Best IM Sales Video EVER!

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Worth watching. It's very compelling. Great script, editing, music, etc. Love it how these guys went balls out with the production, bringing in a great actor (?), plane, car, house, and more to really drive the point home.

This is not an endorsement of the program, by the way. Don't know a thing about that.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChristopherTheron
    Wow. I wonder what the price tag was on this video? A lot of effort went into it obviously. I hope it paid off.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    Originally Posted by David Hooper View Post

    This is not an endorsement of the program, by the way. Don't know a thing about that.
    Have you seen their disclaimer? Here is a small direct quote from the disclaimer on the bottom of their sales/landing page:

    Statistics show that 99.9% of people purchasing this system will see no results and this may be likely to be the case with you also.
    Also... you know those annoying windows notification popups that keep you from being able to leave the site?

    They run you through? They force you through no less than 5 of them making it nearly impossible to close the browser window.

    Btw if you listen to just 30 seconds around the 4 minute mark the guy describes exactly who they think their target market is... losers.

    At around the 31 minute mark he pitches his software and at 32:18 he begins to close the deal:

    - You don't need to create products products
    - You don't need any skills
    - You don't need any spare time
    No, I did not watch the whole thing. I skimmed for about 3 minutes...

    Now I feel like I need to take a shower.

    Ugh... at 36 minutes there is a shot of him in his bathroom with a robe on.

    The video has a surprise ending where he meets up with a hook... ...er I mean model in a hotel room

    Greezy.

    If you are selling to desperate unitiated losers then this is the video for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author mikestewart
      Just my opinion but this video sucks any way you look at it. Also, any sales video longer that 10 minutes loses my attention. If you can't sell someone on a product in 10 minutes, they are not buying. Just my opinion of course.
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    • Profile picture of the author want2knowhow
      Originally Posted by Josh Anderson View Post

      Have you seen their disclaimer? Here is a small direct quote from the disclaimer on the bottom of their sales/landing page:

      Also... you know those annoying windows notification popups that keep you from being able to leave the site?

      They run you through? They force you through no less than 5 of them making it nearly impossible to close the browser window.

      Btw if you listen to just 30 seconds around the 4 minute mark the guy describes exactly who they think their target market is... losers.

      At around the 31 minute mark he pitches his software and at 32:18 he begins to close the deal:

      No, I did not watch the whole thing. I skimmed for about 3 minutes...

      Now I feel like I need to take a shower.

      Ugh... at 36 minutes there is a shot of him in his bathroom with a robe on.

      The video has a surprise ending where he meets up with a hook... ...er I mean model in a hotel room

      Greezy.

      If you are selling to desperate unitiated losers then this is the video for you.
      ...OMG! My stomach is hurting from laughing so hard! And you wasn't even trying to be funny!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    That might actually be the worst IM sales video of all time. Forget the Rich Jerk, this guy is the Rich D-Bag.

    It's definitely not for people like me because I wouldn't buy that on principle.

    However, I can see how opportunity seeking newbies who are in desperate need for someone to lead them to the promised land would buy that. And then refund LOL.

    That said, they're probably making a killing in sales. The opinions of WF are often a contrary indicator.
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    I like how they misspelled whether on the opening caption.
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  • Profile picture of the author noangel
    The guy doesn't even know the difference between "whether" and the "weather"! lol!!!

    I think it's rather presumptuous of them to assume people have 45+ minutes to waste
    listening to their drivel.

    Let me sum it up as eloquently as I can under the circumstances... yuk!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jkhurramov
    All they want is to make you purchase in your inthusiasm watching it.
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    • Profile picture of the author NicheMayhem
      I nearly instantly hate that guy, just me?

      Sadly, people may fall for this sort of thing. I love how the only comment on the video in youtube is a guy who talks about how scammy the program is. How it is a wordpress plugin for the most part which scrapes content oh and that nobody can get it to work, lol.

      45 minutes of this guy strokin his own nuts, wonder how many times he iterates how much of a loser I am. Does that really motivate people to give him their money? Sad, sad, sad marketing right there.
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      • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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        Originally Posted by NicheMayhem View Post


        45 minutes of this guy strokin his own nuts, wonder how many times he iterates how much of a loser I am. Does that really motivate people to give him their money? Sad, sad, sad marketing right there.
        Yeah - didn't work for The Rich Jerk either. Oh wait...




        BTW your sig should read "You're right" as in "you are right". Not "your right". You're welcome.
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        • Profile picture of the author NicheMayhem
          Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

          Yeah - didn't work for The Rich Jerk either. Oh wait...




          BTW your sig should read "You're right" as in "you are right". Not "your right". You're welcome.
          Yeah The Rich Jerk made money, lots of it. I still wouldn't trade my integrity for all the money that can be made by it though. I found the video to be offensive and quite useless, sorry.

          Hey thanks for the tip copywritin' man. You ARE absolutely correct.
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          • Profile picture of the author Linda_C
            Here's George Clooney in a 2008 martini ad. (photo copyright Camera Press)




            And our "rich" video star @ 41 seconds into the video. Hahahahahhahah....





            Note: To give proper credit, found this at: Who Is James Denzel - the Go Click Cash Guy? and checked the photo credit to be sure.

            He's photoshopped - but we're all losers. Mm-hmm. Hahahahaha.
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            • Profile picture of the author NicheMayhem
              Originally Posted by Linda_C View Post

              Here's George Clooney in a 2008 martini ad. (photo copyright Camera Press)




              And our "rich" video star @ 41 seconds into the video. Hahahahahhahah....





              Note: To give proper credit, found this at: Who Is James Denzel - the Go Click Cash Guy? and checked the photo credit to be sure.

              He's photoshopped - but we're all losers. Mm-hmm. Hahahahaha.
              lol, that is too funny. Nice find.

              Makes you wonder how some people sleep at night. The psychology of it, at least to me, insinuates that they would seriously have to consider every one of their customers to be total morons. Perhaps, to them, the entire world is full of complete idiots who deserve to be ripped off and they are the smart ones who see the opportunity. I couldn't live with myself having a hand in peddling such garbage to anyone, much less consider them stupid for buying into my own nonsense.
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            • Profile picture of the author nathanj
              Originally Posted by Linda_C View Post

              Here's George Clooney in a 2008 martini ad. (photo copyright Camera Press)




              And our "rich" video star @ 41 seconds into the video. Hahahahahhahah....





              Note: To give proper credit, found this at: Who Is James Denzel - the Go Click Cash Guy? and checked the photo credit to be sure.

              He's photoshopped - but we're all losers. Mm-hmm. Hahahahaha.
              Um...? I thought using this photo would come under some sort of copyright infringement?

              Unless they have paid to use it...
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    That video has done its job. Its getting $3.80 EPC. I wrote the script. Video didn't turn out exactly as I would have liked but at least it's working.
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    He said in the video that I will soon be able to bring my girlfriend to dinner or buy a beer while I play pool.
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    far from the best one ever. I know one thats doing 7 figures a month off COLD traffic.

    guys, these products and offers are not only incredibly stupid... but they're also crap.... they work on email traffic.... whoopdie doo!

    How a grown adult can fall for something like this is beyond me.... These people need a baseball bat to the head.

    Cold/paid traffic guys. Thats the only way you can scale.

    Thats the only traffic that matters.

    Anyone with half a brain can make something convert on warm/email traffic.

    just sayin'
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    • Profile picture of the author David Hooper
      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      far from the best one ever. I know one thats doing 7 figures a month off COLD traffic.
      Please post a link to it. Would love to check it out.
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  • Profile picture of the author KennethYu
    What I really don't get is the lack of objectivity of fellow warriors.

    Obviously, we know superior marketing, and we have the highest ideals on how things should be done. However, one doesn't need to be a fan to grudgingly admit that the video sales letter, as sleazy as it is, flat out works.

    And isn't that what online marketing is? Traffic + Conversion?

    If you don't like what the market responds to... Just go to one which you feel doesn't compromise your integrity. The sucker market ain't for everyone.
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    • Profile picture of the author Linda_C
      Originally Posted by KennethYu View Post

      What I really don't get is the lack of objectivity of fellow warriors.

      Obviously, we know superior marketing, and we have the highest ideals on how things should be done. However, one doesn't need to be a fan to grudgingly admit that the video sales letter, as sleazy as it is, flat out works.

      And isn't that what online marketing is? Traffic + Conversion?

      If you don't like what the market responds to... Just go to one which you feel doesn't compromise your integrity. The sucker market ain't for everyone.
      Robbing a bank works too. So does mugging little old ladies.
      Somehow, I lack the ability to be objective about those, too.

      We all have a line in the sand where objectivity disappears.
      That line is different for all of us.

      IMHO, there's a difference between "sleaze" or the "sucker market" and flat out lying to people.

      We all have to be okay with the face in the mirror.
      Doing business without lying to the customer is my line in the sand.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Hooper
        Just because you guys don't like the product and think the guy is sleazy, doesn't mean that copy/pitch isn't effective or that there aren't some great lessons to learn here.

        #1, as I mentioned, is that somebody went balls out with the production, bringing in a great actor, hiring a plane/house/car/limo, and doing a great job of editing. Don't miss this (or the other great lessons here) because you don't like the character or the product being sold.
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        • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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          Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

          Lying is almost always effective when selling a product. It takes no talent.

          The production values reminded me of an 80's porn flick. Yeah, he put some money into it.
          And yet there you are touting a Forex Bot, of all things, which promises to "astound and thrill" me with a "shocking confession". LOL.

          But you're right about it looking like an 80s porno flick. And Bermuda jacket and white turtle neck - straight out of The Man From U.N.C.L.E.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
        For those that continue to show negativity, paranoia and anger (everytime I have a discussion with frustrated people the underlying theme rises to the surface and it is NEVER the original viewpoint) and those that compare a $37 digital information product with mugging old ladies at gunpoint, etc.. All I have to say to that is you show an incredible lack of experience, lack of perspective, lack of comparison, lack of success. This mindset falls in line with the little boy who cried wolf and shows an infantile way of glossing everything with the same brush with extreme neglect for detail. Wouldn't it be a great day when people chose their words more carefully and reserved the strongest criticism for the strongest offenders? What will you say when there is a real scam? What is left in your arsenal then?
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        • Profile picture of the author NicheMayhem
          Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

          For those that continue to show negativity, paranoia and anger (everytime I have a discussion with frustrated people the underlying theme rises to the surface and it is NEVER the original viewpoint) and those that compare a $37 digital information product with mugging old ladies at gunpoint, etc.. All I have to say to that is you show an incredible lack of experience, lack of perspective, lack of comparison, lack of success. This mindset falls in line with the little boy who cried wolf and shows an infantile way of glossing everything with the same brush with extreme neglect for detail. Wouldn't it be a great day when people chose their words more carefully and reserved the strongest criticism for the strongest offenders? What will you say when there is a real scam? What is left in your arsenal then?
          I can see what your saying to a point, but I feel Linda_C's example is relevant to the mindset that "as long as it makes money, it's ok." Your views of experience, perspective, comparison and success must differ from mine.

          In my experience, its wrong to prey on an easy market with a useless product and spend more time and money on a video, rather then the product. The other side of the argument tried to convey some perspective by mentioning The Rich Jerk, difference is The Rich Jerk's programs and systems taught a hell of a lot of people a hell of a lot about a newly budding internet marketing profession like nothing before it had. In comparison, the big difference is THE RICH JERK DELIVERED! Never trade integrity for success, wouldn't it be a great day if everyone followed that? Have you any sense of integrity?

          Alas, there is always an extreme view on both sides of a discussion. It is certainly worth noting that I enjoy getting into heated discussions and have a tendency to egg it on, a flaw I admit.

          Regardless, my opinion here is that when you outright call me an idiot in your video and then fail to deliver an even usable product, I have every right to point out your an idiot. What that means to you is irrelevant, after all this is just a discussion and tomorrow 10 more lame products will launch. In all my experience online though, I have never seen such a blatant two sided coin being peddled. Any evidence to the contrary?

          Most product creators who create some horribly inadequate product stick to hype, this product outright calls you names for not having it. All sizzle with nothing on the grill.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
            Originally Posted by NicheMayhem View Post

            I can see what your saying to a point, but I feel Linda_C's example is relevant to the mindset that "as long as it makes money, it's ok." Your views of experience, perspective, comparison and success must differ from mine.

            In my experience, its wrong to prey on an easy market with a useless product and spend more time and money on a video, rather then the product. The other side of the argument tried to convey some perspective by mentioning The Rich Jerk, difference is The Rich Jerk's programs and systems taught a hell of a lot of people a hell of a lot about a newly budding internet marketing profession like nothing before it had. In comparison, the big difference is THE RICH JERK DELIVERED! Never trade integrity for success, wouldn't it be a great day if everyone followed that? Have you any sense of integrity?

            Alas, there is always an extreme view on both sides of a discussion. It is certainly worth noting that I enjoy getting into heated discussions and have a tendency to egg it on, a flaw I admit.

            Regardless, my opinion here is that when you outright call me an idiot in your video and then fail to deliver an even usable product, I have every right to point out your an idiot. What that means to you is irrelevant, after all this is just a discussion and tomorrow 10 more lame products will launch. In all my experience online though, I have never seen such a blatant two sided coin being peddled. Any evidence to the contrary?

            Most product creators who create some horribly inadequate product stick to hype, this product outright calls you names for not having it. All sizzle with nothing on the grill.
            There was 10 times as much hatred for Rich Jerk when that was popular. All for the same reason. Envy. The Rich Jerk was one of the first ebooks I ever read. I bought it for $100.00 in 2006. Plenty of spiteful, ugly, negative and dismal threads all over the internet since it was targeted towards the mainstream, although it changed my life significantly as it did many others. I am sure you would be singing a different tune if you knew the creator of this product personally and had that perspective. Oh wait.. I suppose now you will tell me you dont know Adeel, you don't know Kelly, you dont know the politics in the inside and since you stopped at that little feeling "Ah man.. howd he afford that plane for his sales video, man I wish I could afford that. I hate him." Youll feel better after venting on Warrior forum.
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            • Profile picture of the author NicheMayhem
              Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

              There was 10 times as much hatred for Rich Jerk when that was popular. All for the same reason. Envy. The Rich Jerk was one of the first ebooks I ever read. I bought it for $100.00 in 2006. Plenty of spiteful, ugly, negative and dismal threads all over the internet since it was targeted towards the mainstream, although it changed my life significantly as it did many others. I am sure you would be singing a different tune if you knew the creator of this product personally and had that perspective. Oh wait.. I suppose now you will tell me you dont know Adeel, you don't know Kelly, you dont know the politics in the inside and since you stopped at that little feeling "Ah man.. howd he afford that plane for his sales video, man I wish I could afford that. I hate him." Youll feel better after venting on Warrior forum.
              lol. Thanks for setting me straight. :rolleyes: I had no idea I was jealous of a plane being used in the video and how someone has more money then me.

              Your own words:
              "shows an infantile way of glossing everything with the same brush with extreme neglect for detail"

              Hmmm...
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by OnlineMasterMind View Post


      The copy is flat out AWFUL.
      Yeah...its only done over a million in sales. Complete dud. Think I'll go back to painting houses.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
        Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

        Yeah...its only done over a million in sales. Complete dud. Think I'll go back to painting houses.
        CopyNazi DOES NOT play around. Possibly the best copywriter I have ever seen.

        Did everyone see the James Denzel Strip Club footage?
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        • I don’t know The Copy Nazi.

          And the video has been “removed” so I haven’t read or heard the copy.

          But put yourself in his position – a client asks you to write some copy.

          And you specialize in the IM market.

          There’s mega money involved.

          Let’s assume…

          You’re not exactly thrilled with the product but you genuinely feel there are some benefits.

          You don’t deliberately lie.

          And you can’t control what the client does with the finished copy.

          There’s going to be a money back guarantee for the product (legally there usually has to be).

          So even if the audience is a bit desperate, gullible or whatever…

          Nobody is going to get ripped off.

          And the likelihood is - this “audience” will buy this type of stuff from someone.

          So – given all the above.

          Would you write the copy?

          (I'm so glad I know next to nothing about the Internet, Video or this sort of IM game - so nobody would ask me - so I'll avoid all the flack).
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    no disrespect to anyone, its a slick video as far as production goes... the script is written well for what it is....

    but if that made a million in sales it just goes to show how desperate and gullible the market is, and more importantly, how easy it is to sell ANYTHING to this niche.

    we're talking a market full of people that will believe and buy almost anything without any sense of reason. (I guess this would easily pass halberts starving crowd test)

    Now to the million in sales.... first congrats. thats a nice chunk of change.

    1. how much of that was then refunded?
    2. a million in sales, gross? (break it down - 50-70% to affiliates, processing, refunds)
    3. email/jv traffic, right?

    Everyone makes a big f'n deal with their epc's and how much it makes but the numbers are all based on jv/email/warm endorsed traffic.... which is the highest quality traffic out there.

    the *only* test and numbers that matter is how it does on cold/paid traffic.

    This is why offers like FBF, Fat loss for idiots, pandoras, dyd, etc. are all HUGE brands and make a f'n killing month after month after month... (something 99% of these crap IM offers dont have - longevity)

    if your offer cant convert on cold/paid traffic, then its crap. its a short term money maker.

    You cant scale up email traffic.

    You cant scale up seo traffic.

    So you get people to promote the hell out of it for a month and then its off to the virtual graveyard for IM products with a 1-2 month shelflife.

    I'd rather make money for years.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Hooper
      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      no disrespect to anyone, its a slick video as far as production goes... the script is written well for what it is....

      but if that made a million in sales it just goes to show how desperate and gullible the market is, and more importantly, how easy it is to sell ANYTHING to this niche.
      It's not that easy... Yes, the buyers in this market want to believe easy money is possible, but they've seen everything, they're skeptical, and they're actually pretty sophisticated when it comes to gimmicks.
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  • Profile picture of the author harrel
    Listen everybody, you all are trying hard to make it in IM, so you are NOT a loser if you are trying. If you STOP trying, then you are a loser. Don't let anybody make you feel down, they are trying to sell their stuff. But the key is that if you will let other D bags let your esteem down, you won't succeed either. You NEED to have a product and a good marketing strategy to make it in IM, you need to genuinely help your prospects achieve the results they expect. These type of stuff is none other than cheap get rich quick stuff. I remember Frank Kern, you all know who he is, told in his video at Frank Kern Success Stories that DO NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO GIVE YOU A MESSAGE THAT YOU ARE A LOSER. LISTEN ONLY TO THE PEOPLE WHO WILL GIVE A MESSAGE THAT YOU CAN DO IT. This is important especially for newbies.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nail Yener
    It seems the video is removed. Is this the same video on Go Click Cash's homepage?
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    • Without getting into the ethics or morals of a product...(although it's always best to write for stuff that you do believe in).

      Anyway,

      If you always offer an immediate refund to people who don't like whatever they have bought...

      Doesn't that at least help level things out a bit?
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    lol... dude.... REALLY?

    David, You just made my morning :-)....

    are you gonna sit there and say:

    "they've seen everything, they're skeptical, and they're actually pretty sophisticated when it comes to gimmicks."
    after hearing this offer did 1million?

    C'mon man...

    And you expect me (or anyone else) to take the comment seriously?

    Dude, i could shred that comment (and everything behind it) faster than a ginsu knife cuts through a tomato...

    But I wont... the fact this comment was made tells me there is absolutely zero grasp of the market, what they buy and how to sell to it.

    I just showed the video to some people here in the coffeeshop, a young kid laughed and said it was lame and a joke...

    A middle aged man, said it was crap and said theres no one on the planet stupid and/or desperate enough to believe this let alone buy it.

    And a 50 something year old woman said she could smell the scam a mile away.... and said the person who buys this is either a sucker or dumber than a box of rocks.

    But you know... David, the people in this market are SO sophisticated...

    I've been at this game for a long time dude... its not as difficult as you make it out to be... ESPECIALLY in this IM market.

    Try that crap in a real market (not IM) and you won't make a dime.

    Do you see any of these gimmicks and tricks in other markets?

    Go ask anyone who's tried it.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Hooper
      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      I've been at this game for a long time dude... its not as difficult as you make it out to be... ESPECIALLY in this IM market.
      If it were that easy, how come all the big IM seminars are going away?

      And how come the "gurus" we used to hear from all the time have disappeared...and are broke?

      Or maybe these guys weren't that good?

      As I've said, "business opportunities" is a hungry market, but because of this, prospects are being constantly bombarded by things and they've become immune to most of them. That's what I mean by sophisticated.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
        Originally Posted by David Hooper View Post

        If it were that easy, how come all the big IM seminars are going away?

        And how come the "gurus" we used to hear from all the time have disappeared...and are broke?

        Or maybe these guys weren't that good?

        As I've said, "business opportunities" is a hungry market, but because of this, prospects are being constantly bombarded by things and they've become immune to most of them. That's what I mean by sophisticated.
        The entire seminar industry (all niches) were down over 50% last year. Even people like Tony Robbins saw drop-offs as high as 70% in attendance for their events. Dave Miz nailed all of the main reasons why the seminar industry has had a huge drop-off so I'm not going to repeat them.

        The other thing about seminars is they are a TON of work for the event promoter. Some of the IM event promoters have decided that they don't want to do all of the work surrounding an event anymore and have discontinued the event.

        Armand Morin with the Big Seminar and Ken McCarthy with the System Seminar are probably good examples of this reason. Their events were very successful and happened year after year but now they've decided they don't want the hassle and work of doing their own event every year.

        As for the "gurus" disappearing... you'd have to address them on a name by name basis.

        Some of them were a one-product seller... their market changed, they didn't adjust and now they're out of business.

        Some of them decided they didn't like the limelight and decided to go quietly underground to make their internet monies. I know a good number of marketers & "gurus" who fall into this category.

        Some of them are busy working on new versions of old products or new products that will be launched later this year. A good number of these big launches take 3-6 months to get everything pulled together.

        If memory serves me right, Andy Jenkins with his Video Boss product is a good example of a marketer who has been publicly quiet most of this year... it's now June and he has a big launch happening in the coming weeks.

        Hope that helps,

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        • Profile picture of the author want2knowhow
          Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys View Post

          The entire seminar industry (all niches) were down over 50% last year. Even people like Tony Robbins saw drop-offs as high as 70% in attendance for their events. Dave Miz nailed all of the main reasons why the seminar industry has had a huge drop-off so I'm not going to repeat them.

          The other thing about seminars is they are a TON of work for the event promoter. Some of the IM event promoters have decided that they don't want to do all of the work surrounding an event anymore and have discontinued the event.

          Armand Morin with the Big Seminar and Ken McCarthy with the System Seminar are probably good examples of this reason. Their events were very successful and happened year after year but now they've decided they don't want the hassle and work of doing their own event every year.

          As for the "gurus" disappearing... you'd have to address them on a name by name basis.

          Some of them were a one-product seller... their market changed, they didn't adjust and now they're out of business.

          Some of them decided they didn't like the limelight and decided to go quietly underground to make their internet monies. I know a good number of marketers & "gurus" who fall into this category.

          Some of them are busy working on new versions of old products or new products that will be launched later this year. A good number of these big launches take 3-6 months to get everything pulled together.

          If memory serves me right, Andy Jenkins with his Video Boss product is a good example of a marketer who has been publicly quiet most of this year... it's now June and he has a big launch happening in the coming weeks.

          Hope that helps,

          Mike
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    yesl, IF they got caught.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
    I could be wrong, but I really thought the object of copywriting was to sell stuff. If this video is selling stuff, it has done its job.

    It is rather irrelevant what the non-market for this product feels about how the promotion was handled.

    For those that don't like it, try looking at it with the attitude there *might* be something to learn from it. After all, isn't that part of the purpose behind this forum?

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    • Profile picture of the author NicheMayhem
      Originally Posted by Marvin Johnston View Post

      I could be wrong, but I really thought the object of copywriting was to sell stuff. If this video is selling stuff, it has done its job.

      It is rather irrelevant what the non-market for this product feels about how the promotion was handled.

      For those that don't like it, try looking at it with the attitude there *might* be something to learn from it. After all, isn't that part of the purpose behind this forum?

      Marvin
      Your not wrong, writing copy is a needed and versatile tool in the trek to selling a product online. The copywriter is not at fault IMO, seems he delivered what his client wanted. As the creator of the product, responsibility of delivering what your ad copy states falls directly on you and you alone. As it would seem all over the net, this product fails horribly at delivering it's promises.

      Sadly, there is a market for preying on the feeble, the unsuspecting, the...stupid. Always has been a market in being dishonest, my motivation for commenting was to make sure there is a lesson of how damaging a product like this can be to your reputation. Don't care how much money it made, ethics come first in my book and always will. How about you?
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      • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
        Originally Posted by NicheMayhem View Post

        Sadly, there is a market for preying on the feeble, the unsuspecting, the...stupid. Always has been a market in being dishonest, my motivation for commenting was to make sure there is a lesson of how damaging a product like this can be to your reputation. Don't care how much money it made, ethics come first in my book and always will. How about you?
        So far, I haven't seen or heard anything that is unethical. A number of people have expressed their preferences yes, but the promotion being unethical? No evidence has been shown to support that viewpoint.

        The way of selling it may be Cheesy, but does that really matter if:

        1) The product lives up to its claims
        2) The product is selling.

        I have trouble with putting Copy Nazi in the scam promotion catagory.

        In case you hadn't noticed, I tend to not just jump on bandwagons based on others opinions .

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        • Profile picture of the author NicheMayhem
          Originally Posted by Marvin Johnston View Post

          So far, I haven't seen or heard anything that is unethical. A number of people have expressed their preferences yes, but the promotion being unethical? No evidence has been shown to support that viewpoint.

          The way of selling it may be Cheesy, but does that really matter if:

          1) The product lives up to its claims
          2) The product is selling.

          I have trouble with putting Copy Nazi in the scam promotion catagory.

          In case you hadn't noticed, I tend to not just jump on bandwagons based on others opinions .

          Marvin
          Obviously you haven't gone looking to find out anything about the product "living up to its claims."

          As I plainly pointed out, I don't place Copy Nazi in any categories at all. I find the product creator to blame for the loads of customers all over the net, based on what I found with some digging, that are saying the product sucks. It is a scraper plug-in for Wordpress from what I can tell of the 50 or so posts and articles I read, worse yet it doesn't even work. No fault at all to Copy Nazi, his job was to deliver the copy the way his client wanted it, whatever.

          My only fault is with people who feel there is no line to draw anywhere as long as a product makes money. This is a big problem with a lot of people and I don't care who you are or what you say, I'll call it how I see it and run my mouth. Certainly not a bandwagon jumping sort here bud but when you have reviewers all over the internet who REFUSE to promote anything but the notion of how much it sucks, there is no denying.

          Cheesy is one thing, lying is another. Be as cheesy as you want to be and make sure it lives up to its claims, no problem. When it doesn't come close to it though, every one of us has the right to spread the word. Words like:

          Sleazy
          Greezy
          Slimey
          Underhanded
          Disgraceful
          etc
          etc

          In this scenario, based on what I have seen from actually going out and looking, the video essentially calls every marketer an idiot for not having this program that doesn't work. Yet, I am on a bandwagon eh? So, now I have noticed you Marvin, and I feel I have noticed you condone ripping people off if it makes you money.
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    LOL... David... ever hear of this thing called a recession?

    let me break this down for you:

    it costs money to fly for hotel, for the event etc.

    Notice how lower priced products are dominating the market?

    Need I say more?

    On to your 'guru' thing.... I know many of them and the ones I know, they're doing quite well... just because you don't see anything in your inbox or on warrior forum, don't think they're not making money... lol
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    • Profile picture of the author David Hooper
      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      LOL... David... ever hear of this thing called a recession?

      let me break this down for you:

      it costs money to fly for hotel, for the event etc.

      Notice how lower priced products are dominating the market?

      Need I say more?
      So you're saying the IM niche is not that easy?

      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      On to your 'guru' thing.... I know many of them and the ones I know, they're doing quite well... just because you don't see anything in your inbox or on warrior forum, don't think they're not making money... lol
      The top guys, at least the ones that I know, are doing well. The B and C-List guys are struggling from everything I've seen though.

      Which brings me to my point that the IM niche isn't that easy.

      In a good financial market, maybe... But as they say, "In a tornado, even a turkey can fly."
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      LOL... David... ever hear of this thing called a recession?

      let me break this down for you:

      it costs money to fly for hotel, for the event etc.

      Notice how lower priced products are dominating the market?

      Need I say more?

      On to your 'guru' thing.... I know many of them and the ones I know, they're doing quite well... just because you don't see anything in your inbox or on warrior forum, don't think they're not making money... lol
      You're forgetting something. Most...if not all of these recent "lower priced" products have upsells. To $497 or whatever. And guess what? People are taking up the upsells. In GoClickCash's case I believe the figure is around 50%. So there's still money out there. People are still spending.
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  • Profile picture of the author MissLauraCatella
    The guy himself had sort of a sleazy demeanor to me... and his over acting made the script more abrasive than I would have found it in print.

    If I was in shopping mode I wouldn't have sat through the first 15 or so seconds of silence.

    I think The Copy Nazi's style is cool but for me the video itself is blah with corny lifestyle proof.

    This is probably my favorite thread ever because of all the emotions and stuff. Thanks guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    David.... lol... stop twising sh!t... you're talking seminars.... I answered your comment... we're talking this video and these bs $39 offers. get it straight brotha.

    ... yes they're buying upsells.... but they're not coming in off a $997 offer... like for a seminar.

    again, you guys are twisting stuff up... you can't compare apples to oranges.

    How many $1997 launches have you seen lately?

    How many $39 launches have you seen lately?

    GAME OVER - THIS TOPIC IS CLOSED.

    And no. no one is blaming copy nazi... its not his product for god sakes... he was just hired to write the offer... he did his job well.

    its the product owners. they are knowingly scamming people.

    Why would they all of a sudden use plimus?

    Because they're better than clickbank? LOL cmon.... they're using plimus cuz the offers are garbage an CB wont allow them anymore (hello FTC)

    That said I know a big offer that my friend was asked to write and the product owners didnt even know what they were selling!

    they just wanted a similar video like x, y and z did....

    and the video's done pretty well... think over $500k in sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      That said I know a big offer that my friend was asked to write and the product owners didnt even know what they were selling!

      they just wanted a similar video like x, y and z did....

      and the video's done pretty well... think over $500k in sales.
      And what were they selling? Guns? Crack? LOL

      It's usually the other way around. You schedule the launch, time grows closer, the product is pretty good. Your partner is doing the front end and then the day of launch he puts up some insane sales page and you argue and kill each other. Ive seen this happen where the product was good and the sales page now "targeted" a certain audience and therefore alot of heat came on the product creator, although the product creator worked his ass off. (This certain launch Im thinking of had one of the worst threads on WF)

      Or what about the product creator that prices the software or service at $997 maybe because it actually is a service or is a physical item and then after launch another guy copies his idea and prices it at $37. Everyone here makes the $997 guy out to be this big bad scammer. LOL!!!!

      How many units does the guy who whines and complains actually do. How many employees do they have? Most likely either ZERO or their "review" or "opinion" is a business themselves.

      Anyhow, yes this is a pretty bad ass video and you could show it to your friends who have no idea what internet marketing is and they would probably be entertained.
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    Mike,

    Thanks.... as usual, you are the voice of logic and reason. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Shelton
    Anyone know where the video can be viewed? Would love to see it, you guys really got my curiosity going. Here's another one in a similar vein, that starts out with "What are you staring at, you poor broke hobo?"
    Passive Niche Profits - Index
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  • Profile picture of the author swiftimpulse
    I posted this elsewhere but thought it was worthy in this thread as well.

    I went to the affiliate link and signed up, and now I'm receiving emails from 'goclickcash' (insert random numbers) @aweber.com

    There have been a number of different 'from' emails.

    I've since deleted them but they were in reference to having 2 million in the bank account or something, along with suspicious looking links.

    The first few emails had an unsubscribe link, however the unsubscribe link pointed to a non-aweber service, who said I had already unsubscribed from the list.

    In other words, I've unsubscribed, and they're continuing to send me garbage.
    I've set up a rule to auto-permanently delete them now (they're all roughly the same) and sent an abuse notification to aweber, because whether it's legitimately aweber or not, they're spamming with aweber's name.

    Not happy with the emails. I haven't used the product personally but seen it in action/enough reviews to know I'm not interested.

    I really don't see the point in sending spam in this day and age, especially to people like us who are a little higher 'in the know' when it comes to these lists.
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    when you're hard up to make money, you do desperate things.

    just sayin'
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    • Profile picture of the author swiftimpulse
      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      when you're hard up to make money, you do desperate things.

      just sayin'
      Also interestingly I've noticed the creator of GoClickCash has had a very low profile in the Warrior Forum from what I've seen anyway. You'd think he'd be all over threads like these lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      when you're hard up to make money, you do desperate things.

      just sayin'
      Yeah - good point. Maybe some of these guys aren't that hard up, but feel as if they are untouchable and can do what they want in the name of making a profit.

      Also, did you notice that Go Click Cash is no longer for sale?

      Must be because of this:
      http://robertplank.com/plimus-bans-i...eting-products

      There should be a new contingency waiver put in place for copywriters who write these salesletters expecting a % of the revenue that if the product they write for gets banned, they won't be paid their override. lol
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      • Profile picture of the author jasonthewebmaster
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        Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

        Yeah - good point. Maybe some of these guys aren't that hard up, but feel as if they are untouchable and can do what they want in the name of making a profit.

        Also, did you notice that Go Click Cash is no longer for sale?

        Must be because of this:
        Plimus Bans Internet Marketing Products (Because of $37 Clickbank-Style Offers)

        There should be a new contingency waiver put in place for copywriters who write these salesletters expecting a % of the revenue that if the product they write for gets banned, they won't be paid their override. lol
        I like how Robert Plank said:

        "If you're selling software, I just want to see screenshots. If you're selling information, I just want to know what the information is. And most importantly (this was huge back when AdSense courses were coming out)... if your system makes $10,000 per day... why is it only $37???"

        ... and I would add:

        "and if your product is so successful and powerful and awesome, then why can't you give a single hint as to what it is!?"

        This is how I feel about hyped up products like this.

        When I saw the sales video for Go Click Cash I was intrigued by it, but not enough to buy anything. I don't buy off blind sales letters, period.
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      • Profile picture of the author swiftimpulse
        Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

        Huh? I just checked. It's there and plays for me. Go Click Cash
        Think he was referring to the video in post #1 of this thread.
        It's funny searching for it in Google, there are still a few sites endorsing it but an overwhelming amount of sites slamming it
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  • Profile picture of the author blueonblue
    To all of you out there.
    People who buy this are not stupid. Sometimes you are desperate for SOMETHING that works. What hooked me, was the real Clickbank check that was shown to the audience. Could have been photoshopped.
    The videos were TERRIBLE. As for the program, I don't know. I never got it to work. Neither they nor the hosting company they worked with were able to help. I got refunds on 90% of it, but now I can't get anymore because they deleted the support tickets!

    You are all right about credibility. A.C (not giving his full name--but he is all over CB and the web) is the guy who has created this) and I wouldn't even download a Freebie of his.

    Today, I got another email from them and guess what--after watching their 3 minute video it took me to INcome Entourage! Who. Guess what! Another long, boring movie, with a secret russian programer. OMG, don't these people ever learn!
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  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    That video is an amazing piece of sales. Nobody has brought this up yet. All that jerky stuff he does in the beginning isn't just him being a douche, he's establishing a high emotional value for himself. If you don't have any cash you can feel like a dope and ashamed of yourself, and he's drawing that out while also acting like a depressed cash needy guy might imagine a rich ******* to act like.

    Now, a lot of people have noted that, but they haven't noticed how the man's demeanor changes during the video. He gradually becomes kinder - still blunt and gruff, but hey, he's giving you dinner, he's letting you ride in the jet, he's talking about chumps while not including you with them - he's letting you roll with him. And if he thinks there's hope for you, why wouldn't YOU think there's hope for you?

    Obviously, it's a manipulative ad, but what do you call the sad videos of injured puppies limping around while Sarah McLaughlin sings in the background? Amazing work to the guy who wrote this. It borders on high art.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by Hearts Frozen View Post

      That video is an amazing piece of sales. Nobody has brought this up yet. All that jerky stuff he does in the beginning isn't just him being a douche, he's establishing a high emotional value for himself. If you don't have any cash you can feel like a dope and ashamed of yourself, and he's drawing that out while also acting like a depressed cash needy guy might imagine a rich ******* to act like.

      Now, a lot of people have noted that, but they haven't noticed how the man's demeanor changes during the video. He gradually becomes kinder - still blunt and gruff, but hey, he's giving you dinner, he's letting you ride in the jet, he's talking about chumps while not including you with them - he's letting you roll with him. And if he thinks there's hope for you, why wouldn't YOU think there's hope for you?

      Obviously, it's a manipulative ad, but what do you call the sad videos of injured puppies limping around while Sarah McLaughlin sings in the background? Amazing work to the guy who wrote this. It borders on high art.
      That's pretty much what I had in mind when I wrote it. BUT I didn't want him to come across as an a**hole - which he does in the video.

      I just saw him as a guy that's made a lot of money and isn't being coy about it - and has no time for idiots. The last scene where he's about to get out of his silly-looking bathrobe and jump into bed with his P.A. is straight-out cheesy. And wasn't in my script.

      I also saw the guy in jeans, T-shirt and linen jacket - "Miami Vice" kinda style rather than the turtle-neck sweater and Bermuda jacket look. I saw him as hip and cool - like a rockstar - rather than a poser using limos, hotels and red-bra-flashing personal assistants.

      You gotta ask yourself - "Does this guy look like someone who works online?" I don't think he does. He looks more like a real estate salesman or developer to me.

      As for it being taken off Plimus - that doesn't surprise me either.

      "It borders on high art"? Nah. As someone else has pointed out, it's more like a Seventies porno flick.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dean Jackson
    Haha I downloaded it because of the same reasons FrozenHearts mentioned (except the "high art" thing LOL) - Amazing work Mal.

    Anyway, if anyone wants to "examine" it I can upload it somewhere.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Williams
      Originally Posted by Dean Jackson View Post

      Haha I downloaded it because of the same reasons FrozenHearts mentioned (except the "high art" thing LOL) - Amazing work Mal.

      Anyway, if anyone wants to "examine" it I can upload it somewhere.

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      • Profile picture of the author David Hooper
        Just got a call from my project manager. She asked me, "Isn't this guy the same one who did that 40 minute sales video?"

        Show is called Leverage and it's on TNT.

        And I still say the video is great!
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        • Profile picture of the author swiftimpulse
          Originally Posted by David Hooper View Post

          Just got a call from my project manager. She asked me, "Isn't this guy the same one who did that 40 minute sales video?"

          Show is called Leverage and it's on TNT.

          And I still say the video is great!
          Leverage - Season 4 Episode 1
          About 17-18 minutes in. He only says 2 things.

          Guess that clarifies if the guy was an actor or 'real'... Lol every aspect of this is sales video (fake photos etc) is funny to uncover.
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  • Profile picture of the author BuyGiftsItems
    I wonder what the price tag was on this video? A lot of effort went into it obviously. I hope it paid off.
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