what are the two common hurdles a newbie copywriter undergoes ?

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Like the title says lets find out the two common problems faced day to day a newbie copywriter has to go through : Here's mine :

When I started out my main problem was -
"Information overload and could not decide on whom to trust and whom to not "

My second problem -
" While I was learning a lot from guides I couldn't go out there and practically apply them . This might have been due to clarity of concepts or just another symptom of information overload and bad advices "

let us know what your current problem is and we all can try to post a solution for the same . If you already have good solutions please post what problem you were undergoing and how you got out of it.

Many a times I hear people saying " I lose focus , I cannot concentrate , etc "
Lets take aim and eliminate any problems you are undergoing one at a time .

regards.
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  • Profile picture of the author cwill184
    Seomaster, I definitley had the information overload. It is difficult knowing which information to implement and what to ignore. I think it is a phase that you must go through, starting out. Eventually through trial and error you find out what is useful and what isn't. I think it just takes time.

    I think confidence is a big problem with newbies, myself included possibly thinking they won't make the grade against seasoned professionals. I think getting a few 'wins' or 'successes' under the belt help.
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    • Profile picture of the author -seomaster-
      Originally Posted by cwill184 View Post

      Seomaster, I definitley had the information overload. It is difficult knowing which information to implement and what to ignore. I think it is a phase that you must go through, starting out. Eventually through trial and error you find out what is useful and what isn't. I think it just takes time.

      I think confidence is a big problem with newbies, myself included possibly thinking they won't make the grade against seasoned professionals. I think getting a few 'wins' or 'successes' under the belt help.
      Yes very true . That first copy which becomes successful helps you out in the long run . But until then you have to keep on absorbing what other people are doing and experimenting on what works for you via constantly tweaking your pitch.
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  • Profile picture of the author DavidG
    Im the ADD type of person so you can bet that it's tough for me to focus on a project or even continue something the day after...

    So what I started doing and have been doing for the past 3ish years is set a timer for 45 minutes.

    I put absolute focus for 45 minutes and then go hyperactive for the last 15 minutes. Whenever I get on a tangent during the 45 minutes I try real hard to catch myself and when I do - I write whatever is making me lose focus on a post it note get back on track, and afterwards I "satisfy" myself by finishing the thought. Usually finding out something that I'm curious about.

    Doing this has really helped me be able to sit down and literally dive into whatever I'm working on - which has improved my productivity 10 fold. Sometimes I look back at how I used to be and giggle like a little girl at how much work I thought I was getting done (hehehehe).

    Now that I'm much better at this when I'm working, what I do instead of "satisfying" my curiousty - is take a break and walk around the block for 15 minutes. I won't even get into how my "creativity" has been enhanced. Your subsonscious feeds you with ideas when your not on facebook or twitter...it's really something I think every copywriter, or just about anyone should do to have clarity and show the best in themselves...

    Another beauty about this is that you can log in how many "sets" you have done throughout the day and judge whether or not you were productive.

    Hope this helps.

    ps - this does not have to be 45 minutes... you can start at 30 minutes with a 5 minute break.
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    • Profile picture of the author -seomaster-
      Originally Posted by DavidG View Post

      Im the ADD type of person so you can bet that it's tough for me to focus on a project or even continue something the day after...

      So what I started doing and have been doing for the past 3ish years is set a timer for 45 minutes.

      I put absolute focus for 45 minutes and then go hyperactive for the last 15 minutes. Whenever I get on a tangent during the 45 minutes I try real hard to catch myself and when I do - I write whatever is making me lose focus on a post it note get back on track, and afterwards I "satisfy" myself by finishing the thought. Usually finding out something that I'm curious about.

      Doing this has really helped me be able to sit down and literally dive into whatever I'm working on - which has improved my productivity 10 fold. Sometimes I look back at how I used to be and giggle like a little girl at how much work I thought I was getting done (hehehehe).

      Now that I'm much better at this when I'm working, what I do instead of "satisfying" my curiousty - is take a break and walk around the block for 15 minutes. I won't even get into how my "creativity" has been enhanced. Your subsonscious feeds you with ideas when your not on facebook or twitter...it's really something I think every copywriter, or just about anyone should do to have clarity and show the best in themselves...

      Another beauty about this is that you can log in how many "sets" you have done throughout the day and judge whether or not you were productive.

      Hope this helps.

      ps - this does not have to be 45 minutes... you can start at 30 minutes with a 5 minute break.
      I could really learn a thing or two from this. I have tried limiting myself to 60 minutes but it never works out for me. Either the pitch sucks or i cannot concentrate anymore during the last few minutes. That is why I started writing at my own pace .sometimes a change of environment and place helps a lot too.
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  • Profile picture of the author copyassassin
    Originally Posted by -seomaster- View Post


    My second problem -
    " While I was learning a lot from guides I couldn't go out there and practically apply them . This might have been due to clarity of concepts or just another symptom of information overload and bad advices "

    Seomaster,

    Most copywriters, myself included, have issues with "writers block".

    Legendary Copywriter, John Carlton, wrote a killer blog post that every writer should read if they are having writers block.

    And if you've already this post, it's worth reading again.

    Writer's block is… | The RANT

    What do you think?
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    • Profile picture of the author -seomaster-
      Originally Posted by copyassassin View Post

      Seomaster,

      Most copywriters, myself included, have issues with "writers block".

      Legendary Copywriter, John Carlton, wrote a killer blog post that every writer should read if they are having writers block.

      And if you've already this post, it's worth reading again.

      Writer's block is... | The RANT

      What do you think?
      That was really helpful copyassassin . I am looking more into his blog now . Thanks for the reference
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
      Originally Posted by copyassassin View Post

      Seomaster,

      Most copywriters, myself included, have issues with "writers block".

      Legendary Copywriter, John Carlton, wrote a killer blog post that every writer should read if they are having writers block.

      And if you've already this post, it's worth reading again.

      Writer's block is... | The RANT

      What do you think?
      Hey Adam!

      I read the blog you linked.

      I really liked it.

      And I really didn't.

      I wholeheartedly disagree with John's assessment about inspiration.

      What he communicates IS all about inspiration on SO MANY LEVELS.

      When you dive into researching, interviewing your client, understanding the marketplace, assessing what works and what doesn't, becoming clear about what emotions you're targeting...

      ...and marinate (i.e. allow the full spectrum of what you've immersed yourself into the time to fully absorb,) until the you start writing utter frickin' genius copy is the process of ALLOWING inspiration to come through you.

      I compare it to the idea/ideal of channeling.

      It's NOT necessarily information you KNOW.

      But as you dive into the emotions you perceive an audience is feeling and holographically put yourself in their shoes...

      ...the ideas simmer - then come to a boil.

      And that's when you can't get to the computer fast enough to LET everything pour out of you.

      That is inspiration.

      Just imagine a cartoon when the light bulb dings over a characters head.

      "I GOT IT!"

      And when John talks about diving into the researching process, then walking away to allow the information to fully seep into your own unique organization methods...

      ...I call that the art of letting the magic happen.

      Which is a HUGE part of being a successful, productive, HAPPY writer.

      Just my take.

      Mark Pescetti

      P.S. I remember when I was a little boy aspiring to be a writer...

      ...I would wonder what the formula was to snap my fingers and develop into the person I imagined becoming.

      My mom was friends with a Hollywood producer who would come over to the house quite often. He was a successful writer in his own right, penning a few sitcoms. He said the best advice he could provide was to just keep writing. "Writer's write." he said. John mirrored that advice.

      It reminds me of Rocky Balboa when little Marie said to Rocky (as he was questioning why, as an old man, he still felt the urge to compete,) "fighter's fight."

      And it's true.

      That's the single biggest hurdle aspiring writer's, of any style, need to absorb.

      You just need to write, write and write - and see reality through the lens of a writer.

      Once you achieve that...

      The bigger problem will be making time for simple things, like getting up to drink a glass of water.
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  • Profile picture of the author fated82
    For me, the common hurdles is getting people to trust me and do business with me. On one hand, we are paid because we are able to help our clients sell more. In other words, they are paying for results. On the other hand, we can't guarantee them any results. And because we can't provide a guarantee, it is hard to convince people to do business with you, especially when you are just starting out.

    Another problem I have is that we are more than a copywriter. I realize that instead of understanding the craft of selling on print, we ought to know which type of websites will pull in which types of audience, or which magazine to place the ads on. Sometimes, I think we are more like an advertising agency than a copywriting firm.
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  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    In my travels, one hurdle dwarfs them all: Lack of confidence.

    Stated differently: Fear.

    Now that I've said it, what's the antidote?

    Learning how to "shake things off" QUICKLY when when you write a dud, get rejected or whatever else that gets in the way of you getting your head back in the game.

    - Rick Duris
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      On the other side of the coin from Rick Duris' answer though not entirely in disagreement with it... (far from it)

      What are the two common hurdles a newbie copywriter undergoes ?
      Over-confidence and ignorance.

      Explain?

      Ignorance of the copywriting market.

      Ignorance of exactly what copywriting entails.

      Ignorance of the psychology used.

      Ignorance of the sales persuasion tactics employed and when and how to deploy them within the body of the sales copy in question.

      Ignorance of the fact that most every experienced copywriter worth their salt has some kind of a personal 'system' ticking away inside their mind how to bring all of the various elements together into a cohesive working platform to shift more product depending on niche / platform.

      Ignorance of the fact how long it actually takes to learn all there is to know about copywriting.

      Over-confidence is clearly on display when patently obvious copywriting newbies start spouting BS like you don't need to know how to do this, how to do that, how to understand why this or that written tactic or strategy works or not as the case applies, worse...

      ...they don't even understand the answers given to sort out their own pain for in denial of the ignorance or pain they're actually in, they know not how to even ask themselves the right questions to begin with and thus step over to making the common mistake to make themselves appear on the surface to be more intelligent than they are whilst their written language belies the ignorance and over-confidence ticking away immediately below the surface.

      When they recognize this little fact in themselves, they might actually start listening more to those guys who have trod the well worn path before them.

      As the good book in essence says...

      'There's a time to talk and a time to be quiet.

      There's a time to listen and a time to speak.

      There's a time to learn and a time to teach.'


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  • Profile picture of the author Jomuli3
    One sure hurdle a newbie copywriter faces is getting clients.

    It is like a young lion learning how to hunt. It is fed by the mother first. It is then allowed to go out hunting under the guidance of the mother. A newbie copywriter has to learn how to sink those claws deep into the throat of the animal. It should smell the blood and taste it own catch.

    To be a successful copywriter a mentor is required.

    Another problem is confidence as has been cited above.
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