I think my sales letter is great. You?

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You probably know the above feeling. You THINK your piece is great, but you have this nagging feeling it sucks. And you've reached the point where you're going around in circles with the copy.

That's where I'm at with this. Perhaps it's time to cast the piece to the wolves! See what they think.

Warning. It's 6 pages. But only 125kb.

Any comments welcome. I'm learning. I write for a living BUT not like this.

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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Gerard,

    Good job. Refreshing to see something that's well-written for a change.

    I would replace the headline with your first bullet point. Or at least a version of it. You have
    "NEW! Instantly have your own 100% done-for-you, professional, personalized, compelling, money-making, customer-retaining Financial Service newsletter".
    Kill the cheesy "NEW" for starters. Try this -

    "How one financial newsletter rocketed a ‘complete nobody’ into a sought-after authority...and brought in an unstoppable stream of cash year after year"

    Even that can be improved but you get the idea. Then follow with some "deck" copy - that qualifies the head.

    Some other stuff needs to be rearranged as well.

    Oh yeah - a killer "p.s" wouldn't go astray either.
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  • Profile picture of the author gerardlr
    You are cool Copy Nazi. Thanks for your comments. Helpful.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by gerardlr View Post

      You are cool Copy Nazi. Thanks for your comments. Helpful.
      No worries. I could rewrite the whole thing - but this is what I do for a living.

      BTW ditch the hokey "From the desk of" - that's so 1950s.
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  • Profile picture of the author NickN
    When I saw the title of your post and that The Copy Nazi had responded, I feared you were in for one hell of a verbal smackdown.

    But your letter is...quite good.

    It looks like you could be a darn good copywriter, if you wanted to be. Ever thought about it?
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    • Profile picture of the author gerardlr
      Again, Nick you are cool.

      If I'd been bashed by the Nazi they way you have I'd have crawled into a hole and never come out. You are strong, man!

      Also love how you're seeing an opportunity and learning a new trade, that will serve you for a lifetime. Keep it up.

      Regarding being a copywriter. I'm learning. Just need to move away from any job that swaps hours on my backside for cash. And I can do without the deadlines.
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  • Profile picture of the author maximus242
    I think your headline is wordy and lacks emotional power.

    Seems like you tried to add a bunch of adjectives instead of trying to add substance. First know what you want to say, then say it.

    Adding on more words doesn't make someone a better copywriter. Good writing comes from clarity, first know what you want to say, then say it with force and clarity.
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    • Profile picture of the author gerardlr
      Originally Posted by maximus242 View Post

      I think your headline is wordy and lacks emotional power.

      Seems like you tried to add a bunch of adjectives instead of trying to add substance. First know what you want to say, then say it.

      Adding on more words doesn't make someone a better copywriter. Good writing comes from clarity, first know what you want to say, then say it with force and clarity.
      Thanks Maximus242!

      Here's the wordy version, the original:

      NEW! Instantly have your own 100% done-for-you, professional, personalized, compelling, money-making, customer-retaining Financial Service newsletter.

      And here are some other options I've come up with so far:

      How an old, forgotten marketing tool - that you already own - could instantly solve your biggest new business and customer retention headaches.

      Or ...

      The forgotten vein of gold that secretly runs through your Financial Service business ... how to re-discover it to reveal an unstoppable stream of business.

      Or ...

      One simple done-for-you marketing trick that could instantly ignite and reinvigorate your Financial Services business. Marketing Guru Seth Godin calls it a "Permission Asset." I reveal it to you here. It's low cost. And no extra work.

      +++

      Still too many words, whaddya think?

      Your harsh criticism welcomed! However it's also nice to get the odd 'good work' (when deserved)!
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  • Profile picture of the author alfid
    It appears to be well-organized. I just have one question. Is this supposed to be a sales letter or a manual? However, it appears for the most part to explain what you want to explain.
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    • Profile picture of the author gerardlr
      Originally Posted by alfid View Post

      It appears to be well-organized. I just have one question. Is this supposed to be a sales letter or a manual? However, it appears for the most part to explain what you want to explain.
      Thanks Alfid. It is a sales letter but I wanted it to give more than just a sales pitch, provide actual value too just through it's content. Of course also thereby selling my expertise and hopefully creating a base of give to get.

      Your comments much appreciated!
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  • Profile picture of the author shawnlebrun
    I completely agree with Maximus, the headline has about 4 too many adjectives than necessary, it makes it tough to read. I think it was John Carlton who said that writers who don't know what they're trying to say use adjectives as a replacement.

    When I read headlines with too many adjectives, it's like saying "the greatest, best, most awesome, incredible, super-duper, amazing product ever!

    In other words, each extra adjective reduces trust, believability, etc

    When I'm stuck coming up with headlines, I take a look at other top-notch headlines as inspiration.

    I once used "Do You Make These Mistakes in English" on a bodybuilding
    site as "Do You Make These Mistakes When Trying to Build Muscle" and it pulled very well.

    you can almost never go wrong with Rosetta Stones "The Fastest and Easiest Way to ________ Guaranteed"

    visit some of agora's financial letters for inspiration... they're you'll find the world's highest paid writers and their headlines.

    but yes, headline way too heavy on adjectives, just try and be clear and specific as to what your huge, big promise and benefit is, and write that.
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    • Profile picture of the author gerardlr
      So the big issue raised multiple times by Maximus, Copy Nazi and Shawn is - too many words - too many adjectives.

      But ... (at risk of defending bad copy! but I'm thinking aloud here and humbly ask to be allowed to reason on this with you guys please):

      Every word in this headlines does some work - it describes a facet of the product - a facet that is attractive and desireable, and also addresses key problems the target market is facing.

      Look again:

      NEW! Instantly have your own 100% done-for-you, professional, personalized, compelling, money-making, customer-retaining Financial Service newsletter.

      It's not just saying: "super, awesome, cool, amazing, brilliant ..."

      Listing features such as 'done for you' and 'compelling' is important because people know newsletters - the headline has to show that this is not any ordinary newsletter. And my feeling is that any promise must immediately be backed by a "how", otherwise I risk being unbelievable. Right?

      Is my list any different, Shawn for eg. from your sales-copy-that-sells.com home page headline where you say:

      "Attention Business Owners: My 5-Step Selling System Will Help You Attract More Customers, Make More Sales, Increase Your Profits, and Put More Cash In Your Bank Account"

      It's also a list. Yours describes benefits ... mine lists a mix of features (for reasons explained above) - "done for you, professional, personalized, etc" - and benefits - "money making, customer-retaining."

      It's amazing to be able to read your experienced opinions! Thank you.
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      • Profile picture of the author maximus242
        Originally Posted by gerardlr View Post

        So the big issue raised multiple times by Maximus, Copy Nazi and Shawn is - too many words - too many adjectives.

        But ... (at risk of defending bad copy! but I'm thinking aloud here and humbly ask to be allowed to reason on this with you guys please):

        Every word in this headlines does some work - it describes a facet of the product - a facet that is attractive and desireable, and also addresses key problems the target market is facing.

        Look again:

        NEW! Instantly have your own 100% done-for-you, professional, personalized, compelling, money-making, customer-retaining Financial Service newsletter.

        It's not just saying: "super, awesome, cool, amazing, brilliant ..."

        Listing features such as 'done for you' and 'compelling' is important because people know newsletters - the headline has to show that this is not any ordinary newsletter. And my feeling is that any promise must immediately be backed by a "how", otherwise I risk being unbelievable. Right?

        Is my list any different, Shawn for eg. from your sales-copy-that-sells.com home page headline where you say:

        "Attention Business Owners: My 5-Step Selling System Will Help You Attract More Customers, Make More Sales, Increase Your Profits, and Put More Cash In Your Bank Account"

        It's also a list. Yours describes benefits ... mine lists a mix of features (for reasons explained above) - "done for you, professional, personalized, etc" - and benefits - "money making, customer-retaining."

        It's amazing to be able to read your experienced opinions! Thank you.
        Your headline sucks, plain and simple. Dont make a big deal out of it, just write another one.

        Also dont attack the copy of people who are critiquing your work when you openly asked for critiques. Shawn didnt ask you to critique his work and its not him we are talking about, its you.

        Dont let your ego get in the way of making money. Everyone writes bad headlines, its how you deal with it that determines whether or not your a good copywriter. Ogilvy used to write over 100 bad ones before finding a good one.

        So...

        Get to work and come back with some new headlines.

        P.S. the alternates you wrote failed to get my attention and readership, needs more punch and impact. Youve got seconds to grab the reader so..

        GRAB THEM!
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        • Profile picture of the author gerardlr
          Thanks Maximus. I appreciate your honesty. But truly, with Shawn's headline, I only used it as a comparison so I could understand what he was saying better, how his/mine were different. You guys have been doing this a lot longer than me, what you've forgotten I still have to learn. Please be patient.
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  • Profile picture of the author gerardlr
    I've moved the headline discussion to a new post:

    Can't post a link, but it's titled "Rate my headlines"

    partial link URL:

    warriorforum.com/copywriting-forum/622678-rate-my-headlines-best-if-any.html#post6474857


    Gerard
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  • Profile picture of the author shawnlebrun
    hey gerardlr,

    I love the fact that you're spending so much time on the headline... because honestly,
    it's the one thing in your copy that makes the most difference. I've changed a headline on my site once that literally quadrupled my conversion rate.

    So you're VERY smart for hammering this home.... and for listening to us try to help. It shows me you're motivated and more importantly, you want to get it right.

    The main difference between the headline on my copy site your headline is mostly that mine is verbs, yours is adjectives. so I'm trying to describe end result benefits using action verbs...whereas you're using mostly adjectives to still describe that ONE newsletter.

    All those words you list, they are all still talking about that one financial newsletter. But with mine, I'm not putting adjectives in there, I'm putting in verbs and end result benefits.

    Believe me, adjectives are fine... but just don't go overboard. They're just so overworked and so "yesterday"

    Now, I am a fan of putting multiple verbs in a headline... I think Carlton said he likes to use 3 verbs in his headline... in other words... "Here's the Fastest and Easiest Way to Attract More Clients, Increase Your Profits, and Improve your Cash Flow"

    so how there are 3 actions there and NOT 3 adjectives. makes a huge difference.

    when you give a prospect 3 benefits they can do, that's powerful. but if your letter has 3 adjectives all describing the same newsletter, it just appears amateurish.

    whatever you do, gerardlr, don't confuse MORE with being better. you're always better using fewer, more specific and very clear words instead of a long headline.

    i know you want to include all your feature/benefits... and you want to showcase everything your product does... but it can go overboard very quick.

    you only need to hook them into the copy, you're not selling the entire thing with the headline alone.

    so make your headline just short, sweet, but overwhelmingly powerful with a huge benefit and promise, maybe a specific timeframe, and an emotional benefit as well.

    again, if you look at agora financial letters, you'll never, ever see headlines that use more than one or two adjectives.

    like everything else in life, sometimes LESS is more, and that's so true when it comes to trying to communicate a message to someone.

    hope his helps, but most of all, great job, gerardlr, focusing on headlines... if you keep doing that, you'll succeed a lot faster than most.
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    • Profile picture of the author gerardlr
      Brilliant advice Shawn.

      When writing headlines one minute one thinks there are NO MORE options. Another minute one has 5 more options.

      Clearly one has to keep going until there's a golden moment.

      I guess at some point testing is also not a bad idea.

      Working on some shorter headlines now.
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    first, i'm no writer... but... i looked it over and glanced at it... it was SO cluttered with crap, i couldn't even read it.

    to me, it was confusing and difficult to read.

    but hey, if you guys say the copy is good...
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    • Profile picture of the author NickN
      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      first, i'm no writer... but... i looked it over and glanced at it... it was SO cluttered with crap, i couldn't even read it.

      to me, it was confusing and difficult to read.

      but hey, if you guys say the copy is good...
      This letter is a lot better than most of the "sales copy" that gets posted here.

      There are a few tweaks the OP can make, but it's pretty good for a first try.

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  • Profile picture of the author shawnlebrun
    gerardlr,

    testing is the ONLY idea ;-)

    I'm gonna give away a little trade secret of mine.

    If I'm torn between 2 or more headlines... and i want
    to speed up my testing process because my letter hasn't gone live yet,
    what i'll do is try to fit my headline ideas into google ads...and I'll see which
    ad gets the highest click through rate.

    i learned this from reading tim ferris The 4 hour workweek where he used it to
    find the title to his book.

    well, i read that one day and thought... well heck, why can't i use that to see which
    headlines would resonate with my audience.

    it's tough, but you can usually separate and fit enough of your headline into an adwords
    ad... and just test a few and see which gets the highest clickthrough rate.

    that might be a good headline to go with... the one with the highest clickthrough rate.
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  • Profile picture of the author WinstonTian
    A really good attempt as compared to many I've
    seen lol

    Firstly I can't judge whether the copy will succeed
    unless you place it under testing conditions and
    report a split-test, but what I can first say here is
    that the whole copy doesn't seem to "string"
    together.

    You need to set a theme. A big theme which "sews"
    all of these fragments together.

    Secondly, your piece is a little disorientating
    because the rhythm is weird and "sliced off". I kind
    of think that the whole copy is composed of a few
    articles instead of one seamless copy that surges
    the reader forward with as few speed bumps as
    possible.

    For example, when you use bullets, you suddenly
    cut them off and proceed on with the text. What
    some copywriters do, like John Carlton, is do what
    I call a "seamless bullet"...

    1. The first bullet may be explosive, blind but
    obviously must carry the biggest impact, because
    that's what you want the scanners to see
    immediately...

    2. And then you nail them with a successive
    "punch" (and fling them over your shoulder in a
    continuous motion)...

    3. But the most important thing that you should
    really do...

    Is Do the Seamless Bullet!

    The seamless bullet goes something like this, but
    of course, if you look back at Carlton's pieces, he
    does illustrate several ways you can do it.

    Plus - besides the bulleting, the subheads seem to
    be like a "fence" instead of an "eyeball-grabber"
    for the scanners.

    Well, thirdly, it kind of ties in with the main theme.
    I would go for an "emotion" headline instead of a
    straight benefit, unless you're definitely sure that
    it's going to grab them in the nuts (or eyeballs)!

    Track records? Proof elements? (other than social
    proof)

    Well, it depends on your customer really. We might
    all be wrong.

    Winston Tian
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    • Profile picture of the author gerardlr
      Thanks WinstonTian. Much appreciate your comment. Will have to spend some time thinking about what you said, bit advanced for my fried brain right now.

      Regarding proof, there is the case history included. But it's a brand new service, so trying to figure a way to get first few clients.

      Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author WinstonTian
    It's not advanced really...Let's see if I can explain
    this less confusingly.

    Your subheads:
    -- missing the boat
    -- story of transformation (case)
    -- why a good newsletter matters
    -- 3 newsletter mistakes
    -- 9 newsletter benefits
    -- stimulating benefit
    -- reveal solution

    Instead of one full sales letter that is going by one
    central theme, you're making the whole sales copy
    seem like multiple themes, and that every subhead
    is one title of a different article.

    Your whole copy should really be one theme, and
    your subheads are like "amplifiers" to give the
    Readers a breather, and to yank the Scanners in.

    Doing this gives you several benefits, like...

    -- You're able to create a gradual build up, from
    qualification to empathy...And then start
    pre-selling and preparing your prospect for a
    solution through agitation...

    -- You can then start piling up value by stacking
    benefits... (and this is where desire explodes,
    following the AIDA principle)

    -- And finally, when you end with a strong "close",
    it ties back to the central theme...

    And shazam!... Your reader has gone through
    a filter qualifying him, consoling him, agitating him,
    stimulating his desire and finally making him take a
    leap of faith...

    All from one "big" theme.

    Winston Tian
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    • Profile picture of the author dotcomdude
      This is a very useful thread. I particularly appreciated Winston's comments on the subheads.

      I was about to email my artwork over to the printers (it's an offline letter selling an online service) - but when I looked at just my subhead's they weren't really connected - although they did summarize what came in the next paragraph.

      Now I've changed them - and if you just look at them in isolation - they all build upon the central theme and 'killer offer' in my letter (they're still relevant to the paragraph below). I can imagine the readers excitement building until they frantically search for the one and only way to achieve climax - the order link!

      Now if I can just get a 1% conversion rate from the letter - I'll be able to focus on more important things like who's going to captain the yacht that I'll be able to buy!

      Originally Posted by WinstonTian View Post

      Instead of one full sales letter that is going by one
      central theme, you're making the whole sales copy
      seem like multiple themes, and that every subhead
      is one title of a different article.
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  • Profile picture of the author DavidG
    You got enough info on headlines but the following bullets I personally think is where you crash...

    Get the top 2 or 3 bullets that you know your prospects find the most valuable and tie them together to make a much clearer and specific deck copy.



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  • Profile picture of the author schttrj
    Originally Posted by gerardlr View Post

    You probably know the above feeling. You THINK your piece is great, but you have this nagging feeling it sucks. And you've reached the point where you're going around in circles with the copy.

    That's where I'm at with this. Perhaps it's time to cast the piece to the wolves! See what they think.

    Warning. It's 6 pages. But only 125kb.

    Any comments welcome. I'm learning. I write for a living BUT not like this.

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    That's a seriously well-written letter. In the pre-body subhead, it would be good if you could rewrite the bullet points and ditch using the word "newsletter" so often.
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  • It's rather good.

    Are you using the system from "The Ultimate Desktop Copy Coach" by Clayton Makepeace?
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    • Profile picture of the author gerardlr
      Originally Posted by CopywritingByRazvan View Post

      It's rather good.

      Are you using the system from "The Ultimate Desktop Copy Coach" by Clayton Makepeace?

      Hi Razvan, thanks for your comment. No, I'm not using any particular guide, but will look your recommendation up.

      I have been reading John Carlton's book recently - "kick ass copywriting"?
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  • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
    To me, everything from the top of the page to the "from the desk of...":

    1. reads bad.

    2. smells like you typical marketing BS. I know im not your target audience but that whole section screams "look at how fancy my sales talk is". You don't need all that pushy crap, it turns people away.

    I think you could take all that out. Then rewrite a simple attention grabbing headline that leads into your first paragraph. Your sales letter reads like an information letter so make it appear that way. Other than that I think your sales letter is pretty good. Didn't read all of it, but you do a good job with the sub headers.
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    • Yes, take the advice that works for you.

      And...

      Definitely improve the layout because it is a bit difficult to read.


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      • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
        What's wrong with the headline and lead in?

        Lack of proof.

        The bigger, bolder claims you make the bigger the proof is needed,
        and shown right after the claim.

        That's how a better researcher beats a better writer.

        That's how Eugene Schwartz got away with what seemed outrageous
        claims.

        He always had the back up proof.

        You may have it somewhere...
        then show it.

        Best,
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  • Profile picture of the author George Lee
    Hi:
    I have a few thoughts that I would like to share with you.

    1. Have you done an in depth persona on your target customer

    2. Have you done an in depth analysis of your product (your service is a product)
    if not be sure to do these and take lots of notes. It will help with your copy.

    What is the problem that your audience is experiencing?

    Where is the emotion does this problem evoke? Have you conveyed it in your copy? I notice that you mention "nervous and edgy". What is the main emotion that your audience is feeling? Is it frustration?

    Your headline should speak to your audience about the problem, the emotion, and the solution.

    Now take the identified emotion and choose bullets that tie in to that emotion. Bullets should detail the features of your product. How do those features relieve the uncomfortable emotions or the problem that your audience is experiencing? (what is the benefit?). Here is an excerpt from my book Crank Out Copy That Sells:

    "To begin to craft your bullets write down all of the features of your product. The features of a product are the physical characteristics or what it is. To begin you want to take the list of features and rank them in order from the most important, to the least important. This might be tough to do, but it will help to remember your target audience and make your best guess as to which features are most important to them. Now take each feature and describe what it does for the reader. This is the benefit. Benefit statements should have two prongs. First you want the benefit and then you want to enhance that benefit by reminding your prospect about the pain that their problem causes. The formula
    looks something like this:

    Benefits (Emotions) + Features (Logical Justification) = Sales

    When writing bullets you must keep the problem in mind. The benefits must make a promise to the reader by solving the problem, and the features justify the purchase. You want to begin with the most important benefit of your product and then address the other benefits in order of importance." (that is why it is so important to do an analysis (on paper) of your own product).

    Brevity + Promise

    "you should try to keep your benefit statement brief. Bullets are supposed to condense the information for the reader and long bullets defeat that. Seven words is a good number. This forces you to be direct and punchy and your benefits have more impact."

    This will tie your sales letter together. Ideally, your headline combined with your bullet points flow together in a logical sequence that when read by themselves gives your reader the complete message that you wish to convey.


    Take out the bullets under the headline. You want you hook to come right after the headline. This is the opening paragraph and should instantly grab the reader and make them want to read more. An interesting and compelling fact makes a great opener as does using fear by implying that the reader is making some type of mistake.

    Remove this from the callout portion of your headline:
    "in no extra time, with no cold calls, with no advertising, with no ‘networking" this needs to either be deleted entirely or crafted into the bullets as a benefit.

    Finally, your call to action at the end needs to be more compelling and stronger. Why should they act now? If you only have 100 spots available, put it in your call to action. Tell them " Act Now! Only 100 spots available" What is your strongest pulling card? The potential price increase or the scarcity? Put your most important in the call to to action.

    These are just a few things that I saw during a quick skim on your letter. You have some great ideas and content. Just polish it and refine it some more. Hope this gets you going again.
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