Copywriter needed for sowtware site

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I am looking for a copywriter with good reputation to work on my sales copy for my new extension for virtuemart shopping cart.
I am looking for talented copywriter here on Warrior with budget of around $200. My product is one page checkout for magento shopping cart.
Thank you.
#copywriter #needed #site #sowtware
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    • Profile picture of the author jjsararas
      Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

      Martin...

      Welcome to the Warrior Forum.

      $200 isn't going to buy you a fat lot - you might get a copywriting critique but thats all on this budget unless you get a copywriter - who is just starting out and needs the work to help build their portfolio.

      Try putting another 0 on the end and you'll receive some quality replies.

      All the best and good luck!


      Mark Andrews...

      Hi Martin,

      While I certainly do not intend to erode the value in quality copywriting, I'm one of those people who - as Mark alluded to - is looking to start building one. I have no portfolio of experience but I'd be willing to look at your project.

      I've been neck-deep in Copyblogger (and friends) for the last year or so, and I have a strong background in sales, advertising, marketing, business management and personal development. I've written alot but have published very little as of yet.

      So if you're willing to share some details, I'll let you know if I think it's something I can confidently take on.

      You can contact me at: jeff at tacitconsulting dot ca

      Cheers,
      Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author CindyLathim
    Why don't you got to like Freelancer.com and get a bid?
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  • I ditto what MarkAndrews said... $200 would just get your copy checked...

    Or you risk having a poor copy written by someone who hasn't mastered the art yet...

    Try outsourcing on Odesk, or Freelancer... or even Guru.com
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    • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
      There are plenty of skilled writers who are willing to work for what others may call "little money" for various reasons.
      I am one of those people. I know I am good at what I do but I don't like to prance around and claim that only big bucks will get you quality work.

      I may be new here but am certainly not new to forums and to be honest I found aspects of this thread disappointing after all I have heard about this forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zentech
    Get used to it. In some minds here, if you price under $1k, you must be a hack. I wouldn't pay it too much attention. Personally, I do good work at affordable prices. I know that for a fact, and what other people say about it is their own concern.

    Also, keep in mind that Copywriter A can't charge thousands if any customer believes that he can get equally good work from Copywriter B who charges only hundreds. Therefore, it's in copywriter A's best interest to make sure nobody believes that.
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    • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
      Fair enough I guess. It still amazes me how some people think. But I know what I do and have a clear conscience. People matter more than money anyway. Thanks for the reply.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
      We're not running a charity here.

      If you can get $5k for a letter, why would you charge $500?

      There's a reason we say the more you pay, the better the copywriter; it's true.

      Sure, there are exceptions - like there are in anything - but for the most part, it's accurate.

      The better your track record and results, the more people want to higher you.

      The more people want to hire you, the easier it is to stay booked.

      The easier it is to stay booked, the more you'll charge for your work.

      You can get good work for hundreds. It's rare, but it happens.

      But as you get better, you raise your prices.

      It's not some secret copywriter conspiacy. It's just simple economics and marketing. The more in demand you are, the higher your prices.

      It's why guys like Montello, Carlton, Makepeace et al charge what they do.

      Look... the guys hiring the $500 writer won't hire the $5k writers. It's a different market, and it has different needs.

      Just wanted to squash this craziness before it gets any further...

      -Dan

      Originally Posted by Zentech View Post

      Also, keep in mind that Copywriter A can't charge thousands if any customer believes that he can get equally good work from Copywriter B who charges only hundreds. Therefore, it's in copywriter A's best interest to make sure nobody believes that.
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    • Profile picture of the author DCromwell
      Originally Posted by Zentech View Post

      Get used to it. In some minds here, if you price under $1k, you must be a hack. I wouldn't pay it too much attention. Personally, I do good work at affordable prices. I know that for a fact, and what other people say about it is their own concern.

      Also, keep in mind that Copywriter A can't charge thousands if any customer believes that he can get equally good work from Copywriter B who charges only hundreds. Therefore, it's in copywriter A's best interest to make sure nobody believes that.
      True to a point, yeah I agree. Dan several good points as well. I can't imagine there have been too many people that have come out of the gate with the ability to write a $5k sales letter and regularly charge that money. We all start low, so I guess we're all hacks at some point or another

      I know I am, and I know what my copy is worth. A few hundred for some site content or a big chunk per month for complete blog management turns into a bigger chunk later. I'm ok with that, hence the willingness to grow.

      Should probably stop hijacking the thread now so I'll contribute something to the author: I would recommend Elance.com - I'd offer my own services but I'm completely booked out right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author ericthered
    martinsbca, shoot me an email to: eric at topnotchmarketing.org
    with some details, we can talk.

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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    There are lots of entrepreneurs who simply cannot afford a 5k fee. There are lots of competent copywriters who charge considerably less than 5k `Are they unwelcome here?
    Definitely not - and in fact, that was exactly my point.

    As I said, they're very different markets.

    Writing copy for $500 (or less) does not automatically deem you incompetent.

    But in most cases, a $500 copywriter won't have the skills and experience to match the $5k copywriter, who again won't have the skills and experience to match the $15k guy... and so on.

    Case in point - I used to refer a little bit of work to David Babineau when he was cheap (he works in a DR firm in Colorado now - don't think he freelances much).

    Dave wrote a letter on walking a cat on a leash (of all things) - and absolutely hit it out of the park.

    And he did it for $500.

    Of course, his prices went up pretty quick (and I hear his salary in Colorado is pretty comfortable, too). But I just wanted to clear up that I have nothing against cheap writers, specifically... after all, we all gotta start somewhere.

    It's unfortunate, however, that many crappy copywriters pollute the marketplace with their cheap-as-chips copy when they can't write. On the flip side, you get guys like Dave who are (was) cheap but CAN write great copy.

    The good copywriters tend to start charging more, while the crappy ones stay cheap for years.

    And yeah... I'm sure there are exceptions to all these rules.

    I was also pointing out there's no "copywriting conspiracy", as Zentech kind of alluded to - there's just the simple economic reality of a free market.

    -Dan
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  • Profile picture of the author maximus242
    I think the issue was dirt cheap copywriters claiming to be as good as A list copywriters *eyes roll*. I agree there's no reason to chase away entreprenuers
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    Don't worry man... you can still sell Hollywood on your new action/thriller starring Robert De Niro.

    "$500? FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS? For a full ****in' sales letter? You insult me. Joey, Mikey... teach this guy a lesson in respect."
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    • Profile picture of the author Zentech
      I was also pointing out there's no "copywriting conspiracy", as Zentech kind of alluded to - there's just the simple economic reality of a free market.
      I don't think I was clear. I agree that it's just a market reality. No argument there, and there is no conspiracy.

      I think the underlying issue is that some of us do get a bit uncomfortable with the constant implication or even the open statement (from some quarters) that if we're charging low prices, we're hacks. I don't think you're saying that, by the way. But it has been said, and it's often implied.

      It's unfortunate, however, that many crappy copywriters pollute the marketplace with their cheap-as-chips copy when they can't write.
      There are a few of these guys out there, sure enough - but I haven't seen a whole ton of them. For example, everybody I've encountered so far at WF (including my fellow lower-priced writers) has had talent.

      Also, I have a feeling that if the crappy ones started charging 2 or 3k and somehow got a few clients, they would look better in some people's eyes for no other reason than their price point.

      I'd agree that it's pretty safe to say that the $5k+ guys are a solid bet. But even in the $2k range, I think it's a crapshoot. Anybody can write a few phony testimonials, make a few contacts, make a portfolio of fake sites, and jack their rates up into the thousands.

      I don't think anybody here at WF is doing that, by the way. But it can be done. Some of us are charging low prices because our real, actual portfolios and connections are not too extensive yet. It doesn't automatically make us hacks.

      We're not running a charity here
      Very true, although I personally don't see myself ever charging $5k for a sales letter. I currently plan my USP to be top quality at lower rates. Even when I have a strong portfolio, I don't think I'll try to get the astronomical rates. It's just not my speed.
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  • Profile picture of the author maximus242
    This is what it boils down to. A good copywriter is a good salesman, if the salesman dont bring in the sales, hes not a good salesman. If you dont produce sales, your not a good copywriter. Opinions are irrelevant. Only sales matter. Anyone who says different is trying to steal your money.

    Thats why we all hate Madison Avenue marketers so much. They get away with piss poor advertising because they dont track anything so nobody ever knows they're not selling. A study of Fords advertising showed that people not exposed to their ads actually bought MORE Ford product than those who did see them.

    Their ads were actually unselling their customers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zentech
    Fact. A good copywriter is a good salesman, if the salesman dont bring in the sales, hes not a good salesman. If you dont produce sales, your not a good copywriter. Opinions are irrelevant. Only sales matter.
    100% correct. I bring my clients sales for less than $1k.

    The big names bring their clients sales for $10k.

    I agree that it's two different markets - and yet, people are people. There's little or nothing different about Eben Pagan's prospects than mine or yours. People can be sold by those who know how to sell them. The top copywriters do, and they can prove it with tons of evidence - thus they make tons of money.

    Some of us lower-priced guys also know how to sell - we just can't provide a ton of evidence of that quite yet. Thus, we have to charge lower prices, and endure being thought of as "cubs" or worse. It doesn't mean we are crappy salesmen. It just means we need some time to establish ourselves.

    I am quite certain my clients have all already made thousands off the $297-397 sales letters I've done for them. Some of them have even told me so. They are definitely buying money - but until we make a name for ourselves, some of us are pretty much forced to sell money cheap.
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  • Profile picture of the author maximus242
    That is the biggest load of B.S. I have ever heard. One guy charged $30,000 for his first sales letter ever.

    If you can sell... then just sell your copywriting services at whatever price you want them. Good salesmanship has no regard for price. That said it should be on par in terms of quality with other writers at that price point. Preferably higher.

    I am extremely skeptical of the claim that you can sell as well as an top copywriter. I think you are ridiculously arrogant to claim that.

    If thats TRUE then just write a piece of copy, pull a 5% conversion rate, sell the product for $50 and you can make $500 a day easy.

    $50 a sale x 5 sales per 100 = $250. Minus 0.50 per click is $50 per 100.

    Which is $200 profit

    Bring in 1000 visitors a day and thats $2000 a day profit

    Which is more than your copywriting services. So there you go, if you really, truly know honest to god how to sell -- as well as you claim to. Then go sell your own frigging products, boast 5% conversion rates and make more money in a day than you would all week selling copy.

    After that you can sell as many clients as you want when you've shown how much money you made.
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