Why Copywriters Make the Best Internet Marketers

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Here's a thought...

The whole backbone of online marketing is traffic plus conversion. And in theory, aren't copywriters the conversion experts? So if we just focus on the traffic side of things and write killer converting copy we always do, won't we really crush it in our earnings?

Think about it.

What drives those CPA offers? Landing pages? PPV campaigns? Isn't it compelling copy?

And honestly... Traffic generation isn't hard. We got enough WSOs to get you started. But the X factor? Conversion. Copy can be taught but masterful persuasion takes years of practice and an innate sense of what works.

Imagine getting a regular 20% CTR off Google PPC (I have), wouldn't that make a difference in your earnings.

Copywriters... You have an edge. Maybe its time to diversify your income from services and start putting your skills into business for yourself.

What are your thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Originally Posted by KennethYu View Post

    And honestly... Traffic generation isn't hard. We got enough WSOs to get you started.
    It's not hard in theory but it's very time consuming and detail oriented work to get results. Overall, I agree with you but to me generating traffic is a pain in the butt. There's only so much time in a day and if you're writing good copy or content or both there ain't much time left for schlepping around getting backlinks and all the rest.

    I noticed your 20% conversions were from PPC. Sure, that's traffic all right, paid traffic. Which, when you think about it might just be the smart thing to do considering that SEO takes time and time is money.

    Copywriting is certainly a MAJOR component of success along with great content. But both sit still as death without targeted visitors so it's sort of a symbiotic relationship with SEO and paid ads as I see it.
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    • Profile picture of the author CopyAcolyte
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      It's not hard in theory but it's very time consuming and detail oriented work to get results. Overall, I agree with you but to me generating traffic is a pain in the butt. There's only so much time in a day and if you're writing good copy or content or both there ain't much time left for schlepping around getting backlinks and all the rest.

      I noticed your 20% conversions were from PPC. Sure, that's traffic all right, paid traffic. Which, when you think about it might just be the smart thing to do considering that SEO takes time and time is money.

      Copywriting is certainly a MAJOR component of success along with great content. But both sit still as death without targeted visitors so it's sort of a symbiotic relationship with SEO and paid ads as I see it.
      I've always thought that copywriters should write, and marketing researchers should handle the logistics of getting lists, setting up sales funnels, web development, etc.

      This way, both professionals won't have to dilute their talents and time. I mean, if you're a freelance copywriter, you need to maximize your time writing and reading if you want to stay on top.

      Marketing research and logistics is just too time-consuming. It's the art of hustling, not the art of persuasion; we copywriters need to focus on the latter.
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  • Profile picture of the author MissLauraCatella
    Well...

    What do you mean by "best internet marketer?"

    Those who make the most money? Those with the highest average conversion rates?

    The thing is, even par or just sub-par copy will convert to some sales if you get enough targeted traffic to it. So decent copy with a flood of targeted traffic can perform well, too.

    No matter how compelling your copy is, it HAS to be put in front of interested eyes. Period. I don't think it's fair to poo-poo on the importance of generating traffic.

    But, if "best" were to be considered in terms of artfulness, sales ability, and (probably) creativity and charisma, then sure, copywriters take it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rigmonkey
      There's always that risk of becoming a 'jack-of-all-trades' if you over-invest your own time into what is essentially two totally different jobs. As the saying goes, you eventually become 'master of none'. Anyone who is marketing seriously knows that all those promises of making money in your sleep essentially mean you'll make money if you only sleep for five minutes a day. Marketing is hard, time-consuming work that needs total dedication, long hours, patient families and painstaking application. Nobody should ever think otherwise.

      The same goes for copywriting. Most copywriters I know throw in 12 to 14 hour days and are flaked by the end of them. If they become involved in marketing, those hours either become longer or the amount of time spent writing has to decrease. I do believe the copywriters should maybe dabble with marketing to help understand the needs of their clients a little better, but trying to juggle so many balls in doing both jobs simultaneously will eventually have a detrimental effect on performance and results.

      Outsourcing is an option, but this means you never really get to measure your own results and that kind of takes away the whole point of copywriters trying marketing in the first place. Great marketers are great marketers. Great copywriters are great copywriters. Very, very few can be both.

      For me, and this is purely a personal opinion, I'll always believe in putting 'aces in their places'. I know that there will be people out there who are dynamic enough to do both but we're talking about exceptional animals with that special little something that sets them apart. I'd rather be a great copywriter, or a great marketer, instead of just being good at both.
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  • That's exactly what I'm thinking about doing. It's funny you mention it because, I'm getting tired of all these dumb-ass-wanna-be marketers pillaging and plundering my sales copy... It pisses me off.

    If Halbert could do it and Carlton can do it.. then, so can I.
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  • P.S. Some of the best copywriters are the ones who ran their own business. Like: Halbert, Sugarman, Carlton, Craig Garber... The list goes on and on...
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  • Profile picture of the author KennethYu
    Great answers... Telling from the some of the responses... Maybe I didn't clarify...

    I think there's a distinction between a copywriting professional and a copywriter who wants to run a company.

    If you're inclined to just be a copywriter and make that your full time profession, than that's cool. You can still make a ton of money that way ala Clayton Makepeace.

    But I personally feel copywriters can make the best transitions to entrepreneurs because of their grasp of persuasion. I mean... Look at the list of the legends of our industry -- Mark Joyner, Mike Dillard, Perry Belcher, etc.

    And of course, there's the king of them all -- Michael Masterson, whose copy chops jump started the $300 million giant known as Agora.

    In fact, you can a similar blueprint from Doberman Dan's recent fantastic blog entry here if you want to go that route:

    dobermandan.com/secrets-of-the-richest-direct-marketers-in-the-world-part-2/
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    • Profile picture of the author copyassassin
      Originally Posted by KennethYu View Post

      But I personally feel copywriters can make the best transitions to entrepreneurs because of their grasp of persuasion.
      I kinda disagree.

      In specific with the notion of "persuasion".

      In my mind "persuasion" is like the stripper trying to get you to get a lab dance.

      There's something uneasy about it. Like its not completely right.

      However, I do agree that copywriters can take a problem, present an offer in a unique way that resonates with the buyer. And yes, there tips and tricks to increase conversion. Is that "persuasion"?

      I don't think so.

      To me at least, "persuasion" is overtly using emotions to shut down the rational part of the brain to so objections decreases or don't exist at all. And yes, emotions do rule buying decisions. "Persuasion" is like alcohol.

      Conversation however, I'm okay with.

      And I'm not sure were the line is, but as Potter Stewart said reguarding pornography, "I know it when I see it".

      However, even at the 10,000 ft view, in which "persuasion" and "conversion" are blurred, I still disagree.

      Being an Entrepreneur is about execution. And frankly, marketing people in general are too in the head to execute.
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    • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
      Originally Posted by KennethYu View Post


      dobermandan.com/secrets-of-the-richest-direct-marketers-in-the-world-part-2/

      IMHO Doberman Dan's blog is one of the very best on the web, especially since Clayton took his down. He has a ton of great info, and it's no BS.

      His Kitchen Table Business Course is also VERY GOOD and worth the investment IMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    Originally Posted by KennethYu View Post

    Copywriters... You have an edge. Maybe its time to diversify your income from services and start putting your skills into business for yourself.
    What are your thoughts?
    That point I agree with.

    Copywriters should have a stake in products, and build their own as well.

    Ideally they should be able to produce a sales page that's so strong, so high converting, that it attracts tons of discriminating affiliates...affiliates who troll around big product sites like Clickbank, looking for reliable, proven winners.

    A skilled copywriter is better equipped to do that than anyone else, imo.
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