What Do You Think Of This As A Headline?

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So, I was just playing around with some ideas for a headline for my new upcoming traffic program, and thought I'd run this past you.

My idea is to write one sales letter myself and split test it against a few professionally written ones.

What do we think...?

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  • Profile picture of the author MarcMilburn
    Incidently... if this is something which has been used elsewhere, and I've subconsciously remembered it and then convinced myself that I've invented it, then please let me know.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      Sometimes you grab attention and say more by saying less.


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      • Profile picture of the author Marci Ann Aurila
        Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

        Sometimes you grab attention and say more by saying less.


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        I agree, less can be more effective.

        ok, not to be mean...but I would RUN from this headline. it reminds me of the million CB offers I get in my gmail ever day. Overly 'hype-y'.

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  • Profile picture of the author backendbuddy
    'IF' is a stop word, right?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      Originally Posted by backendbuddy View Post

      'IF' is a stop word, right?
      Gary Bencivenga has some excellent advice about this technique: (The If/Then construction)

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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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        P.S. I like the headline. I would definitely test it before including people's advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Ausin
    Holy sh*t that's a huge blob of red text

    Indeed, try using less words..

    At least split it up a bit - into a preheadline, main headline and subheadline. Right now its unreadable.
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    • Profile picture of the author stookie44
      Fast Profits Formula System



      By Not Reading This


      You Will Never Know The Easy Steps I Took Build A $500.000 Online Business -While Getting Other People To Do The Grunt Work For Me



      What about this?
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      • Profile picture of the author Hils
        Personally I think it's quite good - it's emotive and builds curiosity. However, it's a bit long and slightly confusing i.e. is this going to be about getting traffic or building a $500,000 business or both?

        If you can split it into 3 parts as Matt Ausin suggested, then that would help with both these issues on length and clarity.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dandybeer
        Originally Posted by stookie44 View Post

        Fast Profits Formula System



        By Not Reading This


        You Will Never Know The Easy Steps I Took Build A $500.000 Online Business -While Getting Other People To Do The Grunt Work For Me



        What about this?
        I think it will work
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      • Profile picture of the author BuriedAlive
        Originally Posted by stookie44 View Post

        Fast Profits Formula System



        By Not Reading This


        You Will Never Know The Easy Steps I Took Build A $500.000 Online Business -While Getting Other People To Do The Grunt Work For Me



        What about this?
        I like this better, sorry. It's shorter, more concise (although, there are grammar slips), and it used reverse psychology on the onset which was really effective because it made me read it. With yours I got a bit confused and I had to read it again and again. I read it ONLY because you asked for our opinion but had I been doing this passively I wouldn't have continued reading it.
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  • Profile picture of the author hinadeane
    I like it too as it makes me want to read more, but I agree with the others when they say it would be better if it was shorter
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  • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
    That's almost identical to a headline Dan Kennedy uses in his newsletter, it's probably worth a shot. It's a bit wordy though. See if you can say it in 10 words or less.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarcMilburn
    Okay guys... thanks for the feedback

    (I was waiting to be shot to pieces...!)
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  • Profile picture of the author Doceye
    Milburn,

    I'd lose "that" in the third line; does nothing to move things forward in (as has been pointed out) an already-long head. I'd apply the same snip to "then" in the last line.

    If you're running this strictly in the UK you're fine with the word "whilst" in the sixth line. But some of my dumb-arse Americans aren't going to get that word ... even in context.

    Let us know how testing goes.

    Doc
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  • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
    Too many words - long headlines loose a bit of the HEADLINE factor..

    Why are you highlighting the gun to the head, and the unrelated what other people did? If using multiple highlights you want them to connect, be related, the reader should only need to read the highlighted areas...

    Not comfortable with a couple of phrases / words that fail to reinforce anything:
    drive enough traffic
    if, enough, would, then, used

    The premise also has negative impact - since we won't be putting a gun to your head, then will we or won't we get the secret?...

    Also, there is no scarcity...

    You could use this

    My system generates $500,000... other people do all the work.

    Add CTA and scarcity.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      Originally Posted by mrdomains View Post

      The premise also has negative impact - since we won't be putting a gun to your head, then will we or won't we get the secret?...
      Isn't that just an expression? I think you could be over-analyzing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author DougBarger
    Do you REALLY want your market's attention?

    In your headline, tell them they put the gun to your head and demanded your secret system that drives on-demand traffic and built your $500,000 business.

    Tell them all the reasons you knew they wanted your system. (This is where you can sneak in all the benefits and unique competitive advantages here.)

    Then tell them although it was just a dream you had, you realized it could be a real win-win if you productized your system for those who wanted to duplicate your results.

    If you tell them they put the gun to your head in your headline and follow suit with the story like I suggest, I don't think there's anyone's attention you wouldn't command.

    Don't you agree?
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  • Profile picture of the author Grain
    'Gun to my head' gives people an illusion of a binary
    situation. (Either yes, or no.)

    Live... or die.

    You either give out your secrets, or bring it to the
    grave as a dead man.

    Naturally, it would seem to increase believability,
    due to 'fear' driving the situation into the shoes of
    your reader. But...

    Here's are 3 things you're trying to achieve here:

    1) You're trying to tell people that you're giving them
    the best of your knowledge.

    2) You're trying to give a proof factor as a credible
    figure by telling them you have a $500K business.

    3) You're trying to bring across the USP of doing
    nothing and outsourcing your work to others.

    I'm pretty sure you can find other methods to press
    their hot buttons instead of these.

    The benefits are really over the moon for your target
    audience - understate and deflate your claims by
    breaking it down to smaller, seemingly achievable
    figures.

    How about telling them about the strongest functional
    and emotional benefits of these?

    Well, I'd often say not to fall in love with headlines,
    but if you are really insistent on this one, cut it
    short and sweet, and then split test it with a safer and
    tested headline.
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  • Profile picture of the author JerryKuzma
    Sorry, it sounds like hype. To most intelligent people, hype = crap, and it scares off good prospects.

    If you want IMPACT, then be BLUNT--but in bite-sized chunks.

    Agree...too much red equals a sea of red, so it ceases to have impact.

    One of my first lessons in journalism was (of course): KISS, Keep It Simple, Stupid. And the teacher's example was, instead of a long, drawn-out telegram announcing the passing away of the mutual maternal parent-----he simplified it by quoting:

    "Mother's dead."

    I see it, I read it, I understand all the terms used, it paints an immediate picture, and I am hit up the face with the blunt fact that the writer is trying to impact me with.

    THEN, I am ready for a call to action....

    Hope this helps

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  • Profile picture of the author Tadresources
    It's definitely wordy. The best headlines have a lot to say but say it in fewer words. I like the general idea though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Saluki Guy
    How about this?

    Internet Traffic Expert Reveals...

    "If You Held A Gun To My Head And FORCED Me To Expose How I Built My $500,000 Online Empire... This Is What I Would Tell You."

    The Best Part Is How I 'Cleaned Up Big-Tme' While I Outsourced All Of The Dirty Work.
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  • Profile picture of the author JerryKuzma
    Boiled down, it could read:

    "Here's How I Got OTHER PEOPLE
    to Build a $500k Business For Me..."

    Sub-head could bring in the other issues, such as traffic etc....

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    • I think Jerry nailed it.

      You could make it more prospect focused.

      Rather than say what you did - show them what's in it for them.

      "Here's How To Get Other People To Build A $500,000 Business For You"


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      • Profile picture of the author LinkerLEE
        Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

        "Here's How To Get Other People To Build A $500,000 Business For You"
        You can mark it as red but, without yellow...
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  • Profile picture of the author The Marketeer
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    I hate it, especially "whilst." That doesn't mean it won't work in the MMO niche, though.

    Try it and see.
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  • Profile picture of the author dame016
    I like the yellow amorphous highlights, but you can lose some unnecessary words. For example, in 'That I used to drive enough traffic to build a..', you can opt to go for 'That I used to build'. That would still deliver your message.
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  • I think the first headline's too long and presents too many competing ideas and images. Simplify!
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    • Profile picture of the author Roger08
      Originally Posted by Eoin: BelfastCopywriter View Post

      I think the first headline's too long and presents too many competing ideas and images. Simplify!
      yeah..i agree.. why not make it make it direct to the point..
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  • Profile picture of the author alfid
    I also simplify it a little, but it's a very good idea. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author maximus242
    I think its a terrible headline
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  • Profile picture of the author Hayley McKeever
    Mmm, I agree with the others. It's a bit too bright and busy. And the wording is a little harsh sounding. You need something that is "less is more" but still has the BIG message, which means people have to check it out further. Good luck!

    Best wishes, Hayley McKeever
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  • Profile picture of the author Terra26
    The first thing I would say is that it is definitely attention-getting with using the “gun to my head” approach. However, my next reaction is that I think the font is too big and the red is too much. I also agree with many others that there are too many words for a headline. I am not sure of using the word “whilst” as it is not a commonly used word (at least not where I’m from).
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  • Profile picture of the author recyclyetogreen
    You title I think could also raise a question why one would when so much scams are going around. I think it will be better if you will question in your title like:

    Can You Held a Gun To Me And Force Me To Expose The Exact System That I used To Drive Enough Traffic To build a $500,000 Business Online?

    Well, then this is what I would tell you!
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  • Profile picture of the author gamzu
    As a headline this is not one that I have encountered, but this is very much in the style of Gary Halbert's Gun To Your Head Marketing - which I have often heard him speak about.

    I think that for a newbee IM market this may work - although I am tending to move towards more genuine/honest headlines at the moment.
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  • Profile picture of the author knish
    The "gun to my head" approach captures the attention of newbies prospects,
    but will not work with those veterans, who have read this hundreds of times.
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  • Profile picture of the author PowToon
    The headline itself is ok for nubies, but what you are doing real well is the highlighting on the actual image. I like that a lot.
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