Considering this new risk reversal... Am I insane?

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30 day money back guarantees were shocking at one time and so massively boosted conversion. These days everyone expects one and so while you'll suffer for not having it, no one's going to be surprised enough at this guarantee that it's really going to be a huge conversion boost.

That got me thinking to what the pain points with the normal guarantee are, namely that it often runs out before you've had a chance to try the product if you're busy and that you end up with another "to-do" if you want to cancel in writing and email saying that you want to cancel. Many people also feel they need to say why and are embarrased about it.

So what I'm considering is giving people the ability to cancel at any time with a few clicks from inside their account and get 100% of the money back. No time limits. No emails.

I've read that a bunch of testing showed that the longer a guarantee was the less people used it, thus the "anytime" part.

I'm sure that with this, I *would* get more cancelations, but it seems ballsy enough that if made a prominant feature would also raise sales, and providing my service (an online, software based service for a low-tech market) is also very cheap. We'd also ban credit card numbers that had been used on cancelled accounts to try and minimise scammers.

I know that the first answer would normally just be "Test it." which I will do, but if it tests poorly, I'll still be required to honour it to anyone who signed up during the test, so I wanted to do a sanity check here first.

The only real issue I can see is that when eventually the service closes down (hopefully not for years) that I really wouldn't want every customer who ever bought from us asking for their cash back. When we do eventually exit (which we have no plans to do, but happens to everyone some time) we will be releasing all the resources our customers would need to recreate our service, for themselves as a softener. Obviously anyone who had bought recently we'd refund without a second thought. I'd just rather not be refunding people from 10 years ago who hadn't used the service in 9...

So... could this work? Do you think it would be flaming, fireball of business death? I'd love to hear opinions (with reasons why)!
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  • Profile picture of the author Collette
    Is this a one-time or recurring fee?

    If one-time, you're probably safe going for it.

    If it's recurring, and the service goes belly-up at some point, you could have some exposure issues. You might want to check with a lawyer re: liability before you go with the 'lifetime 100% refund' because those could wind up being some mighty big numbers...
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross Bowring
    "Give until it hurts" is the Abraham influenced guarantee mantra.

    I just upped a company's guarantee from a 60-day to a 1-year guarantee. And so far... big, big difference in conversions.

    With the variables you outlined... you might get hurt too bad with a lifetime "couple clicks guarantee"... but maybe 6-months... 1-year...

    Something along those lines.

    --- Ross

    P.S. And what Collette said...
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  • What ever you do NEVER EVER Give a 100% lifetime refund option!

    Just think why would Nike give a 100% lifetime refund on a watch that could break in the next 5 years or even go out of style for that matter.

    Same with your business It might be booming right now but 5 years down the line it could go belly up and no longer work or it could no longer be popular.

    Then what for those 5 years of making money, you now have to give it all back on the 6th year?

    DO NOT DO IT!

    Any Business man or woman will tell you the same thing!

    To risky on your part!
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    A lifetime guarantee is unrealistic for many reasons and could even open up some legal issues. I've seen many business folks offer a one-year guarantee with great success. The psychology is that the customer perceives the year as a lifetime and feels secure in the idea that they have almost forever.
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    • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
      What ever you do NEVER EVER Give a 100% lifetime refund option!

      DO NOT DO IT!

      Any Business man or woman will tell you the same thing!
      Sorry, but there are some very successful companies that have lifetime, no-limits guarantees.

      For example, LL Bean. You can return something that you have worn until it's falling apart. Or that you bought years before.

      L.L.Bean: Our Guarantee

      With that said, whether or not this works for you depends on the nature of the service rendered, the caliber of the clients you attract and the quality of your service.

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    • Profile picture of the author Ross Bowring
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      A lifetime guarantee is unrealistic for many reasons and could even open up some legal issues. I've seen many business folks offer a one-year guarantee with great success. The psychology is that the customer perceives the year as a lifetime and feels secure in the idea that they have almost forever.
      That's a great point. Most people don't look further ahead than a couple weeks. So a year does feel like a lifetime.

      --- Ross
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  • Profile picture of the author thewealthywiseman
    Hey Ross -- a year is plenty long as you are probably not doing the sales numbers of an LL Bean.
    I would just emphasize it, something like "I decided to double our 30 day guarantee, than I doubled it again" and so on till you get to a solid year. Then use a play on DK's 'accountant reading me the riot act' -- like "please take advantage of this now before my boss returns from vacation and decides to fire me"
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    • Profile picture of the author Ross Bowring
      Originally Posted by thewealthywiseman View Post

      Hey Ross -- a year is plenty long as you are probably not doing the sales numbers of an LL Bean.
      I would just emphasize it, something like "I decided to double our 30 day guarantee, than I doubled it again" and so on till you get to a solid year. Then use a play on DK's 'accountant reading me the riot act' -- like "please take advantage of this now before my boss returns from vacation and decides to fire me"
      That's solid advice. But I think you got me confused with the OP.

      --- Ross
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      • Profile picture of the author thewealthywiseman
        Originally Posted by Ross Bowring View Post

        That's solid advice. But I think you got me confused with the OP.

        --- Ross
        Ross, indeed I did!
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
    Did a lifetime guarantee once... my highest converting sales page ever... with my lowest refund rate ever.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hugh Thyer
      Collette's right. I assume your product is a continuity product, right?

      The thing with continuity products is that you get money from them every month/year/whatever.

      And the reality is that people will stay with continuity programs for a certain period of time and then leave. All marketers know that, and they know this period too.

      And at some time people look at their credit card statements and see what they no longer need. At some point they'll be getting less value from you than they once did. Perhaps they achieved what they wanted, or maybe they have changed directions. Maybe they've now gone with another vendor.

      So if you take $300 a year from your customer, after 4 years you've been paid $1,200. And if they cancel after 4 years you are obliged to give them the full $1,200 back. Unless you have customers who stay with you until they die then every cent you earn will have to be paid back at some time.

      For a one off product it's great.

      For a continuity program it's a disaster.
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