Selling the Copywriter's Value

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This Feb. is my third marketing class to business people on behalf of the local chamber of commerce. They've had to turn away businesses for lack of room so that's a "good thing" we have another packed house of people who think they want to market.(it's a six week course)

I understand... going in.. that most of these business people don't have a clue about marketing. No written plan, no USP, no real message, no defined targets and absolutely no copywriting skills. So when I get to the last week of teaching after going through their message, their usp, their plan, etc and their media of choice....I ask them who will they hire to "write" their stuff...Mailers, Print ads, web copy, etc.....you can hear their breathing at this point...

This is where I need input from professional copywriters....think back to when you were hungry...thirsty for new clients..what single thing you told them that seemed to open their eyes to the value of hiring a pro to write and design their stuff.

I'd love for these folks to walk away with as many new weapons as possible and I know that for many it will take great....maybe fabulous copy to help them succeed...so...what's my pitch going to be ?
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  • Profile picture of the author John_S
    I have "throwaways." War stories about how I did this this or that.

    Few stories are set up to deliver a 'punchline' or ah-ha moment. Where the conclusion everybody has is not "anyone could've thought of that" but "nobody else could have though of that."

    One nice trick is to take a moment to have people think what they would have done in a similiar situation. Because otherwise, people like to say "well, that may work for pilfer grommets ...but I sell boxcar prongs."

    Next, you want to expand from the one situation to why every business can get similar results.

    But really, I'd shoot down the notion of computer people going to the Amish to sell computers 'cause it's a wide open market. And the same thing goes for people looking at businesses who can't even conceptualize marketing, and imagining there's some kind of market.

    Unless they PAID to see YOU, they're just butts in seats. Not a ready audience of potential customers. They'll do just the same for the next poor sap thinking they're going to do one thing different, next meeting.

    Hungry? Thirsty? Step one is to stop chasing mirages and try to get it into your head You're In a ____ing Desert. If they don't know what you just said they don't; you're standing in front of a "what in the heck does the word commerce mean" department.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Williams
      Maybe I should clear soemthing up...I "Hire" my copywriting ! I'm simply looking for a way to turn these folks "on" to the benefits of using a copywriter! Besides using my success stories
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  • Profile picture of the author Pusateri
    Copywriters are analogous to actors.

    Anybody can write some words about your business.

    Anybody can stand in front of a camera and read lines.

    Great actors breathe life into a role, they wear the skin of the character and massage a thousand nuances, invisible to the untrained eye, that make a performance real, give it power, and create gold at the box office.

    I can read the lines of Capt. Jack Sparrow, but I will never be Johnny Depp. I could have played Forrest Gump with every ounce of acting talent that might be squeezed from my soul. And it would have been a bad movie about an idiot featuring a hack who couldn't act.

    A great copywriter brings to your marketing what a great actor brings to a film. You may not be able to say what it is, but you can sure as hell see the difference...especially in your bottom line.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    One thing people undervalue with a good copywriter - it's not about being "facile with words" as Halbert put it. It's about being "on target".

    Sure, we're good with words but that's not what it's all about. It''s about understanding the client's business and his product. And understanding where and how he wants to sell it. Where to pitch the offer.

    If it were just about writing fancy words - all the deadbeat poets out there could become millionaire copywriters.

    Copywriters in effect become a partner in your business.

    I read this today in a Jay Abraham book -

    Customer - a person who purchases a commodity or service.
    Client - a person who is under the protection of another.
    So the good copywriters will always look out for their clients rather than treat them as customers by flogging them a bunch of clever words strung together under the guise of copywriting.
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    • Profile picture of the author fasteasysuccess
      The major thing is to switch the prospective from them paying you to do something into them investing in the results they want and you bring.

      When I speak to rotary clubs, chambers, and other places...always provide maximum value and then show them how the service provided is needed for success and that I am the obvious choice if seeking results in business.

      Not everyone even knows what copywriting or marketing is really about. You need to educate them and prove to them how you can take them to the level they desire and also show you are dedicated to doing so versus just taking their money and running once you are done with it.

      There's a ton of techniques and strategies to getting better results from those presentations, but focus on those basics and you'll be way ahead of the game.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
    Originally Posted by Dan Williams View Post

    This Feb. is my third marketing class to business people on behalf of the local chamber of commerce. They've had to turn away businesses for lack of room so that's a "good thing" we have another packed house of people who think they want to market.(it's a six week course)

    I understand... going in.. that most of these business people don't have a clue about marketing. No written plan, no USP, no real message, no defined targets and absolutely no copywriting skills. So when I get to the last week of teaching after going through their message, their usp, their plan, etc and their media of choice....I ask them who will they hire to "write" their stuff...Mailers, Print ads, web copy, etc.....you can hear their breathing at this point...

    This is where I need input from professional copywriters....think back to when you were hungry...thirsty for new clients..what single thing you told them that seemed to open their eyes to the value of hiring a pro to write and design their stuff.

    I'd love for these folks to walk away with as many new weapons as possible and I know that for many it will take great....maybe fabulous copy to help them succeed...so...what's my pitch going to be ?
    Dan,

    I suggest you explain to them the difference between image advertising and direct response advertising.

    Explain how with direct response, a merchant can measure results and better target his/her advertising dollar.

    And just for kicks and giggles, title the 6th session, "Doubling your sales with more effective advertising" (or something similar), so they'll see the benefit of attending the final class.

    Alex
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    Dan,

    Tell us more about this class.

    How much did these people pay to be part of it...

    ...how many hours a week is it...

    ...is it during the day or at night...

    etc.

    This will help us gauge what kind of people you're working with and tailor the pitch appropriately.
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  • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
    Originally Posted by Dan Williams View Post

    so...what's my pitch going to be ?
    Dan,

    This one trick beats the heck out of any pitch...

    ...and it's called INVOLVEMENT.

    This will create their own realization that they need help...

    ...because they get to see the numbers.

    Here's what you do.

    Get your copy of Tested Advertising Methods
    and pull out the headlines which pulled best.

    Let them see the winning and losing headlines
    and ask them to pick the winning one.

    Give out the correct answers.

    Next tell them "A professional copywriter wrote those winning ads"

    "for the same ad spend you
    would of got an extra xx% return on your investment"

    "Put your hands up if you would like that"

    "Who didn't put up their hands?"

    "Wouldn't that make a big difference to you and your business?"

    "For those that put up their hands and want
    a better return on their advertising, then a
    professional copywriter [launch into the offer]".

    Getting them involved makes for a much more enjoyable session,
    for them and you.

    Plus they have a higher retention of information.

    Dan, do you want to team up with a copywriter
    to make them an offer now that they are turned on to them?

    All the best,
    Ewen
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    • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
      Hi Dan,

      One of the things you can do is the following:

      Create a PowerPoint presentation based upon the type of business owners in your Chamber of Commerce. For instance, in Laguna Beach, it's a tourist town with heavy retail and restaurants and art galleries.

      In the PowerPoint presentation, SLAM them with piece after winning piece of brilliant copywriting/advertising. Inspire them. With each piece, focus on one specific copywriting principle of the piece. If you're looking for an example, check Dan Kennedy and Bill Glazer's Outrageous Advertising book for a sample on how to get this done.

      The headline... the guarantee... the offer... the call to action... the PS... whatever. Just do it, point by point. One, two or three examples per point depending how much time you have available. Normally I rifle through a bunch of them.

      Make them memorable and clear what point your trying to drive home.

      Yes, I have done this. And it works. I know of others who have used this type or presentation as well.

      In this strategy, the key thing in selecting the pieces to focus on that are relevant. They, not the principle conveyed, is what will excite the attendee. In other words, please don't show Superbowl commercials. They will disconnect.

      Then at the end, you tell them your strategy for getting good copy written. Create the opening or make an invitation whatever it is.

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      There is another presentation which I have been dying to try. But I haven't done so yet, because the one above works.

      My working title is "Ads That Suck" (but that's not how you would promote it) and basically what you do is research and point out the flaws in various advertisements. They abound. You want to point out ads in other people's advertising (you can black out the particulars), not the ones in the audience or direct local community.

      For instance, "tombstone ads." Ads that are used to promote local attorneys or accountants, where they just put their title and phone number like on their business card. No benefit, no offer, no call to action.

      Obviously, the intent is to convey how much money business owners are leaving on the table with incompetent advertising. And how a competent, qualified copywriter can help.

      You know the difference Dan, and you have the eye for good advertising. Teach them what to look for.

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      You can also do a presentation on how to get more out of Yellow Pages budget. Competent copywriting is essential there. While Yellow Pages is on the ropes, business owners still advertise there because they're afraid not to.

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      - Rick Duris

      PS: No doubt, this first presentation is a fair amount of work. But you'll know it worked if they ask you to send them the PowerPoint presentation at the end.

      PPS: These strategies can be applied to any copywriter who wants to work locally.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Williams
        Thanks for some great suggestions.

        This class is "free" to chamber members. My only stipulation in the invitation is that I will only allow "one" of each type of business. They can effectively "lock out" their competition by getting signed up early. (God I hate that type of pschology in selling)

        I donate one morning per week to teach the class(2 hrs). I realized after the first class it was actually a great networking tool for me and I gained a lot of business from it...not my intentions originally...but I won't turn it away either. I use it as a chance to "give" to some folks that can use it to prosper and grow their businesses...and I'm a loyal chamber supporter.

        Most of the attendees are successful business owners who have managed their success by hard work and a bit of luck. My intent is to give them some points to focus on and the tools to get to the next level.

        My plan is to refer them to some of writers I've had good luck with here on the forum. I'm searching for the easiest way to transition from teaching to the referral.

        Alex, great suggestion on the last class! I was going to title it "effective ad writing" but I like yours much better

        Mal, Ewen, Rick thanks for adding your thoughts...all great stuff
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        • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
          Originally Posted by Dan Williams View Post

          Alex, great suggestion on the last class! I was going to title it "effective ad writing" but I like yours much better.
          Thanks Dan. I'm happy to help.

          Might as well include a benefit in the title of the other five sessions also. It's like eating chicken soup to cure a cold. Can't hurt! LOL

          Alex
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    In my experience, people are far more likely to take your suggestions on board when they're paying you a lot of money.

    In fact, the more they pay, the more seriously they take your advice.

    Getting people to do anything with free advice is a hard game to begin with.

    Not saying it can't be done... just suggesting a change of strategy that could lead to an easier sell.

    -Daniel
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    • Profile picture of the author OutOfThisWord
      Don't present in terms you understand... like copywriter.

      Present in terms they understand like... How To Get More Customers.

      Then weave case histories into your presentation.

      After the show is over, you will inevitably have some people that want to talk more with you.

      But then the trick is closing a deal for a project, as many people will try and treat you like the copy sales person... "hey, stop by... show me what you got."

      When in fact, your 'stop by' is consulting.

      The second biggest challenge you will have is when you actually get a project... because many businesses handle their leads poorly... even having recordings on their phone "we're either on the phone or under our desk."

      So another big part of your consulting job will be making sure they properly handle the leads... otherwise, they will say, "thanks for helping us get our name out" and view your efforts as an expense instead of an investment.

      Good luck!
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