Before you ask for a critique....

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I've noticed a lot of requests for critiques on this
board... and that's a good thing.

It means the business owner/marketer knows the value
of good copy.

After all, nothing happens in your business until a sale
is made. Money coming in is how businesses survive and
that usually takes some form of persuasive sales writing.

and asking for critiques also helps act as a learning
tool for new copywriters or marketers who are just
starting out.

now, although I'm not a big fan of giving critiques
for free, because as professionals, we need to get
paid for our valuable input.

after all, how many people really value "free"

but that's neither here nor there, since I've
landed many a client by offering free crits.

the bigger problem I see is, a lot of people asking for
critiques put up really shitty copy and then probably
take it personally when copywriters tear it to shreds.

So, before posting a thread for a critique, maybe put
your copy through this "pre-critique" test so that
way you know you're covering certain basic and
fundamental requirements in any sales letter.

1. Does your copy start out addressing a big problem
or desire in your market?

Do you offer a solution to some problem, want, or need
in your market?

If you're selling something because YOU want to sell it,
you probably don't need a critique... you need a new
business plan.

2. Do you prove to the reader that you have what they
need or want?

Do you have something that will solve their problem
or help them reach their desires/wants/wishes?

And is it unique/better/different than what's out there now?

3. Can you back up your claims? do you have proof
that what you're saying is true? do you have case
studies, success stories, before and afters, testimonials,
quotes from experts, etc....

Why should the reader believe you? Back up what you say.

4. Are you telling them what do you and how to buy?

make sure you tell your reader exactly what to do. want them to
click an order button, or call an 800 number? tell them to do
so. and tell them to do it NOW... put in some urgency and
scarcity.

offer a limited time bonus or special incentive, but again,
tell them to act now.

So, if your copy passes this "sniff" test, I'd feel comfortable
posting it for a crit.

You still might get lambasted in the crit if your copy still
sucks, but at least you'll know you're covering basics.

for a more specific formula....

Headline
Subhead
Powerful story
It's not your fault and there's hope.
Give away VALUABLE content.
Proof.
What is it I'm offering? What's in it?
Bullets points/benefits
Who needs it? Who doesn't?
What makes it different?
Wrap up.
Price.
A guarantee.
A close.
A signature.
Your P.S.
Your testimonials (these can be placed throughout)

Learned that formula from Craig Clemens, the bad ass
copywriter who got me interested in becoming a freelancer.

hope this helps!
#critique
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
    What isn't on the sticky (or at least prominent enough for me to see at a glance) is...

    ...positioning.

    The common denominator for critique requests that I've personally seen throughout the couple years here - all (or most) demonstrate a complete lack of brand awareness.

    ...

    The positioning of your company/sales letter determines so much about the tone, approach, verbiage and main marketing message you apply in the copy.

    I've seen a tiny handful of good attempts at positioning, but very, very few.

    Why is this important?

    Well...

    It shows that you know what your prospects are feeling and command the leadership to usher them to your solution.

    That authoritative tone (even for soft, invitation-based sales pitches) is simply, missing.

    The problem is... (for the most part)

    The people posting for critique don't even have products ready for marketing.

    So...

    Deriving the life-changing benefits is a practical impossibility.

    Anyway...

    It's good for people to put themselves out there and let the experts here use their copy to demonstrate what should be done with real-world examples (for the lurkers to see and apply...)

    ...but the majority of critique requests put up on the copywriting forum are unfortunately not really benefiting anyone.

    My take.

    mark
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    • Profile picture of the author Pusateri
      Originally Posted by Mark Pescetti View Post

      What isn't on the sticky (or at least prominent enough for me to see at a glance) is...

      ...positioning.

      The common denominator for critique requests that I've personally seen throughout the couple years here - all (or most) demonstrate a complete lack of brand awareness.

      ...

      The positioning of your company/sales letter determines so much about the tone, approach, verbiage and main marketing message you apply in the copy.

      I've seen a tiny handful of good attempts at positioning, but very, very few.

      Why is this important?

      Well...

      It shows that you know what your prospects are feeling and command the leadership to usher them to your solution.

      That authoritative tone (even for soft, invitation-based sales pitches) is simply, missing.

      The problem is... (for the most part)

      The people posting for critique don't even have products ready for marketing.

      So...

      Deriving the life-changing benefits is a practical impossibility.

      Anyway...

      It's good for people to put themselves out there and let the experts here use their copy to demonstrate what should be done with real-world examples (for the lurkers to see and apply...)

      ...but the majority of critique requests put up on the copywriting forum are unfortunately not really benefiting anyone.

      My take.

      mark
      I'm just quoting Mr. Pescetti's post in case some bonehead skipped over it the first time.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jennie Heckel
    Hi All,

    One thing that I think a lot of copywriters and marketers don't address (and that is the cause of failed launches) is anything that STOPS OR INTERUPTS THE SALE...

    When a copywriter hands off his/her completed copy... There is a hugely deterimental effect of randomly adding testimonials/graphics/videos (by the marketer after the copy is written) does to the SALEABILTY of the copy!

    Because... most marketers just "plunk in a testimonial/graphic/video where they think it needs one"!

    This makes absolutely no sense to me and here's why.

    As a marketer you pay a ton of money to make sure the copywriter writes copy that SELLS!

    Then... When the copywriter hands off the copy they never see the huge amount of damage that is done to incredibly smooth flowing copy by a "testimonial/graphic/video plunked down in the middle of the copy!" (OR MOST ANYWHERE THE MARKETER OR PAGE DESIGNER THINKS IT NEEDS ONE!)

    I see this time and time again, and it ruins creative copy.

    A testimonial/graphic/video that does NOT support the copy that came before it --- puts a HUGE ROAD BLOCK in the readers mind...

    Many times the testimonial/graphic/video has nothing to do with the copy that came before it!

    This STOPS the reader's flow of being seduced by the copy...

    They STOP and read the testimonial/graphic/video in the testimonial box and it KILLS THE FLOW OF THE COPY down the slippery slope to the sale!

    I SEE THIS ON WSO and CLICKBANK LAUNCHES ALL THE TIME!

    But... when you use a testimonial/graphic/video properly it "supports the copy!

    You only want to insert a testimonial/graphic/video that makes a point that the reader might not have known" or brings up a reason why this product is "inherently better" or "whatever point the copy is trying to make" in the preceding words -- THEN AND ONLY THEN DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO PLUNK ONE IN!

    I am sure you have seen testimonials/graphic/video just plunked in all over a sales page and how this can destroy the flow of the copy DOWN TO THE BUY BUTTON.

    I normally use 1 really strong testimonial right after the headline and lead in, this is to support the HUGE CLAIM I AM MAKING IN THE HEADLINE AND THE PROMISE THAT I HAVE THE ONLY/BEST SOLUTION TO THEIR PROBLEM.

    When you do it this way, it helps to remove doubt/anxiety/fear and gets the reader to feel "you are on their wave length" so the reader is ready to listen to what you are saying...

    In other words... they think this..."Hey this guy/gal gets my pain/problem/ and has the RIGHT/BEST/ONLY solution to SOLVE IT!

    So now go through your testimonials first and review the strongest ones you think make a super point that is important to know about your product AND SUPPORT THE CLAIM MADE IN THE HEADLINE.

    Then narrow it down to the top 2, and you may decide to rewrite the testimonial slightly and resend it to the person that wrote it to get them to approve it.

    Now with the new FTC ruling be sure to follow all the new rules about testimonials... and be sure to use your common sense. Send all the testimonials you have to the copywriter so they have a "snowballs chance" of using the testimonials in the right place to enhance the sales letter so it slides the reader down to click the buy button.

    ***If you take your sales letter and you want to do a quick split test --- just remove most of the distracting elements, ie, extra testimonials/graphic/videos and then put most of the testimonials at the end of the sales letter with a buy button below them.

    The conversions will likely be higher, sometimes I split test and it is double to even triple or more when I work with a client to grease the slide to the slippery slope to the buy button!

    Good luck to all!

    Jennie Heckel
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    • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
      Originally Posted by Jennie Heckel View Post

      Hi All,

      One thing that I think a lot of copywriters and marketers don't address (and that is the cause of failed launches) is anything that STOPS OR INTERUPTS THE SALE...

      When a copywriter hands off his/her completed copy... There is a hugely deterimental effect of randomly adding testimonials/graphics/videos (by the marketer after the copy is written) does to the SALEABILTY of the copy!
      This is damn good advice. When I write copy for a client, I always add the suggestions for where to put the graphics, the testimonials etc...probably one of those OCD things again

      Of course, in some cases you have the client revisions which get carelessly tossed in there like a monkey wrench jammed into a well built clock and they wonder why it stops working. I've seen it happen a lot (shakes his head)...

      I think copywriters AND their clients need to remember that copywriting isn't writing, it's selling. The writing is secondary at best. There's a process you move a person through from start to finish when writing a piece of copy and being true to that process needs to be the primary goal of the piece.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    Also make sure you have a thick skin. Criticism is meant to help so don't take it as a personal attack.
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    • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      Also make sure you have a thick skin. Criticism is meant to help so don't take it as a personal attack.
      That's true, but there are a lot of copywriters on here whose "feedback" comes out like fiery darts. Hard not to take it personally when someone is being rude and unprofessional.

      In fact, it's gotten to where I see a request for feedback and have to hold my nose while scrolling down the thread and seeing some of the other copywriters comments.

      If you really want to showcase your expertise, probably a good idea not to be d-bag about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author kiteg2
    the bigger problem I see is, a lot of people asking for
    critiques put up really shitty copy and then probably
    take it personally when copywriters tear it to shreds.
    Sometimes no matter what you say to help people is is taken as a personal attack.

    That's true, but there are a lot of copywriters on here whose "feedback" comes out like fiery darts. Hard not to take it personally when someone is being rude and unprofessional.
    @shawnlebrun falls on death ears.

    @sethczerepak Ever been called an ars*hole because you said there are to many I's in a piece of copy.

    When you write copy that pulls the results of people here that A; take a long time to try and help.
    B: you are doing for free and
    C:are getting abused and questioned by members of this forum, some of whom are just trying to get free help, then you can take your "fiery darts" and stick them back to whence they came. The people here are trying to help you make money and are doing it for free. So I repeat. Take your Fiery darts and stick them back to whence they came.
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  • Profile picture of the author kiteg2
    One of these days people here will offend one to many times and no one will help.
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