People Hate Email That Names Them

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People Hate Email That Names Them

Looking at my last 20 broadcast messages, it doesn't seem to me that putting {!firstname_fix} in the subject has any real effect either way. I think it's all in the actual subject line - and your relationship with your list that determines your open rate.

A smart Warrior once told me to write every email as you're speaking directly to the individual and not the group. That seems to be working best for me, and I try to include {!firstname_fix} in most subject lines.

Curious if you've done any testing that agrees with the findings in the above article.
-Rob
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexandru
    Great article! Thanks for posting it Rob.

    It looks like the research looks at things from a company's perspective. Most of us try to establish a personal one-on-one relationship with our subscribers, so it might not apply to our situation.

    I'll definitely test things out and see what happens.
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    • Profile picture of the author arfasaira
      My own take on this (I have a small list) is that the highest open rates I have are when I use a subject line that I KNOW my ideal client is affected by.

      And yes - when I use their firstname in the subject header, I get more clicks.

      Currently for the last 18 newsletters I've sent out, I'm averaging 25% open rates, with the highest being 58% for a subject on branding - something that bothers my ideal clients.

      Another thing that helps - If I've done a video, I'll use [Video Training] in the subject header as well as their first name - and these get good open rates as well. As soon as my list are able to see I'm offering something of value to help them, I get a good open rate as well as a good CTR.

      I will point out though that my list is less than a 100 and are all health coaches. I'm always testing headlines and ones I find that work best are headlines where I'll mention numbers such as: 5 Ways to Make More Money or 5 Ways To Get More Clients etc etc
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  • Profile picture of the author WinstonTian
    I call BS on the name in subject lines.

    In fact, while personalization works in the email
    copy for some niches, it may backfire for others.

    I get nearly 50+% open rates without doing
    anything related to names... What's important is
    that you use copy to "call them" with subtlety.

    Those are in niches like health though...

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    • Profile picture of the author dunkinbbb
      I'm no copywriter, but I do get emails :-)

      Biggest determinant of opens - "From"

      When I scroll down the list of emails in the morning - that is the column I scroll first - not "Subject"

      So, therefore, IMHO, opens are primarily based upon the previous relationship you have with the opener - not some "great subject line"

      Reminds me of the old Zen story about the guy looking for the lost key under the lamp post because "the light is better here" - instead of where he had dropped the key - :-)

      Just my two cents


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      • Profile picture of the author Karson
        Indeed I am the same way as dunkinbbb here. I always see who it's from first. A couple weeks ago it really threw me off for about a week when WSOTD changed there from. I'm sure it's still affecting open rates now.

        Originally Posted by dunkinbbb View Post

        I'm no copywriter, but I do get emails :-)

        Biggest determinant of opens - "From"

        When I scroll down the list of emails in the morning - that is the column I scroll first - not "Subject"

        So, therefore, IMHO, opens are primarily based upon the previous relationship you have with the opener - not some "great subject line"

        Reminds me of the old Zen story about the guy looking for the lost key under the lamp post because "the light is better here" - instead of where he had dropped the key - :-)

        Just my two cents


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    • Profile picture of the author Raydal
      Originally Posted by WinstonTian View Post

      I call BS on the name in subject lines.

      In fact, while personalization works in the email
      copy for some niches, it may backfire for others.

      I get nearly 50+% open rates without doing
      anything related to names... What's important is
      that you use copy to "call them" with subtlety.

      Those are in niches like health though...

      Winston Tian

      And why do you think this would work in health niches?

      Most people consider their health issues private information and
      would therefore prefer to be anonymous. So there are exceptions
      to every "rule" and normally those exceptions apply to another
      "rule" that over rides the 'normal' one.

      But I do get better open rates when the first name is used
      in the subject line. I tend open those emails myself as well.

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      • Profile picture of the author avalanche
        Tested first name in client email projects and it's never given me a lift.

        Makes sense, because I recently filtered gmail for messages from a group of my friends - never saw my name in the subject line, so I'd say it looks unnatural.

        I also don't use it in a salutation. What I do though is embed it somewhere in the body of the email if it makes sense for more of a subtle/subconscious effect.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Hill
    Great article, thanks for posting the link. It looks like the study itself is currently only available in a subscription database.

    The second article said:

    "Customers who were unfamiliar with the firm were very likely to click off or unsubscribe from emails with personalized greetings. Customers who were more familiar with the firm were less likely to do so, but still responded more negatively than to emails without greetings. Customers who had made past purchases were unaffected."

    From a social standpoint, this makes sense. It's not clear from the articles if the personalized greetings were using first name, full name, or a salutation. If just first names were used, it takes time to build the kind of casual relationship in a business setting where calling people by their first names is generally acceptable, so it's not surprising if some people were offended by the premature familarity.

    It would be interesting to see results from using formal salutations (Dear Mr. Jones, or Dear Mrs. Smith) during the early stages (or perhaps duration) of the business relationship.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrainCopy
    I actually write my emails by hand, first. And then type it into the computer.
    IMHO, the message just comes out naturally. I never put the prospects name
    in the email, even when I'm writing for my clients.
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  • Profile picture of the author Viramara
    With me, it depends on the previous emails' quality I send them that affects the open rate. I've made mistake at the beginning to simply copy and paste low quality PLR articles into autoresponder and just throw that {!firstname_fix} on wherever parts that fit, and no amount of personalization can get the subscribers open the emails more.

    All my niches are non-IM. I use the {!firstname_fix} for parts of message that talks to the subscriber personally, i.e. "now, {!firstname_fix}, it's time to ask yourself : .....". But overdoing it just make yourself looks like a desperate salesman!
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Quick
    Perry,

    Two things.

    First, testing shows if you put the person's first name in the subject line, then (one) it will lower your open rate and (two) it will trigger the spam alarm because it's something the spam bots look for.

    Why? Because it isn't "normal" for people to put each other's name in the subject lines of emails they send each other. It's obvious advertising.

    Second, if you use the person's name inside the body of the email, it has been shown to increase the click-through rate on any links present in the email. As opposed to the normal and boring salutation, "Hey {!firstname_fix}," I've had success with something like this... and this is totally made up and random:

    "... But most people aren't as smart as we are, {!firstname_fix}. They're not as good-looking either, but that's besides the point."

    The only thing I don't like about "Hey {!firstname_fix}" is this:

    People in this industry are so sophisticated... they know all you did was paste that code there and send the message to thousands of people. It's just not what it used to be. But if you can plant it inside a fresh, interesting, fascinating message, you can still use it effectively.

    Have a great day!

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    • Profile picture of the author Karson
      Hey thats a great explanation just quick. I think you have a much better way of using that first name tag then just throwing it in as an introduction. I will keep it in mind when I write out some emails.
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    • Profile picture of the author DannyFikes
      Originally Posted by Justin Quick View Post

      Perry,

      Two things.

      First, testing shows if you put the person's first name in the subject line, then (one) it will lower your open rate and (two) it will trigger the spam alarm because it's something the spam bots look for.

      Why? Because it isn't "normal" for people to put each other's name in the subject lines of emails they send each other. It's obvious advertising.

      Second, if you use the person's name inside the body of the email, it has been shown to increase the click-through rate on any links present in the email. As opposed to the normal and boring salutation, "Hey {!firstname_fix}," I've had success with something like this... and this is totally made up and random:

      "... But most people aren't as smart as we are, {!firstname_fix}. They're not as good-looking either, but that's besides the point."

      The only thing I don't like about "Hey {!firstname_fix}" is this:

      People in this industry are so sophisticated... they know all you did was paste that code there and send the message to thousands of people. It's just not what it used to be. But if you can plant it inside a fresh, interesting, fascinating message, you can still use it effectively.

      Have a great day!

      Justin Quick


      This reflects what I've seen with testing:

      Don't put names in the subject line. Instead, place it throughout the body copy a couple of times. I like to use it twice. Once near the beginning to remind them that we're on a first name basis, and then once in the CTA to really grab their attention.

      I've had some trouble though with people entering some gibberish as their name into the optin form. I've seen people enter things like "asdf" and even "a**hole". No idea why, but my emails obviously aren't as effective in those cases.

      How do you guys deal with these fake names?
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      • Profile picture of the author squadron
        Originally Posted by DannyFikes View Post

        This reflects what I've seen with testing:

        How do you guys deal with these fake names?

        I either find out their real name from other sources like Facebook, Linkedin or their web site, or I replace the gibberish name with Friend, Facebook Friend, or Linkedin contact.
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  • Profile picture of the author SwedishDemocracy
    Like Justin said, work in the client's name naturally into the copy. Otherwise it's obviously a sales pitch and will be deleted.
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  • Profile picture of the author leningovea
    I prefer to ask for the name to my clients (buyers), not to my leads... And thanks Justin, that's very smart, and sounds natural
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  • Profile picture of the author crissie
    "Customers who were unfamiliar with the firm were very likely to click off or unsubscribe from emails with personalized greetings."
    This is certainly my reaction.
    I know you're all going to scream 'old world' but here in Europe it seems people prefer to be addressed by Mr/Mrs/Ms + their surname instead of 1st name. Maybe its not so much a preference, but emails are more likely to be considered more business-like if they do address them this way.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Hill
      Originally Posted by crissie View Post

      This is certainly my reaction.
      I know you're all going to scream 'old world' but here in Europe it seems people prefer to be addressed by Mr/Mrs/Ms + their surname instead of 1st name. Maybe its not so much a preference, but emails are more likely to be considered more business-like if they do address them this way.
      In addition to location-specific customs, I was wondering about age demographics too - would older people prefer a more formal approach?

      And what about income/occupation factors - would wealthy or management-level demographics prefer a more formal (arguably more respectful) approach?

      It's been my experience that those factors do matter in conversation, customer service, and everyday etiquette, at least.
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  • Profile picture of the author Davidtaylor
    I use name in the subj line and I think (just my opinion)
    that it creates a personal touch.
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  • Profile picture of the author carl preza
    The only problem with using first name is that sometimes or most of the time people will enter a different name in opting in. And that will mess up everything including the trust factor because they will know that it is all automated. For example if I enter "daddy" in opting in and you email me saying "hey daddy" that is really bad.
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