Women Are Better Copywriters Than Men

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According to experts...

Women make far better copywriters than men.

All agreed?
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  • Profile picture of the author jdk1970
    Possibly. But do you have any evidence to back the claim? I often work with women in copy editing positions, and they do it well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oxbloom
    Well, if experts say it, who am I to argue?
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  • Profile picture of the author Lauryn
    I disagree, simply because some people make assumptions that, by nature, all women are generally more emotional and intuitive, and I have met more than enough women and men in my life to know this isn't the case.

    Speaking more specifically, I think better copywriters are those who follow the basic rules and create artistic differences that work effectively for the businesses they provide copy for.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    I read an article which stated that women make better writers, in general, than men, beause they're naturally better communicators. If that's true, I suppose it encompasses copywriting, too.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Does that include lady-boys and drag artists as well mate?
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    • Profile picture of the author 247Copywriter
      Originally Posted by Metronicity View Post

      Does that include lady-boys and drag artists as well mate?
      Don't be silly Mal, of course not.

      I shaved my legs this morning.

      Do you want to feel them?

      Silky smoth huh? Nice.

      Okay Mal, thats enough... get your grubby little hand off my crotch.
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      • Profile picture of the author blue_sky
        Originally Posted by 247Copywriter View Post

        I shaved my legs this morning.
        Could you send us a proof picture (without this whole thread doesnt really make sense ;-))))
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  • Profile picture of the author Oxbloom
    Well didn't the creepiness quotient here just go through the roof...
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    • Profile picture of the author 247Copywriter
      Originally Posted by Oxbloom View Post

      Well didn't the creepiness quotient here just go through the roof...
      Nowt wrong with being a drag queen copywriter mate.

      One copywriter here (no names mentioned) even sent me an email last September telling me he quite fancied me, would I be up for a date?

      I let him down gently. Didn't want to hurt his feelings.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Murdaugh
    Who are these so called "experts"?

    Anyway, I don't think it's gender specific. There are great male and female copywriters.

    Here's my take on it...

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    • Profile picture of the author 247Copywriter
      Originally Posted by Scott Murdaugh View Post

      Who are these so called "experts"?
      It's a common British expression Scott. You hear the saying a lot on the news... "According to experts, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."

      Typically the BBC.
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    • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
      Originally Posted by Scott Murdaugh View Post


      I don't think it's gender specific. There are great male and female copywriters.
      Perfectly agreed. Gender does not mean anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author TurnKey Internet
    I always bristle at claims like this. It is just terribly unproductive and unhelpful to try and generalize about what men are like and what women are like-- you can't just put an entire gender in a box and expect it to be true, no matter what your claim is. I think being thoughtful, insightful, verbally agile and a good business person are the things that make a good copywriter. Both men and women are capable of this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pusateri
    I'd give a provisional yes. You got that big corpus callosum, which is a huge advantage when it comes to figuring out and pushing hot buttons. On average, women are better at seeing things from the customer's POV.

    It's a provisional yes because, again on average, women copywriters seem to me more timid. Less likely to go for the high note.
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  • Profile picture of the author TurnKey Internet
    Another generalization that I think is unfair, but let's go with it for a minute... If women tend to be BETTER but more timid, does that mean inferior men are just brash and grabbing at opportunities? It seems like, if this were really true, women would be making a lot more money in the end. The crappy men would be fired and the women would pick up the slack. From what I can tell, that's not how it works in real life.
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    • Profile picture of the author 247Copywriter
      Originally Posted by TurnKey Internet View Post

      I always bristle at claims like this. It is just terribly unproductive and unhelpful to try and generalize about what men are like and what women are like-- you can't just put an entire gender in a box and expect it to be true, no matter what your claim is ... verbally agile ... are the things that make a good copywriter. Both men and women are capable of this.
      I like this guy already.

      Verbally agile. Good one. Couldn't agree more.

      Sally smiles and puffs smoke rings. : )___~~o o 0 O
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    • Profile picture of the author ProfWriter
      I could not agree more that it is the content that speaks, not the gender of the person writing it. I also don't think we have any actual data about women writers vs. men to go on here. But anyway, can we just talk about what makes good writing good? We're all people, people.
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    • Profile picture of the author Pusateri
      Originally Posted by TurnKey Internet View Post

      Another generalization that I think is unfair, but let's go with it for a minute... If women tend to be BETTER but more timid, does that mean inferior men are just brash and grabbing at opportunities? It seems like, if this were really true, women would be making a lot more money in the end. The crappy men would be fired and the women would pick up the slack. From what I can tell, that's not how it works in real life.
      SHE who has a thing to sell and goes and whispers in a well, is not as apt to get the dollars as HE who climbs a tree and hollers.

      Half-assed brash beats talented timidity when it comes to results. Copy has to seize and hold attention first.

      It's silly to pretend gender differences don't exist. Male and female brains evolved to perform different roles in order to assure the survival of our species. We like different things, prefer and perform better at different tasks...ON AVERAGE. Populations are predictable, individuals are not.

      Action films primarily appeal to, and their marketing is geared towards, men. Conversely, everyone knows what a 'chick flick' is. Hollywood would argue that it's QUITE productive, and profitable, to generalize.
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      • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
        Originally Posted by Pusateri View Post

        It's silly to pretend gender differences don't exist. Male and female brains evolved to perform different roles in order to assure the survival of our species. We like different things, prefer and perform better at different tasks...ON AVERAGE. Populations are predictable, individuals are not.
        This man speaks the truth, I tell you.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    I.M. in general is um..."top heavy" with alpha males isn't it. Pity there aren't more babes around.

    Hey want to see some good writing? Go watch the old Cheech & Chong "Up in Smoke". Man.

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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny12345
    Originally Posted by 247Copywriter View Post

    According to experts...

    Women make far better copywriters than men.

    All agreed?

    If the "experts" you're asking are all women, then yes I'm sure that would be their conclusion.

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author 247Copywriter
      That's so sexist.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
        Originally Posted by 247Copywriter View Post

        That's so sexist.
        This whole thread is sexist!!
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      • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
        Originally Posted by 247Copywriter View Post

        That's so sexist.
        Oohhh...you are such a bad girl 247. Write a sexist headline, get sexist responses...

        But really, I'm trying to feel you on this one but here's what I keep coming up with:

        Dan Kennedy
        Bob Bly
        John Carlton
        Gary Halbert
        Joe Vitale
        Joe Sugarman

        Is anyone else seeing a pattern here?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross James
    Sally, now don't get mad and don't tell mal but one time, I **** you not, he told me you were a male. My mind was blown.

    -Ross
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    • Profile picture of the author 247Copywriter
      Originally Posted by Ross James View Post

      Sally, now don't get mad and don't tell mal but one time, I **** you not, he told me you were a male. My mind was blown.

      -Ross
      Mal, bless him is the copywriting grapevine, he's an old gossip bag.

      I'm just surprised it took you so long Ross to work out.

      Now, what shall I wear today?

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    • Profile picture of the author AdmiralGloom
      Originally Posted by Ross James View Post

      Sally, now don't get mad and don't tell mal but one time, I **** you not, he told me you were a male. My mind was blown.

      -Ross
      I actually thought the same thing :S. I figured it would only work towards an advantage being that males would be more "enticed" to buy.

      My apologies, Sally.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sebastion
    Who lies more?
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    • Profile picture of the author JonWebContent
      Originally Posted by Sebastion View Post

      Who lies more?
      While this might force my man card to be temporarily suspended......men lie more. Women are more honest because they don't feel as much of a need to brag all the time about their "accomplishments".

      Us males are full of crap. All of us!
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      • Profile picture of the author Ross James
        Originally Posted by JonWebContent View Post

        While this might force my man card to be temporarily suspended......men lie more. Women are more honest because they don't feel as much of a need to brag all the time about their "accomplishments".

        Us males are full of crap. All of us!
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  • Profile picture of the author pethanks
    Well, maybe because women are very hardworking and intelligent. But of course not all all women.
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  • Profile picture of the author twmaffun
    Originally Posted by 247Copywriter View Post

    According to experts...

    Women make far better copywriters than men.

    All agreed?
    I totally approve that. Women is suitable for copying. They are hardworking
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  • Profile picture of the author Globy
    According to my personal experience with women, they should be.
    It's the art of making you believe you want something, but it got in to your he'd by her somehow. If you know what I mean.

    And all this is total nature to women.

    That's a reason we love then and can't stand without them.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlanCarr
    I certainly feel there is plenty of room for good women copywriters - because there aren't that many of them.

    Copy can be decidely scientific, meaning going on intuition (men call it "gut instinct") can bomb (bombing is bad).

    None of the characteristics of a great copy-artist are exclusive to men, yet the simple fact is the field remains primarily male. This also applies to sales in general, because just like the commission-only sales rep - and I did that for years - it's a high reward and high risk career.

    From my own experience, 9 out of 10 self-employed sales reps are men. Women tend hate the unpredictable and often unsocial hours but mostly the "Sell or you don't get paid" element. It's a stereotype perhaps, yet it does seem to be the case that women lean more towards safety and security.

    (Artificial real estate booms don't count)

    As an aside, many agencies have gone out of their way to work with female copywriters. Some had success, many didn't, because there's a lot more to great copy than gender. The MAJORITY of people aren't suitable for a career in copywriting, including "good with words" people of either gender.

    As one wag put it, "The only way that ##### could sell anything is if we draped her naked over the product..."

    I don't think this thread would be complete without mentioning Collette (*hugz*) as she deffo has her 'copy chops'. Fact is is though, the field has been wide open to women since the 70's or earlier - they just haven't made a significant dent.

    Probably more a matter of choice than ability. All those ideas of creativity, intuition and great language skills are pretty much useless for copy.

    In the real world you have to dumb your language down, do the research and be damn careful with creativity. "Creative", like humor, can be great when it works, it's just that most of the time creativity only sells to the client, not the prospect.

    Which was far too serious an answer for such-a-tongue in cheek thread... hey, I'm in a pondering kinnda mood today.

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  • Profile picture of the author jerytohn
    The title is extremely sexist. I am offended
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  • Profile picture of the author china9
    I don't think so. Is there any proof? Isn't this a stereotype? It might be true that on average women are better, but I still believe the best copywriters are men.
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  • Profile picture of the author John_S
    All agreed?
    If I have to tell you, then you just don't get it.

    You know, [sniff] some times I don't think you even care.
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  • Profile picture of the author DanielleLynnCopy
    I do know that in general women seem to be better at gauging and tugging at emotions, and men are a bit more skilled when it comes to business negotiations and not backing down. Always exceptions to this.

    And.... I'm pretty sure emotional tugging is what's going on here. I say well done
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Kennedy, Halbert, Bencivenga, Carlton, Makepeace, Garfinkel.....are you telling me they are all women in disguise?

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    • Profile picture of the author HiAbby
      As much as I would looove to agree with this post, I would have to say that its nothing more than a playful kick at the ant pile.

      Although the previous poster is on to something. Most of the big shots, old or new, and even any copywriter I've ever studied has been male.

      I think in reality gender shouldn't matter, but apparently it does. What's a lady to do?

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    • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post


      Kennedy, Halbert, Bencivenga, Carlton, Makepeace, Garfinkel.....are you telling me they are all women in disguise?

      Chris
      You are forgetting these "women"...Joe Vitale,Vin Montello,Bob Bly,Parris Lampropoulos,Dan Lok,Arthur Johnson,Kent Komae.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Q
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    It really doesn't matter at all (especially on gender). What matters here is the attitude, dedication and "outside-the-box" thinking you have. Brains are equal, just put an extra gas on it and you're good to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author brent360
    I'd say it comes down to personality type rather than just sex (although sex probably has a lot to do with personality type). I find that people who can look at situations objectively and really analyze the different components of them are the ones who are great copywriters.
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  • Profile picture of the author rohnsmith
    If the experts are saying this than I have nothing to say. Same as one said. Women can copy better than men, I also believe this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross James
    almost everyone in this thread is oblivious to the whole point of it
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  • Profile picture of the author DIGITALCHAMELEON
    I don't thinks so, i guess both...
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  • Profile picture of the author anndrewcastle
    I think just difference.
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