Who Do You Post for Here on the CW Forum?

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I want to conduct a little poll (no remarks please) on who you write for in the copywriting forum.

Are your posts more geared towards interacting with other copywriters?

OR

Do you post here to help non-pros who want to learn how to write their own copy?

OR

Both?

Personally, I gear my style and approach towards the lurkers we hardly ever or never hear from.

Who is your intended audience?

And why?

Mark Pescetti
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  • The reason I post is to have a "break" from writing.

    Not altogether sure if that makes any sense.




    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      Who? And reason why?...

      Typically newbies and hopefully to keep the standard of this forum moving in the right direction.

      Although lately... I'm despairing of offering much more here due to the constant stream of drive-by shooters who seem hell bent on causing as much trouble as possible.

      Many unfortunately these days don't seem to value good solid advice like they used to.

      They're born lazy and have pretty much had everything handed to them on a plate all their lives. They understand not the school of hard knocks.

      They just want, nay demand everything to be handed to them on a plate all the time thinking / believing the entire world owes them personally a giant favor.

      Quite honestly? Lately? It's been getting right up my nose.

      One starts questioning, what the hell am I doing this for? Giving all this knowledge away completely free of charge? It seems to be more and more pointless as the days and weeks, months roll by.

      I'm thinking since I'm always holding my best knowledge back that I'm better off spending my time putting just the highest quality marketing info I can together - into my own paid for products.

      Truth is, people don't always appreciate free knowledge. Free help. Many just want the easiest push button solution to get their hands on the instant overnight riches and fame which they think they inherently deserve just by the virtue of being born with a silver spoon stuck halfway up their backsides.

      I guess my patience with many newbies these days is very rapidly running out.

      Sure I don't mind helping out anyone who is truly passionate about the subject but... when was the last time someone truly desiring to learn everything they could about copywriting, when was the last time we saw anyone like this come to this forum? The're so few and far between these days. Hardly any newbies have any staying power it seems.

      Let's face it, in copywriting there is no shortcut to becoming good at this. It requires a hell of a lot of learning and an exceptionally steep learning curve at that. Must sound far too much like hard work for 99% here who are just looking for an easy way out to making a lot of money.

      But then, I guess it is what it is.

      Young people today are just more selfish generally speaking.

      They want it all but can't seem to get it through their thick skulls that in order to become truly who you want to become in life, you gotta work your ass off to get there. You've gotta put the hours in. Just like every other pro copywriter before them.

      Enough of my rambling on. There's work to be getting on with.


      Mark Andrews
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      • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
        Mark A.? Does somebody need a hug?
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      • Profile picture of the author ndisque
        Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

        Who? And reason why?...

        Typically newbies and hopefully to keep the standard of this forum moving in the right direction.

        Although lately... I'm despairing of offering much more here due to the constant stream of drive-by shooters who seem hell bent on causing as much trouble as possible.

        Many unfortunately these days don't seem to value good solid advice like they used to.

        They're born lazy and have pretty much had everything handed to them on a plate all their lives. They understand not the school of hard knocks.

        They just want, nay demand everything to be handed to them on a plate all the time thinking / believing the entire world owes them personally a giant favor.

        Quite honestly? Lately? It's been getting right up my nose.

        One starts questioning, what the hell am I doing this for? Giving all this knowledge away completely free of charge? It seems to be more and more pointless as the days and weeks, months roll by.

        I'm thinking since I'm always holding my best knowledge back that I'm better off spending my time putting just the highest quality marketing info I can together - into my own paid for products.

        Truth is, people don't always appreciate free knowledge. Free help. Many just want the easiest push button solution to get their hands on the instant overnight riches and fame which they think they inherently deserve just by the virtue of being born with a silver spoon stuck halfway up their backsides.

        I guess my patience with many newbies these days is very rapidly running out.

        Sure I don't mind helping out anyone who is truly passionate about the subject but... when was the last time someone truly desiring to learn everything they could about copywriting, when was the last time we saw anyone like this come to this forum? The're so few and far between these days. Hardly any newbies have any staying power it seems.

        Let's face it, in copywriting there is no shortcut to becoming good at this. It requires a hell of a lot of learning and an exceptionally steep learning curve at that. Must sound far too much like hard work for 99% here who are just looking for an easy way out to making a lot of money.

        But then, I guess it is what it is.

        Young people today are just more selfish generally speaking.

        They want it all but can't seem to get it through their thick skulls that in order to become truly who you want to become in life, you gotta work your ass off to get there. You've gotta put the hours in. Just like every other pro copywriter before them.

        Enough of my rambling on. There's work to be getting on with.


        Mark Andrews
        I'm a newbie to this forum, but I do have a good understanding of what marketing, SEO and traffic can do for a website. I am very interested in trying to figure out (from scratch) how to get an Amazon Associates program launched from the ground up. I do not have any issues with writing to it on a daily basis and being patient for sales. However, I feel that every post and website I come across is selling this information or showing me how to set up an Associates account, which I don't need or want.

        Does anyone have any links to where I can find posts or websites that will provide me with full detailed instructions for once I have an Amazon Associates tracking ID and website set up, what I need to do? I have a few niche ideas, but am not sure "if I build it, they will come" theory works here.

        Any help to the newby would be greatly appreciated!

        Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
        Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

        I'm thinking since I'm always holding my best knowledge back that I'm better off spending my time putting just the highest quality marketing info I can together - into my own paid for products.

        Truth is, people don't always appreciate free knowledge. Free help. Many just want the easiest push button solution to get their hands on the instant overnight riches and fame which they think they inherently deserve just by the virtue of being born with a silver spoon stuck halfway up their backsides.
        Mark... funny thing is...

        ...You could GIVE most people all the information you're inspired to (here or anywhere else), for free, and while they might say to themselves, "Great post. I should totally utilize this information."

        The fact of the matter is...

        They'll likely forget in 10 minutes and revert back into their subconscious habits.

        However...

        If they pay their hard earned money for the same information, they're way more likely to utilize and benefit from your genius.

        That being said...

        "The more you give, the more you get or receive."

        I recently received a $9,999 donation - out of the blue.

        The PayPal account it came from seems to be fairly new.

        Now, over the years, I've received donations and massive tips for my coaching services before.

        But this was by far the largest I've ever gotten.

        I have no clue why.

        Or from who.

        They just clicked on my donate tab and sent it over.

        My point is...

        While you're most likely right, in that most people don't appreciate the time you take to post on here as much as they should, you never know how drastically you're affecting the lives of a small few...

        ...and what you might receive as a result.

        Should you live for that??

        Hell no!

        I wholeheartedly believe that if you organized the top 5 ways entrepreneurs can learn and utilize what you know (for instance), you'll make WAY more money selling that than helping clients one at a time.

        Of course...

        Never forget, everyone learns from the posts here (well, the good ones any way.)

        Including me. Including you.

        We ALL benefit from keeping the CW forum going in dynamic ways.

        But everyone deserves to be well compensated for their time, energy, knowledge, awareness and practical tools.

        So go get ya some!

        Mark Pescetti
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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          Originally Posted by Reflection Marketing View Post


          So go get ya some!

          Mark Pescetti
          You're right. As always. It's got to be done. Starting tonight.

          I feel like a volcano lately just waiting to erupt.

          There's wisdom inside my mind absolutely screaming now to be let out, I've allowed the pressure to build up for far too long, it now needs an outlet. A release.

          And thanks to you and Max5ty (Marcus Kelly), Rick Duris and Arfa Saira, Diana Heuser too for all your encouragement - it's truly appreciated. I don't want to let you down.

          I'll make a start tonight, start laying out the foundation.

          No more putting it off procrastinating. This has got to be done and fast. Otherwise I'll end up going completely barmy and scatty. As if I'm not barmy enough already.

          Chin chin,


          Mark Andrews
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          • Blimey,

            Does this mean Mark is going to write something?


            Steve


            P.S. Get on with it Andrews and good luck.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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              Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

              Blimey,

              Does this mean Mark is going to write something?


              Steve


              P.S. Get on with it Andrews and good luck.
              "Get on with it Andrews," ya cheeky bloody sod. That will be Officer Andrews to you Steve. And salute properly and stand up bloody straight man!

              Bloody riff raff. Unbelievable!

              In the words of Magnus Magnusson (may his soul rest in peace bless him), "I've started so I'll finish."

              Now writing at 90mph.

              "So get lost and close the door quietly behind you."

              Mark shuffles his papers and returns to his desk muttering under his breath something about subordinates the perishin' little blighters.

              Now, where was I?...
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          • Profile picture of the author max5ty
            Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

            You're right. As always. It's got to be done. Starting tonight.

            I feel like a volcano lately just waiting to erupt.

            There's wisdom inside my mind absolutely screaming now to be let out, I've allowed the pressure to build up for far too long, it now needs an outlet. A release.

            And thanks to you and Max5ty (Marcus Kelly), Rick Duris and Arfa Saira, Diana Heuser too for all your encouragement - it's truly appreciated. I don't want to let you down.

            I'll make a start tonight, start laying out the foundation.

            No more putting it off procrastinating. This has got to be done and fast. Otherwise I'll end up going completely barmy and scatty. As if I'm not barmy enough already.

            Chin chin,


            Mark Andrews
            Bout time chap (my best British). Hope you do well...I know you will.
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            • Mark,

              Not that you should be reading this because you're busy scribbling.

              But on thread 4 you actually wrote a cracker of a phrase - "constant stream of drive-by shooters"

              Under UK legislation ("finders keepers") I give notice that I have every intention of swiping the aforementioned phrase.

              I will bung a few quid in a charity tin next time I see one.


              Steve
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              • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
                I recently received a $9,999 donation - out of the blue.

                The PayPal account it came from seems to be fairly new.

                Now, over the years, I've received donations and massive tips for my coaching services before.

                But this was by far the largest I've ever gotten.

                I have no clue why.

                Or from who.

                They just clicked on my donate tab and sent it over.
                Mark,

                Wow, what a story.

                How often do people donate from your "donate" button?

                If you have more stories and insights about this, it might be something I'd write about in my newsletter. Feel free to respond here or by PM.

                I post here usually in my quest to learn, exchange ideas and find interesting material others haven't written much about.

                Marcia Yudkin
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              • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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                Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

                But on thread 4 you actually wrote a cracker of a phrase - "constant stream of drive-by shooters"

                Under UK legislation ("finders keepers") I give notice that I have every intention of swiping the aforementioned phrase.

                I will bung a few quid in a charity tin next time I see one.


                Steve
                Well if you're going to bung a few quid in a charity tin, allow me at least please to suggest the charity which should benefit from the donation...

                There are lots of ways you can support the RNLI

                Thanks Steve,


                Mark Andrews
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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        Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

        Young people today are just more selfish generally speaking.
        I take umbrage to this statement, sir :p.

        Anyways, I think I can still count on one hand the number of times I have actually posted in this section. When I do, it's to add to a conversation or make a counterpoint.

        I'm not that interesting.
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  • Profile picture of the author DavidG
    I post when I take my 10 minute breaks... usually geared to questions that I can help with.

    Other than that I also come here to read the threads for entertainment and perspectives.


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  • Profile picture of the author ThomasOMalley
    I post to help others with good copywriting tactics and resources.

    I have found some excellent resources and info. here. In other words, share and share alike.

    For example, I found Paul Hancox's preselling material from this forum. And I don't find much helpful preselling material elsewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author ndisque
    VL -

    That's my point....they are all for SALE. Are there any FREE online tutorials (whether in this forum or not) that anyone knows of to walk a person through how to start making money by using their Amazon Associates ID? I have already followed FREE yourtube videos on how to create my associates account, but I am looking for once I know the niche I want to market, and select the items to display in my Amazon aStore, how I get it up and running where traffic comes to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author oleskool
    I speed time on the forum to say current with the market, entertainment and a break.

    I have learned alot when I have spent time on the forum in the different sections.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      Originally Posted by ndisque View Post

      VL -

      That's my point....they are all for SALE. Are there any FREE online tutorials (whether in this forum or not) that anyone knows of to walk a person through how to start making money by using their Amazon Associates ID?
      There's 23 here for FREE...

      http://www.warriorforum.com/search.p...rchid=15720291

      To gain access to them you'll need to join the War Room, become a full member of the Warrior Forum for $37.

      Will pay for itself in no time, if you're good, within one hour.

      Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

      I take umbrage to this statement, sir :p.

      Anyways, I think I can still count on one hand the number of times I have actually posted in this section. When I do, it's to add to a conversation or make a counterpoint.

      I'm not that interesting.
      The correct use Joe of the Queen's English is thus stated...

      "Indeed I absolutely refuse to take aspersion and indeed will take no great umbrage at your remarks Mr Andrews."

      Which needs to be stated in the most most eloquent and posh British accent you can muster.

      Consider yourself corrected young man.

      More tea Vicar?

      Bottoms up what what,


      Mark Andrews Esq
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  • Profile picture of the author maximus242
    If you ask me the vast majority of people who post on the copywriting forum are posting for...

    CLIENTS!

    Not other copywriters at all, thats why theres all those BS articles on the copywriting forum that are more or less advertorials

    While its not always that way the copywriting forum is treated like a political game for guru status. The bigger the guru status the easier it is for them to acquire clients.

    Self interest is always at play. So basically what happens is copywriters fight amongst each other and argue about who is the "guru" to lead the other copywriters which lends social proof to the copywriter and allows them to awe the client.

    To me this forum is often treated like a chess match fighting for dominance to get easier access to clients, higher fees, and less work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tangycontent
      Originally Posted by maximus242 View Post

      Self interest is always at play. So basically what happens is copywriters fight amongst each other and argue about who is the "guru" to lead the other copywriters which lends social proof to the copywriter and allows them to awe the client.
      Let these clowns have at it... the type of people that will make a purchase from these guys are not the ones you want as clients anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author wvcopywriter
    Hey Mark, I agree with you that people don't want to make the commitment to learning the craft of good copy. A lot of people do want to take the easy way out.

    I've found it very hard craft to learn, mostly from low self esteem. I have delt with that for years. Last year I had a break-though. I'm facing my fears and still writing and learning. I'm may not be making much money yet, or be where I want to be in my writing and skills, but thank God I have made progess and still learning.

    I'm not where I want to be , but I not where I was either. It takes dicipline and dedication and a lot of hard writing...

    For those who are always inquiring about copywriting, there is no easy road to walk. You must have a zeal, a passion, and desire to do this in order to succeed.

    The passion for writing copy is what kept me going...

    When I would quit because I didn't think I was good enough, I would dream about it. I can't shake the copywriting life, it's a part of who I am.

    I know that may sound weird. This is why I know this is what I am suppose to do in life.


    It may be taking me a while to get there...

    ...but I am getting there.
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  • Profile picture of the author ejunkie
    I usually post to interact with other copywriters. Not only to pick their brains but also to see who they are as individuals. Personality doesn't matter to me. Character does.

    I also post to see if i can contribute to the questions that most non-copywriters here often have.

    Moreover, I post here just to express myself.
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