Sam Mlambo might still have a special offer available in the WSO or Warrriors For Hire section.

        Best of luck,

        Mike
        Thanks Mike.

        "I'd suggest starting with the advice that Daniel gave you in the copywriters board thread. It doesn't look like you've applied any of it yet."

        I just saw it yesterday.

        "If you were contacting me, I would recommend a brand new salesletter from scratch which would set you back at least $1000."

        The sales letter you see now was done by a Warrior, for near that price. (There were some 'other' things included in the "package") Lesson learned...I guess.

        "If you were hiring someone with track record like me, the fee would be closer to $4-6K for their help."


        A quick "Yes" or "No" (because I know you're probably busy).....You have the skill to take this concept and make it a 6-figure product, assuming the changes you said were made (even to the extent of gutting out the entire sales letter)? (I know there are probably a million variables involved, but if someone is to pay $4-6K, there should be some assurance that, with your services, at least that could be made back in sales)

        Thanks for your time and advice.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
          Hi x3xsolxdierx3x,

          Just saw your reply. I'm taking a few minutes break from client copy to grab a fresh cup of coffee and answer your question.

          Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

          "If you were hiring someone with track record like me, the fee would be closer to $4-6K for their help."

          A quick "Yes" or "No" (because I know you're probably busy).....You have the skill to take this concept and make it a 6-figure product, assuming the changes you said were made (even to the extent of gutting out the entire sales letter)? (I know there are probably a million variables involved, but if someone is to pay $4-6K, there should be some assurance that, with your services, at least that could be made back in sales)

          Thanks for your time and advice.
          I can't tell you what specifically other copywriters that charge $4K or more will offer you. I also don't want to turn your thread into a self-promotion either so if you have further questions, please feel free to send me a PM or email me through my superbcopywriting.com site.

          Instead, I'll answer your question from a neutral standpoint and for simplicity's sake, I'll refer to 4K or more copywriters as simply $4K copywriters.

          The #1 thing you are buying from a more expensive copywriter is their time. Suppose we compare two copywriters: one charges $1K per salesletter from scratch and the other charges $4K per salesletter from scratch.

          Both need to do at least $4K each month to cover living expenses, taxes, business expenses, etc.

          The copywriter who is charging $1K needs to do four times more projects to make the same amount of money as the $4K copywriter. Because they have to do a higher volume, they can't spend as much time on each project... at least not unless they are going to work an insane amount of hours each week and still meet every deadline.

          In contrast, the $4K copywriter only needs to do one project per month to meet their expenses so they can focus most... maybe even all of their time and attention on the project.

          For an online salesletter from scratch, I typically spend 40 hours on the research, writing, editing, proofing, and polishing. In talking to other $4K and up copywriters, I am not alone in the amount of time spent on a project.

          The #2 thing you are buying from a more expensive copywriter is their expertise. You don't get to the point where you are charging $4K and up if you aren't getting positive results for your clients.

          Sure, maybe a copywriter can quote $5K once... but can they get it consistently? With a very good or even great portfolio and list of client testmonials, the answer is a strong yes.

          Because of their expertise, the more expensive copywriter frequently has worked with other projects where the product owner was faced with issues similar to yours. They learned from the experience (both good and bad experiences) and it's made them a wiser and more experienced copywriter.

          A more experienced copywriter often has more in-depth marketing experience and expertise. Chances are, they've been involved in a few product launches in their time too.

          Let's look at your product quickly. Consider the following to be constructive criticism.

          You're asking if you have a $97 product with the right copy... and you would be partially right. Getting high-quality copy would increase the likelihood of making more sales, regardless of the price point.

          Or as Ken pointed out, since it's making you some money, focusing on fixing what is wrong over time and testing new headlines, bullet points, etc. can also help raise your conversion rates.

          But there's two bigger issues outside of the copy.

          First, you're telling people on your salesletter that the main product is worth about $47 and then you're adding on another $300-400 worth of bonuses... and they get it all for $97.

          It's not believable. The reader is left asking themselves... why would you give so much more valuable bonuses then the main product? Why would someone do that... unless the bonuses aren't really worth as much as you say they are.

          In other words, by showing the bonuses being worth so much more than the main product it creates a decreased level of credibility to the reader. Raise the value of the main product... decrease the bonuses suggested value.

          Second, everything you're offering is an ebook which is a lower perceived value than a physical book. These days, even access to streaming video has a higher perceived value than an ebook. I'd suggest changing the product format to get your desired higher price point.

          You can also change some of the bonuses into audio or video as well. That would help because it won't just be a pile of ebooks that you're asking your prospective buyer to plow through to learn everything you're offering.

          That's a small example of what a more expensive (and experienced) copywriter can share with you. You're paying for more of their time and their skills (copywriting, marketing, and more).

          Hope that helps,

          Mike
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          • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
            This is just addressing your title of the thread as I am a terrible sales page writer. But sales copy does not make your product worth anything. Your product needs to be worth that price to begin with.

            And bonuses shouldn't be counted when it comes to charging a certain price. Bonuses are supposed to be free. If the product is worth $47 then you charge $47.

            If you say the main product is $47 but I'm charging $97 because there are all these wonderful bonuses, then give the customer the option to buy just the main product at $47. Why should we want to give you an extra $50 to get it?

            I happen to like the product - you know that - but the above is a disconnect to me.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Hooper-Kelly
      Hi x3xsolxdierx3x,

      Well, you did ask for a critique, but it''s even beyond the scope of that.

      So I'll just pick out one glaring mistake from many ...

      Putting an opt-in box on the sales letter is about the worst thing you can do, because it lets the prospect off the hook.

      They should be entirely focussed on a single decision: to buy or not to buy.

      Your sales letter must be a greased chute right from the eye-grabbing headline all the way down to the order button.

      But, by offering a third, less painful, choice, the prospect gets a way out of making the most painful decision of all - spending money.

      Truth to tell, this letter is really so out of whack even rewriting it would be a waste.

      The most sensible route would be to invest the money from your existing sales in a sales letter from scratch.

      Warmest regards,

      Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author waywardsister
    Chiming in

    I have no idea what Info Barrel is or why I should care...so when I first hit your site, I wanna know the answer to both of those things. What I do not care about are what one jail guard, etc are doing. What's in it for me? What am I going to get out of it? Why should I even read this page?

    "Now you can win with Info Barrel success" is the last line I see above the fold...and I have no desire to scroll down and read any further. All the header stuff takes up way too much room, and the different colour highlights are confusing.

    But I scroll...and am hit with an opt-in. I don't even know what Info Barrel is yet, so I am not going to subscribe to anything.

    Scroll further, and get to the actual letter. It's wordy and after several paragraphs I still don't know what the point really is, or why I should care.

    Then, I am hit with a humongous chart. It is lovely and everything, but wow is it big. And I still don't know what the heck Info Barrel is or why I should care. I have no idea if this information pertains to me or not. And I have no desire to go any further to find out (if I weren't looking at this to critique it, I wouldn't have even gotten to the chart)

    If I were sitting down with you as a client, I'd go over things in more detail and run you through a few exercises I do with clients to get to the 'meat' of things. But for now...

    Headline: sum up my challenge and the solution to this challenge right in the header, or header/subhead. Get rid of 'clear and present danger', bc it is distracting and irrelevant. Get rid of the 'how a returned soldier' etc...put ME, the PROSPECT in the header. Me, me me. I want it all about ME. And anything about YOU should only be included to support how this thing is gonna benefit ME.
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