I developed my first info product and sales letter, input on ways to improve it are appreciated!

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www.personaltrainingsalescourse.com

My feelings don't get hurt easily, so if any warriors get a moment to take a look at my sales letter and see any room for improvment, I'm open to all input.

Thanks!

tim
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  • Profile picture of the author DanielleLynnCopy
    Hi Tim,

    Welcome to the copywriter forum - I applaud your bravery.

    1) Your header and headline are competing with each other for your visitors' attention. The result is that there is a lot of 'visual noise' that causes the reader to defocus... and not read anything.

    2) The headline is too bloated (too long), and doesn't interest or captivate at all. I had to reread it several times to understand what I was supposed to take away from the message. Start by making it a little simpler. What is the main trigger you're trying to hit? Get more clients/ make more money?

    Focus there and make the message simple yet powerful (Easier said than done - headlines are undoubtedly some of the trickiest things to write, but simplicity will work better than over-wording)

    3)The first paragraph of sales copy under the headline is not tapping into the emotions of your trainer target market at all. You're trying to appeal to the reader on a 'rational' level, when you should be appealing to their emotions.

    Using sterile business phrases like "generate an income that far exceeds..." won't excite your prospects. Go for something closer to home. Simple, everyday language is always more appealing "Make more money than other personal trainers." Still bland, but at least you don't sound like a corporate lawyer. :p

    4) The image at the top isn't adding to your sales message, at least not where it is placed. While it shows that you do have strategies, people don't want to learn - they want to make money.

    Yes, learning is involved, but for example: you don't entice people to sign up for college by waving books and diagrams in their face. You entice them by waving higher salaries, job security, and larger paychecks in their face.

    5) The rest of the copy has a lot of "I". Personal stories can help copy, but you talk so much about your experience that you forget to bring your reader into the picture. They don't give a rat's behind what you went through - they want to know what you're offering them.

    It's like walking up to someone, talking about your personal success for 15 minutes without letting them get a word in, then asking them for a check.

    Overall - Writing is a sales page isn't about filling it up with words or following a pattern. It's about guiding the reader through a series of steps that turns them from a curious observer to an "I need this" buyer.

    Jump into your target customer's shoes. They have a problem - they want better clients/more money. Think about what they're going through, the stress of trying to find new clients that pay well. The annoying tire kickers. The saturated market. Think about how your product solves those problems for them.

    Now bridge the gap for them using the sales page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Well you already got some great tips above.

    But the layout of the letter needs serious attention.
    Not enough space between paragraphs and they
    are also too thick. (Words jumbled makes reading
    difficult.)

    Also the page to too wide--I keep my sales pages
    under 700 px. You too wide and it's hard to keep
    the eyes focused on the right lines.

    So the bottom line is that your page is not inviting to
    read and you're dead even before you start.

    Get the letter reformatted and you stand a better
    chance of getting the words critiqued.

    -Ray Edwards
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    • Profile picture of the author Azarna
      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      Also the page to too wide--I keep my sales pages
      under 700 px. You too wide and it's hard to keep
      the eyes focused on the right lines.
      -Ray Edwards

      And yet I thought that the width was a big plus for this page. It looks more like a 'real website' than 'yet another BS-laden hard-core sales page'.

      If I went to the website of any 'household name' company, I would expect their website to fill my computer screen. When I see a very long, skinny page I immediately switch into cynical, suspicious mode.

      I am really baffled as to why everyone wants their pages to look so similar, it seems counter-intuitive to me. Sure, there are 'proven winning formulas' - but when this industry has bit of a reputation because of all the rubbish out there, and all the dodgy practices, I would have thought that being a bit different and being more inspired by the trusted and recognised companies would be a big advantage.
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      • Profile picture of the author Raydal
        Originally Posted by Azarna View Post

        And yet I thought that the width was a big plus for this page. It looks more like a 'real website' than 'yet another BS-laden hard-core sales page'.

        If I went to the website of any 'household name' company, I would expect their website to fill my computer screen. When I see a very long, skinny page I immediately switch into cynical, suspicious mode.

        I am really baffled as to why everyone wants their pages to look so similar, it seems counter-intuitive to me. Sure, there are 'proven winning formulas' - but when this industry has bit of a reputation because of all the rubbish out there, and all the dodgy practices, I would have thought that being a bit different and being more inspired by the trusted and recognised companies would be a big advantage.
        This would work magic if you were selling to yourself but
        unfortunately you are not. And you are also NOT one
        of those big companies.

        Those companies can make mistakes and still make money
        because they have CREDIBILITY that the small guy doesn't
        have.

        You can always SPLIT TEST the site and let me know if
        I was right or wrong.

        -Ray Edwards
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        • Profile picture of the author Azarna
          I am NOT a seller (yet), I was talking as a consumer, someone who has BOUGHT information (and many other) products. So of course I am not a big company.

          I was also not saying you were wrong, the fact that so many do it this way means I fully believe there is something to be said for it.

          What I was trying to say is that as someone who buys a LOT online, the fact that information products are sold in such a different way to other things is something that I find surprising.

          And that I like pages that fill my screen more. That is just my personal preference, nothing more.
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      • Profile picture of the author DanielleD
        Originally Posted by Azarna View Post

        And yet I thought that the width was a big plus for this page. It looks more like a 'real website' than 'yet another BS-laden hard-core sales page'.

        If I went to the website of any 'household name' company, I would expect their website to fill my computer screen. When I see a very long, skinny page I immediately switch into cynical, suspicious mode.

        I am really baffled as to why everyone wants their pages to look so similar, it seems counter-intuitive to me. Sure, there are 'proven winning formulas' - but when this industry has bit of a reputation because of all the rubbish out there, and all the dodgy practices, I would have thought that being a bit different and being more inspired by the trusted and recognised companies would be a big advantage.
        Simply put: because the proven formulas work.

        Pop-ups, pop-unders, etc. work.
        One time offers work.
        The prototypical sales letter works.

        End of story. You can decide, do you want to make a website that looks like a big-budget, household name company...and lose out on sales? Or do you want to put up a sales letter/website that's going to convert like mad?

        Your site isn't a 'real website' - it's a sales page. So don't fight the system, use it to your advantage.

        ps- I know a sales letter when I see one...and yet a good one will draw me in and the next thing I know I'm down at the end of the page...tempted to buy. And I'm a very reluctant buyer.

        The width of your site makes your page look overwhelming with just too much stuff to read, and it does not draw my eye downward.

        A skinny sales letter flows and pulls your visitor in, taking them further and further into your copy and closer to your calls to action. The more people have read, the more time they've spent on your site, the more they subconsciously feel "invested" in your product, and the more likely they are to purchase/sign up.

        Also,

        Your headline is too wordy and all about you: "I began with.....blah blah" and you have "ended April with..." - well, you don't refer to a start time, so April has no relevance, and if I'm reading this in September I feel like this is outdated material.

        How about:

        "Go from having ZERO clients to having to turn new clients away because you're just that busy! Go from ZERO income to $10,000 per month! If I can do it, you can too!"
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        • Profile picture of the author tierney211
          Originally Posted by DanielleD View Post

          Simply put: because the proven formulas work.

          Your headline is too wordy and all about you: "I began with.....blah blah" and you have "ended April with..." - well, you don't refer to a start time, so April has no relevance, and if I'm reading this in September I feel like this is outdated material.

          How about:

          "Go from having ZERO clients to having to turn new clients away because you're just that busy! Go from ZERO income to $10,000 per month! If I can do it, you can too!"
          That's fantastic stuff, thanks! and you're input points out even something bigger...my header is a testimonial that was given to me by someone who had taken the course. It is not my words, but that of a satisfied customer. So, yeah...I'll be tweaking the headline for sure. thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author the lord
    has been good in my opinion. but still lacking in the graphics and color than his website a bit blurry. the lighter the better.

    I forget !! if you are selling a product why there is no testimony.
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  • Profile picture of the author tierney211
    Thanks for solid input everyone. I'm looking into the sales page width, but I'm afraid my theme, which is optimizepress, doesn't have any other sizes...but I'll be looking further into this. I'm also thinking how I can break up the paragraphs some more...more space between them and maybe some headlines or bullet points in between them as well?

    Otherwise, DanielleLynn- thanks for taking a thourough look at my copy! I totally agree with you that I say "I" too much. I don't want to come across as cocky so I'll be looking at ways I can talk about the buyer more (or anyone besides myself lol).

    Thanks again everyone. I'm definitely taking everything you guys say to heart.

    tim
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    • Profile picture of the author DanielleD
      Originally Posted by tierney211 View Post

      Thanks for solid input everyone. I'm looking into the sales page width, but I'm afraid my theme, which is optimizepress, doesn't have any other sizes...
      tim
      It's not the width of your page, it's the width of the text, which should be more narrow. I believe you can adjust that within OptimizePress.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ross Bowring
        That big diagram right after the first paragraph makes it seems like you are sending people through a production line, not a system tailored to their unique needs.

        --- Ross
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    • Profile picture of the author DanielleLynnCopy
      Originally Posted by tierney211 View Post

      Thanks for solid input everyone. I'm looking into the sales page width, but I'm afraid my theme, which is optimizepress, doesn't have any other sizes...but I'll be looking further into this. I'm also thinking how I can break up the paragraphs some more...more space between them and maybe some headlines or bullet points in between them as well?

      Otherwise, DanielleLynn- thanks for taking a thourough look at my copy! I totally agree with you that I say "I" too much. I don't want to come across as cocky so I'll be looking at ways I can talk about the buyer more (or anyone besides myself lol).

      Thanks again everyone. I'm definitely taking everything you guys say to heart.

      tim
      No problem Tim,

      I don't think you came off as cocky so much as you didn't take the time to draw the reader into the message you were delivering.

      But I'm glad that it helped you out



      To Azarna,

      I understand what you're saying, the 'sales letter style' turns off a lot of people. But the reason you see it so often is that it works.

      Like Ray pointed out, the reason a big company can get away with the 'soft sell/ stylized website' is that they've already plunged millions (if not more) into aggressive ad campaigns in other venues. At that point, they run the website on the assumption that people are already 'sold' on the brand, and therefore pitching to them there would be redundant.

      However, for the rest of the businesses online that don't have millions to throw around on advertising, they rely one different selling strategies. One strategy is the sales page strategy which is specially formatted and written to guide a 'cold' visitor into a ready buyer.

      These pages get a bad rep since they're usually built to immediately grab attention and close the sale - which some shady marketers use to their advantage to weasel money away from unsuspecting buyers.

      I'm with you - I enjoy looking at full-width pages over sales pages.

      However many split tests have shown that highly-converting pages are around 700px in width.

      But as Ray suggested, you can always test and trying out new things for yourself - maybe you'll discover a new technique.
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  • Profile picture of the author copyassassin
    Originally Posted by tierney211 View Post

    www.personaltrainingsalescourse.com

    My feelings don't get hurt easily, so if any warriors get a moment to take a look at my sales letter and see any room for improvment, I'm open to all input.

    Thanks!

    tim
    If you can turn every "I" into a "You", you'll increase your conversion. Rapido.

    FACT: People care themselves.

    As in, "What can you do for me, now".

    The "I"'s and your story are trying to establish your credibility. However, its just not working.

    So, for example, a sidebar with proof statements might do the trick. Add in the logos on the newpapers you've been featured in. Perry Marshall's example here is awesome.

    Also, and this is an assumption, I'd imagine that most trainers hate to "sell" (that's why they work at the national firms).

    I'd ask your trainer buddies, and specifically the ones you think are your target buyers, "What is stopping you from going private? What is your single biggest roadblock to telling your 24Hr sales manager to F-himself?"

    As of this second, your copy doesn't dig at your buyers core frustrations.

    What stopping them from a fulfilling career as a private trainer?

    Again, talk about your buyers fears and concerns. Put salt in their wounds. And when it starts to hurt, pour rubbing alcohol on it.

    And of course, make sure to position yourself as the solution to their roadblock.

    Was that helpful?

    I look forward to your response.
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    • Profile picture of the author tierney211
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      I look forward to your response.[/QUOTE]

      Hello- It was very helpful, thank you!
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      • Profile picture of the author PaulP51D
        Lots of good points made there. I would agree with much of it and say that as a sales letter it came too close to being a piece of reference material in places.

        Bear in mind that we are all of the web now, with the attention span that goes with it. Unless your audience is already held rapt for some reason you have to deliver your message in fast, easily consummed bits of information that promises enough at each stage to make the reader keep reading.

        One thing to consider is the value of swipe files - habitually saving copy from good writers into a folder on your PC and then emulating their work. You could do worse than transcribe a great page into a page of your own - changing their page image by image, paragraph by paragraph, and heading by heading, swapping out the words, pictures and tone, as necessary. At the very least this would help you get the look right.
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
    "...by Friday I sold $9,600 worth of personal training sessions. I’ve never sold this many training sessions in an entire month, let alone in just three days!”

    This testimonial would make a much more effective headline.

    The copy (testimonial) in your header is difficult to read because there is little spacing between the lines. Increase your leading (space), and test the other testimonial as a headline.

    Look at Google Optimizer. It is fairly easy to use and will let you test two or more landing pages against one another by automatically alternating what landing page viewers see.

    :-Don
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    • Profile picture of the author tierney211
      Originally Posted by Don Schenk View Post

      "...by Friday I sold $9,600 worth of personal training sessions. I've never sold this many training sessions in an entire month, let alone in just three days!"

      This testimonial would make a much more effective headline.

      The copy (testimonial) in your header is difficult to read because there is little spacing between the lines. Increase your leading (space), and test the other testimonial as a headline.

      Look at Google Optimizer. It is fairly easy to use and will let you test two or more landing pages against one another by automatically alternating what landing page viewers see.

      :-Don
      Great advice thanks. I'll definitely be looking at Google Optimizer, that's a fantastic idea.

      -tim
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  • Profile picture of the author BartsTreasures
    Let me just comment on the headline...in my humble opinion, need something more direct...I found it hard to get the key benefit right off...your subheadling should be your pre headline then shorten up the main headline...something like...

    THE ULTIMATE SYSTEM TO....MONEY
    See How I went From ZERO clients to More Clients Then I Could Handle (& $10,000.00 In NEW Business!) In Just 30 Days!

    The headline also encourages the prospect to read further to see HOW you did it.
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    • Profile picture of the author tierney211
      Originally Posted by BartsTreasures View Post

      Let me just comment on the headline...in my humble opinion, need something more direct...I found it hard to get the key benefit right off...your subheadling should be your pre headline then shorten up the main headline...something like...

      THE ULTIMATE SYSTEM TO....MONEY
      See How I went From ZERO clients to More Clients Then I Could Handle (& $10,000.00 In NEW Business!) In Just 30 Days!

      The headline also encourages the prospect to read further to see HOW you did it.
      That makes alot of sense, thank you. I'm actually in the process of redoing the page, and I'll definitely be using this input.
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