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Hey guys, you seen this dude?

Commission Crusher - Triple Threat Commission Cloning System

What do you think about this style of copy... and this overall piece in general? I know it looks very similar to the usual blind copy launch products, which it is, but obviously even more outrageous than ever before.

Right now, I'm cringing. But after the first 10 minutes, the video pitch does get a lot stronger (when he starts talking about the elite groups in private forums etc.)

But then it falls on its' asse, then it picks back up, etc. All over the place, and still using the same "stolen secrets from the gurus" story, but definitely in a new style.

I don't know whether to clap, laugh, cringe or cry at this. He's certainly taking a risk, I'll give him that much.

Thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author amenwolf
    seems to be targeted towards the .. "Generation X" the rebellious age.
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    • Profile picture of the author falco
      I haven't liked this sales page because:

      1. These images looks as 100% fake or even taken from Google images:

      Code:
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      HTML Code:
      http://digm.s3.amazonaws.com/images/lifestyle2.jpg
      2. Too much highlighted headings and "just look, how cool I am" style writings.

      3. Statements don't have personal feeling, so anyone, who knows at least a bit about of IM will feel uncomfortable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
    I'm probably not the target market: I clicked off immediately.


    Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

    Hey guys, you seen this dude?

    Commission Crusher - Triple Threat Commission Cloning System

    What do you think about this style of copy... and this overall piece in general? I know it looks very similar to the usual blind copy launch products, which it is, but obviously even more outrageous than ever before.

    Right now, I'm cringing. But after the first 10 minutes, the video pitch does get a lot stronger (when he starts talking about the elite groups in private forums etc.)

    But then it falls on its' asse, then it picks back up, etc. All over the place, and still using the same "stolen secrets from the gurus" story, but definitely in a new style.

    I don't know whether to clap, laugh, cringe or cry at this. He's certainly taking a risk, I'll give him that much.

    Thoughts?
    Despite all that, did you stick with it out of curiosity as a copywriter, or did something keep you there?

    If it's the latter, then job done. You just need to click the buy button.
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    • Profile picture of the author ARSuarez
      Originally Posted by Rezbi View Post

      Despite all that, did you stick with it out of curiosity as a copywriter, or did something keep you there?

      If it's the latter, then job done. You just need to click the buy button.
      Exactly.

      There's the question in copywriting: is it making money?

      Best,

      Angel
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by Rezbi View Post

      I'm probably not the target market: I clicked off immediately.

      Despite all that, did you stick with it out of curiosity as a copywriter, or did something keep you there?

      If it's the latter, then job done. You just need to click the buy button.
      As a copywriter. I'm not the target audience. I was basically posting this in terms of a copywriting perspective, not a review

      Originally Posted by Ross James View Post

      I... Steve A-Hole

      I'm ALL you've got going for you...

      OK buddy...

      What a pathetic attempt...

      W...T...F is right
      Lol. I know, there are parts where he goes crazy with insults and patronizing talk.

      But apparently, it's working.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    I wonder what software he used for the video? Doesn't seem like Powerpoint or Keynote...hrmm...

    ~Dexx
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    • Profile picture of the author Ross James
      Originally Posted by Dexx View Post

      I wonder what software he used for the video? Doesn't seem like Powerpoint or Keynote...hrmm...

      ~Dexx
      Adobe After Effects
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  • Profile picture of the author mshawn
    Ok, I admit it. I bit. I purchased the 'package'. 1/3 of what I bought is called the commission worm.
    I would have to call this about as close to being an exact copy of Massive Passive Profits as it could come....
    THANK you clickbank for your easy return policy.
    One down, 2 to go.
    Yes, his OVER THE TOP sales method is a little much. So many people bashing so many "GURUS". What an incestuous relationship. I'm so sick of this sh*t .
    Steve tells us all about ' those other mean, greedy, don't care about you' gurus.
    Not a good start, but I'm going to try and separate this and continue with the other items.

    CLICKBANK is your friend.
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      • Profile picture of the author mshawn
        Originally Posted by OnlineMasterMind View Post

        Uh... maybe you forgot: you bought it.

        People like you are precisely why that salespage exists.
        No, PEOPLE like me are why
        CLICKBANK exists!
        YOU think I would have bought this WITHOUT the ability to return it?

        Oh, and since we like to use gravity stats, lets check back in few weeks for that one that nobody but clickbank likes to talk about..... refund rate.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jos Espo
          Nope...

          The Sniper is holding steady...

          Auto Click Profits took a little dive
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    • Profile picture of the author kangen
      Originally Posted by mshawn View Post

      Ok, I admit it. I bit. I purchased the 'package'. 1/3 of what I bought is called the commission worm.
      I would have to call this about as close to being an exact copy of Massive Passive Profits as it could come....
      THANK you clickbank for your easy return policy.
      One down, 2 to go.
      Yes, his OVER THE TOP sales method is a little much. So many people bashing so many "GURUS". What an incestuous relationship. I'm so sick of this sh*t .
      Steve tells us all about ' those other mean, greedy, don't care about you' gurus.
      Not a good start, but I'm going to try and separate this and continue with the other items.

      CLICKBANK is your friend.
      true said, i was going to say that too, i agree
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
    I lasted about a minute. Funny how he blasts ClickBank and he's selling it on... ClickBank.

    From what I saw looks like the Rich Jerk approach. "You don't deserve to be here"... "you're a loser" type pitch.
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    • Profile picture of the author mshawn
      Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

      I lasted about a minute. Funny how he blasts ClickBank and he's selling it on... ClickBank.

      From what I saw looks like the Rich Jerk approach. "You don't deserve to be here"... "you're a loser" type pitch.
      Yes, I know... I'm ashamed of myself.
      Stay tuned for a the follow up. I have dedicated my Saturday to 'studying' THE commission crusher...

      (yeah, no life either....)
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      • Profile picture of the author Ross James
        Originally Posted by mshawn View Post

        Yes, I know... I'm ashamed of myself.
        Stay tuned for a the follow up. I have dedicated my Saturday to 'studying' THE commission crusher...

        (yeah, no life either....)

        Stop... With that crap. No life? Did you really let this guy get in your head? You have a life and you're trying to improve it...

        There are a lot of really good products out there. I can't say if this one is or isn't I just didn't like the angle of the copy.

        If you are new the best thing you could do...straight away... is read this forum.. You'll find so much useful information here.

        Best of luck,

        Ross
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        • Profile picture of the author mshawn
          Originally Posted by Ross James View Post

          Stop... With that crap. No life? Did you really let this guy get in your head? You have a life and you're trying to improve it...

          There are a lot of really good products out there. I can't say if this one is or isn't I just didn't like the angle of the copy.

          If you are new the best thing you could do...straight away... is read this forum.. You'll find so much useful information here.

          Best of luck,

          Ross
          LOL!
          Ok, I was kidding...
          I have bought a couple of very good programs through Warrior Forum.
          As for Commission Crusher, so far I can say his Ad Assault PRO software program is very interesting but all the info it gathers is readily available elsewhere. You would have to put a value on having it all in one location quickly.
          I really do have to plug Clickbank here. I have no qualms about returning products anymore.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dougger1
      I found it a bit offensive - over-the-top - and roo high on the hype meter. I suppose that if it sells, it's good copy. However, IMHO I wonder who would buy it besides total newbs. I also wonder what the refund rate will be.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce Wedding
    Hmmm, tough one to crit for me. Steve's a good friend of mine; crazy kid and he really IS making the money he talks about in the video. He's a good guy with a big heart. Maybe that's why this takeaway selling seems disingenuous; he loves to help people. His success came from modeling success personally and technically. It works.

    Random thoughts:

    Its incongruous to bash clickbank while selling a clickbank product and using clickbank income proofs.

    Interesting pitch. I don't think Steve used his usual copywriter for this one.

    The takeaway selling isn't done as well as it could be, too insulting and too early.

    He should have gotten a voice artist for the video.

    I actually like the graphic layout of the page, I like the way the video is done. It's very slick but there's too much highlighting and the subheads are too damn big.

    I stole the background image pattern

    I think it will sell well.
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    • Profile picture of the author JTzor
      Bruce - great info on your site man.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
      Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding View Post

      Hmmm, tough one to crit for me. Steve's a good friend of mine; crazy kid and he really IS making the money he talks about in the video. He's a good guy with a big heart.
      I agree 100%.

      I still remember our cheesesteak run a few years ago with Steve and Brian McElroy.

      Interesting pitch. I don't think Steve used his usual copywriter for this one.
      It wasn't his usual copywriter who wrote it.

      My guess is because his usual copywriter has his own product launch coming up in the next month.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dean Jackson
      Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding View Post

      Hmmm, tough one to crit for me. Steve's a good friend of mine; crazy kid and he really IS making the money he talks about in the video. He's a good guy with a big heart. Maybe that's why this takeaway selling seems disingenuous; he loves to help people. His success came from modeling success personally and technically. It works.

      Random thoughts:

      Its incongruous to bash clickbank while selling a clickbank product and using clickbank income proofs.

      Interesting pitch. I don't think Steve used his usual copywriter for this one.

      The takeaway selling isn't done as well as it could be, too insulting and too early.

      He should have gotten a voice artist for the video.

      I actually like the graphic layout of the page, I like the way the video is done. It's very slick but there's too much highlighting and the subheads are too damn big.

      I stole the background image pattern

      I think it will sell well.
      Hahahahha I stole the image too

      BTW if anyone wants it, view the source and search for "bg". First result is the link to the image. Wait... is this legal?

      I was personally turned off by the letter itself. It's interesting that it works and the people comparing it to "The Rich Jerk" is like apples/orange IMO.

      Why? TRJ used a cartoon character... Kelly Felix himself said that he did it because he didn't want his customers to think he was really a "jerk". It was a fun, fresh (and effective) marketing ploy that got tons of recognition for it.

      The "Commission Crusher" just sounds like a tool because hes actually seriously insulting the prospect.

      Whatever works

      It just doesn't float my boat though.

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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    I didn't click the vid but the copy is bold and brash and hypy. Not my cup of tea but perfect for the skateboard generation... and there are plenty of them out there looking for stuff that 'takes no effort...' etc. Again, an excellent piece for the target market, imo.
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt James
      This is great copy, like it or not. No.1 in Clickbank right now.

      This stuff is PERFECT for the target market.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
        Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post


        I don't know whether to clap, laugh, cringe or cry at this. He's certainly taking a risk, I'll give him that much.

        Thoughts?
        Nick, that's the way the "game is played" is the niche. Like it or not, it works.

        Originally Posted by Matt James View Post

        This is great copy, like it or not. No.1 in Clickbank right now.

        This stuff is PERFECT for the target market.
        Matt, just guessing, but it's probably "riding high" with JV traffic right now.

        Alex
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        • Profile picture of the author WikiWarrior
          I lasted about 7 minutes. I get the impression this guy is getting ready to take his wild story to Hollywood and make the next "The Social Network".

          It makes me wonder though, as I'm looking to create my first info product soon. Is it more profitable to go down the route of making a solid, useful, product for a small market, or set the stage to make a paint-by-numbers, get-rich-quick "popcorn product" for the masses?
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  • Profile picture of the author Elmar
    Some or the statements in the sales letter are just hilarious.
    "I had to bribe security at their events to get it"
    "These were not men they were gods!"
    And it seems he got all the secrets to making money on line at a club stalking these gods while they were being chased by super models.

    Such copy is an insult to anyone with a bit of intelligence , totally for newbies.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elmar
    I joined just to see what its about. In the first video he shows you how to join clickbank, thats after basing clickbank in the first few seconds of the sales letter. I guess this is the nature of IM, no growth without hype and fake promises.
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  • I watched from beginning to end. I laughed out loud a number of times, and not in a good way. Based on a brief overview I got from someone who bought and returned the product, it doesn't live up to the hype and its all stuff that's available elsewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author JTzor
    I really disliked the fact that the counter refreshes to 1hour 4 minutes every time ...

    Furthermore, I usually go right for the "Affiliates Click Here" section 1st before the "Buy Now" button when Im contemplating making any "course/video" purchase.

    I find the dude's intro video and his affiliate info quite contradictory - he basically tells you to forget everything most everyone else discusses with regard to IM or Niche Marketing and to follow his Commission Crusher program - then you go into the affiliate info and you see links for JVs, Affiliates, AND Clickbank.

    Whether or not the guy is making a ton of money online or off, i have to say he does tell a good story. I like how he mentions Michael Bay and the "Texas Nine," or whatever the hell he calls them - sounds like it would make a good movie.

    Just my 2 cents.

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    • Originally Posted by JTzor View Post

      I like how he mentions Michael Bay and the "Texas Nine," or whatever the hell he calls them - sounds like it would make a good movie.
      "The Nine". There are only four of them. And apparently fatso Artie is their leader. Also, aliens are abducting humans and conducting experiments on... oh wait, sorry, that wasn't in his sales copy.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
        All you guys trashing the copy - you don't write copy for that niche, right?

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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce Wedding
    One look at the CB stats and interest tells you he's knocking it out of the park.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jos Espo
      Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding View Post

      One look at the CB stats and interest tells you he's knocking it out of the park.
      Yes, because of the Software (Screenshot - Not affiliate)

      Here is how to use it: Link (Not affiliate)

      Grav: 747.67 Not only because of a sales letter architecture...

      The sale letter is for newbies...

      Sells because it has added value and this "idea" was sold before the launch...

      The idea is for half way full time IMs...

      He killed two birds with one stone...

      Regards
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding View Post

      One look at the CB stats and interest tells you he's knocking it out of the park.
      Does that mean he's about to sell the max number of copies (500) as promised in the sales page?
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      • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
        Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

        I lasted about a minute. Funny how he blasts ClickBank and he's selling it on... ClickBank.

        From what I saw looks like the Rich Jerk approach. "You don't deserve to be here"... "you're a loser" type pitch.
        Yep, a lot of incongruence and flat out contradictions going on, but it doesn't seem to matter.

        Originally Posted by Dougger1 View Post

        I found it a bit offensive - over-the-top - and roo high on the hype meter. I suppose that if it sells, it's good copy. However, IMHO I wonder who would buy it besides total newbs. I also wonder what the refund rate will be.
        There's at least one person in this very thread that both bought it and refunded it, if that helps. (see above)

        Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding View Post


        Random thoughts:

        Its incongruous to bash clickbank while selling a clickbank product and using clickbank income proofs.

        Interesting pitch. I don't think Steve used his usual copywriter for this one.

        The takeaway selling isn't done as well as it could be, too insulting and too early.

        He should have gotten a voice artist for the video.

        I actually like the graphic layout of the page, I like the way the video is done. It's very slick but there's too much highlighting and the subheads are too damn big.

        I stole the background image pattern

        I think it will sell well.
        Awesome insights Bruce, I love how you can remain impartial, without saying "I'm not the market, so I think it's crap" kind of responses I'm seeing elsewhere.

        Originally Posted by Alex Cohen View Post

        All you guys trashing the copy - you don't write copy for that niche, right?

        Alex
        I think the problem is Alex, a lot of people are trashing it because they're getting sucked into becoming a prospect, instead of a critical, impartial copywriter who is looking to discuss the copy.

        I guess that speaks volumes for the copy. Even though you're not the target market, you're sucked into the sales process and quickly forgetting why you're there.

        Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding View Post

        One look at the CB stats and interest tells you he's knocking it out of the park.
        According to my sources, it's killing it. Problem is, the conv rates aren't made public. So it could just be churning through volume.

        Originally Posted by Rezbi View Post

        Just because people don't like it doesn't make it bad copy. It just means they're not the market he's aiming at.
        Finally!

        Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding View Post

        I talked to Steve a while ago and all I will say is, the thing is converting like gangbusters. He's very pleased.
        There we go. Says it all.

        Before I heard this, I honestly didn't know either way, apart from a source telling me that it was "crushing it."

        But that doesn't usually mean much. Conversion rates are more telling of an effective ad.

        What I find interesting is that despite the incongruence and contradictions... despite the massively long video... despite the outrageous claims... it seems to be working.

        Are the buyers naive, gullible, desperate, or just plain dumb? They must be, right?

        Well, not exactly.

        First of all, you don't know whether the product delivers on the promises made or not, so a buyer isn't dumb for believing in the copy, if the product does what it says... right?

        Secondly, I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I do consider myself to be of a respectable level of intelligence.

        Now, just a few years ago, you would have found me buying scammy little products every week, from websites that were two pages long and with no real substance in the sales pitch.

        Why did I buy then? Because they made a big promise, showed proof, and I was desperate for answers.

        In the years gone by, I have learned a staggering number of things about this business, what really goes on, how to sell, how to create products, how to market in all kinds of ways... and so on.

        So, I can look back at the days where I was lapping up the get rich quick products, and see the error of my ways.

        I don't regret it, because that's kinda how I got into the real business of making money online.

        It's kinda like applying for a customer service job, not winning it, then being asked to come back a few years later as the company director.

        (terrible analogy, but it's Sunday morning, and coffee isn't helping.)

        So my point is...

        It doesn't matter if you're not your market. What matters is having the ability to know your market... and I mean, really understand who they are and what they're going through physically and mentally.

        If you're writing copy for this guy, as a copywriter, it would be an advantage to have been in your target market's shoes, despite graduating to pastures new.

        And as that applies to me, I can see exactly why this type of copy would work. Heck, it's 250 times better than the **** copy I bought from just a while back.

        And you know what? I drooled over the Rich Jerk stuff. It was bloody genius. Today, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole... because I'm out of that market.

        Is the product any good? Dunno. Are the claims totally false? Dunno.

        This was never meant to be a thread about bashing the product or the owner, rather an impartial critique at the COPY.

        And that intention seems to have divided the copywriters from the consumers, in this case.
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        • Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

          Yep, a lot of incongruence and flat out contradictions going on, but it doesn't seem to matter.
          It may not matter to him, but it would certainly matter to me.
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          • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
            Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

            It may not matter to him, but it would certainly matter to me.
            Yeah, me too. But not to the hundreds of people buying, apparently.

            It goes back to the old experience thing. At a higher level, you tend to look for these things. But most people don't connect the dots, or question the little things, and therefore they slip past undetected.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
      Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding View Post

      One look at the CB stats and interest tells you he's knocking it out of the park.
      Well, of the sales I've made, so far I have 100% refund rate. Its selling well but it is just refunding equally.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
    Just because people don't like it doesn't make it bad copy. It just means they're not the market he's aiming at.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce Wedding
    I talked to Steve a while ago and all I will say is, the thing is converting like gangbusters. He's very pleased.
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  • FYI, the Ad Assault Pro app is sitting out on an open, non-password protected page. Not sure if that's the actual product's home or it was somehow ripped and posted publicly. I had no idea that "Ad Assault Pro" was the "Commission Crusher" product, but now that I see the screenshot, I remembered that I'd seen it before.
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  • Profile picture of the author scrofford
    I think the letter is crap and unbelievable. Just another scammy letter targeting newbies for their cash. That's all I have to say about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author ASCW
      I clicked the link and immediately I hear.

      "You don't even deserve to be on this page."

      Then I clicked away.

      I must have low self-esteem.

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      I am very curious as to how well this thing actually converts.
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      • Profile picture of the author scrofford
        Originally Posted by ASCW View Post

        I clicked the link and immediately I hear.

        "You don't even deserve to be on this page."

        Then I clicked away.

        I must have low self-esteem.

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        I am very curious as to how well this thing actually converts.
        LOL! I didn't even think of that one! Starting off with a negative isn't good!
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    Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

    Hey guys, you seen this dude?

    Commission Crusher - Triple Threat Commission Cloning System

    What do you think about this style of copy... and this overall piece in general? I know it looks very similar to the usual blind copy launch products, which it is, but obviously even more outrageous than ever before.

    Right now, I'm cringing. But after the first 10 minutes, the video pitch does get a lot stronger (when he starts talking about the elite groups in private forums etc.)

    But then it falls on its' asse, then it picks back up, etc. All over the place, and still using the same "stolen secrets from the gurus" story, but definitely in a new style.

    I don't know whether to clap, laugh, cringe or cry at this. He's certainly taking a risk, I'll give him that much.

    Thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Alexander
    Oddly enough, what I'm loving and strangely fascinated by, is the design elements of the head and sub-heads.

    Nothing new, sure. But the combo of the drop shadow(?) of the highlighted words and the grey text...I don't know...call me an easy target, but I think it looks great. And it totally reminds me of the design format of the Cosmo and Men's Health headlines right up to the paint-brush ends of the highlighter. (And those magazines' headlines work obviously.)

    That font...anyone know? Appears "simple and standard" but darn if that design doesn't work on me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by Nathan Alexander View Post

      Oddly enough, what I'm loving and strangely fascinated by, is the design elements of the head and sub-heads.

      Nothing new, sure. But the combo of the drop shadow(?) of the highlighted words and the grey text...I don't know...call me an easy target, but I think it looks great. And it totally reminds me of the design format of the Cosmo and Men's Health headlines right up to the paint-brush ends of the highlighter. (And those magazines' headlines work obviously.)

      That font...anyone know? Appears "simple and standard" but darn if that design doesn't work on me.
      If Woody Allen said "90% of success is simply showing up" then I'll add that "the other 10% is to show up wearing a different suit than the other guy."

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      • Profile picture of the author Nathan Alexander
        Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

        If Woody Allen said "90% of success is simply showing up" then I'll add that "the other 10% is to show up wearing a different suit than the other guy."

        Maybe it's early, but I'm not sure if I'm being made fun of.... (Of course my wife just asked me, "how long do you have to wear that shirt before you win the bet?" so I'm feeling kind of sensitive.)
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        • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
          Originally Posted by Nathan Alexander View Post

          Maybe it's early, but I'm not sure if I'm being made fun of.... (Of course my wife just asked me, "how long do you have to wear that shirt before you win the bet?" so I'm feeling kind of sensitive.)
          Not sure what you mean Nathan? Me thinks you need an extra hour in bed

          I was using a metaphor about looking different to everyone else (wearing a different suit = having a different design)
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Lee
      Originally Posted by Nathan Alexander View Post

      Oddly enough, what I'm loving and strangely fascinated by, is the design elements of the head and sub-heads.

      Nothing new, sure. But the combo of the drop shadow(?) of the highlighted words and the grey text...I don't know...call me an easy target, but I think it looks great. And it totally reminds me of the design format of the Cosmo and Men's Health headlines right up to the paint-brush ends of the highlighter. (And those magazines' headlines work obviously.)

      That font...anyone know? Appears "simple and standard" but darn if that design doesn't work on me.
      I thought the exact same thing. I'm a huge fan of the textual design. Nicely done. I didn't like the style per say, of the video... But the production and simple elements that were used gave it a subtle polish.
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      • "You don't even deserve to be on this page..."
        ORLY? Ok, bye.

        I really hate that patronizing and offending style and the "guru secrets" thing is really old. I think he really overdid it here, thousands per day secrets and whatnot for $47? Who are you kidding. It's really getting out of hand with this stuff, more and more hype yet the same lame old crappy products.

        Have to agree about the typography though, looks nice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross James
    Staggering numbers. In only a few days. Look at this chart... The copy is a winner. I just received it in the wrong frame...Congratulations.

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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    I am both amazed and amused by the IM niche.
    I don't even think this is IM anymore. The lines between IM and bizz opp are blurred more and more every launch.

    I'm willing to bet that by and large, it's not marketers that are buying these products. It's broke, lazy kids instead.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      The genius in this sales letter is that it creatively breaks a few rules ... and gets away with it.

      For example, it starts off with a negative statement, that grabs you by the ears and makes you either listen or ... slaps you-up-side the head and makes you click away.

      But either way if you listen you'll probably read most of the letter and if you quickly click away the writer isn't talking to you anyway.

      The writer seems to know how to strategically thumb his nose at many traditional copy writing rules - while still holding the attention of his target market.

      The writers love me or hate me ... "no middle ground style" can be appealing to many. Much like Charlie Sheen, Terrel Owens or Lady Gaga. He's taken the "shock jock" approach and adapted it to a sales letter. That usually takes more guts than brains in my opinion but sometimes it works and when it does it works big.

      As a result this letter will attract either rabid fans or rabid haters, no on the fence people here. I believe that's sits fine with the writer. I just wonder if the end product delivers on all those promises.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross James
    Ken the youtube video won't play... I demand a refund.

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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by Ross James View Post

      Ken the youtube video won't play... I demand a refund.

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      hahahaha. wait, if you try to leave, you'll see an upsell where you can buy a guide that tells you about a secret website where you can watch millions of videos for free, just like Ken's.

      and the good news is, it's just $67.
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  • Profile picture of the author qwerty77
    Yes....this will intrigue the lazy people looking to make a quick buck out there. I liked the opening video....you can't deny is attracts attention.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pusateri
    Any ad that generates 50+ comments in 36 hours is probably a good ad.

    That so many here had strong negative responses to it means it is likely moving the people it's actually targeting to action.

    Personally, I think it's a hoot. Yes, there are inconsistencies, but it's whipping up such an emotional froth, the target audience will either look past them or not even notice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Scott
    Interesting.

    It's not bad, that's for sure.

    Personally... I would have thought it a bit over-the-top.. a little TOO harsh in the "you suck" kind of thing.

    But maybe that's stylistic... or maybe changing that would boost conversions even more.

    One thing is for sure...

    ...Steve knows EXACTLY what he's doing when it comes to marketing, as the figures attest to.

    -Daniel

    P.S. Now I feel like cheese steak... whatever that is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    Refund rates are always high for blind copy. It's a numbers game. It all hinges on the fact that a certain percentage won't refund, otherwise, these types of projects simply wouldn't fly.

    If you ask me, and again this is nothing to do with the particular product or person, but these kinds of practices/websites/sales letters are going to clamped down on in years to come.

    Even though they seem to turn a blind eye, I bet Clickbank has got plans to clean up their refund rates. They're a slow beast, but I'm almost certain it's damaging their business in more than one way.

    Yeah, it makes them money, but so did counterfeit products for eBay, until it started screwing with their reputation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    I am both amazed and amused by the IM niche.

    YouTube - It's the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown - Football
    Consumer's need to go Roadhouse on em...

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  • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    I am both amazed and amused by the IM niche.

    YouTube - It's the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown - Football
    LMAO. Love this! Love it. My thoughts exactly.

    I know what this chump is trying to do with the sales page. It's a psychological persuasion technique called "indifference," I wrote about it in 21 Immutable Laws of Persuasion...the Rich Jerk uses it too.

    Problem is he's not doing it right, he's just being an arrogant $#*$. I doubt the page is converting very well and I bet my babymakers he's got an off the charts return rate.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by sethczerepak View Post

      LMAO. Love this! Love it. My thoughts exactly.

      I know what this chump is trying to do with the sales page. It's a psychological persuasion technique called "indifference," I wrote about it in 21 Immutable Laws of Persuasion...the Rich Jerk uses it too.

      Problem is he's not doing it right, he's just being an arrogant $#*$. I doubt the page is converting very well and I bet my babymakers he's got an off the charts return rate.
      I wouldn't be too sure about that. Did you read the other replies?
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    • Originally Posted by sethczerepak View Post

      Problem is he's not doing it right, he's just being an arrogant $#*$. I doubt the page is converting very well and I bet my babymakers he's got an off the charts return rate.
      I have no doubt that it is converting very well. I also have no doubt that the return rate is very high. An effective sales page doesn't equal a good sales page. Personally, I'd rather build a long-term relationship with my buyers, not piss them off because I dissed something like CB in my sales video then start the course off by telling them to go sign up for a CB account.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jos Espo
        "Indifference"... I really hate when my Beautiful Old Lady throws this one at me...

        You see, when she does; wins...

        Some times... Yes, I feel like taking her back to costumer services...

        But I don't, because she completes me... (Jerry Maguire)

        Every human is different, but when it comes to needs... We don't use our head...

        We use our ego...

        And this, Lads, is cheap psychology... Something that We see since the beginning of times in this Industry of ours...
        And we'll keep seeing for eternity... Even after 12/12/2012 for as long us insecure humans are still around.
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      • Profile picture of the author mshawn
        Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

        I have no doubt that it is converting very well. I also have no doubt that the return rate is very high. An effective sales page doesn't equal a good sales page. Personally, I'd rather build a long-term relationship with my buyers, not piss them off because I dissed something like CB in my sales video then start the course off by telling them to go sign up for a CB account.
        I agree.

        Like I said, Very thankful for Clickbank and their return policy.
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      • Profile picture of the author mshawn
        Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

        I have no doubt that it is converting very well. I also have no doubt that the return rate is very high. An effective sales page doesn't equal a good sales page. Personally, I'd rather build a long-term relationship with my buyers, not piss them off because I dissed something like CB in my sales video then start the course off by telling them to go sign up for a CB account.
        I was one who returned it. I also got a phone call from "someone" representing Commission Crusher. This was almost comical! The guy asked if I had purchased software online before. I said 'yes, in the last 6 months quite a bit.' I also said that I probably won't be buying so much in the future. I mentioned that I started reading Warrior Forum and he hung up on me!
        LMAO!!
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  • Profile picture of the author SeanSupplee
    It is pretty in your face but... For most of the IM niche this is what they have gotten used to. Clickbank/Google and stuff like that over reharshed garbage again and again.

    I have no idea what the product is nor will I buy it unless someone uses it and can tell me a bit more about it. (Don't like wasting my time)

    But it actually does a good job of getting your attention and pushing those buttons for many IM affiliates and marketers out there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jos Espo
      Originally Posted by SeanSupplee View Post

      It is pretty in your face but... For most of the IM niche this is what they have gotten used to. Clickbank/Google and stuff like that over reharshed garbage again and again.

      I have no idea what the product is nor will I buy it unless someone uses it and can tell me a bit more about it. (Don't like wasting my time)

      But it actually does a good job of getting your attention and pushing those buttons for many IM affiliates and marketers out there.
      Here is a screenshot of the software (Not affiliate)
      Here is a video on how to apply it (Not affiliate)

      Best Regards
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  • Profile picture of the author truesouth
    I love the graphics... What software is used to create those headlines?
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    • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
      Originally Posted by truesouth View Post

      I love the graphics... What software is used to create those headlines?
      Photoshop, Myriad Pro & Hand of Sean fonts, and highlight layers.

      It's not special software that makes them look good, it's a skilled hand on the mouse.

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      • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
        Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

        Photoshop, Myriad Pro & Hand of Sean fonts, and highlight layers.

        It's not special software that makes them look good, it's a skilled hand on the mouse.

        Brian
        D'ya hafta kill the mouse first?
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        • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
          Originally Posted by Rezbi View Post

          D'ya hafta kill the mouse first?
          I've killed many a mouse agonizing over a frustrating design or computer that's pissing me off.

          In fact, the mouse is fairly well on the front line of computer rage.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stipe Jovic
    It looks one of the first sites which I've stumbled upon while discovering about internet marketing. No chance I would purchase this though.
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  • Profile picture of the author tibipuiu
    The whole copy is superficial and insulting to ones intelligence most of the time. From a copywriter's point of view, it's worth studying and one can actually observe that the copy is indeed very well made if you take account his target audience - lazy, broke kids as someone on the forum very well put it. It's selling like crazy too, good for him.

    However, in this slew of regurgitated and over-diluted crap out there when will be really be able to find a product that actually is innovative and financially lucrative? Hard question to answer on a forum filled with affiliate marketers hehehe
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by tibipuiu View Post

      However, in this slew of regurgitated and over-diluted crap out there when will be really be able to find a product that actually is innovative and financially lucrative? Hard question to answer on a forum filled with affiliate marketers hehehe
      Aweber is pretty good. No affiliate link either
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