Another Long vs Short Copy Question

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To copywriters and those who wanna be.

There's an old saying among copywriters regarding copy length that says ...

"Copy length is like a womans skirt. It should be long enough to cover the essentials - but short enough to keep it interesting.

First question do you agree? And is there any exceptions?

Second question. It's said people will read long copy if it's interesting. But is it always necessary? What's the upside and/or downside?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts or opinions on any of these questions.

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  • Profile picture of the author Karson
    From some others experience and my own combined.

    You have answered your own question. Make it as long as it needs to be. Don't leave out any great benefits, pains it can fix, or selling points but don't bore the reader!
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  • Profile picture of the author Pusateri
    For years I preached long copy dogma, then I figured out that good long copy is composed from quanta of good short copy.

    So now my take is that all good copy is short copy, even if it's ten thousand words. Keep it relevant to the reader and use as many words as you need to tell the product's story. Then be fanatical about how those words are presented on the page.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karson
      Originally Posted by Pusateri View Post

      For years I preached long copy dogma, then I figured out that good long copy is composed from quanta of good short copy.

      So now my take is that all good copy is short copy, even if it's ten thousand words. Keep it relevant to the reader and use as many words as you need to tell the product's story. Then be fanatical about how those words are presented on the page.

      Indeed this is true. A lot of the people I have learned from, (btw I am still a little green to copy writing, been doing about 3 months now) say to repeat each selling point, benefit, and what not 5 to 7 times in a different way each time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Gould
    The length of your copy is mainly going to depend on the market awareness of the product you're trying to sell.

    For example, if you're looking to buy the Harry Potter books, all you really need to know is the price, if they're in stock, and if the seller's trustworthy.

    Whereas for a typical info-product you're going to want to know every last detail before you make a buying decision.
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  • Profile picture of the author abugah
    Copy length depends on various factors. Chief among them is the product and the sophistication of the market. You will require less explaining if you are selling a credit card than you would when selling a revolutionary weight loss product. Selling cigarettes requires fewer words than a financial newsletter subscription.


    Whether copy is long or short, it is necessary that it is interesting.


    Copy is interesting when one sentence leads you to the next. One paragraph leaves you yearning to read the next one. And before you realize you have read 75 pages of a sales letter like I did recently.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    I totally agree with the quote. Most of my sales pages end up being medium length.

    I try to keep things as short as possible and get others to test it out to see if they get the point.

    I personally always hated those long sales pages and would decide in the first few paragraphs if I was going to scroll down to see what it cost or bounce of the page.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThomasOMalley
    The length of your sales copy depends on several factors.

    First, what are you trying to accomplish? If you are writing a squeeze page, your copy should be short.

    Your copy tends to be shorter for any type of lead generation.

    If you are writing a microsite or sales page site, your copy will most likely be longer.

    You will have to write longer copy generally, the higher the price point. You can probably sell a can of pop with a paragraph or two.

    However, when you are selling an expensive product that is $300 or more, you will need longer copy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Increase Media
    If you're looking at the short term for your business then it's really a case by case issue. However, if you are planning on planting seed for a business that's going to be around 10-20 years down the road, which means you'll at some point have to go through Google....long sales letters will hurt your reputation.

    Google hates long sales letters and views them as scams. They are good to use with an existing list of customers though. Take a quick Google search on any niche out there and you won't see any long sales letters on Google Adwords. There may be 1 or 2 who slip through the cracks, but for the most part, you won't find them.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by Best Damn Content View Post

      If you're looking at the short term for your business then it's really a case by case issue. However, if you are planning on planting seed for a business that's going to be around 10-20 years down the road, which means you'll at some point have to go through Google....long sales letters will hurt your reputation.

      Google hates long sales letters and views them as scams. They are good to use with an existing list of customers though. Take a quick Google search on any niche out there and you won't see any long sales letters on Google Adwords. There may be 1 or 2 who slip through the cracks, but for the most part, you won't find them.
      That's a good point many people miss or didn't even realize. Thanks for bringing up those points.
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  • Profile picture of the author RadiniCopywriting
    Great quote. I think that if you keep it relevant it's easier to keep it interesting.
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

    To copywriters and those who wanna be.

    There's an old saying among copywriters regarding copy length that says ...

    "Copy length is like a womans skirt. It should be long enough to cover the essentials - but short enough to keep it interesting.

    First question do you agree? And is there any exceptions?

    Second question. It's said people will read long copy if it's interesting. But is it always necessary? What's the upside and/or downside?

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts or opinions on any of these questions.

    - Peace!
    Since this is a question that will go round and round...I'll give you my short answer.

    Short copy works the best.

    It's always worked the best for me.

    It seems you agree...since you gave a short post to get your signature seen (IMHO)...
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  • Profile picture of the author mattpaul2000
    "Copy length is like a womans skirt. It should be long enough to cover the essentials - but short enough to keep it interesting."

    I agree totally with the quote...longer the sales copy you have to hold the interest of the reader, if it is to short then have you left room to convince?
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  • Profile picture of the author John_S
    This is a nonsense issue. Gary Halbert's famed "Coat of Arms" letter -- in many swipe files -- comes in at two hundred and odd change. He dubbed it one of the most successful sales letters of all time.

    Yet he did not seem to forge some iron rule out of this, based on the whole of his work.

    You are not going to do well with classifieds, or adwords if you stick to long copy. ...Ever see a fifteen page postcard?

    Finally, it comes down to your own way of working. Some just can't go for page after page and hold the reader's interest. Others might have comparable success with a multi-step, using short copy.

    More than likely it will be long and short copy, working together. Over several conversion points.

    This sounds like a typical "answer from the back of book" topic. The mythical right answer is to know which you would use, and why. Understand how you write copy; not anybody else.

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    • Profile picture of the author perryny
      From the foreword to the Fourth Edition of Tested Advertising Methods by John Caples, written by David Ogilvy:
      1. The key to success (maximum sales per dollar) lies in perpetual testing of all the variables.

      2. What you say is more important than how you say it.

      3. The headline is the most important element in most advertisements

      4. The most effective headlines appeal to the reader's self-interest or give news.

      5. Long headlines that say something are more effective than short headlines that say nothing.

      6. Specifics are more believable than generalities.

      7. Long copy sells more than short copy.
      If David Ogilvy is going to condense what he's learned from John Caples into a list of seven items, and includes Long over Short as one of those valuable lessons, I'll take that as a qualifed answer on this subject.
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      • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
        Good variety of answers in this thread so far.

        Some say long, some say short, some say it depends and others think the question is silly.

        I welcome them all and learn from them because that's what makes the world ... and copy writing go around. - Dig it.
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  • Profile picture of the author John_S
    7. Long copy sells more than short copy.
    Cool. Not I don't have to edit. Because "the book" tells me so. (Hey, it's a good book).

    Test. Test. Test. Just don't expect a fifteen page postcard to get to the top of the list of things to test.

    Or maybe, being agency men, they had good reason to understand exactly what short copy was usually like.



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  • Profile picture of the author thehorizon
    I read about this in a copywriting classic... I can't remember which.

    Long copy is composed of various sections of short copy. So to say long copy is better than short copy merely means that there are multiple accurate promises that hit the prospect on the head.

    I guess for certain markets, you don't really need such a long copy...
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    • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
      There is no such thing really as Long Copy or Short Copy.

      Sales people don't think shall I talk for a long time or a short time. They simply talk for however long is required to sell the product or service.

      So instinctively one would spend a few seconds selling a bic pen and maybe an hour or two selling a comprehensive financial portfolio to a family.

      When Ogilvy ran an ad to sell his services it was a full page of copy in a broadsheet.

      When he did a thing for the French Tourist board it was just a picture of a man on a bike in some leafy French lane and a few words.

      How can I sell this best is the question, not what formula can I slavishly follow.

      Dan

      PS: Sorry Nicheman,forgot to answer your original question.Yes I guess I agree with the skirt reference.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoniWBeadle
    The length of my copy always strongly depends on how well you can overcome the reader's objections of the product or service you're selling. If it's something you feel the reader doesn't have to many objections too, short copy would work.

    However, if there are many objections...you write until you have given them specific reasons of why your product or service will work. If it takes 20 pages of copy to get the reader in a more than comfortable place to buy, that's how many pages you write.

    In my mind - it's never about the length of your copy...it's the contents you're providing to the potential buyer to click on the "buy now button" knowing they made the right decision and they made it themselves.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by JoniWBeadle View Post

      The length of my copy always strongly depends on how well you can overcome the reader's objections of the product or service you're selling. If it's something you feel the reader doesn't have to many objections too, short copy would work.

      However, if there are many objections...you write until you have given them specific reasons of why your product or service will work. If it takes 20 pages of copy to get the reader in a more than comfortable place to buy, that's how many pages you write.

      In my mind - it's never about the length of your copy...it's the contents you're providing to the potential buyer to click on the "buy now button" knowing they made the right decision and they made it themselves.
      Good, specific, "reason why" answer to the question.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ross Bowring
        Give the reader the "full pitch" and not a syllable more.

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