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Best Place to seek High Caliber Copywriting jobs?

by MarketingVet09
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Hi,

I was wondering if anyone could suggest a place or the best method to seek out clients who are willing to actually spend what it's worth for a truly great copy?

Odesk / Elance mostly have bargain seekers... And honestly same goes for Warrior Forum services section..

Does anyone have a good suggestion?

Thanks will be given for helpful info.
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  • Profile picture of the author colmodwyer
    E-mail publishers like Agora, Boardroom, Rodale, Weiss, Independent Living, True Health, Healthy Directions, Soundview, Newsmax, Nightingale- Conant etc.

    I think the majority will pay fairly decent, and at least a few could pay tens of thousands of dollars for a single package.

    Only catch is, you do actually have to be able to write truly great copy.

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    • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
      Originally Posted by colmodwyer View Post

      E-mail publishers like Agora, Boardroom, Rodale, Weiss, Independent Living, True Health, Healthy Directions, Soundview, Newsmax, Nightingale- Conant etc.

      I think the majority will pay fairly decent, and at least a few could pay tens of thousands of dollars for a single package.

      Only catch is, you do actually have to be able to write truly great copy.

      Colm
      That's a pretty big catch huh? Yea that's subjective, and we'll leave it at that.

      I was actually referring to people needing autoresponders, sales pages, squeeze pages etc... Not opposed to other types of writing, but not really excited about going door to door either.


      I guess I just thought there might be a place where people wont look at you like you have 3 heads because you want to charge $200 per 500 words for a piece of copy. (which really, is nothing, compared to the return that one gets on great copy).
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      • Profile picture of the author colmodwyer
        Originally Posted by MarketingVet09 View Post

        That's a pretty big catch huh? Yea that's subjective, and we'll leave it at that.
        Well you're not going to get paid "truly great" rates if you can't write "truly great" copy.

        There's nout subjective about it either. These publishers pay you based on how good your copy is (i.e. how much money it makes).

        Why do you think 500 words of your copy is worth $200?

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        • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
          Originally Posted by colmodwyer View Post

          Well you're not going to get paid "truly great" rates if you can't write "truly great" copy.

          There's nout subjective about it either. These publishers pay you based on how good your copy is (i.e. how much money it makes).

          Why do you think 500 words of your copy is worth $200?

          Colm
          One question, Colm - when do you ever get the time to write copy?

          Every time I see you, you've got a glass in your hand.
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      • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
        Originally Posted by MarketingVet09 View Post

        I was actually referring to people needing autoresponders, sales pages, squeeze pages etc... Not opposed to other types of writing, but not really excited about going door to door either.


        I guess I just thought there might be a place where people wont look at you like you have 3 heads because you want to charge $200 per 500 words for a piece of copy. (which really, is nothing, compared to the return that one gets on great copy).

        You need to turn the question around a little.

        Think first of the value you can provide with your skills.

        And there are plenty of businesses who'll pay $1,000 to $2,000 plus for
        a few pages of copy...as long as you put it online for them in the form
        of a website and do it in a way that brings them in real sales and
        profits.

        If you want to make $200 for 500 words of copy (way too low a fee in
        my opinion) then all you really need to do is make sure that any business
        you do the copy for will make $400+ profit from that copy.


        If you're doing email autoresponders the potential for business profit
        is HUGE because most businesses have no follow up at all with the
        customers and prospects already walking into their premises.

        A QR code with an enticing offer, an email autoresponder series and
        a regular brick and mortar business can be making some serious
        money every time you send an email out for them.

        Go beyond just writing copy and get into supplying full solutions for
        businesses and making good money will be a whole lot easier for
        you.

        Kindest regards,
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        • Profile picture of the author hhhusted
          Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post

          You need to turn the question around a little.

          Think first of the value you can provide with your skills.

          And there are plenty of businesses who'll pay $1,000 to $2,000 plus for
          a few pages of copy...as long as you put it online for them in the form
          of a website and do it in a way that brings them in real sales and
          profits.

          If you want to make $200 for 500 words of copy (way too low a fee in
          my opinion) then all you really need to do is make sure that any business
          you do the copy for will make $400+ profit from that copy.


          If you're doing email autoresponders the potential for business profit
          is HUGE because most businesses have no follow up at all with the
          customers and prospects already walking into their premises.

          A QR code with an enticing offer, an email autoresponder series and
          a regular brick and mortar business can be making some serious
          money every time you send an email out for them.

          Go beyond just writing copy and get into supplying full solutions for
          businesses and making good money will be a whole lot easier for
          you.

          Kindest regards,
          Andrew Cavanagh
          I like what you said regarding offering full solutions for businesses. When you can be the one-step service provider for a company, you will end up getting more business than you thought possible.

          Good point.
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  • Profile picture of the author RecoveringTeacher
    Some of this list will be a repeat of what Colm's already posted. I copied this from another post here about companies who've attended AWAI's bootcamp for copywriters.


    AcuHub
    Agora Financial
    Al Sears, MD
    AWAI
    Best Life Herbals
    Boardroom, Inc.
    CAH, Inc.
    Call Loop
    Contour Beds
    Don for You Solutions
    Full Potential Healthcare
    Glazier-Kennedy
    Golf Institute
    Healthy Wealthy Wise
    Home Positions
    ICreatives: staffing agency
    Idea Incubator
    Institute for Individual Investors
    Inversor Global
    International Living
    James Direct, Inc.
    KJM Publications- does not seem to have company site; owner has LI profile
    League of Power
    Leeb Group
    LPG Gem LTD
    Market Authority
    Meritas
    Money Map Press
    Money Week
    Natural Health Dossier
    Nightingale Conant
    Opportunity Travel
    Parker Marketing
    Premier Direct
    Premier Quality Systems
    Stansberry & Associates Investment Research
    Step Into the Spotlight
    Strategic Profits
    The Palm Beach Letter
    The Sovereign Society
    The Oxford Club
    AWAI’s Travel Writing Division
    Wealthy Web Writer
    Weiss Inc.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
      Originally Posted by RecoveringTeacher View Post

      Some of this list will be a repeat of what Colm's already posted. I copied this from another post here about companies who've attended AWAI's bootcamp for copywriters.


      AcuHub
      Agora Financial
      Al Sears, MD
      AWAI
      Best Life Herbals
      Boardroom, Inc.
      CAH, Inc.
      Call Loop
      Contour Beds
      Don for You Solutions
      Full Potential Healthcare
      Glazier-Kennedy
      Golf Institute
      Healthy Wealthy Wise
      Home Positions
      ICreatives: staffing agency
      Idea Incubator
      Institute for Individual Investors
      Inversor Global
      International Living
      James Direct, Inc.
      KJM Publications- does not seem to have company site; owner has LI profile
      League of Power
      Leeb Group
      LPG Gem LTD
      Market Authority
      Meritas
      Money Map Press
      Money Week
      Natural Health Dossier
      Nightingale Conant
      Opportunity Travel
      Parker Marketing
      Premier Direct
      Premier Quality Systems
      Stansberry & Associates Investment Research
      Step Into the Spotlight
      Strategic Profits
      The Palm Beach Letter
      The Sovereign Society
      The Oxford Club
      AWAI's Travel Writing Division
      Wealthy Web Writer
      Weiss Inc.

      Hey thanks...

      Do you mind telling me, exactly what these companies are?


      Are they copywriting companies? Magazines for me to write for? What type of companies are these exactly? Is it something where I would join their team and work for them long term, or are these companies that you think need copy written for them constantly?
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      • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
        Originally Posted by MarketingVet09 View Post

        Hey thanks...

        Do you mind telling me, exactly what these companies are?


        Are they copywriting companies? Magazines for me to write for? What type of companies are these exactly? Is it something where I would join their team and work for them long term, or are these companies that you think need copy written for them constantly?
        You mention in a later post that people are being vague with you, but don't take the time to Google one or two of these companies? Come on, man. You've been handed a bunch of great answers on a silver platter.

        Here are just a few I've gleaned from SCANNING the answers:
        1) Keep it classy here on the forum, as there are jobs to be had.
        2) Attend high caliber networking events and seminars, as there are jobs to be had.
        3) Keep honing your craft, because eventually you will attract people to you instead of chasing them.

        There's no magic high caliber client forum where you can go bid for jobs like you can on Elance. You find them by putting yourself out there and constantly working to make yourself better. I've landed clients in the most random situations you can imagine, so there's no cookie cutter formula to this. I'd recommend you try some of these suggestions - give it your all and see how they work, and then tell me just how vague they are.
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        • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
          Meetup groups for internet marketers has been good for me.

          You may find one in your local area.

          I don't go there to sell anything as I had been out of the game for a while.

          But I got a reputation for giving out the most unbiased helpful tips
          for newer ones looking for help.

          They come back and tell others that I really know what I'm talking about.

          Last meeting was a guy running a network of sites with 30 million visitors per month.
          He was looking for a person who can squeeze more money out of that traffic.

          Anyway, I'm working out of his office now.

          So Google Meetup for your local area and then within it search for internet marketing.

          Best,
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        • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
          Originally Posted by angiecolee View Post

          You mention in a later post that people are being vague with you, but don't take the time to Google one or two of these companies? Come on, man. You've been handed a bunch of great answers on a silver platter.

          Here are just a few I've gleaned from SCANNING the answers:
          1) Keep it classy here on the forum, as there are jobs to be had.
          2) Attend high caliber networking events and seminars, as there are jobs to be had.
          3) Keep honing your craft, because eventually you will attract people to you instead of chasing them.

          There's no magic high caliber client forum where you can go bid for jobs like you can on Elance. You find them by putting yourself out there and constantly working to make yourself better. I've landed clients in the most random situations you can imagine, so there's no cookie cutter formula to this. I'd recommend you try some of these suggestions - give it your all and see how they work, and then tell me just how vague they are.


          Stick around. Give value. Don't get into dumb slanging matches. And clients who are "lurking" will be quick to PM you.

          Point taken Ross! :tu
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          • Profile picture of the author underworld90
            Networking in the real world is where I have found the most valuable opportunities. Some of the advice mentioned already in this thread has worked for me, like projecting your confidence, sharing the success stories of past clients and how your work has netted them multiple times ROI.

            I've also found that being good can work against you. I once heard from a client that he was "keeping me a secret just for him" and not telling others about my copywriting and marketing abilities. I felt a flash of anger inside, but I kept my head cool and asked him why. He said that he didn't want anyone "stealing" me away from him, to which I replied, "If you give me enough work each month, that won't happen."

            Needless to say, that particular client wasn't giving me oodles of work. I eventually replaced him with several others that did.
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            • Profile picture of the author StefanPaulGeorgi
              I know this is a fairly old thread, but I wanted to post one little addition to the convo...I've had some fairly good success landing 5 figure clients on Elance, and I've done it by positioning myself way above the others...

              If the average bid on Elance is $500 for a sales letter, and you come in at $1,200...you're going to get noticed. Then, it's just a matter of how good your "pitch" is, and how well you can differentiate yourself from the competition...

              I'm fairly new to copywriting, but I've written enough letters with high conversion rates to usually distinguish myself on Elance. And if you have a decent track record, and you're a solid writer, you can probably do the same...
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              • Profile picture of the author RecoveringTeacher
                Originally Posted by StefanPaulGeorgi View Post

                I know this is a fairly old thread, but I wanted to post one little addition to the convo...I've had some fairly good success landing 5 figure clients on Elance, and I've done it by positioning myself way above the others...

                If the average bid on Elance is $500 for a sales letter, and you come in at $1,200...you're going to get noticed. Then, it's just a matter of how good your "pitch" is, and how well you can differentiate yourself from the competition...

                I'm fairly new to copywriting, but I've written enough letters with high conversion rates to usually distinguish myself on Elance. And if you have a decent track record, and you're a solid writer, you can probably do the same...
                Interesting! I have been banging my head against the wall with Elance lately because so many jobs seems to be along the lines of "I will pay you $3 per 500 word article." And when I read all the caveats it turns out I'm not even QUALIFIED for the job. It's gotten me quite depressed and I quit my full-time teaching job so I don't really have the luxury to be picky. But good for you- especially since Elance tends to be lowball U.S.A.
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                Originally Posted by StefanPaulGeorgi View Post

                I know this is a fairly old thread, but I wanted to post one little addition to the convo...I've had some fairly good success landing 5 figure clients on Elance, and I've done it by positioning myself way above the others...

                If the average bid on Elance is $500 for a sales letter, and you come in at $1,200...you're going to get noticed. Then, it's just a matter of how good your "pitch" is, and how well you can differentiate yourself from the competition...

                I'm fairly new to copywriting, but I've written enough letters with high conversion rates to usually distinguish myself on Elance. And if you have a decent track record, and you're a solid writer, you can probably do the same...
                I'm going to second this.

                I just started using Elance recently with the intent to get a few small side jobs.

                But someone posted a mid-five-figure copywriting job on there, so I "applied" for it.

                Here's the thing -- I had ONE job on Elance at that point.

                But out of 30 or so proposals -- some by copywriters who've made tons of money on the site -- the guy picked me.

                He picked me because I wrote a killer proposal, and I had some relevant samples outside of Elance.

                So if you're a newer copywriter with a few samples under your belt, you CAN make good money on Elance and oDesk.

                Big jobs do come along from time to time on those sites. And when they do, write an awesome proposal that gets you noticed, telling the person why you're a good fit for him or her.

                Seriously -- telling people how THEY'LL benefit from your services goes a long way.
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    • Profile picture of the author hhhusted
      Originally Posted by RecoveringTeacher View Post

      Some of this list will be a repeat of what Colm's already posted. I copied this from another post here about companies who've attended AWAI's bootcamp for copywriters.

      --cut--
      Thanks for this list. It really will be helpful to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author shawnlebrun
    If you can afford it, go to some of the top internet marketing seminars... there you'll at least meet business owners, marketers, and entrepreneurs who need copy.

    If they're at these seminars, they are probably knowledgeable about good copy and will pay you what you're worth.

    If you've been online for any length of time, you'll see the big seminars mentioned over and over again... even the Affiliate Summit seminars are a good place to network.

    From what I've heard from fellow copywriters over the last 12 years... most say that networking at seminars has been the single best source of high quality copy leads they've found.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross Bowring
    I've found the Warrior Forum to be a surprisingly good source of five-figure gigs.

    Stick around. Give value. Don't get into dumb slanging matches. And clients who are "lurking" will be quick to PM you.

    --- Ross
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    • Profile picture of the author Jomuli3
      I have not utilized this forum to get copywriting gigs. But I have seen many copywriters making useful contributions on this forum. I believe, like vultures, they fly around this zone because there is meat on this forum.

      Spending some reasonable time to craft useful posts/threads will prove fruitful one day.

      As you have noted Elance and Odesk offer good job opportunities. There is, however, stiff competition there.

      There is good business strategy. Make people come to you scrambling for your service. It is better than chasing prospects around to offer you jobs.

      Lay your fish traps. Go home. Play some country music. Sip some mug of hot coffee. Go to your fish traps the following day. Collect your catch and lay your traps again. Chasing a fish, even in shallow waters, could leave you exhausted.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
      Originally Posted by Ross Bowring View Post

      I've found the Warrior Forum to be a surprisingly good source of five-figure gigs.

      Stick around. Give value. Don't get into dumb slanging matches. And clients who are "lurking" will be quick to PM you.

      --- Ross

      While I really appreciate everyone responding... Things are still a bit vague as is... Ross, do you suggest posting threads with tips here in the copywriting forum? Or simply replying with quality posts?

      With that said, it's not lost of me that contributing to a forum can reap big benefits one day... As you can work your way up to moderator or just a highly respect member etc..

      I however, am looking for gigs now. Copywriting isn't my only foray in life, so for me personally, this wouldn't be a very viable option. But I appreciate the suggestion none the less.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ross Bowring
        Originally Posted by MarketingVet09 View Post

        While I really appreciate everyone responding... Things are still a bit vague as is... Ross, do you suggest posting threads with tips here in the copywriting forum? Or simply replying with quality posts?
        Yeah... I'm talking about things like that.

        But it's not just about dropping "tips" or even making quality thread-opening posts.

        It's carrying yourself in a way that attracts clients to you without you having to chase after them.

        It's knowing that you are always "on show" on a public forum and that the true audience for your posts are clients eyeing you up, not copywriters locking horns.

        It's being helpful to newer copywriters because you would have appreciated the same help as you were starting out.

        It's taking weeks to write meaty reports and then giving them away for nothing to establish authority.

        It's taking the long-view about building a "good name."

        --- Ross
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      Originally Posted by Ross Bowring View Post

      I've found the Warrior Forum to be a surprisingly good source of five-figure gigs.

      Stick around. Give value. Don't get into dumb slanging matches. And clients who are "lurking" will be quick to PM you.

      --- Ross
      I've had a similar experience on the forum, but the five-figure
      gigs do not come from Warriors who post regularly, but just
      mainly guest who were introduced to me on the forum.

      The 'normal' Warrior is always looking for a deal and don't/can't
      pay my usual fees.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
    Create a website.

    Develop your own brand.

    Speak ONLY to your audience.

    Demonstrate your authority.

    Give ridiculous value - for free.

    Spread your passion (like here on the WF.)

    Use different forms of media to drive traffic.

    Use P.P.C. (but think WAY outside of the box - e.g. you're not going after too many keywords that have "copywriter" or "copywriting" in them.)

    Only accept clients you KNOW you can HELP.

    Keep putting yourself out there.

    Be real; be who you are.

    The rest just kinda happens.

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    • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
      Originally Posted by Mark Pescetti View Post

      Create a website.

      Develop your own brand.

      Speak ONLY to your audience.

      Demonstrate your authority.

      Give ridiculous value - for free.

      Spread your passion (like here on the WF.)

      Use different forms of media to drive traffic.

      Use P.P.C. (but think WAY outside of the box - e.g. you're not going after too many keywords that have "copywriter" or "copywriting" in them.)

      Only accept clients you KNOW you can HELP.

      Keep putting yourself out there.

      Be real; be who you are.

      The rest just kinda happens.

      Mark Pescetti
      Do you have a plan that's a little easier, Mark? Like how do I implement "The rest just kinda happens." all by itself?
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    • Profile picture of the author BrandonLee
      I don't think the website is too important.

      Don't offer your stuff on e-Lance. You will become known as an E-Lance copywriter - which means cheap. Don't ever compete on price.

      It is important to have your brand, and for people in your circle to know who you are and what you are capable of.

      I've never really had a site up to sell my copy and launch services,but I don't think it's hurt me. I still have clients willing to part with mid five to low six figures to work with me. I suppose if it has negatively effected me I wouldn't know, but I'm pretty sure I have more going on compared to 90% of the people out there.

      Go go events. Meet people in your market. Talk to people in your market. Always put out excellent work. Be your own worst critic - never believe people when they tell you how wonderful you are, you can always improve.

      The last bits are the most important.




      Originally Posted by Mark Pescetti View Post

      Create a website.

      Develop your own brand.

      Speak ONLY to your audience.

      Demonstrate your authority.

      Give ridiculous value - for free.

      Spread your passion (like here on the WF.)

      Use different forms of media to drive traffic.

      Use P.P.C. (but think WAY outside of the box - e.g. you're not going after too many keywords that have "copywriter" or "copywriting" in them.)

      Only accept clients you KNOW you can HELP.

      Keep putting yourself out there.

      Be real; be who you are.

      The rest just kinda happens.

      Mark Pescetti
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  • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
    Originally Posted by Ross Bowring View Post

    I've found the Warrior Forum to be a surprisingly good source of five-figure gigs.

    Stick around. Give value. Don't get into dumb slanging matches. And clients who are "lurking" will be quick to PM you.

    --- Ross
    I think Ross has made a good point.

    I've had people sending me emails out of the blue, or even calling me on skype offering me jobs. And I had no idea where they got my details.

    It turns out that they just saw my name - along with my posts - somewhere. Sometimes it may have been a comment on some other blog.

    Once I even had a jeweller contact me from New York in the middle of the night (UK time) asking for copy.

    I've had contacts from South Africa, Brazil, China, US and the UK... and all because of - I guess - my posts on forums and blogs.

    It must be because of these reasons. I don't really have a sales page to speak of.

    Ross also made another very good point - one that really gets on my wick - and it's this one:

    It's being helpful to newer copywriters because you would have appreciated the same help as you were starting out.
    There's too many divas on here rushing to quell any or all enthusiasm from people trying to get into copywriting.

    The worst part is, it's usually the ones who really need to work on their own copywriting rather than criticise others.

    The good ones - I mean the genuinely goods one - are always helping people out. That's probably why they're getting the good jobs, I suppose.

    Before criticising others remember one thing - you were once a beginner, too.
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  • Profile picture of the author CharismaticMannequin
    Easily one of the best threads made recently. im not going to pretend to be some kind of super-copywriter, but wow - the value in this thread is golden.

    especially the part about not getting into arguments on here - it shows your character and you've got to consider one thing...What do you think your potential clients are thinking about how easy you are to work with, when they see you fighting others?

    Remember, this is still a business. Act professionally. People want to work with mature and effective copywriters, not boys wearing their dad's clothes and throwing tantrums.

    Anyway, I'd just like to say thanks for the responses on here! In truth, the copywriters who have posted here are those I respect most, and will attempt to emulate!

    Thanks again!


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  • Profile picture of the author npk
    excellent thread. attempting to jam my foot through that door (more like nicholson on "the shining" at the end, damnit), but i never would have thought elance would be worth much. i've had good success posting on CL for different cities around the country. however, putting yourself out there is truly the best way, imo.
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    write great copy that makes your clients money.

    people will find you.

    most writers are too focused on $$ and their copy blows.
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