Oh the irony of Copywriting WSOs...

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Bob posts a Copywriting training WSO.

Bob gets a full thread of responses, either asking for a review copy, or with on the fence reasoning and questions (all in a positive manner, but not equaling sales.)

Oh, the painful irony of a Copywriting WSO. With such a targeted marketplace, hungry buyers abound, how interesting it is, that the expert cannot use their own axe to chop down the smallest tree in forest.

Why can't people - or prospects - see this irony?
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  • Profile picture of the author 247Copywriter
    Would you like to rephrase your problem?

    More simply and clearly?
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  • Profile picture of the author Oxbloom
    Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

    If someone can't figure out how to sell a $7 product to a hungry market in the first place, and they need to spend $7 to learn how, then surely, they're screwed from the start, right?
    I'd like to *believe* that if a copywriter is putting together a "how to write copy" type info-product, and he's selling it as a WSO for seven bucks, he's doing so with an agenda.

    Like, to throw together a first draft and use the feedback to see what the *actual buying market* has in the way of objections that they want to see the copy overcome.

    I'm with Hemingway. There is no good writing. Only good re-writing.

    I kind of see the WSO as the test mailing before the big rollout.


    But like I said -- I'd just like to believe that. The truth is probably closer to the pathetic scenario you painted in the OP.

    Alas.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by 247Copywriter View Post

      Would you like to rephrase your problem?

      More simply and clearly?
      I don't really have a problem. And no thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
        Originally Posted by Oxbloom View Post

        I'd like to *believe* that if a copywriter is putting together a "how to write copy" type info-product, and he's selling it as a WSO for seven bucks, he's doing so with an agenda.

        Like, to throw together a first draft and use the feedback to see what the *actual buying market* has in the way of objections that they want to see the copy overcome.

        I'm with Hemingway. There is no good writing. Only good re-writing.

        I kind of see the WSO as the test mailing before the big rollout.


        But like I said -- I'd just like to believe that. The truth is probably closer to the pathetic scenario you painted in the OP.

        Alas.
        Yeah, that's what I'd have thought in the past, but like you, my inner cynic tells me otherwise. The cynic tells me that some people are telling porkies to make a few bucks in this forum.

        Heck, old news right? But I guess the reason I posted, is because it hits a nerve when I see people selling copywriting training/advice who clearly can't sell - even in a thriving buyer forum, at chump change.

        It doesn't affect you or I, but it does interest me how few people see this irony.

        And it's also ironic how this extends to all kinds of products in that forum. I mean, the guy who found a way to make $50k in 6 days... and can't wait to make a WSO for $12 about it.

        Or the guy who stumbled across a $1500 per week loophole that must not be abused by the general public, yet he sells it on a public forum.

        And yet few people actually stop to think about it logically.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce Wedding
    I see the irony. I agree with you.

    We are not stupid. When you see a copywriter running a low-ball WSO, trying to tell you how he's written for this and that guru; commanded $5,000 a letter but for some bull$hit reason he's going to write you a letter for $1000 or $499 or whatever, one thing is crystal clear…

    He's broke.

    This is not the exclusive domain of copywriters. We see it all the time amongst the newbies and gurus alike. Here are some recent examples:

    1. A guy considered a "guru" (only on the WF, not in the real world) posts screenshots of his Clickbank account. He's made like $35 in 2 weeks.

    2. Guys want critiques of "make money" pages claiming outrageous incomes yet don't have the cash for a copywriter.

    3. Here's a big one... There's a well known marketer with full guru status who is starving right now. This is a guy that lived in a million dollar home and was banking $80,000+/month. He got complacent, neglected his partnerships and continuity program until it died, along with the vast majority of his income. Now he's over here TRYING to sell coaching WSOs and can't get any takers. He used to email me 6X a year, now its daily. He's pimping any Clickbank product he can find. Its desperate and sad.

    We all see behind the curtain.

    So what?
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding View Post

      We are not stupid. When you see a copywriter running a low-ball WSO, trying to tell you how he's written for this and that guru; commanded $5,000 a letter but for some bull reason he's going to write you a letter for $1000 or $499 or whatever, one thing is crystal clear…

      He's broke.
      LOL. Sounds like you're having a go at me. That's all right. I'll give you a clue - think "upsell on the backend". I don't take on a lot of the dross I'm offered on my WSO. BUT it has flushed out several very good clients. I'm currently working for two Clickbank whales - with money upfront and a good slice of the pie. But Shhh...don't tell the other *******s or they'll all be trying the same tactics.

      As for "broke"...hey you wanna see my latest PayPal balance screenshot? It's a beauty. Fresh out of the Shop. Shows $288,236 just sitting there brother. 'cause I'm like...a "killer copywriter".
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      • Profile picture of the author Bruce Wedding
        Originally Posted by Metronicity View Post

        LOL. Sounds like you're having a go at me.
        I was NOT having a go at you, Mal. You didn't even cross my mind. I was thinking of old stuff I'd seen here.

        Originally Posted by Metronicity View Post

        As for "broke"...hey you wanna see my latest PayPal balance screenshot? It's a beauty. Fresh out of the Shop. Shows $288,236 just sitting there brother. 'cause I'm like...a "killer copywriter".
        LOL! What a coincidence. I just took mine today and it was $288,237, so you are broke. I've got $1 more
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      • Profile picture of the author Ross James
        Originally Posted by Metronicity View Post


        As for "broke"...hey you wanna see my latest PayPal balance screenshot? It's a beauty. Fresh out of the Shop. Shows $288,236 just sitting there brother. 'cause I'm like...a "killer copywriter".
        You ain't pullin' no java script hacks?

        Ha, that's awesome. Must be nice.

        -Ross
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    @3. I think I know who you are talking about judging by my inbox recently. His newsletter basically introduced me to the IM "game." Too bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    Ha, that's pretty crazy Bruce. I bet there are a lot of situations like that.

    As I'm sure you'll agree, as a copywriter, you get to see behind the curtain a lot more than many folks do... and it's not always a bed of roses is it?

    I don't really think I have a point or conclusion, just got bored and wanted to rant.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Murdaugh
    3. Here's a big one... There's a well known marketer with full guru status who is starving right now. This is a guy that lived in a million dollar home and was banking $80,000+/month. He got complacent, neglected his partnerships and continuity program until it died, along with the vast majority of his income. Now he's over here TRYING to sell coaching WSOs and can't get any takers. He used to email me 6X a year, now its daily. He's pimping any Clickbank product he can find. Its desperate and sad.
    This is sad.

    I've seen it on numerous occasions too...

    Guys that really where cleaning up with $100k+ months and really making it... Then it goes to their head, they live like rock stars for a few months, and realize that once the income dries up they've blown it as fast as they can earn it.

    This doesn't just apply to guru's. Lots of people...

    The lesson here is to live frugally, even when you don't need to. The house of cards can come tumbling down, you can hit a rough patch, whatever...

    And pretty soon you'll be thinking those penthouse suites, luxury vacations, fancy restaurants, booze, drugs... Whatever the culprit may be just wasn't worth it.

    Being poor is no fun. And it can still happen to people long after they've "made it".

    It's like lottery winners or people born into money. Not anyone can make a lot of money. But anyone can blow a lot of money FAST.

    So what?
    I'll end on that note too.

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  • Profile picture of the author Pusateri
    Irony?

    I'm a child of the '80s, a time when we used a massive arms buildup to prevent war, when guys wore lipstick and eyeliner to get girls, when pop stars adopted Catholic iconography to express their sexuality. So you will have to excuse me if I just don't get irony.

    Doesn't being broke make him good? So confused...
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    You know what the real irony about most copywriting WSO's is? Their sales copy is usually sheisenhausen.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

      You know what the real irony about most copywriting WSO's is? Their sales copy is usually sheisenhausen.
      Urm, that was kinda my whole point
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      • Profile picture of the author Oxbloom
        Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

        Urm, that was kinda my whole point
        So I guess the answer is yes, you did know what the real irony was.
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