Is there a list of affordable copywriters

by BJ Min
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hi,

i usually do all my copy but looking into hiring someone to improve conversions for my sales pages...

do you guys know of any recommended copywriters who can do a
basic sales page (selling an ebook) for under $500?

thanks
BJ
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  • Profile picture of the author BJ Min
    ok...so is there any popular $1000 range sales letter writers?
    whose the best here for that range?

    what about $500 or lower range?

    i just want to hire someone who is well known and does a great job...because there seems to be so many and tough to find that ONE FIRST person to try out...

    thanks
    BJ

    ps...if you are a copywriter and interested, please pm me...
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    • Profile picture of the author Collette
      Originally Posted by BJ Min View Post

      ...i just want to hire someone who is well known and does a great job......
      And therein lies the rub.

      If they're well-known and do a great job - they probably ain't charging $1,000 or less.

      Here's the other thing: there is no such thing as "a basic sales page".

      Some products are easier to sell than others. Some e-books are easier to sell than others. This is why professional copywriters usually say, "It depends", when asked to quote blind.

      Anybody who gives you a flat quote without knowing at least the basic paramenters of the project - and therefore cannot possibly estimate how much time/research/work the project will take - is an amateur.

      However, here's what might work for you:

      Spend some time cruising the threads here. Pick out a few people who you feel you could work with. Check out their web sites or PM them with more specific information about your project and your request. Proceed from there.
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      • Profile picture of the author Collette
        Originally Posted by Richard smalls

        I don't know of any here who are good, or even close to it

        How to make friends and influence people. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Murdaugh
    Hey BJ,

    It's pretty tough to find good (and next to impossible to find "great) copywriters for less than $1,000.

    I did my first few letters for around $500... And then as the results came back and I built up some credibility my fees went up with it.

    And there's a reason for it...

    Anyone who can consistently crank out sales letters that convert, the value on their time goes up and so does the demand for their services.

    A good sales letter can easily be a 40 hour job. At $500, after taxes, you're looking at minimum wage.

    At $1,000 after taxes, you're making maybe $10+ an hour.

    You *might* get lucky and get someone who's a natural but just starting out. But it's tough to do.

    Usually 2 things will happen to copywriters in this price range...

    1. They can't produce results, and charging for copy that doesn't produce is NOT a fun job. They can't climb the pay scale and they find something more valuable to do with their time.

    2. They produce results, and quickly realize that if they don't raise their fees they'll forever be slaving away for just enough money to skim by. And the fees raise naturally as results come back.

    A lot of great copywriters won't even freelance, they'd rather focus on selling their own stuff, because they can, and that's smart.

    The bottom line is anyone who can consistently write copy that converts customers into buyers and make their clients rich...

    They quickly realize the value of their work is much more than $10 per hour.

    Finding someone in that price range who's well known and produces results is going to be tough.

    I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

    Good luck! (And $1,000 can go a long ways towards a down payment or partnership of some kind).

    -Scott
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    • Profile picture of the author MontelloMarketing
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      Originally Posted by Richard smalls View Post

      I don't know of any here who are good, or even close to it, but you can look into such sites as:

      CraigsList
      Indeed
      Send an e-mail to Carol Tice to ask. CarolTice.com, She has a lot of contacts.
      Mine: TheList.FM/SellMore.htm
      Elance

      If it is not one of those ol'-so tiresome looooooong pages, with the big ugly red text, I can do one for under $500.

      Many who are good can do it for under that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andrew Gould
      Originally Posted by Richard smalls View Post

      I don't know of any here who are good, or even close to it
      You're going to be a very popular guy here.
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  • Profile picture of the author BJ Min
    thanks everyone for the response...and all those who did contact me...
    i was able to find my first copywriter here...

    will keep you guys in mind if i ever need more writers...

    thanks!
    BJ

    ps...no offense about the pricing or question...i've hired other outsource workers but not copywriters yet until now...that's all...thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
      Originally Posted by BJ Min View Post

      ps...no offense about the pricing or question...i've hired other outsource workers but not copywriters yet until now..
      Funny, but a low-ball RFQ is a lot less insulting than the idea of being anybody's "outsource worker".

      I mean ZERO OFFENSE when I say this, as I suspect you do just fine, BJ. But there's a paradigm shift that you, like many, need to make in your mind before you're ready to hire a serious pro.

      And it's not just about the $,$$$ - $$,$$$ (+/- %)

      A serious pro-level, world-class copywriter is NOT an outsource worker.

      In the music business, we're Triple Scale Session Players... and you pay for the cartage.

      Why? Because you've got a much better shot at a hit record with me playing on it than that other guy working "off the card".

      Are they all hits? Of course not... but they're usually damn good.

      The world is fickle. Ain't that a pickle?

      Anyway, I do hope it works out for you with whomever has stepped up - and I certainly don't wish to demean them in any way with this post.

      I'm just sayin'... if you want Vin to write something for you? Mindshift.

      Want Raybould to write you another #1 Clickbank letter? Mindshift.

      Wish David Deutsch would write a health package for you? Good friggin' luck.

      I consider each of those guys a personal friend, and I can tell you first hand they're great guys with superhuman skills. But you'll never experience that if you consider them "outsource workers"...

      We're SO much more than that.

      Best,

      Brian
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    • Profile picture of the author Collette
      Originally Posted by BJ Min View Post

      ps...no offense about the pricing or question...i've hired other outsource workers but not copywriters yet until now...that's all...thanks!

      No offense taken. Those parameters would immediately weed out a bunch of copywriters from replying to your request. That way, you don't waste their time, or yours.

      But you might want to read McLeod's post anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author lenlatimer
    What is your definition of afforable? If you pay someone $5,000 and they make you $25,000 is that more or less affordable that someone you pay $500 and they make you $2,500? Usually, buy not always, there's a reason one charges a higher price. Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author seoweb2000
      Originally Posted by lenlatimer View Post

      What is your definition of afforable? If you pay someone $5,000 and they make you $25,000 is that more or less affordable that someone you pay $500 and they make you $2,500? Usually, buy not always, there's a reason one charges a higher price. Good luck.
      Totally agreed. The fee is relative to the actual value . I know John Carlton gets tens and tens of thousand.

      I would recommend his course if you havent seen it.
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    For Sale

    Dead horse. Thoroughly beaten.
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    HAHAHAHA...... 40 hours to write a sales letter???

    are you kidding me?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jack Bastide
      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      HAHAHAHA...... 40 hours to write a sales letter???

      are you kidding me?

      I can write a 30 Page Long copy Sales Letter in 20 Minutes .. Including Research and Editing

      Seriously ...

      Jack
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      • Profile picture of the author Collette
        Originally Posted by Jack Bastide View Post

        I can write a 30 Page Long copy Sales Letter in 20 Minutes .. Including Research and Editing

        Seriously ...

        Jack
        As soon as you said "Seriously..." I knew that was a bald-faced lie.

        I've never known you to be serious.:p
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        • Profile picture of the author Jack Bastide
          Originally Posted by Collette View Post

          As soon as you said "Seriously..." I knew that was a bald-faced lie.

          I've never known you to be serious.:p
          Serious is no Fun

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      • Originally Posted by Jack Bastide View Post

        I can write a 30 Page Long copy Sales Letter in 20 Minutes .. Including Research and Editing

        Seriously ...

        Jack
        Are you joking? So whats your magic method? If you dont mind sharing?

        I cant even READ 30 pages in 20 minutes.... jees well maybe but really? Come on.

        Maybe if you are smoking crack and downing a gallon of coffee at the same time....
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    • Profile picture of the author MontelloMarketing
      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      HAHAHAHA...... 40 hours to write a sales letter???

      are you kidding me?
      Don't know why you're laughing. That's how long they take me to write. And my sales letters have sold millions in merchandise.

      And Jack, really? 20 minutes? Is that writing or swiping? I don't think you can even type 30 pages in 20 minutes. I don't think anyone can.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jack Bastide
      Vin I was being facetious

      you know how us New Yorkers are

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    • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      HAHAHAHA...... 40 hours to write a sales letter???

      are you kidding me?
      No joke. As serious as a heart attack.

      It's the research side of things that takes me the most time. It's reviewing the client's entire product to find the juicy nuggets that can be turned into great bullets or killer headlines. The bigger the product, the more time needed to review it.

      A client project is easily 40 hours for me... I'm working a project now for a major mailer that is easily 4 weeks worth of research and reading before I can write a word of copy for them. That's why they've given me 8 weeks to deliver the copy... it's a ton of materials to review.

      If it's my own info-product, I've already done a lot of research, target market analysis, and competitor analysis before creating the product. After all, I don't want to create a product that no one wants or there's no market for, right?

      So for my own product, it's significantly less time to write the salesletter because I already know the product... the market... the hot buttons of the target prospects... and so on.

      Client project... I have to learn all of that and more.

      That's one of the reasons why well-known copywriters charge thousands for their help. It's not just their copywriting skills... it's the amount of time they're about to commit to your project and the time after it launches to continue to help you raise the conversion rates even higher.

      Hope that helps,

      Mike
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    • Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      HAHAHAHA...... 40 hours to write a sales letter???

      are you kidding me?
      A good salesletter (one that continuously converts) is NEVER finished...unless you just stop testing and increase conversions.

      40 hours? ha. 40 hours ant nothing.

      Ive spent months on just ONE sales letter before. I would question anyone who claims to be a copywriter and only charges 500.00.

      Unless they were doing it for credibility.

      I also second what Mike said...If you know the market and the product its a lot easier and you can write it a lot faster.

      I can write a sales letter (to a market I know well) in maybe 5 hours. It wouldn't be fantastic copy but it would convert.

      But off the top of my head there are only a few markets I know THAT well and the only reason I do is because I've already written a lot of copy in both.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Murdaugh
    40 hours to write a sales letter???
    Not always, but yeah.

    Generally about 10 hours talking with the client about traffic, the sales funnel, who they want to target, competition and whatever else the client wants to talk about.

    Depending on the product it can take 10+ hours to go through easy. I've written copy for products with over 10 hours of video alone. Going through that stuff and grabbing bullet ideas takes forever.

    And then you've got other research, another easy 10+ hours checking out competition, learning more about the market, etc.

    When you get to the actual writing, sometimes I'll burn through 10+ ideas/approaches to the copy before I settle on one. And then you have to write it. And then you have to edit mercilessly.

    I'm not saying every sales letter takes 40 hours. But going into it as a copywriter it's a lot smarter to plan for 40 hours and finish in 30 than it is to plan for 4 hours and finish in 40.

    Writing a sales letter is quite often a 40+ hour job easy. I think most copywriters would agree with that.

    And if you don't take the time to do it right, it'll show.

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  • Profile picture of the author cpace32
    I would agree with most everyone here- you get what you pay for with copywriters. I don't know about you, but I can't write copy, and find someone who can write good copy invaluable.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ross Bowring
      Takes me 80-90 hours. About two weeks work.

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      • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
        Originally Posted by Ross Bowring View Post

        Takes me 80-90 hours. About two weeks work.

        --- Ross
        It can take me even longer. But that's usually because I find I have to squeeze out info from the client.

        If I have everything to work with, it would probably take me about a 1-2 weeks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jack Bastide
      Originally Posted by deannatroupe View Post

      You should never take Jack seriously!

      This is True

      How ya doing Deanna?

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  • Profile picture of the author tony sanders
    Hi Vin.

    Thought I'd actually pop by the forums for some entertainment.

    I wasn't disappointed.
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    • I'm envious of the lot of you.

      I've been in the game for 20 years.

      And after all the client discussions, research etc etc ....(which takes ages)...

      When it comes just to the actual writing and at least 137 edits - I have never been able to write a sales letter in under 100 hours.

      Sobs

      P.S. And a two page letter takes me even longer...
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  • Profile picture of the author GenerousBoy
    Hey, anyone looking for a copywriter, look me up. if you're tight on budget but your project looks like fun (and not too much hard work!) i'll do you a deal. talk to me anyway. i've 15 years' experience working at some of London's top agencies.
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  • Profile picture of the author HenryCorbett
    Hey BJ Min,

    To be honest, $500.00 (which is what, £350) probably wont get you any
    good copy.

    The first pro I hired cost me just over 2K(GBP) but I werent selling
    and Ebook so it was well worth it.

    If I were you I would look into getting a High Quality license and
    spending the bigger money to get a Good writer.

    In the end, its the same amount of work - just bigger returns!
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    • Profile picture of the author Bullett
      There's some people here in this thread saying that it takes anything from a few hours to 1-2 weeks to write a salesletter. You may be interested to know that Gary Bencivenga takes up to 3 months on one of his packages.

      He also earns...or used to earn before he retired...millions from a single package he writes.

      Coincidence?

      I think not.

      I don't know Gary personally. But I do know...and have personally mentored under...one million-dollar copywriter who writes for Boardroom and all those big companies.

      He takes around two months from start to finish. Sometimes more.

      All the best copywriters take a good deal of time on their copy. Which probably has something to do with them being the best copywriters around.

      As a side note, Gary B. advocates getting 7 times more research than you actually need.
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