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Some Great Copywriters...And Maybe A Job

by max5ty
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There's some great copywriters out there...lots you probably don't know or haven't heard of. Believe it or not...not all the good ones hang out here

Sometimes there are those who only think copywriters write sales letters. There's lots of other ways to influence online buying.

Lots of different opportunities out there.

If you're looking for a little inspiration, you might want to check out this site. There's also job opportunities posted.

I don't have any affiliation with the site but there's some good ideas in some of the portfolios...and yes there's a lot of ideas that can help you with your online marketing.

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#copywritersand #great #job
  • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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    Got me chuckling...

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  • Profile picture of the author Corey Geer
    The majority of people who work with high end clients or high paying jobs don't hang out around the forums or find their clients from the forums.

    It's highly unrealistic to expect a lot of the people here to pay thousands for a sales page because they're all stuck on the idea of selling a $7 product that was more than likely written for $50.

    You kind of have to adjust your prices based on where you're marketing but from my general experience, clients picked up from the forums usually are hit or miss. Usually it takes days or weeks to hear back from people on the forums for some unknown reason.
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    • Profile picture of the author copyassassin
      Originally Posted by Corey Geer View Post


      It's highly unrealistic to expect a lot of the people here to pay thousands for a sales page because they're all stuck on the idea of selling a $7 product that was more than likely written for $50.
      You might be really surprised!

      There's money flowing here, if you can convert!
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    • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
      Originally Posted by Corey Geer View Post

      The majority of people who work with high end clients or high paying jobs don't hang out around the forums or find their clients from the forums.

      It's highly unrealistic to expect a lot of the people here to pay thousands for a sales page because they're all stuck on the idea of selling a $7 product that was more than likely written for $50.

      You kind of have to adjust your prices based on where you're marketing but from my general experience, clients picked up from the forums usually are hit or miss. Usually it takes days or weeks to hear back from people on the forums for some unknown reason.
      I suspect you're slightly biased with a signature that sells $15, soon to be $50 articles. That doesn't speak volumes about your expertise in acquiring high-end clients.
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      • Profile picture of the author Corey Geer
        Originally Posted by angiecolee View Post

        I suspect you're slightly biased with a signature that sells $15, soon to be $50 articles. That doesn't speak volumes about your expertise in acquiring high-end clients.
        I'm very biased based on the clients I've met here thus far. I was very inexperienced the first time I talked to a potential corporate client. I told him the price was $25 per article and he told me the quality must be piss poor.

        I don't know how others find high paying clients on here, but the majority of the people I meet fall into this category:

        1) They need work done but they take days or even weeks to respond usually.
        2) They pay for a little work then they want to become "joint venture" buddies because more than likely they're out of money.

        So out of sheer curiosity, are people finding high quality clients from the Copywriting section of the forum, the WSO section of the forum, the for hire section of the forum or do they contact them?

        As far as I understand, you have to move away from the forum to increase your price and to obtain those clients. I used to write for DP *shudder* I know.. I know... before I knew what a decent price was or what content writing services actually went for.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremey
          Originally Posted by Corey Geer View Post

          So out of sheer curiosity, are people finding high quality clients from the Copywriting section of the forum, the WSO section of the forum, the for hire section of the forum or do they contact them?

          As far as I understand, you have to move away from the forum to increase your price and to obtain those clients. I used to write for DP *shudder* I know.. I know... before I knew what a decent price was or what content writing services actually went for.
          The forum is not the place to generate a 6 figure income for copywriting. But there are good clients here who do understand the dollar value of good copy and are willing to pay for it. They aren't the high dollar clients with thousands to spend on a project...But they are looking for someone with talent who can ask them the right questions to get their focus sharpened and maybe make a difference in their lives.

          The problem I've seen is that many of the clients that are willing to pay here on the forum generally still don't have the back end processes to measure results and in many cases, implement them properly. Just getting a good sales letter won't sell jack if you don't have a sales funnel in place, and a means to measure, test, and revise...

          It's been great for me, as a starting place. And I'm not a guy that just came out of nowhere...I have experience and ability, but I didn't have the platform to really launch from. Now I have that, and each day I try to do better, learn more, and develop my business strategy.

          There are good people, good clients here...It takes time to sift through and find them, and I wouldn't want to spend 20 years as a Warrior Forum copywriter, but it's a great place for the right situation.
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        • Profile picture of the author Raydal
          Originally Posted by Corey Geer View Post


          So out of sheer curiosity, are people finding high quality clients from the Copywriting section of the forum, the WSO section of the forum, the for hire section of the forum or do they contact them?

          As far as I understand, you have to move away from the forum to increase your price and to obtain those clients. I used to write for DP *shudder* I know.. I know... before I knew what a decent price was or what content writing services actually went for.
          Your general assessment is right. The WF is not the place to find
          high paying clients. I've been around here for 10 years now
          and I have clients how paid me upwards of $10K for copywriting
          work but they found me through the forum but were not
          active members          . So they would let me know that they read
          my posts on the forum and liked my work etc, but the typical
          Warrior cannot afford to pay thousands for a sales letter and
          are mostly "looking for a deal".

          The exception you'll get are the few who are doing well in
          their marketing business and really understand the importance
          of great copy.

          But the bottom line is that the forum is not the place to pick
          up high-paying clients. Best to market elsewhere, but it's a great
          place to start.

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          • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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            Don't know about that Ray.

            I know of one top copywriter here
            who recently picked up a contract
            to write a piece of direct response
            sales copy for the San Francisco
            49ers.

            I know because I was
            asked to critique the piece on
            completion before it was sent to
            the client.

            And myself? Another top copywriter
            here recently asked me to write the
            sales copy for his $10,000 coaching
            program.

            The high paying gigs are here if one
            positions oneself properly in the
            marketplace.

            Smoking hot,


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          • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
            Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

            Your general assessment is right. The WF is not the place to find
            high paying clients. I've been around here for 10 years now
            and I have clients how paid me upwards of $10K for copywriting
            work but they found me through the forum but were not
            active members            . So they would let me know that they read
            my posts on the forum and liked my work etc, but the typical
            Warrior cannot afford to pay thousands for a sales letter and
            are mostly "looking for a deal".

            The exception you'll get are the few who are doing well in
            their marketing business and really understand the importance
            of great copy.

            But the bottom line is that the forum is not the place to pick
            up high-paying clients. Best to market elsewhere, but it's a great
            place to start.

            -Ray Edwards
            Ray, I agree with most of you're saying.

            Warrior is a great place to start a copywriting business. I used Warrior Forum over 6 years ago to move my copywriting business from part-time to full-time.

            As for the ability to land high-paying clients... it depends. It depends on the skills of the copywriter. It depends on their track record. It depends on who you're talking to as a potential client.

            Prescreening prospects is definitely a necessity for a copywriter as you don't want to waste 2 hours on the phone with someone who can only afford to spend $50 to hire a copywriter. Positioning yourself as an expert and not as a cheap copywriter also helps get the right prospects in front of you too.

            As you mentioned, there are a number of successful Warriors who surf and lurk the forum. They may not be active posters (mostly because participating in threads can be a major time burner) but they do periodically stop by and read different forum threads.

            I've gotten a number of high-profile clients through this forum. I've gotten multiple five-figure deals from clients and business contacts I met through this forum as well.

            For a good number of copywriters who are struggling or only seem to be capable of landing low-paying clients... almost everyone of them who's ever asked me for advice is trying to compete with sub-par copywriting, marketing, or salesmanship skills. They would be best served to work with a copywriting coach (like Raydal, Vin Montello, or myself) to fix the deficiencies in their game.

            Taking price shopping out of the equation... if an up and coming copywriter is trying to close a 4-5 figure deal and the prospective client is also talking to a veteran copywriter who has better copywriting, marketing, and salesmanship skills... well, the veteran is more likely to get hired for the same project fee that the client is willing to spend simply because they are bringing better skills to the table. Better skills means a better chance of success for the client's project.

            That's not a knock on up and coming copywriters. I was one of them myself once. I spent a lot of time constantly working on and improving my skills to get to where I am today. And I still constantly work on improving my skills to continue to command the fees I want to charge.

            Hope that helps,

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    • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
      Originally Posted by Corey Geer View Post

      The majority of people who work with high end clients or high paying jobs don't hang out around the forums or find their clients from the forums.

      It's highly unrealistic to expect a lot of the people here to pay thousands for a sales page because they're all stuck on the idea of selling a $7 product that was more than likely written for $50.

      You kind of have to adjust your prices based on where you're marketing but from my general experience, clients picked up from the forums usually are hit or miss. Usually it takes days or weeks to hear back from people on the forums for some unknown reason.
      Yeah, you keep doing that.

      I've got clients from this forum paying me thousands per month for copywriting. I suspect other writers on this thread do too...but by all means, keep believing this ^.

      Less competition for the rest of us.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    As I mentioned, I've had $10K gigs from the Warrior Forum,
    but again this is the exception and not the rule. I'm not only
    talking for myself but the many coaching students over the
    years that I've helped.

    Just saying that my biggest gigs didn't come from the WF.

    But again, no one should use me for a standard because I'm
    a lot more pickier about markets I write for than the
    "average" Warrior, for example I don't write for the
    "how to get laid" (dating) niche.

    And also, I do more "contributing" than advertising.

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