Do you want to know the big problem with new-to-copy ...writers?

by gjabiz
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No science behind this observation...but after reading 17 pieces of copy, and having only two worth testing...it is my opinion...and it shows in your copy...

there is ONE major problem...

CONFUSION.

I picture you at your desk, books scattered about, notes in notebook, pdf files open...

and you begin to write your headline, and you go through your notes, your swipe file...and you look for something to borrow from...

Then you go the body of copy, again back to the notes, swipes...

Then you reach for this, think about that...

In other words, you are CONFUSED as what to do next, or first, or even how...

You have Copy HOW-TO overload...and you are like a toddler playing with blocks, or one of those big 4 piece puzzles...and

your copy shows the confusion...

I can almost see you sitting there, OVERTHINKING your every word. Trying to do it as you were taught, or read about or heard of...

And because you are THINKING, it is destroying your copy...

Do YOUR THINKING BEFORE YOU BEGIN TO WRITE.

Seriously there is some raw talent here, but get your copy guru, teacher, books, lessons, pdfs, mp3s...out of the way of your WRITING.

Don't let confusion and CW Overload prevent you from fulfilling your potential. Cause some of you, just are wasting your time.

gjabiz

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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    This a very accurate observation and one that I see in my
    coaching students all the time. That's why the first lesson
    they have to do has to do with structuring and organizing
    their letter BEFORE they actually start to write. It's like
    planning an essay. If you don't know that you want to
    say and where then it's very hard to make sense in the
    end.

    Even if you're starting with AIDA, you should have a
    structure and plan in mind. Often students will have
    all the elements of the copy in a sales letter but placed
    in the wrong position.

    Then I'm not the only one seeing this patter in new
    and some nor so new copywriters.

    -Ray Edwards
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  • Profile picture of the author abugah
    Yes. I used to experience confusion in my writing until I discover that...
    1. Writing is like building; you lay the foundation then one brick after the other...
    2. The best writing is conversational...
    3. Connectors are crucial in eliminating confusion...
    4. The number of ideas that need to be in a paragraph should be an odd number and three is too much...
    5. The more you write the faster the confusion disappears from your writing.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by abugah View Post

      Yes. I used to experience confusion in my writing until I discover that...
      1. Writing is like building; you lay the foundation then one brick after the other...
      2. The best writing is conversational...
      3. Connectors are crucial in eliminating confusion...
      4. The number of ideas that need to be in a paragraph should be an odd number and three is too much...
      5. The more you write the faster the confusion disappears from your writing.
      Yes. Particularly point #2 and #5.

      The problem I see in new writers is not enough research done on the subject BEFORE even starting to write the pitch.

      If you know your subject - really know it - the piece will write itself.

      Especially if you keep it conversational. Like you're trying to sway a good mate to do something or other.

      And that's where a voice recognition software like "Dragon Naturally Speaking" can really be a breakthrough.

      Turn it on...spew it out...and then go back and clean it up. Oh - and keep in some of the "connectors" we use in conversation - even some of the "ums" and "ahs" and "ohs".

      Oh yeah...

      It helps break up the copy. Makes it easier to read. And you can even brand your writing that way with funny little sayings like -

      "You outta your mind?"
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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        In other words, following on from Mal's point, leave out the corporate talk. Or jilted turns of expression. Keep it natural. Warm. Flowing. Just like you would normally, talking to a friend.

        A conversation is a two way process. Talking and listening.

        So when seeking to persuade others around to your point of view in sales copy, raise their natural objections within the body copy itself and do this conversationally. You shouldn't need to be taught how to do this. It should come pretty naturally to most of you.

        Nobody agrees with you 100% of the time, when you're talking with someone sometimes you may see their brow furrow for example and you know you've hit on a slight nerve. An objection to your point of view which requires further explanation. Exactly the same in copywriting, imagine these objections in advance and overcome these possible objections on the fly as they enter your mind.

        You don't need to have a frequently asked questions section. Nobody talks like this to a good friend. Just address these points in the body of the copy conversationally keeping it completely natural.

        You're looking to achieve a smooth exchange of communication, a smooth transition from one emotion to another not dragging your prospects emotions across jagged rocks. It's about developing a foundation upon which you can build good strong relationships long into the future. In a nutshell, making friends with your target audience.

        So just be - friendly.

        Really, it's as simple as that.

        And what do friends do? They recommend you to other people, "Hey this guy / gal is a good sort. You should get to know them."

        Same with copywriting, you want people to make friends with your communication style and in doing so, recommend your services to other people. This is the art of a good conversation. Making relationships stronger so more trust exists between the parties involved.

        Where you enjoy more trust based on good conversations which emotionally engage well with others, so they perceive there to be a good benefit from knowing you and the way you write, this naturally will lead to more referrals in your copywriting business.

        Just like in 'real' life. The two are inseparable. Both philosophies are firmly intertwined.

        Best,


        Mark Andrews
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce Wedding
    A lot of folks make this harder than it is. What Gordon is talking about is the same thing you see in golf, analysis paralysis.

    Read the classics, absorb the material and then practice.

    After that, its just like talking to a guy at the bar.
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    • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
      OH Bruce, I forgot you were a golfer.

      I can't recall his name, out of Atlanta I think, he sells braids and his wife's products...nice guy...and a scratch golfer too. Good courses in Cancun?

      Anyhow, I taught the game for 20 years, had one of the largest rosters of students, at 1200 in the USA.

      First lesson. Hit the ball.

      Some couldn't even make the attempt...and I was fired after the first lesson...alrighty then, if you can't follow directions, don't let the door hit you in the butt.

      One guy Jimmy, was so into the swing, and he had a good one...couldn't play the game. Couldn't get below a 7 BECAUSE of his over analysis of his swing...

      And he had the tools to be a scratch or competitive golfer...as far as the physical part...but, what a mental case..

      You could smell him thinking on the course...and I enjoyed taking his money from him.

      Once you hit the ball...it gives you the feedback as to how the club was applied to it...including angle of delivery, speed, direction...open or closed, inside or outside..follow through.

      Then you make corrections on the range or minor adjustments on the course if you are capable...newbies aren't.

      Like in copywriting here...too many READERS, and they need to write...or hit the ball and let the copy give them the feedback...or their pro.

      Anyhow, here in New Mexico it was down to 14 last night...Cancun and a couple of Dos Equiss sounds pretty good right now.

      gjabiz

      Originally Posted by Bruce Wedding View Post

      A lot of folks make this harder than it is. What Gordon is talking about is the same thing you see in golf, analysis paralysis.

      Read the classics, absorb the material and then practice.

      After that, its just like talking to a guy at the bar.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bruce Wedding
        Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

        OH Bruce, I forgot you were a golfer.

        I can't recall his name, out of Atlanta I think, he sells braids and his wife's products...nice guy...and a scratch golfer too. Good courses in Cancun?
        Ricky Breslin is his name. Braids, Weaves, Twists, Natural Black Hair | Braids By Breslin

        Hell of a nice guy and good marketer.

        The courses here are ok but haven't had much opportunity to play. There are 3 within 5 miles of my condo. I'm working 7 days a week getting businesses setup where I can work 2 days a week. But it takes time.

        Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post


        Anyhow, here in New Mexico it was down to 14 last night...Cancun and a couple of Dos Equiss sounds pretty good right now.
        14! No thanks. I'm writing in shorts, t-shirt and flip flops. The sliding door is open, the sun is shining and the waves and crashing in.

        Here's the Copywriting Maniac's Lair Today (excuse the phone photo and the mess, but I'm working):


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        Back on topic...

        I'm going to share a bit of how I write because it is different from most of the people I see. I'm a guy with a short attention span. The hardest part of writing copy for me is sitting down in the chair.

        Here's how I do things: (btw: I talk about reading and that is what I prefer. I HATE writing for audio and video products unless they have a transcript)

        1. Read it like the target audience.

        2. Read it again and highlight EVERYTHING that could be a bullet, headline, major section you need to cover.

        3. Determine the pain points I'm targeting. This usually involves research, if I don't know the market.

        4. Now I brainstorm for the hook. This is so critical but I never move forward until I have it. This can be frustrating for clients because you can't rush it. When it hits me, I know it.

        Almost ready to write...

        5. With the hook and pain points, I start writing headlines. I'm not Brian Keith Voiles, but I do write 50 or more, some very similar, some very different. I admit to using headline swipe files for this. It sparks the creativity.

        6. Finally, I open Dreamweaver and put in one of the best headlines, IMO.

        7. I'll expand some deck copy with some of the other headline ideas or some of the killer bullets I've pulled out of the document.

        8. Now I write non-stop from the salutation to the product introduction, usually about 5-6 pages

        9. Next, a trick taught to me by John Hostler. I move down to the bottom and write my PS's, my order box and my close. This area of your letter is so important, you don't want to be rushing to finish it if you write top to bottom. Everyone pages down here very quickly and it needs to be killer copy.

        10. Move up to the product introduction, splat in my researched bullets. I work really hard on bullets because I think they are really important. One bullet in a 20 page sales letter can make a sale. I've studied bullets more than any other part of copywriting, other than the headline. John Carlton, Gary Halbert and Ben Settle do great bullets.

        11. Read aloud, edit, smooth the flow, add bucket brigade phrases. Editing is almost ALWAYS cutting, not adding.

        12. Done

        After using the headline swipe file, I'm on my own. I'm not referencing books etc, other than my own notes.

        Except... I do have a spreadsheet bullet creator which I wrote to help write bullets but that's mine so its not like I'm relying on the advice of others. I put in the key point and it will output 21 different types of bullets.
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  • Profile picture of the author Traci
    Never thought about it like that before. The golf analysis makes perfect since, especially the part about adjusting on the course as you go once you get a little playing under your belt.

    I just started playing a little over a year ago. Never thought I'd be a golfer, but I love it. Haven't even broken 100 yet, but I'm working on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Sanchez
    I used to suffer from....(now what was that word? Oh yeah...) Confusion.

    But after letting reality give me a swift roundhouse to the head (or was that Chuck Norris)...It dawned on me:

    "The more I research, the easier writing gets!"

    Now I research until the words flow. No way to explain it. I just feel it. Eugene Schwartz said something similar I believe. The copy is all there inside the research.

    If I ever get stuck, I go back to the research.
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    • Profile picture of the author DougBarger
      Originally Posted by Daniel Sanchez View Post

      I used to suffer from....(now what was that word? Oh yeah...) Confusion.

      But after letting reality give me a swift roundhouse to the head (or was that Chuck Norris)...It dawned on me:

      "The more I research, the easier writing gets!"

      Now I research until the words flow. No way to explain it. I just feel it. Eugene Schwartz said something similar I believe. The copy is all there inside the research.

      If I ever get stuck, I go back to the research.
      Yes he did. Was reading through some Schwartz last week in a trance while finishing the campaign to launch the business services division of an overseas firm. And an email conversion series for a soon-to-launch software developer in NY.

      Schwartz himself used to read for an hour---anything but related to business. Tabloids mostly.

      He would go to the bathroom and cut himself shaving.

      A horrible shaver, but that's where he got his best ideas.

      He'd rush back to the computer and jot it down before he forgot,
      then get back up to the mirror and cut himself again.

      This was the way he defeated his chimpanzee brain.

      Mozart, while still in the single digits age-wise, would roll a billiards ball
      with one hand and according to the trajectory of its return,
      position his hand to catch it on the way back.

      That's when the next note would hit him.

      He composed entire symphonies this way years before turning ten.

      Schwartz set the timer to 33:33.

      The hardest part indeed is sitting in the chair.

      But for as long as the countdown timer counts down,
      I am permitted to do nothing but write.

      Nothing but the task at hand.

      It wasn't creativity he said. Only God created heaven and earth
      with nothing before it.

      We have to "connect" rather than create.

      The creativity is in the market and the product. Not us.

      We aren't the creators. We are the copywriters the connectors of ideas.

      That's the zen-like state Schwartz explained which helps get over
      the confusion.

      Something to distract the conscious brain while the subconscious mind
      freely connects and channels the demand right on through to the joining
      of market and product transaction.

      Was also reading some Joseph Sugarman where he talks about reading aloud
      and anticipating where someone would ask a question...then immediately
      answering it in the copy right there.

      He said one long-time customer who loved reading his catalogs commented something to the effect that it was like he was reading her mind with his copy,
      because almost without fail, at the precise moment she'd begin to ask a question
      in response to the copy, he would answer the question on the spot with the copy.

      Many copy instructors will teach you to write out winning ads by hand.

      Many will teach you the value of a good swipe file of winning ads' components.

      There's certainly value in both.

      If for nothing else, the organization you get.

      Of course, you get better at writing sales letters by writing more sales letters more than any exercise.

      The rest is just practice/preparation.

      Research is most important.

      I don't think there's a copywriter alive who didn't go through that confused stage at one point early in our careers.

      Don't despair or beat yourself up over it. Just do your research and keep writing sales letters. You'll get your system down.

      The flow will happen and the results will come.
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  • Profile picture of the author dbellm
    I agree. Lack of flow is one of the more common problems in all types of writing.

    Interestingly enough, it seems to be more of a problem with intermediate writers than beginners. Complete novices will often knock out a bunch of words as they flow to their head and not think much about it. And the total pro knows how to integrate the many copywriting techniques into a seamless, effective piece of writing that fluidly pours from one section to another.

    But in between those extremes are the sophomore copywriters. They know enough technique to be dangerous. They've studied the methods, they've read the books, they've been to the forums.

    But they haven't yet written enough copy to understand how to make it all work together.

    That said, if they keep on working at it they'll get better -- maybe they'll bring it all together and get awesome at it. Every art takes practice to really apply the fundamentals.
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  • Profile picture of the author pex7
    Very interesting thread. I'm actually so new to copywriting that I haven't even gotten to the point of over thinking yet. Does anyone have any suggestions of the best books or posts or whatever to learn from? Who are the copy writing masters that I should study?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      Originally Posted by pex7 View Post

      Very interesting thread. I'm actually so new to copywriting that I haven't even gotten to the point of over thinking yet. Does anyone have any suggestions of the best books or posts or whatever to learn from? Who are the copy writing masters that I should study?
      On this forum? Many of who are well respected copywriters in their own right...

      http://www.warriorforum.com/copywrit...pywriters.html

      Also Halbert of course, John Carlton, Michel Fortin, Jay Abraham etc etc - Google them.

      Best,


      Mark Andrews
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      • Profile picture of the author mowse73
        I'm new to all this and i have many pdf's and tutorials. You end up just reading and not doing.

        I went on an NLP course recently and the best thing i took from the course is this presupposition.

        If you want to understand.

        Act!

        I think at some point you have to forget the tutorials and start writing and be prepared to fail(which is probably the quickest way to learn).
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  • Profile picture of the author RHert
    Wow. Absolutely none of you feel strongly about this at all.
    No really i agree with most of you. It's like writing a book, the more you do it the better you get. You can study a thousand hours, see the work of the greats, but until you sit down and write words on a page YOU aren't a writer, or in this case copywriter. The magic is in the DOING.
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  • Profile picture of the author jtunkelo
    Agreed. When you're deep enough in what you're doing, you know the structure before jumping headlong into a project, and will be able to adapt without getting confused. In other words, know the rules before you can go and confidently break them... if need be.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zentech
    I never think when I write. I know that sounds crazy, but writing has always been an art for me (way before I got into copy) and when I write, I'm in the zone. I don't write unless I feel I'm being "written through" effortlessly rather than struggling. I do my thinking, studying, and research before writing, and what it's time to set fingers to keyboard, I just GO.
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