How do you break into these niches?

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Happy Christmas guys!

I'm writing this in the lull that has fallen since opening presents - it'll pick up again shortly, I'm certain.

Listen, I must warn you - over the coming weeks, you will have all manner of silly, stupid and downright self-effacing questions from me. Sure, I should be positioning myself as a master of this stuff, but truth be told...I don't really care - Learning is more important to me.

So, here's the first one.

I love Internet Marketing as much as the next guy, but if that's all I'm working on, it starts to drag - especially when some of the products I'm helping to sell are a loose re-hash of something already previously released.

I'm looking to specialise in four markets:

1.) Health and Fitness
2.) Self-Improvement
3.) Dating/Pick-Up (Focused predominantly on males)
4.) Technology

The problem is, I've no idea how to even start to begin to break into these niches. I've joined a bodybuilding forum, but it's mostly comprised of enthusiasts - and I'm certain no one wants to be bothered by some chap trying to expand his business.

I'm looking for answers from the experienced guys and girls on here who've been through the struggle and strain, and find themselves with a wealth of experience with this: How does one break into said markets?

Thanks people!


Ben.
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  • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
    I think you're on the right track with getting involved with your target community, but you'd probably do better face to face or at least through mail/email marketing and cold calling. Also, the pro orgs are more likely to hire you than individual enthusiasts - try to get into some professional conferences to network with people that could hire you later. That said, I know next to nothing about those niches aside from my own personal bias, so this is speculative.

    My specialties are accidental - I just happened to know a lot of people in those fields and did work for them, got referred out, etc, and suddenly I was a real estate/construction and event planning writer in my local area. I actively seek out new real estate and event planning connections now, as well as keeping my eye out for subjects I'm passionate about. Those turn into natural specialties and I find it's fairly easy to sell someone on my ability to help when I can talk about the topic with passion and enthusiasm.
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  • Thanks Angie,

    I'm currently expanding my network on LinkedIn, joining other forums, and generally expanding my reach. We'll see how that turns out - I'm going to start up the engine of my blog soon, and start to get some organic search traffic coming in.

    Pretty excited for the results!


    Anyways, hope you're having a great holiday!


    Ben.
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  • Ben,

    Good that you've chosen 3 easy and untapped niches to break into (lol).

    Just write to them - with a top notch sales letter brimming with persuasion techniques.

    Telling them how you'll dramatically improve their conversations and sales (and why you're able to achieve this).

    Make your pitch so good they'll feel fortunes will be lost if they don't hire immediately if not sooner.

    Before you send it, put yourself in your prospects shoes and ask yourself honestly, "Would I respond to this?" (make absolutely sure the answer is a resounding "Yes you would").

    And if they don't.

    Keep writing to them until they do.

    There are so many potential clients (all wanting more revenue) it would be almost statistically impossible not to grab a few.


    Steve
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    • Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      Ben,

      Good that you've chosen 3 easy and untapped niches to break into (lol).

      Just write to them - with a top notch sales letter brimming with persuasion techniques.

      Telling them how you'll dramatically improve their conversations and sales (and why you're able to achieve this).

      Make your pitch so good they'll feel fortunes will be lost if they don't hire immediately if not sooner.

      Before you send it, put yourself in your prospects shoes and ask yourself honestly, "Would I respond to this?" (make absolutely sure the answer is a resounding "Yes you would").

      And if they don't.

      Keep writing to them until they do.

      There are so many potential clients (all wanting more revenue) it would be almost statistically impossible not to grab a few.


      Steve

      Steve,

      Ahaha - go hard or go home!

      And that's a great idea. But how do I get hold of these people - where do I find the people I want to be my clients? I've been recommended to get in touch via Clickbank, but I've attempted that - and got no response, or I hit gatekeepers.

      What do you suggest?


      Warm regards,


      Ben.
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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Run a WSO or JV for those markets.
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  • Profile picture of the author Monja
    I think the best is to get deeper, e.g. if you want to have a blog (business) in the health market try to find your niche, e.g. break it down: what is your own unique point? e.g. you might love to travel but you are always on the road so working out is hard for you. there are others with the same problem. solve that and you have a unique point in a saturated market
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  • ...all you need are the names and addresses.

    Many will say, send the letter and - "You must follow up with a phone call!"

    I've never quite understood that - because if the letter was that good - they would have called you.

    And who needs to spend all day trying to dismantle gates?


    Steve
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    • Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      ...all you need are the names and addresses.

      Many will say, send the letter and - "You must follow up with a phone call"

      I've never quite understood that - because if the letter was that good - they would have called you.

      And who needs to spend all do trying to dismantle gates?


      Steve

      Steve,


      I can always count on you for sound advice. Wisdom without the ego - A phrase I can apply to only a few here. Thanks!



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  • ...the last thing on earth the clients need is a copywriter with a massive ego.

    All they're bothered about is results.


    Steve



    P.S.

    Although it’s very helpful, to be honest it’s vital to develop all the skills needed to be an ace copywriter.

    The fatal mistake we can then make is to believe we're in the copywriting business.

    We’re not.

    As the late, great Mr. Halbert pointed out.

    We’re in the “arithmetic business”

    In other words it’s a numbers game.
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  • Profile picture of the author shawnlebrun
    Hey Ben,

    Here's what I do when I'm considering entering a new
    market.

    First, I really spend a lot of time researching what's
    currently out there and selling WELL in that particular
    market.

    This way, I know what is working.

    Then, I try to think of ways to make
    a better/faster/stronger/cheaper product.

    In other words, something different.
    Something better. Something that meets
    the needs of the market.... needs that
    aren't being met yet.

    I guess you can call it market differentiation.

    But I spend most of my time in the research
    phase, making sure there's even a need.

    You NEVER want to be the pioneer with the arrows
    in your back. Better to take a winner and make it
    even better.

    You can almost never go wrong by addressing the
    biggest needs/problems/pain points in a particular
    market.

    In fact, some of the best products simply just
    solve problems.

    So, first step is make sure there's an urgent
    problem that needs to be solved in that
    market.

    Is the customer experiencing pain and urgency
    or irrational passion?

    You want a product that people are already
    motivated to buy... they're actively seeking out
    a solution.

    If they're actively searching for a solution in that
    niche, you have a product waiting to be made.

    You want prospects proactively searching for
    solutions.

    That way, once you identify their problem
    and mention your solution (product), you're
    halfway there.

    But you still have to have some kind of
    proof in that market/niche... that you've
    either achieved the solution yourself or
    have helped people achieve a particular
    solution.

    For example, I sold weight loss products
    for years, and I wrote the products after
    I had lost a ton of weight.

    So the proof was built right into the product.

    These days, I'm a little more choosy when it
    comes to creating products.

    For me, it has to be a large enough market,
    and the ones you mentioned are large and
    evergreen. They almost always have room for
    another big winner.

    So, my potential product MUST solve a problem
    that's in a big enough niche where people are
    actively searching for solutions.

    I only want to offer products that people
    want and are currently looking for. So, I
    stick with markets that are currently selling
    well. Again, I don't want to be a pioneer.

    I also like creating products that are not
    one-time sales, like ebooks.

    These days, I'm more apt to create
    membership sites, newsletters, or other
    products that have built-in passive income
    or continuous revenue streams.

    This way, it's not just a one time sale,
    but rather... if you provide the goods, you have
    long term repeat business potential.

    Another reason I like newsletters is because
    you can use them to sell other products in
    that market.

    For instance, I sell printed newsletters in
    certain health markets, and with those
    newsletters, I can also promote and sell
    related items like vitamins and supplements.

    So, you now have a continuous income stream
    AND a way to refer other products.

    That's my 2 cents about entering a market.
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  • Profile picture of the author stuzilla
    Im no seasoned copywriter however I do have a big role in the fitness niche. A qualified personal trainer. And I have been able to persuade other local personal trainers into a marketing/copywriting service (which I practically had to do nothing to get them)

    Moral of the story is: I'm sure you have WAY more marketing or copywrite skills then me. You should have no problems landing deals in these niches that you like. Just make sure you contribute to the niche in some way rather than releasing fluff to make a buck.

    All the best.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      Hello Ben

      Have you thought about heading over to LinkedIn?

      115 million people are on there, it's the business Facebook. Predominantly filled with business owners from all over the globe. Hooray! No gatekeepers to deal with.

      In your chosen niches, join groups on LinkedIn as they pertain to each niche. You'll find plenty of people starting discussions relating to marketing or ways to increase their business reach and therefore their profits.

      When you join a group on LinkedIn concentrate on giving back as much value to the group as possible.

      Then after a little while you can start using the groups built in contact / messaging function which is completely free to use.

      Look for groups by the way with more than 500 members as there's nothing worse than a dead quiet group with hardly any activity going on.

      When you first make contact with the business owners just concentrate on giving away some top notch marketing advice completely free. With a little question on the end something along the lines of, 'If you've enjoyed learning about these killer marketing strategies, there's a lot more fun and learning where this came from - do feel welcome to contact me directly at ... if you would like to take this a step further as I would love to help you take your business up to the next level blah blah blah'.

      Send out anywhere between 30-50 messages a week and I guarantee you, if you concentrate on giving away such high value information to begin with, some of these business owners will almost feel obligated to contact you directly afterwards. In other words, those that do, these are all very hot leads for your copywriting / marketing business.

      It cannot be stressed enough though that it mustn't look like spam. You really need to provide everyone you contact, provide them with as much high quality free advice as you can at first. Do this and these business owners will warm to you.

      Don't forget they're all being bombarded with marketing messages daily so stand out from the maddening crowd by going overboard to provide them with very high quality free advice to begin with, just to get the ball rolling in your favor.

      All the best Ben and good luck!


      Mark Andrews
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