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Nisip

Banned 13 years ago

maybe you have some examples of great letters that sparked attraction in girls / women...

I would really appreciate it

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Drez 13 years ago

Do a Google search of "love letters for her"... lots of results for you to choose from
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Quality Copywriter 13 years ago

hi there

I would use your own words man.

it's bound to have a more powerful effect.

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13 years ago

Scares me a little that someone wants to swipe love copy.

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Dean Jackson

13 years ago

Hahaha,

Roses are red...

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Alex Cohen 13 years ago

The personal ad (over 3,000 words) which Gary Halbert placed in a local newspaper isn't a love letter, but I bet when you read it, you'll get some great ideas.

It's here...

http://www.thegaryhalbertletter.com/13Ad%20PDF.pdf

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JohnsonML

13 years ago

I think you're asking these copywriters to do a sales letter, essentially, for a niche market of ONE. Just like any time you jump into a niche market, you've got to research it and know who you're selling to - maybe tell us a little more about the girl?

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Nisip

Banned 13 years ago

It is a girl like most of other very beautiful girls: 19 years old, smart but superficial, interested in those that she cannot have,
bored with everyone who likes her, she thinks every man is a puppy, so she is looking for a challenge and a REAL man...

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Dean Jackson

13 years ago

Didn't you say shes already your girlfriend?

Lol...

bored with everyone who likes her

interested in those that she cannot have,

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Nisip

Banned 13 years ago

she is my girlfriend in a way... I am not very sure about it.
because she gives me very mixed signals.

I want something that will sweep her off her feet... give
her strong challenge and strong emotions

Teasing, flirty, smart

she loves having fun, she loves fashion design and new experiences.

she easily gets bored if she sees someone is in love with her.

she likes Johnny Depp in Pirates of the Carribean 1

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Rezbi 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Nisip

I want something that will sweep her off her feet...

How about a broom?
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Rezbi 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Nisip

she easily gets bored if she sees someone is in love with her.

And you want to send her a love letter, seriously?

Originally Posted by Nisip

she likes Johnny Depp in Pirates of the Carribean 1

Have face transplant.
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CopyMonster

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Nisip

I read your replies and it made me sad.

it shows that love doesn't mean almost anything these days, and especially the fact that 70% of replies were ironic or sarcastic.

I hear you Nisip. Not getting the responses you hoped can be disappointing indeed. Realise though it's possible no one has a good answer (ie. love letter) for you. Not that love doesn't mean anything. They're just giving you their thoughts and experiences.

From what I can see, you don't even want to go with a love Letter in the first place. Why? You said yourself "she easily gets bored if she sees someone is in love with her". If you write some letter professing your love isn't that giving it away for her and in the process making her bored? She's not looking for love on a plate, she wants the discovery package.

And that doesn't mean you shouldn't write her a letter or message. The difference at this stage is that you want to give her the experiences she's looking for - from what you've said that's fun, fashion, new experiences!!! Tell her about fun stuff you've been doing. Ask her about fun experiences she's had, would love to have. What are some exciting things you plan to do in the near future? Tell her about some funny/weird fashion you've seen today! Who's her favorite designer? Why?

As you communicate about these things, all kinds of chemical explosions go off in her brain and she realizes - this Nisip guy, is the sh#t! (In marketing parlance... this isn't a single page sales letter deal, think of it in terms of a full on product launch. You need to build up to the irresistible offer. Sell the cool!)

You'll get farther with this approach than some single declaration of love. It might be different if her world was romance novels and films like "Twilight". Jack Sparrow isn't about love, he's about doing his thing, getting what he wants, what's most precious to him (and it's not a woman, although that often happens as a by-product).

As someone else said make her feel like she's missing out not being with you.

Yes, she's admitted she's not looking for love. Doesn't mean you can't help her discover it. But given the situation you've described if you deliver it wrapped up with a pretty bow, she's gonna 'return to sender' faster than Usain Bolt down the 100m dash.

Don't offer her the "girlfriend" experience, offer her the "this is what it's like when you roll with me" experience - the fun, the excitement... oh yeah baby...

If you don't have enough fun, exciting things going on then this is your number one priority.

Best of luck... now go slay it (not literally)

PS. Another way of looking at it is... she doesn't want to be the prize, she wants to find the prize. So you be/become the prize she wants (and in this case, it's not by writing a love letter).

PPS. The age old marketing lesson comes to fore here. Understand your customer well. What does she really want here? What's her pain/frustration/desire? Offer her the opportunity to solve that and you've got a good chance of closing the sale.

PPPS. You want to keep your messages brief, exciting, fun, and often close with a hook so she can't wait for your next one... Oh and something else important I've got to tell you, but I'm outta time, my Krav Maga class starts in 10 minutes, so next time...

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KateHunter

13 years ago

Lol, you want to sweep her off her feet- just buy her a diamond! Small stud earrings or pendant necklace. Ring would be going too far. You can get small diamonds that aren't too expensive. A huge rock would be going too far. I think the gift will be far more effective than any poetry for your situation. Actions speak louder than words.

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Daniel Harper

13 years ago

Originally Posted by KateHunter

Lol, you want to sweep her off her feet- just buy her a diamond! Small stud earrings or pendant necklace. Ring would be going too far. You can get small diamonds that aren't too expensive. A huge rock would be going too far. I think the gift will be far more effective than any poetry for your situation. Actions speak louder than words.

Oh, please don't do this either.

Kate, are you serious? This girl is giving him MIXED signals and he's supposed to buy her a rock?

You know what that'll get him?

Strung along, then stepped on.

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Russell Barnstein

13 years ago

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Daniel Harper

13 years ago

Uhmmmm...

If you're interested in this girl, the LAST thing you should do is send her a love letter.

Particularly if she is as you describe her.

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Nisip Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Harper

Uhmmmm...

If you're interested in this girl, the LAST thing you should do is send her a love letter.

Particularly if she is as you describe her.

Ok, but then what message can I write to her,
that is smart, teasing, flirty and sets her up for a challenge.

I agree that most guys just try to impress her and they all like her
very much because she is very pretty and quite talented (as painter
and fashion designer)
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- Pusateri 13 years ago
  
  Just ignore her. She'll come around.
  
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- Daniel Harper 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Nisip
  
  Ok, but then what message can I write to her,
  that is smart, teasing, flirty and sets her up for a challenge.
  
  No, don't do that. You don't explicitly challenge her. You do it implicitly.
  
  I agree that most guys just try to impress her and they all like her
  very much because she is very pretty and quite talented (as painter
  and fashion designer)
  
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  writeandreview 13 years ago
  
  Just wait 15 years. If she's not married with children by then, she'll take whatever she can find.
  
  Or, if she's your dream girl, you can make a vow of celibacy until she "gets with you". For maximum effectiveness, do it in front of all her friends. :p
  
  Just kidding. Something handwritten and simple like, "Do you like me? Check yes or no." will work.
  
  But on the off chance that it doesn't, you can always stand on the street outside her window on a moonlit night and sing her
  
  this song
  
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art72

13 years ago

Heck... my uncles (all divorced) told me when I was 7-8 years old, "Treat em like sh.t, and they'll love you forever."

While, I don't necessarily agree in totality... I have been with the same woman for 20 years this Sept. and never got married after the horror stories my (uncles) and family members told me when I was young.

Kinda like Gene Simmons...I consider it intelligent marketing practice...LOL

*Think about it...some of the best pick up lines start by pointing out a flaw...then building them back up.

IMO honestly...just be you. If you gotta be something else to impress her, or use someone elses words...tread with caution. And unless you got money to throw around....definitely don't buy no diamond, those are earned with time and trust...maybe flowers...dinner... NOT the DIAMOND!

What the heck do I know, I've been out of the game for 20 years!

Good Luck Man!

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AdwordsMogul

13 years ago

First of all, the girl you are talking about is just looking to have fun.

She is not looking for a serious relationship.

So the best you can do is to f%(< her and move on.

She is 19. She thinks she is hot.

She WILL experiment. A lot.

A letter will just make you look weak. Period.

Start showing yourself some self-respect.

Otherwise, no woman will respect you.

By the way, Halbert's letter was a lead generation ad - not something to persuade any particular woman.

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Nisip

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Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul

First of all, the girl you are talking about is just looking to have fun.

She is not looking for a serious relationship.

She is 19. She thinks she is hot.

She WILL experiment. A lot.

Great advice, but how can I be challenging and teasing her,
so that she wants me more?

I think copywriting has awesome impact onto the readers,
so I can use some of your copywriting tips guys, in my SMS texts...

Because right now,
she needs somebody that she feels she can't have, she desperately needs a challenge...

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DanielleLynnCopy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Nisip

Great advice, but how can I be challenging and teasing her,
so that she wants me more?

I think copywriting has awesome impact onto the readers,
so I can use some of your copywriting tips guys, in my SMS texts...

Because right now,
she needs somebody that she feels she can't have, she desperately needs a challenge...

Here's some womanly advice:

If you want to keep your sanity and self respect, move on. Don't give her gifts, dont look back - just drop it and move on.

Young girls have a period in their life when they think they're God's gift to men. They flaunt their looks and feed their egos with compliments and items from suckers such as "love letters" and "gifts." They ooh and aww and smile sweetly— while they string you along and see how much they can squeeze out of you.

Then they laugh with their girlfriends at the 'dope' who spent $500 getting them a diamond pendant.

Judging by your description, she's in this stage.

The reason she loses interest in guys that show interest is that she's not interested in relationships. As I stated, girls like that are only interested in ego feeding.

Now, if you still want to follow this dead-end path, the closest thing to "love copy" are those pick-up artist books: Mystery Method etc.

I don't recommend them. They don't teach you how to build relationships, they teach you how to manipulate your image to bed women.

However, even those guides would tell you the best way to get a response from this girl would be to play cold and make her seek your validation.

And do not listen to the comment telling you to buy her diamonds. That's the stupidest thing you can do with a girl like that.

Don't let a pretty face cloud your judgement

Good luck Nisip

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AdwordsMogul 13 years ago

Originally Posted by DanielleLynnCopy

... That's the stupidest thing you can do with a girl like that.

Don't let a pretty face cloud your judgement Good luck Nisip

Wow, few women give dating advice this honest...

I have to say Danielle, you have my maximum respect.

Nisip... that's the best advice you can get.

On the upside, if you listen to it, and let her go, there is a 99% chance she will start coming after you.
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  Write out every Shakespearean sonnet by hand.
  
  You'll suddenly see a vast improvement in your love letter writing, no matter whether you've got natural talent or not.
  
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Nisip

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by DanielleLynnCopy

Young girls have a period in their life when they think they're God's gift to men. They flaunt their looks and feed their egos with compliments and items from suckers such as "love letters" and "gifts." They ooh and aww and smile sweetly— while they string you along and see how much they can squeeze out of you.

Then they laugh with their girlfriends at the 'dope' who spent $500 getting them a diamond pendant.

Judging by your description, she's in this stage.

The reason she loses interest in guys that show interest is that she's not interested in relationships. As I stated, girls like that are only interested in ego feeding.

Now, if you still want to follow this dead-end path, the closest thing to "love copy" are those pick-up artist books: Mystery Method etc.

I don't recommend them. They don't teach you how to build relationships, they teach you how to manipulate your image to bed women.

However, even those guides would tell you the best way to get a response from this girl would be to play cold and make her seek your validation.

Don't let a pretty face cloud your judgement

Good luck Nisip

Thank you for your insights.

Yes she is a pretty face and yes she has been clouding my judgement,
but unfortunately she's the only one on my mind now, and I want to
try something, because there is just one girl that I like in a whole year usually...
I go out very often.... and when I saw her, I knew instantly that
I would be a much better person if I would have her by my side...

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Maybe still there is something that I can do?

Because I am a warrior, and not a give-upper...

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MikeHumphreys

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Nisip

Thank you for your insights.

Yes she is a pretty face and yes she has been clouding my judgement,
but unfortunately she's the only one on my mind now, and I want to
try something, because there is just one girl that I like in a whole year usually...
I go out very often.... and when I saw her, I knew instantly that
I would be a much better person if I would have her by my side...

Here is a picture of her:

Maybe still there is something that I can do?

Because I am a warrior, and not a give-upper...

For starters, don't post her picture in public forums without her permission. It's sure-fire way to either scare her or piss her off.

And it's not giving up.

It's cutting your losses before she decides that you're some type of creepy stalker and doesn't want anything to do with you at all. It's recognizing that what you're doing now isn't working and is only making things worse.

As a happily married man who dated a lot of women in my 20s and 30s, here's my romantic advice to you:

1. Don't chase a woman ever. EVER. It makes you boring and not a challenge. If a woman is interested in you, she'll find a way to let you know. You just need to pay attention and pick up the signs that she's giving.

2. Romantically speaking, in democratic countries women are usually the one who decides who they're going to be with.

3. If you haven't been given the opportunity to be with her romantically yet, then the odds are extremely high that you're never going to be with her.

That might hurt your feelings to hear but I think you deserve to hear the truth before you get hurt even more.

4. Make yourself a more attractive candidate. Get in better shape. Dress better. Build your online business so you're making more money. Treat every woman you met nicely, and not just the pretty ones.

5. This one's courtesy of an old client of mine that was married over 50 years... a true "till death do us part" type of marriage. It really connected with me at the time... hopefully it will do the same for you.

A woman doesn't complete or enhance you. She's your equal and your best friend who inspires you to become a better man every day.

Hope that helps,

Mike

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Rigmonkey 13 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys

happily married

Oxymoron of the year! I actually think it's better than 'fighting for peace'.
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- MikeHumphreys 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Rigmonkey
  
  Oxymoron of the year! I actually think it's better than 'fighting for peace'.
  
  Gotta roll out a one-liner that a buddy of mine said years ago and I swiped without shame.
  
  "My wife tells me that married life is treating me great."
  
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  writeandreview 13 years ago
  
  Everyone's taking this seriously, guess I'm the idiot of the group today.
  
  I thought you were scamming/trolling to boost your post count and promote your sig link.
  
  I thought you hoping that a copywriter would give you love letter template which you could sell
  
  But after reading some of your previous posts, I conclude that you are not a troll. (I'm skeptical by nature, not cuz I hate ya.)
  
  Anywayz,
  
  Here's my serious advice:
  
  No salesman, no copywriter can create a need for a product. Either the need exists or it doesn't.
  
  So two important questions to answer are:
  What is my product?
  
  Does this girl need my product?
  
  After you answer those two questions, you can make a case for your product.
  
  Or ...
  
  You could try some super persuasive, mind power, Jedi ninja NLP ....
  
  Dear pretty blonde girl laying in the flowers, looking like a JC Penney catalog model ... as you carefully read each word of this love letter, you desire me with each fiber of your being. As you painstakingly devote your attention to every letter of every word on this page, the cells of your tanned, sun washed epidermal layer cry out for my touch ...
  
  Oh to be young and in love!
  
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  Rigmonkey 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys
  
  "My wife tells me that married life is treating me great."
  
  Without wishing to hijack the thread, I'll add one more before leaving our lovesick hero to win over his fair maiden.
  
  We went to a 'Gentleman's Evening' some years ago. They're pretty sordid affairs that usually consist of a Northern comedian and a couple of really dodgy strippers who go to to surprising lengths to overcome their lack of natural beauty.
  
  As bad as the strippers are, the comedians are always surprisingly good and a favourite line of mine came from a chap who must have been in his seventies but was still touring some of the seediest club in the UK.
  
  "I've been married twice, and it's only because I couldn't believe how bad it was the first time".
  
  It's stayed with me forever! Back to topic...
  
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Ross Bowring

13 years ago

Mike, I love ya, but I've gotta chime in on this Entertainment Tonight (ET) "HOT" topic...

Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys

1. Don't chase a woman ever. EVER. It makes you boring and not a challenge. If a woman is interested in you, she'll find a way to let you know. You just need to pay attention and pick up the signs that she's giving.

But that's exactly how I got my wife to notice me. I bugged the hell out of her for weeks. When you are romantically aiming "above your station" you can't rely on her to give the cues. You must engage in what I like to call... "Persuasion." The lives of your future children depend on it.

Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys

2. Romantically speaking, in democratic countries women are usually the one who decides who they're going to be with.

Can't argue with that.

Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys

3. If you haven't been given the opportunity to be with her romantically yet, then the odds are extremely high that you're never going to be with her.

Is this the attitude that won World War II..?

Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys

4. Make yourself a more attractive candidate. Get in better shape. Dress better. Build your online business so you're making more money. Treat every woman you meet nicely, and not just the pretty ones.

Agreed. Always treat true love like a job search :-)

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MikeHumphreys

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Ross Bowring

Mike, I love ya, but I've gotta chime in on this Entertainment Tonight (ET) "HOT" topic...

Welcome to the party. Pull up a chair and I'll pass the popcorn.

But that's exactly how I got my wife to notice me. I bugged the hell out of her for weeks. When you are romantically aiming "above your station" you can't rely on her to give the cues. You must engage in what I like to call... "Persuasion." The lives of your future children depend on it.

I'm guessing she was giving you enough cues for staying that persistent. You wouldn't have stayed at the "sort of, kind of my girlfriend" for as long as the OP mentioned he's been doing.

Is this the attitude that won World War II..?

"Did we quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? No!"

Sorry, movie quote there.

I'd say it was the nukes being dropped on Japan that won World War II.

Agreed. Always treat true love like a job search :-)

--- Ross

I agree. It's definitely better than treating it like a prisoner interrogation.

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Ross Bowring 13 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys

I'd say it was the nukes being dropped on Japan that won World War II.

And stiff upper lips on the home front.

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Rezbi

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys

2. Romantically speaking, in democratic countries women are usually the one who decides who they're going to be with.

I don't like to bring this type of stuff up, especially on the WF, but...

Mike,

I don't think I've ever thought to say this to you before, but that's a very arrogant statement.

It just shows you believe everything you see, hear or read in the western media.

Just because you may have the odd times, doesn't make it common. Just as men in the UK, US and others kill and rape women, we don't assume all men do it.

Please tell me I'm wrong and you made a mistake.

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ewenmack 13 years ago

Nisip,

Looks like you have swiped the photo off tinypic.com.

http://i52.tinypic.com/alq7nq.jpg

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- FuturePrinceofPrint 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by ewenmack
  
  Nisip,
  
  Looks like you have swiped the photo off tinypic.com.
  
  http://i52.tinypic.com/alq7nq.jpg
  
  Best,
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  Hahahahah... Oh my God.. Hahahah
  
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MikeHumphreys

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Rezbi

I don't like to bring this type of stuff up, especially on the WF, but...

Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys

2. Romantically speaking, in democratic countries women are usually the one who decides who they're going to be with.

Mike,

I don't think I've ever thought to say this to you before, but that's a very arrogant statement.

It just shows you believe everything you see, hear or read in the western media.

Just because you may have the odd times, doesn't make it common. Just as men in the UK, US and others kill and rape women, we don't assume all men do it.

Please tell me I'm wrong and you made a mistake.

Rezbi,

I'm not sure why you think it's arrogant. That wasn't my intent.

I'm speaking from my experiences and other men I've talked to over the years. I don't know a single guy who's wife directly asked them to marry them. It was the guy making the marriage proposal and the woman saying "yes".

I do know several men who's significant others brought up the idea of living together or marriage... but in the cases where it led to a marriage proposal... my experience has been it's always been the man asking and the woman saying yes or no.

When the topic was brought up by the woman... again, they're deciding how serious they want things to become with their partner.

And speaking of rape... in situations where it's NOT rape, isn't the woman the one who decide who she wants to be physically intimate with?

Arranged marriages... mail order brides... non-democratic countries... religions that I'm not deeply familiar with... may differ.

Hope that helps clear things up.

Mike

P.S. Just looked up "proposal of relationship" in Wikipedia and saw that in the United Kingdom and Ireland, 29 February in a Leap day is said to be the one day when a woman can propose to her partner.

While I'm familiar with many U.K. customs, I'm not from the U.K. If that's why you thought I was being arrogant for omitting this tradition of your country, then please accept my apologies. It's not a tradition that exists in the U.S. or some of the other countries' histories that I've studied to date. If the roles were reversed, I'm sure there's U.S. traditions that you would not be familiar with either.

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Rezbi

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys

Rezbi,

I'm not sure why you think it's arrogant. That wasn't my intent.

I'm speaking from my experiences and other men I've talked to over the years. I don't know a single guy who's wife directly asked them to marry them. It was the guy making the marriage proposal and the woman saying "yes".

I do know several men who's significant others brought up the idea of living together or marriage... but in the cases where it led to a marriage proposal... my experience has been it's always been the man asking and the woman saying yes or no.

When the topic was brought up by the woman... again, they're deciding how serious they want things to become with their partner.

And speaking of rape... in situations where it's NOT rape, isn't the woman the one who decide who she wants to be physically intimate with?

Arranged marriages... mail order brides... non-democratic countries... religions that I'm not deeply familiar with... may differ.

Hope that helps clear things up.

Mike

P.S. Just looked up "proposal of relationship" in Wikipedia and saw that in the United Kingdom and Ireland, 29 February in a Leap day is said to be the one day when a woman can propose to her partner.

While I'm familiar with many U.K. customs, I'm not from the U.K. If that's why you thought I was being arrogant for omitting this tradition of your country, then please accept my apologies. It's not a tradition that exists in the U.S. or some of the other countries' histories that I've studied to date. If the roles were reversed, I'm sure there's U.S. traditions that you would not be familiar with either.

Isn't the fact the woman makes the decision to say yes or no the same as a guy going up to a woman and asking for a date - she can say yes or no?

Unless I've been mistaken all these years, it's usually the guy who does the chasing and the woman accepting or not.

And far as arranged marriages are concerned, it happens in the west much more than they'd like to let on.

The media just prefer to make us out to be the bad guys. And too many people are eating that up like there's no tomorrow.

And what really got on my wick is the part about democratic countries.

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Rigmonkey

13 years ago

Boy! Whatever happened to the good old days? When you wanted the attention of a girl, the best way to get it was to make a move on her sister (or, as we got older, her mother).

My tuppence worth...

It all sounds way too high maintenance. Copywriting for the chance of copping off with a girl you fancy? Whatever happened to badly-written poetry, messages passed between friends and stolen glances across a room while your mates were in the middle of it having a right old tear up with a bunch of rugby players?

The say the age of romance is dead. I'm starting to believe them!

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FuturePrinceofPrint

13 years ago

Write out these poems by Pablo Neruda (the best ones are "I crave your mouth and "Love"). They're full of emotion and passion. If you can't write a tear-jerking-love-note after this... then, you might as well hang it up. Poetry by Pablo Neruda, the best poems

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Rigmonkey 13 years ago

Originally Posted by FuturePrinceofPrint

Poetry by Pablo Neruda, the best poems

Pah! Hardly a collection of his best poems if it doesn't include "I do not love you". Brilliance...
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- FuturePrinceofPrint 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Rigmonkey
  
  Pah! Hardly a collection of his best poems if it doesn't include "I do not love you". Brilliance...
  
  It's on the page I posted and, it's called "sonnet XVII"
  
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  Rigmonkey 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by FuturePrinceofPrint
  
  It's on the page I posted and, it's called "sonnet XVII"
  
  Really? Thanks for adding to my admittedly poor knowledge of poetry! I'm more of a Parker or Larkin man myself. At least they were every bit as miserable about life as I am!
  
  Funnily enough, that Neruda poem was actually sent to me by an old flame of mine. I was actually surprised that it didn't include the entire thing, but simply focused on the first five words.
  
  ...and then she left me! :p
  
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Dean Jackson

13 years ago

It is pretty creepy that you post her pic on a public forum with thousands of visitors... but I like Mikes advice

... as well as a little something I learned from uncle Johnny:

Women are like bank loans... if you look like you need one, you won't get one.

What if you were extremely handsome or rich? Would she mess with you with "mixed signals" ? Take Mikes advice and become someone worth chasing yourself.

I thought this was a troll post before, but if you're serious, my bad...

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Daniel Harper

13 years ago

Yikes! Did you just post her pic on a public forum?

Dude.

Duuuuuuuude.

Remove that picture. You don't want to do that.

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Nisip

Banned 13 years ago

I read your replies and it made me sad.

it shows that love doesn't mean almost anything these days, and especially the fact that 70% of replies were ironic or sarcastic.

I removed the picture, but some other people gave the direct link to it

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Rigmonkey

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Nisip

...it shows that love doesn't mean almost anything these days, and especially the fact that 70% of replies were ironic or sarcastic.

Dude - Let me tell you a little bit about love and relationships. They thrive on irony and sarcasm. If you think it's all roses and chocolates, you've been badly informed somewhere along the line.

Love is a war zone, and the only weapon you're armed with is your humour. As a man, I'd urge you to never trust the enemy. Fight back, and fight back with as much irony and sarcasm as you possibly can.

She says she behaves wierd and childishly? Tell her you agree, and it makes you want to laugh at her!

She doesn't write for 4 weeks? Tell her you really miss seeing the mailman!

She says she doesn't want to fall in love? Tell her that with that attitude, it's probably a good thing!

She wants to play mind games? Play them back, and damned well make sure you play them better!

A woman that's worth having in your life doesn't mess you about. She doesn't leave you hanging by a thread to see how much you care. She doesn't lower herself to indulge in stupid games that affect her reputation. She treats you as an equal, and you treat her the same way.

At the risk of reducing my popularity around here (not that I've ever had any), I'd drop her on her backside as fast as I could and start running, and I'd carry on running until the last echo of her whining had fallen in my tracks.

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ewenmack

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Rigmonkey

At the risk of reducing my popularity around here (not that I've ever had any), I'd drop her on her backside as fast as I could and start running, and I'd carry on running until the last echo of her whining had fallen in my tracks.

You can expect your popularity to go down here...only from the wimps!

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Nisip

Banned 13 years ago

she wrote to me few times today.

"I know I behave childish and weird. I didn't write anything to you for 4 weeks
because I was wondering if it has any sense. I don't want to fall in love."
(yes, I know that this is girl's coded talk, which I am unable to understand
what it means, because everyone wants to fall in love and be happy,
so these are just mindgames texts, but I don't know the meaning of them...)

(this after she was madly happy with me for 5 days we spent all the time
together, she was naked almost all the time, and she told me many times how amazing I am)

I don't know what to reply to this.

What do you think?

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ewenmack 13 years ago

Nipsip,

You both sound confused.

A woman feels more comfortable when she has a man
who is strong and takes the lead.

Telling her you love and adore her so early on in the relationship is
seen as weak because it comes off as needing validation from her.

A strong man is comfortable in his own skin.

Women love leaders.

It's a primal instinct for women to be with a leader.

You be the leader.

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Ross Bowring 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Nisip

(this after she was madly happy with me for 5 days we spent all the time
together, she was naked almost all the time, and she told me many times how amazing I am)

Breaking News into the ET studio...

Bro... you spent 5 days of nakedness!

A full international cricket test-match (with breaks for "tea") of ungodly pleasures, and yet you whine for more like a malnourished Oliver Twist?

To quote the ESPN Sunday Countdown guys... "C'mon man!"

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ChrisD

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Nisip

"I know I behave childish and weird. I didn't write anything to you for 4 weeks because I was wondering if it has any sense. I don't want to fall in love."

Your reply: "Has it been four weeks already? Geez, how time flies!"

Then you WAIT for her to answer...
and when she does....
you WAIT for the next day and reply...

"Wow, that party last night was totally wild! You should've been there."

RULE OF THUMB:
You don't talk about her or send her any love letters or gifts UNTIL she shows interest... and she won't show you any interest UNTIL you're INTERESTING and she feels she is missing out.

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That's your roadmap. Personally the best thing that will work for you is to move on to the next one i.e dump her... but you can't because you're NOT dating her.

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Dean Jackson

13 years ago

Scarcity doesn't work unless there's enough desire in the first place....

Originally Posted by ChrisD

Your reply: "Has it been four weeks already? Geez, how time flies!"

Then you WAIT for her to answer...
and when she does....
you WAIT for the next day and reply...

"Wow, that party last night was totally wild! You should've been there."

RULE OF THUMB:
You don't talk about her or send her any love letters or gifts UNTIL she shows interest... and she won't show you any interest UNTIL you're INTERESTING and she feels she is missing out.

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That's your roadmap. Personally the best thing that will work for you is to move on to the next one i.e dump her... but you can't because you're NOT dating her.

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ChrisD 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dean Jackson

Scarcity doesn't work unless there's enough desire in the first place....

It's not scarcity we're provoking here. It's fear of loss. Loss of the fun she's missing out on by not being with him.

Although I think he may have dropped the ball already by being too needy for the past four weeks and pursuing this girl relentlessly already. His coming here to ask for a love letter "magic bullet" could be proof of that.

I've been doing this for a long time and helped many people -- and NO I don't do it for a living or sell ebooks about it. I do it because I like it.

This is why I said his best bet is to let her go and move on.

Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul

Also, even though your SMS advice might work... it will only lead to a very painful co-dependent relationship.

I agree with you, and that's why I gave him his choice. It's been my experience that us guys don't LISTEN very well and always think we can fix things. Can't tell you how many times I've heard, "you were right" in my life.

This guy is young (and age doesn't make a difference on the ignorance level) let him learn this lesson now while he can still afford to. The girl is just that "a little girl" let her play him. Our words will resonate with him after the fact.

To the OP:

Listen mate you've known this girl for what? A month, a little more? To paraphrase the lady poster earlier... think with the CORRECT head. A month does not a relationship make. All you've got is raging hormones from a five day s3xfest. I know how you feel, I've been there, done that and burnt the t-shirt.

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  Originally Posted by ChrisD
  
  ... I know how you feel, I've been there, done that and burnt the t-shirt.
  
  Good luck
  
  At least, you got a t-shirt! :p
  
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AdwordsMogul

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ChrisD

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That's your roadmap. Personally the best thing that will work for you is to move on to the next one i.e dump her... but you can't because you're NOT dating her.

That's true.

Also, even though your SMS advice might work... it will only lead to a very painful co-dependent relationship.

At best...

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Nisip

Banned 13 years ago

News and updates:

My last 3 texts to her were interesting and exciting. No reply though from her.
She told me 1 month ago that after she gets a guy, she gets bored and she is not interested anymore... it is very silly, what really motivates 19 year old girls after
all ?

Before her changing like this, she was answering to my every text immediately,
and she was accepting every of my invitations to meet...

So this is her last message, from friday:

"Yes, your jokes with little John have something that turn me on :-D But he is too young for me... I'm just drawing a nude now. There is a beautiful young woman with nice shapes and some tattoos :-p
What do you think about women with tattoos? Is it sexy or not feminine? "

What to answer in order to increase attraction?

She is just playing with me, answering on average just once to every 5 sms that I write to her...

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Rigmonkey 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Nisip

What to answer in order to increase attraction?

If she said this...

"Yes, your jokes with little John have something that turn me on :-D But he is too young for me... I'm just drawing a nude now. There is a beautiful young woman with nice shapes and some tattoos :-p
What do you think about women with tattoos? Is it sexy or not feminine?"

I'd say this...

"I think women that actually have their tattoos spelt correctly are real class acts. I don't see them as being sexy or feminine. I think it makes them look like sailors, and you stopped floating my boat weeks ago.

Are you drawing a nude of yourself? What size paper are you using, and is it going to be big enough to accomodate your ego? Little John says the same and he made me laugh so much, we're going out to a lapdancing club together. I'm taking your sister AND your mother along. We're going to have a great time while you're sitting at home ignoring text messages.

Have a great life and the very best of luck. God knows you're going to need it!"

Feel free to use this one. There's no charge for my services on this and I'll even give you the copyright if it stops her bloody whining. I'm sure you're a great bloke, and I'm still pretty convinced there's something very tongue-in-cheek about this thread. If, for just one minute, you are actually serious about pursuing this immature, game-playing egotist, then I'd seriously suggest doing it in a more private manner.

She's playing with your heart and with your mind. I have words for people like that, irrespective of what gender they are. Shallow doesn't even begin to describe it. Do you REALLY want to be with a woman like that?
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Dean Jackson

13 years ago

She's got you hook line and sinker... trying to play you my friend. Get the hint already!!

Let it go, if she doesn't respect you now she never will. You can't increase someones desire if they don't want what you have in the first place...

OK, this thread is weird enough with copywriters giving you game advice, lol... but everyone is just being real with you. Nobody owes you love.

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Nisip

Banned 13 years ago

Hi Rigmonkey

I liked a lot your message, but I cannot send it to her, because it would offend her
and probably she would not meet me again.

These type of girls who I like, usually act like princesses and expect to be treated as princesses...
Also, they are 18-19 years old, and at this age, yes they can have pretty much any guy, so
they are turned on only by the ones that reject them or ignore them in a cool and superior way
However I still think it's a very interesting challenge to find some
good texts (SMSes) to use that spark interest, and attraction in girls...Thank you all for your input feedback and thoughts, it means a lot to me!

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Rose Anderson

13 years ago

Danielle gave you the best advice.

The girl is only 19. You can't sweep her off her feet when she's not ready to be swept.
And to be totally honest, you'd probably regret it eventually if you did. At some point she'd look back and think about all the "fun" she missed by getting into a serious relationship too soon. Then you'd truly be set up for a heartbreak.

You want her to be "challenged". But there's no challenge for her when she knows you're already head over heels crazy about her. Give her some time to grow up and accept she might not be ready for a serious relationship.

I have to toss this in: You'll often hear comments on these types of boards how you shouldn't listen to make money advice from poor people...makes no sense. Well it's also true not everyone on this board should be giving relationship advice.

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