Could I Get Some Critique On New Page

by bsbear
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Hey guys, could you do me a huge favor and rate my sales copy. The link is in my signature.

I am not trying to market my services, please don't take it that way, but a lot of the text/copy is actually in pictures which would make moving it all into this thread a problem.

But yeah, I'd really appreciate it if you could give me some tips on improving the compelling part of the copywriting to effectively get my points across more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Gould
    A few, very quick thoughts:

    Your headline and video are generic, heard-it-all-before stuff (and your video makes a CTA that seems to have nothing to do with the rest of your pitch). And either do something with the bear or shoot it.

    Who's your target client?

    Cut your line length down.

    The subhead under the video is better than the main headline but you don't expand on it enough.

    The writing could be tightened up and the flow needs improving (I find the easiest way to do this is to read the copy out loud, it helps make problems more apparent).

    Don't tell me about your corporate clients, show me (same for your 200% claim). Or at least tell me why you can't show me.

    You're using terms like "Tier 2 Scrapebox Blast" will any of your clients know what that means? Focus on the benefits as well as the features.

    There's no congruence to your design, it looks just like a load of random WSO graphics.

    If you can get over $5,000 for this service why are you selling it at this price?

    Your offer wants looking at, there's nothing there to convince me to take anything but the cheapest option. And you don't make it clear that it's a continuity deal.

    If you only take so many new clients a month be more specific - how many places have you got left? How soon do you usually sell out? How many people will be seeing the sales page? Etc.

    Hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
    Originally Posted by bsbear View Post

    Hey guys, could you do me a huge favor and rate my sales copy. The link is in my signature.

    I am not trying to market my services, please don't take it that way, but a lot of the text/copy is actually in pictures which would make moving it all into this thread a problem.

    But yeah, I'd really appreciate it if you could give me some tips on improving the compelling part of the copywriting to effectively get my points across more.
    You are in the commodity game.

    Get out.

    Here's how you do it.

    Never use the term SEO and don't list what you do
    in which people can price compare.

    Get some authority by having a press release made up
    and have it distributed to top news outlets.

    Once done, grab their logos and put them in a dominate position
    and above them write this "Featured in these top news outlets..."

    Give new names to your processes which are proprietary.

    Give the reason why the smaller price is because less competitive
    markets don't require as heavy artillery you've used in prior tough situations.

    This sets you up for framing your work as being easy-peasy to
    take the buying traffic and hand grenades are all you need,
    not a jet bomber! Much less expensive to deploy
    and strike.

    This headline sets you up for the whole premise and offer in which I've talked about...

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    When Website Traffic Gives a 10 To 1 Return For These Street-Smart People...They Gladly Hand Over $5,000 Every Month To Get It...Not For You Though
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Those are the BIG ideas which will make a BIG difference,
    there are a number of smaller ones which need to be in place
    to maximize your offer.

    Best,
    Ewen
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  • Profile picture of the author bsbear
    Thank you guys so much. I'll take a look at fixing the things you noted.

    That was exactly what I was looking for.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
    Don't sell SEO/Tweets/Backlinks and blasts... you can buy those for $5 on fiverr...

    Sell them what you will accomplish - more business

    Most of these guys won't even know what you're talking about anyway.

    Also, how are you justifying giving me the SAME $5,000 package for $99 - $750?
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    • Profile picture of the author bsbear
      Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

      Don't sell SEO/Tweets/Backlinks and blasts... you can buy those for $5 on fiverr...

      Sell them what you will accomplish - more business

      Most of these guys won't even know what you're talking about anyway.

      Also, how are you justifying giving me the SAME $5,000 package for $99 - $750?
      I don't totally understand that, I'm not selling the same type of work as Fiverr/etc. This is the same caliber of quality SEO that I sell to my offline business/corporate clients, so I thought I would brand it that way.

      Essentially it is a smaller portion of the same service, so you don't get the same physical results as you would with one of my $1,000+ a month clients, but you get similar results just a toned down version.

      Basically I have entirely proven SEO tactics, nothing like what is sold on WF, sorry guys. But this is actual SEO, not just scrapebox blast's rehashed fiverr gigs. This is the same SEO that businesses like Nike/Domino's/Old Spice use, but just a smaller version, if that makes sense.

      My thought process is that a company that makes millions needs so much performance in their SEO campaign, a small business owner or internet marketer doesn't need the same amount of effort to reach similar results. It's a question of high-competition SEO versus small-medium competition SEO.

      Honestly, I should get rid of the $99-179 packages, because they don't offer anywhere near the power of my higher plans. But I really wanted to target the WF market, and allow them to see what real SEO is. I just don't think there is a market for professional $750+ SEO on WF.

      And if you are wondering why I can't just expand to more corporate clients, it's because I'm doing local work, I don't run a huge company. So if I could expand online it would allow me to increase revenue, while providing new clients with a high-quality service, and not have to step into the corporate life myself.

      Thanks for the advice.
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  • Hi bs,

    I may be like your smaller clients, technically dense with just a glimmer of understanding on SEO.

    Here's my thoughts in what I think you're saying (I may be wrong) - you say your SEO works well for a smaller company - and gets similar results to a large corporation but they are "toned down." What does "toned down" actually mean?

    You obviously say it's not as powerful - so how and what results is it really aiming to achieve?

    I'm sure there's good answers to this - and you should explain them in your copy.


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author bsbear
      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      Hi bs,

      I may be like your smaller clients, technically dense with just a glimmer of understanding on SEO.

      Here's my thoughts in what I think you're saying (I may be wrong) - you say your SEO works well for a smaller company - and gets similar results to a large corporation but they are "toned down." What does "toned down" actually mean?

      You obviously say it's not as powerful - so how and what results is it really aiming to achieve?

      I'm sure there's good answers to this - and you should explain them in your copy.


      Steve
      What I mean is that, pretend you are a huge company, that needs to rank # 1 for a high competition keyword. Let's say you are trying to rank for 'how to get stronger,' (I'm using random kw's). Anyway, I would have to charge you between $5,000 - 10,000 to begin hacking away at the extensive backlinks that would require.

      For a typical internet marketer, you aren't going after that kind of keyword. It just isn't feasible, and frankly, if you were, you would contact me for the $5,000 custom plan, not a normal monthly package that is targeted at low-end sites.

      It translates to this: a micro-niche site could rank #1 for $99, while a broader authority site might require over $750 a month to rank for it's keywords.

      The customer is free to choose the package based on competition. Does that make sense? I'm not sure if my idea is too complicated.
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  • Yes, it's now beginning to make more sense.

    So, could you say - by using your expertise you can help a small/medium business nip "under the radar" and get a very high ranking on the search engines?

    If so - you want to get this point across in your copy - as in hammer it across.

    Really make business owners understand how it can be achieved. But state it takes a true specialist to do it (you don't want to give away the techniques because potential clients may try it themselves - and very likely make a hash of it).

    You don't want to "educate" people. Instead you want to channel their desire (to get high rankings) by proving what they thought was almost impossible can actually be done.

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author bsbear
      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      Yes, it's now beginning to make more sense.

      So, could you say - by using your expertise you can help a small/medium business nip "under the radar" and get a very high ranking on the search engines?

      If so - you want to get this point across in your copy - as in hammer it across.

      Really make business owners understand how it can be achieved. But state it takes a true specialist to do it (you don't want to give away the techniques because potential clients may try it themselves - and very likely make a hash of it).

      You don't want to "educate" people. Instead you want to channel their desire (to get high rankings) by proving what they thought was almost impossible can actually be done.

      Steve
      Yeah, I think I understand where you're coming from.

      My only other thing to figure out, is whether or not I need like a professionally designed sales thread/page.

      You know how a lot of WSO's use those fancy full page graphic sales letters, I'm kinda wondering if they help conversions also. Idk, I'll have to research it.
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      • Profile picture of the author alldaycreative
        Originally Posted by bsbear View Post

        Yeah, I think I understand where you're coming from.

        My only other thing to figure out, is whether or not I need like a professionally designed sales thread/page.

        You know how a lot of WSO's use those fancy full page graphic sales letters, I'm kinda wondering if they help conversions also. Idk, I'll have to research it.
        Yup. Although I found a lot of the copy to be TL;DR, I understand that's the style you're going for. As the other posters above have suggested, a greater emphasis on what you offer that others can't ("why you") rather than price competition would improve your copy, as would greater reassurance about the quality of the product.

        But while your copy is adequate, your design really isn't! If I see an offer like this and it hasn't been designed well, I assume it's bargain basement -- like all those cheap fast food flyers I keep getting through the letterbox.

        You can't compete on quality if you don't have a quality design -- that means you have to compete on price, and as others have pointed out that puts you in Fiverr territory.

        Spend money on design. You won't regret it.
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  • ... Make the design clean, clear and concise. And the copy persuasive, compelling and irresistible.

    This gets you the highest response.

    Whatever you do - don't make it look or read like "hype" (which most SEO pitches do).

    And don't rage, shout and scream - knocking out dozens of words which we don't understand. (which most SEO pitches do). Explain and clarify everything.

    Don't let people say "Yea, yea, another so called SEO wonder deal - NEXT!"

    In a world cluttered with SEO "experts" you want to be leagues above the rest.

    By conclusively proving you DO know how it's done - with the true expertise and professionalism - which gets the results.

    Because that's what your people want.

    BTW - You have got quite a good guarantee - but could you make it more specific.

    Sorry to say this but as Andrew mentioned on thread 2 - will you humanely shoot the bear.

    Alright, I know it's part of the company name - so maybe don't kill it - but get a designer to improve it.

    Before you do - ask yourself - is a logo of a bear really going to increase the revenues?

    We've already got pandas and penguins involved in SEO do we have to have a bear as well?


    Steve


    P.S. If you feel you MUST use the bear - read this -

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear

    And pick the most fascinating fact about them that relates perfectly to SEO and put it in the copy.
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  • Profile picture of the author KaplanT4
    The heading right below your video: "Tired of the typical B.S. that surrounds SEO?" compels me to read more than beginning with "Presenting Bearrific". I don't care about the name Bearrific, it doesn't mean anything to me, and I don't care if your service is revised. Maybe you could put that a bit later in your copy - starting with what's in it for me would definitely compel me to continue reading...more so than how your copy currently begins.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsbear
    Thank guys.

    1 - I'll kill the bear

    2 - Going to spend some good money on a graphic designer to make it look awesome

    3 - Will work on copy - Probably going to get rid of the current headline and go more towards the 'No BS SEO campaign' route, where I explain why its important to have professional rather than cheap SEO

    Once again, I can't thank you guys enough. You've really made a huge difference in this, and it will absolutely help me succeed.. I really appreciate it.
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  • ...ohh no.

    The worst words any of us here copywriters could possibly hear.

    "I'll spend good money on the design"

    "And tinker about with the copy and hope for the best" (that was my translation).

    Please don't make it a nice, sparkly, shiny designed site - which nobody is ever going to read.

    Just make it a decent design and really, really work on the copy.


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author chrisnos
      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      ...ohh no.

      The worst words any of us here copywriters could possibly hear.

      "I'll spend good money on the design"

      "And tinker about with the copy and hope for the best" (that was my translation).

      Please don't make it a nice, sparkly, shiny designed site - which nobody is ever going to read.

      Steve
      Steve couldn't be more right!

      Look at Apple's website, notice how much of the content is focused on providing the customer information on what they're looking for, and how the products are going to benefit the customer, and notice how EVERYTHING HAS A PURPOSE - every single thing on every single page is there for a reason - and notice how simple their design is; straight-to-the-point with no useless crap or garbage to distract from why the visitor is actually on the site (they're not coming to your site to see pretty colors. They're visiting your page because you're they believe you're the middleman with the solution they need that is standing between their life now and the results they want as an end result).
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  • Profile picture of the author WinstonTian
    Originally Posted by bsbear View Post

    Hey guys, could you do me a huge favor and rate my sales copy. The link is in my signature.

    I am not trying to market my services, please don't take it that way, but a lot of the text/copy is actually in pictures which would make moving it all into this thread a problem.

    But yeah, I'd really appreciate it if you could give me some tips on improving the compelling part of the copywriting to effectively get my points across more.
    I think you need to take a closer look at your ideal customer persona.

    In my opinion, it's not really clear, or you haven't really delved deep
    enough into the mind of your prospect. You need to understand their
    common objections, thoughts, emotions, habits, trends, news, reflexes,
    actions, lifestyle etc...

    Basically, "stalk" them until you know them like your kid. (in the copy
    research way, of course - though Bencivenga did stalk some guards
    for copy research, as an example)

    For example, Google Panda is hot news. If people hear it from their
    competitors, and you don't have a stand in it... There's something
    missing.

    Remember that most of your customers are up to a very high level
    of market sophistication. They have seen tons of products and they
    obviously know their terms and technicalities very well.

    Try and appeal on a more emotional level, and yet give "supporting"
    reasons to let them justify their decisions.

    For every claim you do... try and support it with an existing example
    that is happening in real-life. Something that is solid proof, or
    undeniable... Or something they can self-verify for themselves.

    Sometimes you need to prompt them in the direction - you need to
    cast that "liquid hot iron" (ideas) into the "mold" (imagination).

    Your testimonials can stand out even more... Give it a headline!

    "Raised our quarterly profits by 22%..."
    bla-bla-bla-bla

    1 testimonial doesn't give the "wtf" herd emotion going. Try to lump
    about 3 testimonials together, and see if that doesn't give you a
    boost... (There is never "enough" proof)

    Increase the size of your video if it contains a bigger portion of
    your sales pitch over your text.

    Your risk reversal is a little weak... You could work on your offer
    and reframing a little more than that. It's a "tinier piece of copy" in
    a large piece of copy.

    Every line has to PROMPT your reader to read the next line.

    Prompt their eyes to the right direction, if you're using "design".

    By the way, it has been proven: Again, again, again, again and again
    that long copy design outstrips conversions of any other page of
    similar content.

    "Kind of Ugly" converts.

    Unless you're in the "design" market or something where it has to be
    consistent with your image. Or fashion, for example.

    Your design for text at least, has to make it more readible, instead of
    invisible.

    Light green on white is not acceptable. The contrast is bad.

    Black on white is best. Black on light yellow is next, etc. Try to keep
    away from reverse-color text.

    Your video gives off the impression of a little "corporate speak"...

    Don't believe us, or what anyone of us says. We have no idea, only
    experience. It's up to you to split-test and see what works.

    Though I'm pretty confident it could raise your conversion rates even
    if it's by a notch.

    By the way... Who's behind Bearrific? I don't think I managed to
    identify the service with a real person...

    Winston Tian
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  • Profile picture of the author bsbear
    Hmm, definitely solid advice.

    I realize that I'm not a copywriter so I've outsourced that to a well-known copywriter on this forum, so don't think I'm taking the copy-side of things lightly.

    But anyway, I'm now starting to realize that I've left out a huge gap in my service, and I really need to add these different parts in that you all recommended to increase my conversions.

    I'm taking all of your advice into account and I'm going to work on it, but there's actually a ton of stuff that I need to get done now, 99% of it being copy/sales page related. In the end, the only thing that matters is how well it converts as that will be my only business, so I need to do everything I can to boost it.

    Thanks!

    EDIT: Also, why does 'kind of ugly' convert?
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  • ..."kind of ugly" converts well - because it's different. It's not corporate "glossy". And it's not amateurish "shabby" (one means expensive, the other means you don't really know what your doing).

    It's just real. And with the right words people instantly see you are an SEO specialist which is exactly what you want.

    Not someone besotted with their image, ego and company logo (corporate). Or someone desperately having a shot at SEO and hyping up their lack of skill (amateur).

    Most importantly, you're seen to be passionate in giving your clients a sensational service by concentrating much more on the copy which proves just how good you are.

    And if you really want to prove that you're a true expert in SEO - the best way to do it is offer a tangible guarantee.

    Because everything else in SEO is just theory - people want measurable results.

    Their site zooming up the rankings.


    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author james kirk
    I think your paragraphs are too long. My first impression is that it's a chore to read. Also, you have some punctuation and grammatical errors that you should address. For example, the paragraph that begins "Are you willing to do..." needs a question mark.

    Font changes sizes quite a bit, which is kind of awkward on the eyes.
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