Why Copying is Killing Your Profits...

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Hi guys,

I've been doing a lot of critiques lately...

...and there's one thing I'm running into a lot.

It's people who have an otherwise solid (if not stellar) grip on how to write decent copy destroy their letters by trying to shoehorn them into a mold the "market leader" has set.

Now... all great copywriters I know have a swipe file... even if it's just in their heads.

And a lot of them have copied stuff at one point or another... even subconsciously.

But blatantly ripping off other people's letters can get you into serious trouble.

I'm not talking about IP theft or copyright here... although that can be a concern.

I'm talking about selling in general.

Now... I get a lot of people that write sales pages aren't actually copywriters.

And in that instance... using someone else's letter as a template can seem like a good idea.

After all... you don't know what you're doing...

...so why not borrow ideas from someone who has?

But there are a couple of problems with that scenario.

First of all... most sales pages are horrible.

Most internet marketers - even big name gurus - get it wrong a lot of the time.

Ask any established copywriter - they'll have stories about "big names" destroying their work and then blaming them when the letter doesn't convert.

On top of that... for every launch done with an established copywriter... there are tons more done with guys doing $100 salesletters on elance or whatever.

Why?

Because (for example) Frank Kern or John Reese don't need great copy to sell their stuff.

Every other element - scarcity, bonuses, and "their brand" is so solidly in place they could have nothing but a button that says "buy now" and still sell out their coaching slots (or whatever).

Which brings me to point #2...

You are not the big boys.

You can't rely on insane levels of affiliates... piles of traffic... and massive JVs to help you sell.

When you don't have that "big name"... everything you do is going to be far more closely scrutinized by your partners etc... because they will EXPECT you to screw up.

When you get to the level of guys like Kern, you can practically do no wrong... you've got a cult following.

But when you're an average guy selling something you've gotta work 10 times as hard for the sale.

Now I'm using IM products and names as examples here... but it happens through all markets.

For example... Fat Loss 4 Idiots.

The page converts like crap... yet people continue to copy it... to their detriment.

Remember... the market leaders are just people like you and me.

They're far from perfect... and often the bigger they are... the lazier they can be with their sales funnels.

They're prey to employing idiots... making poor decisions... and simply not caring - just like the rest of us.

So don't assume that they're doing the best thing... or even good things.

Now... I'm not saying ignore what everyone else is doing.

You and your market don't exist in a vacuum. It's important to check out what other people are doing - and swipe the ideas you like.

But please... use your common sense when you evaluate a page or letter. If you think it stinks... it probably stinks... regardless of who signs it.

You won't be right all the time... but you'll probably be a lot better off than copying some poorly-written sales letter as what works.

-Dan
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Hancox
    Hey Dan

    Awesometacular advice. (Who said copywriters can't make up new words?)

    I'd also add a strong reason NOT to copy the market leader's "copy" (let's call this Product AAA)... many potential customers may have already read Product AAA's copy ... and when Product BBB comes along and copies the look, feel and style of Product AAA, the potential customer is going to think,

    "Hmmm... where have I heard this before?"...

    ... and think back to Product AAA ... and then start a search for reviews, to see which is better...

    ... and naturally, will find far more reviews of Product AAA (because it's the market leader).

    Result: They buy Product AAA, making the assumption that Product BBB is just a pale imitation.
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    • Profile picture of the author craig crawford
      I must admit I've been reading alot about copywriting lately and its fascinating!
      I'd love to perfect it and be original, half the battle seems to be original it seems!
      After all especially newbies, They do not have a scooby doo on what to write!
      I find myself drawn to these kind of threads more and more! i love it! lol
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      • Originally Posted by craig crawford View Post

        I must admit I've been reading alot about copywriting lately and its fascinating!
        I'd love to perfect it and be original, half the battle seems to be original it seems!
        After all especially newbies, They do not have a scooby doo on what to write!
        I find myself drawn to these kind of threads more and more! i love it! lol
        I think becoming a good copywriter it is best to follow this path:

        1. Practice being a good writer.
        2. Learn WHY different copywriting tactics work.
        3. Put your study into new copy every day and test it.

        I was told one time "you writing isn't worth sh*t!" Of course I replied "My writing IS worth sh*t!"

        If you can't write gooder than the next guy, you ain't gonna make a good copywriter.

        Most newbies create swipe files of classic headlines, closes, etc. Problem is they don't have a clue WHY those headlines work. If you first study WHY copywriting tactics work you are better able to understand what tactic works best in what situation.

        Testing is the single most overlooked dynamic to good copywriting out there. I am a mediocre copywriter, but I am the "Old Spice Man" of testing: "Look at your copywriter, now look at me, now back to your copywriter, now back to me. Sadly, your copywriter isn't me. But if you force him to test he can get results like me."

        Swan dive.
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        • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
          Originally Posted by Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter View Post

          I am a mediocre copywriter, but I am the "Old Spice Man" of testing: "Look at your copywriter, now look at me, now back to your copywriter, now back to me. Sadly, your copywriter isn't me. But if you force him to test he can get results like me."

          Swan dive.
          Stand down, Bidwell...

          Little known fact - RAYDAL IS THE OLD SPICE MAN!

          The proof is in the muscularly mantastic mustache...

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  • Profile picture of the author Hans Klein
    Excellent post Daniel. It's mind-blowing... almost heart-breaking (well, kind of)... how little even some of the most well-known guys know about copywriting. They do well without it, sure (because other ingredients are in play)... BUT they could be making so much more.

    The biggest mistake I see is when marketers think "You just have to add screen shots of money," throw-in some fake scarcity tactics, or testimonials. Sure, proof and urgency are important.

    However, it's got to make sense... scarcity or proof is going to be a LOT more powerful and believable when it's based on real, relevant facts. Solid "reason why" copy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karate Kid
    Great advice, Daniel. Especially since the act of copying copy from "market leaders" are so prevalent these days.

    A lot of people just assume #1 CB product would have strong copy so they just rip off that stuff.

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  • Profile picture of the author ASCW
    I think it is important to analyze and LEARN FROM not STEAL FROM other people's work. For example going through the work of copy writing greats, I mean established names that have been around and know what they are talking about not the latest guru who's list you happen to be on, is a good idea. However there is a big difference between taking their page as a template and filling it in with your own words and going through their page analyzing why they are doing what they are doing and how is works, and then trying to replicate the fundamentals in your own letter. Before one can do this they need to have a good understanding of the underlying basics of copywriting, and should have read plenty of books AND have sufficient experience and practice under their belt.
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanParenti
    Originally Posted by Daniel Scott View Post

    It's important to check out what other people are doing - and swipe the ideas you like.

    But please... use your common sense when you evaluate a page or letter. If you think it stinks... it probably stinks... regardless of who signs it.

    You won't be right all the time... but you'll probably be a lot better off than copying some poorly-written sales letter as what works.

    -Dan
    I agree that this can be a big pitfall. But it is pretty easy to know what to mirror and what not to.

    Personally I look at sales letters of products that I want to buy. Or look at the sales letter and see if it makes me want to buy. That is usually a good place to start.

    If it makes me want to buy it I feel that the copy is good and I try to pick up the elements that influenced me to want to buy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Hancox
    Another reason you shouldn't just COPY the market leader...

    They may have a completely different marketing "funnel" to you, and may be pre-selling in a different, perhaps more effective way.

    Let's face it, if you've done a lot of powerful pre-selling and/or selling by email or through affiliates, then all they may need to do is put a headline, bullets and a "Buy Now!" button on their site, and people will buy.

    YOU cannot replicate that, without having your visitors go through the same prior sales process.

    There's much more to a good conversion rate than just the sales letter.
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    • Profile picture of the author perryny
      Kevin, I keep clicking the Add To Cart button, but it doesn't seem to be working! Help!
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      • Profile picture of the author BobV
        A very good post you just put in there man...

        Be proud of what you can and cannot do for these are the characters that completes you...

        Why copy if you can do it on your own version? Put a bit of final personal touch by adding on the lessons you have learned from the previous ones of similar content that didn't seemed to work..

        Opportunities are given to those who deserves them...


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