need a sales page for clickbank product - $200-$500

You can't be serious.

You're selling a "make money from home" product... yet only have $500 to burn on a copywriter?

And you're selling this product for $200?

Do you even know how hard a $200 sale is?

Even if you were offering $10k... no experienced copywriter would touch this. It has "failure" and "scam" written all over it.

All that aside... "good" and "experienced" copywriters work for a lot more than $500. $500 is basically minimum wage with the effort it takes us, so yeah... not gonna happen.

Talk about a series of red flags...

-Daniel

Randal,

I'm not surprised you've gotten emails about the job. You'll probably get a lot more... from guys who won't even charge $500.

But it's pretty unlikely (although not impossible) you'll get someone who can cut the gig.

It's exceptionally difficult to sell a $200 product straight off the bat. You need a killer marketing funnel to do that.

AND... you need to be offering way, way more value than anyone else... which you're not.

I just finished a letter for a guy. He made $108K+ in two years from just ONE of his websites... that took him ten hours to set up.

He paid my fee without blinking.

He's selling his product for $97 - half of your price, yet he makes far, far more in a year than you do.

In short... his proof and credibility are through the roof... AND he's got a killer funnel set up with lots of JVs.

The long and short of it is you're just not ready to compete in this market yet. Those of us who have been in the product launch/copywriting game for a while can see it clearly.

And you're setting yourself (and any copywriter who takes the gig) up for failure.

This isn't designed to hurt you. This is designed to make you re-think your strategy before you waste a lot of time and effort on a doomed campaign.

If you want to enter this niche, you'll be competing with the best of the best. Either you have to hone you chops til they're razor sharp, or pay someone else a lot of money to make all the hard decisions for you.

And by the way... working for a "big name" doesn't mean anything. There was a guy on here who did $97 sales letters (he's no longer around, AFAIK) who had worked for a ton of "gurus". I'm pretty sure they didn't make the mistake of hiring him twice.

You can either take what I say as the advice of someone who's been in the game a while... seen a lot of product launches... and been trained by the best...

...or you ignore me.

Either way... it doesn't bother me. But it might not be fun for you.

-Daniel

Randal... there isn't a copywriter who could sell his way out of a wet paper bag who would take that gig for 5 bills up front. Daniel is right. You're expecting to get 200 for a product yet only want to pay 500.

It's a joke.

Real copywriters charge between 4K and 20K to write copy for $50-$80 products on clickbank. At 500 you're getting an amateur.

And before you ask, I know for a fact who the hell I'm talking to.

These threads always delight me, as they never fail to get both sides' panties into a collective twist.

Marketers want A-list level copy without spending more than a couple hundred bucks, and the truth is that it's just not very likely they're going to find it. Because copywriters who convert that well are rare. And once people know about them, they're in demand, and their prices go ever upward.

Copywriters as a group, on the other hand, want to be seen as members of a highly-paid, respected profession, and understandably get bent out of shape at the mere suggestion that another writer may be doing the same work for 500 bucks up front.

The truth is, there *are* genuinely good copywriters out there who are willing to work for pennies on the dollar. And if you have the time to search one out, the knowledge to recognize one when you find him, and the patience to wait out the possibility -- that is to say, likelihood -- of multiple failures before you find a good one, you can get a bargain.

That's the nature of freelance-based service business. There will always be overpriced guys who can't produce, and dirt cheap guys who can.

It's just statistical reality that if you're searching blindly in both groups, you've got a lot better chance of selling your $200 product with a guy from the big-ticket group than you've got searching for a writer at rummage sales.

I don't begrudge you your right to come here looking for a cheap copywriter who can get the job done for you. I hope you find one.

Just be aware that because it's a public forum, guys who have a vested interest in seeing prices remain high may well come along and mock the search for PR reasons. Both sides play this same game pretty frequently. No need for anybody to harbour any ill will because of it.

I don't get my "Panties in a bunch" when they're posted. I'd just prefer to see these threads die to the sound of crickets chirping. It would send a clear message.

For $500 I could easily see someone making a sale copy for you. If your product costs under $5.00.

I'm not even a writer and I realize, writers have to charge a lot because it's their main source of income. They do an incredible job and you easily make it back if you have a good product.

Expand your budget some, or consider looking for a JV with a writer and get them an initial down payment + whatever extra they get from the JV.

You guys are dumb. Instead of insulting the OP, why not educate him - politely - and then upsell him. Get him into your funnel. That's what we do right? I bet I can get him to find a half-way decent amount for the copy - plus a slice of the action.

I totally agree.
I have salesletters that have been running on the 'net for years -- the pittance that that salesletter cost surely has repaid the buyer many times over by now.

Now calm down...

Copy nazi= Pun On Soup Nazi.

Learn to watch TV

Fact that someone hasn't seen the episode or have any sense of humor is no one's fault. Different people think different things are funny. People can choose to feel offended and Daniel Scott does have a point about people being sensitive about their ancestors suffering. Goes with the territory if you use the word nazi with anything.

Personally I don't get it. But then again I used to watch a lot of Seinfeld (who's Jewish by the way)

About Mal's copy: Doesn't matter if someone isn't impressed with his copy - if it converts, then people are going to pay him. Seems to work for him. And I don't particularly love Mal's name. I respect the man though for his contributions on the forum.

And I feel I need to bring this up for the 4th time:

Trying to make someone else look bad doesn't make you more intelligent or a better copywriter. Makes you look insecure and childish. Plain and simple.

Spread the word.

I was looking forward to see what other cool things this thread brought up. But instead I'm reading about some bickering about the jewish holocaust, which I'm certain was Mal's intention. Seems like every few threads this has been happening.

Very frustrating. I come here to learn and take a break and enjoy interesting discussions.

This Copywriting Forum is turning into battle royale for 8 year olds ("but he said"..."Oh yeah, well you're a....)

I'm sure someone is going to make up some excuse why they can say whatever they want but frankly it's ridiculous no matter how you put it. Waste of time ("Yeah! I won a Internet Forum Discussion!" = "I'm a freaking Moron")

What does someone's Username choice has anything to do with the topic on hand? L

@ Daniel Scott - Love your contributions on this thread (and all threads in fact). No intention to offend here. (you too Mal!)

Hey Mal - Maybe you should change your name to something less offensive like:

The Copy Molester

Oh...wait...I'm getting off topic.

Shane, Shane, Shane (See old epoisodes of Three's Company to get that one)