Telephone Number on Your Copywriting Services Sales Letter?

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I noticed that some of the copywriters here on the forum have a phone number as the call to action on their copywriting website.
http://www.loudmac.com/index.html

Others have a simple fill-in form to gather information.
http://www.cuttingedgecopy.com/

And still others have both.
http://www.montellomarketing.com/

Does having a telephone number on your website help or do you find most people just use the fill-in form?
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  • Profile picture of the author Derek Pankaew
    I think it depends.

    For me, I'm much more likely to pick up the phone and call you than spend 20 minutes filling out a form.
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
    Well, to give you an idea I added my phone number to my Warrior for Hire ad and I was able to land 3 clients the first week because of it. I know this is not exactly sales copy, but it is to an extent. These clients all expressed they had been ripped off before and really liked the fact that they could talk to me on the phone before ordering.

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  • Profile picture of the author vdx_marketing
    I agree with you guys - serious clients want to chat on the phone straight away when it comes to a service as involved as copywriting. But, hey, test and measure everything.
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    • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
      Joe,

      Based on long experience, I'd say there are two types of clients - those who prefer their first contact with a service provider to be by phone and those who are content with email.

      It's partly a matter of personality and partly what industry they're in and whether they normally do business by phone themselves.

      But if you don't provide the phone number, you absolutely lose most of the first group.

      For some copywriters, that is not a concern. They prefer the clients who are happy to communicate in writing.

      It's not a simple matter of testing and running the numbers, you see, because it's also a matter of whether or not you want the clients who want/need to talk to you.

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  • Profile picture of the author vdx_marketing
    And, by the way, I believe you should put every contact method you can put on your sales pages (if you're willing to risk a bit of spam). Social media, skype, landline, mobile phone, your REAL PHYSICAL address. Give them everything to say you are a real person.

    Different people prefer to use different communications media, but you don't what that medium is until after you've communicated with them - give them the power to choose, and they will choose you. Simple.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Sigh...Dude...if they really want YOU...they'll find a way - the rest are just tire-kickers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cam Connor
      Yea, I agree with most of what's been said. If you want more business, go head and put both down. Otherwise, just use e-mail... Some people require a phone call, but those clients tend to be more annoying at the end of the day. It's up to you, if you need the business, go for it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Craig Roberts
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        I prefer to use email as well..The response rate may not be as good, but hey, if you do not have a lovely voice, you could get very shy on the phone..
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  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    I've discovered that if you're looking to market your copywriting services to those who market online, the majority of prospects reach out initially via Skype.

    For me, the initial contact naturally leads to talking via Skype.

    Once the relationship is been established, e-mail and phone are the preferred ways of communicating.

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    • Profile picture of the author Azarna
      Well, if you are in Britain then you are legally obliged to put your full contact details on all sales material, including your website and any sale letters/emails you send etc.

      From a personal point of view, I am far more likely to consider a seller reputable if they have a real world address etc on show. If there is not contact detail other than a gmail email then why should I trust this person?

      A respectable, legal business has nothing to lose by doing this and everyting to gain, surely?

      I include my skype details on my business stuff, and this has paid off, I have to admit.

      Mind you, its a bit cheeky of me really. I have a somewhat upper-class English accent, and American men of a certain age seem to rather like it. I can't deny that this has done wonders for my trans-atlantic sales. And now I sound a bit cheap, heh
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      • Profile picture of the author Cam Connor
        Originally Posted by Azarna

        From a personal point of view, I am far more likely to consider a seller reputable if they have a real world address etc on show. If there is not contact detail other than a gmail email then why should I trust this person?

        A respectable, legal business has nothing to lose by doing this and everyting to gain, surely?
        Honestly, I see your POV here, but some people just DON'T like talking on the phone, or are a bit phone shy, (even if they are good Copywriters). I fall into this category personally, even though I used to do some heavy cold-calling phone sales, I still would rather talk via skype/IM or e-mail. It's just easier, and I can type fast... As far as the legal thing, you can definitely get around this in more ways than one, I don't think the legal bs should factor into anyone's decision-making, but that's just me.

        Originally Posted by Azarna

        Mind you, its a bit cheeky of me really. I have a somewhat upper-class English accent, and American men of a certain age seem to rather like it. I can't deny that this has done wonders for my trans-atlantic sales. And now I sound a bit cheap, heh
        This cracked me up, as I do find girls with British accents hawt. That being said, I wouldn't make a hiring decision based off this. Not even for basic web design. That would require at LEAST a webcam chat! haha, jk.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    There's something called the DISC profile, which is a simplified version of Meyers-Briggs...divides people into four behavioral styles.

    The C-type, which is a small percentage of the population (think Mr. Spock) like to communicate by email.

    The S-types, which are the friendly, non-pushy folks (lots of them), might like to use email too because they're afraid to pick up the phone.

    The D-types (pushy) and I-types (spinny, creative) will probably pick up the phone because they want answers NOW.

    Have both options to communicate with you available, because you never know who your next prospect will be.
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  • Profile picture of the author kcfried
    I would definitely include all forms of communication for your prospects to get in touch with you. You're just opening up your potential pool of customers and decreasing the friction that some people might have about using your services. I believe it adds a level of credibility especially when you're first starting out.

    A lot also depends on the cost of your services. If you're on the upper end of the per hour or per project scale then it might take a conversation or two over the phone to have them sold. This is internet marketing BUT there are still some old-fashioned sales principles that ring true today.

    Once you've developed a good reputation and have a fat pipeline of clients then you may limit the forms of contact to email. At that point you're looking to thin the herd a little bit with only serious customers. Your reputation will then bring you clients that are already sold on you as a copywriter.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    I also find that it all depends on the market the person
    is in. Most real estate agents and MLMers would want
    to talk with you on the phone. And most owners of
    brick and mortar companies will also want to talk first.

    By far the majority of my clients I've never spoken to
    just email back and forth. And some have spent high
    5-figures without hearing my voice.

    But for sure having a phone contact on your page
    is good business sense.

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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    Originally Posted by Joe Ditzel View Post

    I noticed that some of the copywriters here on the forum have a phone number as the call to action on their copywriting website.
    Miami Internet Marketing Expert Consulting

    Others have a simple fill-in form to gather information.
    Cutting Edge Copy

    And still others have both.
    Expert Copywriter | Marketing Consultant | Top Copywriter | Marketing Strategist | Direct Response Ad | Top Gun Copywriter | Top Gun Copy | High Response Ads

    Does having a telephone number on your website help or do you find most people just use the fill-in form?
    Hey Joe,

    Whatchu doin' with my link in your thread?

    Ok, bad Jimi Hendrix jokes aside...

    There's a couple of things going on here:

    The 20 minute consultation is in some ways the gauntlet of fire.

    If you're full of it, I will know instantly... and vice versa.

    If *I* am full of it, YOU will know instantly.

    Fortunately, almost NO ONE who calls is full of it.

    That's by design.

    See, I already know that I've weeded out 80% of the time-wasters and knuckleheads before that initial call ever hits my phone.

    Through a quick initial phone call, I can learn more about you, your business, your goals, your capacity to actually accomplish them... than I ever would through email, fax or fedex.

    If you're a sharp marketer or seasoned entrepreneur, I want to blow your mind a little, and I probably will... because I want you to leave that call feeling JUICED, and you probably will.

    There's absolutely zero chance that I am going to ever work on anything without having spoken directly to the principal - if for no other reason than having satisfied my own internal research criterion... ya know - that stuff you pay me to do for you.

    Honestly, I can't readily imagine a business relationship of consequence that doesn't have that human connection involved. But I'm a phone guy...

    So, should you put a phone CTA on your copywriting website?

    That's entirely up to who you are and what you do.

    It would be dumb to put a phone CTA if you're not a phone person. Marketing seppuku.

    And so what about emails and lead capture forms?

    I love it when I see a thoughtful well-crafted customer intake funnel that ferrets out important information without making the person on the other end feel like they're working too hard.

    And I'm quite certain that prospects are equally impressed if not more so when they experience it.

    So, if you're not a phone person - let your lead funnel do the talking (and the asking).

    Anyway, thanks for asking.

    Hope this explains the thinking behind my choices.
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    • Profile picture of the author Azarna
      For me the offering of contact details is a big trust thing.

      I am not going to write to them, I am not likely to ring them. I will probably just buy the product and that is that. Maybe an email with a question if needeed.

      But the fact they offerred additional contact details says 'I am a real person, I am not scam artist, I am not going to just up-sticks and vanish'

      When I buy from a 'big company', like say Adobe, I feel safe in giving them quite large sums for their software as I trust them. I also believe that if the software doesn't work they will honour their guarantees.

      Most of us here are obviously not big businessess like Adobe. But there are plenty of IMers asking for quite large sums for their products. Usually there is a ''60 day guarantee' or something.

      That is great... but... only if the buyer believes that the seller will be contactable and will honour that guarantee if needed. Without this trust then the guarantee is totally useless. But if there is a real world address etc then the seller is saying 'I am a legitimate company, I am registered for tax, I am not trying to avoid the authorities noticing my trading, you will get your consumer's rights from me, I am trustworthy'.

      If someone IS a legitimate business, selling quality products with guarantee that they will indeed honour then surely they want their potential customers to know this and trust them.

      If there are no contact details then I immediately think 'so why is this person trying to hide?' It looks jolly suspicious, doesn't it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Raydal
      Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

      Hey Joe,


      There's absolutely zero chance that I am going to ever work on anything without having spoken directly to the principal - if for no other reason than having satisfied my own internal research criterion... ya know - that stuff you pay me to do for you.

      Honestly, I can't readily imagine a business relationship of consequence that doesn't have that human connection involved. But I'm a phone guy...
      Ha Brian ... we are opposites! Maybe I need to get some
      training from you. I really need to sharpen my phone
      selling skills, but I do prefer writing instead of the
      phone.

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      • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
        Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

        Ha Brian ... we are opposites! Maybe I need to get some
        training from you. I really need to sharpen my phone
        selling skills, but I do prefer writing instead of the
        phone.

        -Ray Edwards
        LOL, thanks Ray but ya know, there's really no right or wrong way here.

        Only what works for one's particular business objectives and working style.

        I'm a phone guy and always will be. So, I do things my way.

        There's nothing inherently superior or better about it. It just suits ME.

        And since copywriters are frequently solopreneurs, we always want to make our systems do as much of the work for us as we can.

        You're most powerful and efficient through email. Not a thing wrong with that.

        Being good on the phone is something that can be learned - just like learning to write effective copy can be learned... but in that same way, it's an uphill battle if you dread it.
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        • Profile picture of the author ryanmcgee
          Get a Google Voice Mail account. This way you can screen calls and access your voicemail online. I'd guess about 50% of my clients prefer the phone to email. For big mailers, it's more like 80%.
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