How did you get your first few clients, and break into this industry. (Age old question, I know.)

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Hi,

I just a few quick questions, some of which I am sure you have gotten incredibly tired of answering on this sub-forum.

I thought I may as well ask anyway, as I really would like to know the answers.

A close of friend of mine wants to get into the world of copywriting, he has been a freelance journalist for quite some time and is growing tired of the industry.

Anyway the questions we have pondered are.

1) how did you copywriters get your first clients, I know it is an industry built on reputation, but how did you get your first without such a reputation, did you just advertise your services on forums such as this? Also how much did you charge for a medium ticket sales copy at the time?

2) Am I right in assuming that a lot of the digital product sellers in the WSO section of this forum, selling some of the better products, have enlisted the services of professional copywriters.

3) Do any of you own SEO consultancy's where you have a team of copywriters.

The questions are in order of how badly we need answers to them.

Obviously I am not expecting anyone's entire copy writing blueprint or client sourcing strategy, just a general direction and some advice on how copywriters get clients that are willing to pay for quality, not the ones that expect a cheap $200 copy.

Really looking forward to your replies


Thank you ever so much in advance.


Sonny.
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  • Profile picture of the author OutOfThisWord
    Start with small businesses in immediate area.

    They need flyers, websites, coupon copy, brochures, etc.

    And they will give anyone a shot, just because you asked them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shazadi
      Hi Sonny,

      Just like advertising any service, the best way to find clients that will pay a respectable fee is to hang out around those that already know your worth. Since your friend is a journalist he may already have some contacts he could tap into - he should ask his editors who handles the direct mail for subscriptions and guides. Honestly, I doubt they'd allow him to take on those high level jobs without previous copywriting experience, but at least he'll know who to get a hold of once he's done some more work (and if he's specifically interested in direct mail).

      Starting from ground zero, he needs to identify what industries he's interested in and go to the source. The problem with going to local businesses that might not advertise in print, use landing pages or even have a website is that you have to spend time convincing them that your service has value. It's often a waste of time and results in less than spectacular fees.

      Instead, find people that are in the biz. Internet marketers obviously love and need good copy to get their products to sell, from landing pages to auto responders. (Yes, WSO creators often use them, as do all of the biggest names out there - either writing their content personally or hiring some of the best.)

      He can go to Clickbank vendors and offer advice on how to increase their conversions. Local merchants may be advertising in the newspaper, certain magazines, etc - if a particular ad happens to suck, he can call them up and see if he can set up a meeting. If he can drive the point home regarding how his changes would make them more money, it'll be pretty hard to get a "no."

      A copywriter/marketer called Ed Gandia also came up with a "warm email prospecting" concept. Basically you take note of big business announcements - say a health supplement company just merged with another business, so they're likely overworked - and then get in touch with the decision makers (usually the marketing director, sometimes communications director) to offer help at just the right time. Again, it's finding a preexisting need and filling it rather than trying to create one.

      Getting started is a bit tough, but once he gets a good control or a nice testimonial things will progressively get easier. I've seen plenty of people get jobs without previous work (including myself when I was beginning) just by being confident and demonstrating they know how to get prospects more profits. This is all assuming, of course, that he at least has a fundamental grasp of copywriting. If not, he may be best off getting a mentor so he can develop his skills and experience before going it alone.

      Best of luck to him!
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Gould
    Originally Posted by Sonny Am View Post

    1) how did you copywriters get your first clients, I know it is an industry built on reputation, but how did you get your first without such a reputation, did you just advertise your services on forums such as this? Also how much did you charge for a medium ticket sales copy at the time?
    I responded to someone wanting a copywriter to re-write an ad. Considering the time I put in, I was paid less than your average burger flipper. But that ad got me my next client and so on...

    There's plenty of client getting information in this thread:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/copywrit...e-clients.html

    2) Am I right in assuming that a lot of the digital product sellers in the WSO section of this forum, selling some of the better products, have enlisted the services of professional copywriters.
    Yep, and plenty of people selling junk have used copywriters too.

    3) Do any of you own SEO consultancy's where you have a team of copywriters.
    I don't and wouldn't want to. Anyone here with a team of copywriters will typically be running a direct response business rather than an SEO one.
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  • Profile picture of the author videolover7
    Originally Posted by Sonny Am View Post

    Hi,

    I just a few quick questions, some of which I am sure you have gotten incredibly tired of answering on this sub-forum.

    I thought I may as well ask anyway, as I really would like to know the answers.
    Try using the Advanced Search feature. As you say, this topic has been discussed ad nauseam here.

    VL
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    I decided I wanted to do it, got some marketing material together, and kept talking to people until I got clients. That was 15 years ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author copyassassin
    Originally Posted by Sonny Am View Post

    How did you get your first few clients, and break into this industry. (Age old question, I know.
    Sonny.
    Sonny,

    So I got into the game after I got ripped off by a copywriter in 2008.

    After paying close to $15,000 in fees, his copy bombed. Really bombed.

    Now, no need for pity here. I made the mistake of hiring the guy. I made the mistake of not doing my homework. I made the mistake of falling for his presentation.

    In fact, even the $200 copywriters on this forum could of done better than him. I see what he did today and I want to cry.

    So back to the story. It's 2008. My copy is bombing. So I say what any fool would say, "I can't be this bad".

    Well, I was bad. Really bad...

    ...but I was better than the $15K a-hole. I got the numbers to prove it.

    And since most of my buddies are small business owners they heard over the months how I got better at this "marketing" thing (CPAs are lame marketers, BTW).

    And then it happened...

    ...one day I offered to buy the drinks.

    Now, if you know me, I rarely buy my friends drinks. Cigars, yes. Books, yes. Food, yes. Drinks, no. (Maybe another time I might tell you why).

    Anyway, this day I was in such a good mood I bought the guys drinks. We got really f-ed up. I had to call the cab because even I'm not that stupid.

    As we're doing shots, a friend of mine asked, "What the hell happened you cheap F***. You never buy drinks."

    And that's when I said I was profitable on the front end of a product of mine. Which is a big deal because I usually make it on the backend.

    My drunk friend say, "What the "F"? Lets see what you can do for me."

    The next day as my hangover was peaking I called my buddy and asked, "Dude, I know we were f-ed up last night, but were you serious about giving me a shot?"

    And he replied, "Sure. And if you F*** it up, you're buying again!".

    And that's the story.

    ps. he's been buying the drinks ever since!
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  • Profile picture of the author rjweaver10
    I don't personally think this question can be asked too many times. If people do not take the time to answer, then they are biting the very hand that feeds them. Many of us learned from someone else, and now I almost think it's the right thing to do to pass on to others what you have learned.

    I do agree with one of the above posters that it's who you hang out with. Some of my best clients come from people who do exactly what I do. I think just submersing yourself in the culture and going in headfirst will help your business.
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