Rhythm, Rhythm, Rhythm

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I didn't see a thread in here about rhythm in copywriting, even after pulling a search. Just assuming you've gotten everything else right (the hook, etc), what do you do to pace the reader/skimmers in written/video salesletters?

I particularly liked the post by Kevin Rogers on rhythm: Pump The Funk Into Your Copy | Kevin Rogers|Direct Response Copywriting Expert|Marketing Consultant|The Copywriter's Edge

I really liked the Nickel Letter (A self-defense salesletter by John Carlton), which he also featured in the post. I find that in copy, there are generally 3 types of sentences:
  1. Long sentences (20+ words): Sets the scene and plot
  2. Medium sentences (11~20 words): Pacing the reader, Provides readability, To emphasize the effect of the previous sentence
  3. Short sentences (1~10 words): Emphasis, Punchlines, "Pause and ponder"

Of course, the number of words are just there to give distinctions between the 3 categories. I know that sometimes, even verbally, we tend to speak in repeating patterns of rhythm.

For example: long, long, short... long, medium, medium.

Any experienced copywriters want to chip in on this and how they use it? Do you use it deliberately? Would be interesting to hear your opinions!

Thanks,

James Fame
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  • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
    Hi James,

    I am highly auditory and when I write or edit, I hear every word, every sentence and every paragraph in my mind's ear.

    I don't have any rules that I go by. I just approach it as I would a piece of music and make sure all the cadences are exactly where and how I want them.

    There's much more than sentence length involved.

    If this is something you want to learn, you need to study poetry and what poets and literary critics have written about rhythm.

    One very good book on the topic, from a poetics point of view, is ALL THE FUN'S IN HOW YOU SAY A THING, by Timothy Steele.

    I've done some studies of my own on rhythm for company names and tag lines, where you have just a few words to work with and therefore have to be a bit more analytical. Here are two of my articles:

    Improve Your Company's Tag Line With Rhythm and Poetic Meter
    Poetic Meter and Word Rhythm in Company Names

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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    If people really want what you have they'll buy it...period.

    All this BS about long, short, tall, skinny, fat, etc., is just that, BS.

    I get tired of hearing about how so and so did a letter that sold like crazy, and so we all need to copy that formula. We probably don't have their brain dead list...

    Get creative and sell your own stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author Raydal
      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

      If people really want what you have they'll buy it...period.

      All this BS about long, short, tall, skinny, fat, etc., is just that, BS.

      I get tired of hearing about how so and so did a letter that sold like crazy, and so we all need to copy that formula. We probably don't have their brain dead list...

      Get creative and sell your own stuff.
      You have a point. Why smell good, look good, talk good, dress good.
      If she really loves you she will marry you. Let's throw away all this
      "surface" stuff!

      Loved the rhythm of the statement I bolded, by the way.

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      • Profile picture of the author CopyMonster
        Green eggs and ham.

        There's a lot to be said about "saying" something well. A few years ago, I heard the CEO of a company speak. He was brilliant. Prior to hearing this guy, I'd heard dozens of CEO's and top corporate executives speak about their businesses. No others came close.

        What made him brilliant was his pacing, his enunciation, his conviction. He could have been reading out the telephone book and still be captivating.

        In my view, there are two parts to a message: the content and the delivery. If you only get to choose one, content trumps delivery.

        But why limit yourself?

        PS. Is it still a great song when...?

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  • Profile picture of the author Bellerine
    This is a funny thread!

    I agree; we don't need to write in iambic pentameter. That said, there is absolutely an art to writing that involves flow.

    Have you ever tried to read something that used commas excessively? These misplaced pauses are jarring. A complete lack of punctuation leaves you struggling to create your own pauses. Both take away from anything otherwise gained from reading the piece.

    To a lesser, but still important, degree is general rhythm. You can help a reader bounce along to your work, as unable to stop reading as he is stop tapping his foot to a catchy tune.

    Or you can completely ignore it and just deliver lyrics.

    Now, I studied poetry so maybe it is innately entrenched in the recesses of my brain. Maybe it just comes naturally to us. Either way, I don't use a a formula. I listen to what I've written and tweak where it doesn't flow the way I'd like. This approach applies to individual sentences and paragraphs as well as an overarching tempo of the whole work.

    But hey, everyone marches to the beat of their own drum ...
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
      I don't worry about rhythm in copy but I do pay attention to pacing and the visual look of the page. If the sentences or paragraphs are too long then it slows down the reading speed of the reader and increases the likelihood that they get bored and leave the page without buying.

      So I look for ways to increase the pace...

      It may be with shorter paragraphs...

      Or shorter sentences.

      It may be a single sentence broken out or even breaking out a single...

      Word.

      See what I mean?

      Hope that helps,

      Mike
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      • Profile picture of the author James Fame
        Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

        If this is something you want to learn, you need to study poetry and what poets and literary critics have written about rhythm.

        One very good book on the topic, from a poetics point of view, is ALL THE FUN'S IN HOW YOU SAY A THING, by Timothy Steele.

        Marcia Yudkin
        Hi Marcia, thank you for all of those very helpful links. I understand it from a poetic point of view, and I'm really interested in how rhythm captivates people and makes them continue to make the same decision again and again (to read more and more).

        Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

        If people really want what you have they'll buy it...period.

        All this BS about long, short, tall, skinny, fat, etc., is just that, BS.
        Max5ty, thanks for the opinion. You're right for the most count. But sometimes, the market is highly sophisticated, and a direct approach like an offer/benefit lead may not be the best way to go.

        In that case, pacing in its own seems to have some form of captivation and sustains attention. Attention is the new scarcity... I do think there's something to be discovered about rhythm in copy.

        Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

        You have a point. Why smell good, look good, talk good, dress good.
        If she really loves you she will marry you. Let's throw away all this
        "surface" stuff!

        Loved the rhythm of the statement I bolded, by the way.

        -Ray Edwards
        Ray, that's a very nice analogy... I'm keeping that! Haha, for the most part, we can all agree that a good offer is key to closing a sale, but the opening of a sale really starts from first impressions and sustained interest.

        Originally Posted by CopyMonster View Post

        There's a lot to be said about "saying" something well. A few years ago, I heard the CEO of a company speak. He was brilliant. Prior to hearing this guy, I'd heard dozens of CEO's and top corporate executives speak about their businesses. No others came close.

        What made him brilliant was his pacing, his enunciation, his conviction. He could have been reading out the telephone book and still be captivating.

        In my view, there are two parts to a message: the content and the delivery. If you only get to choose one, content trumps delivery.
        Yes! Exactly. Politicians themselves, train themselves to have certain pauses here and there. They speak with a rhythm, and it stirs up the crowd. The inflections, the speed of delivery, the rhythm... You can't deny that it all has an impact!

        Look at Martin Luther King's speech. It's full of a set rhythm. Sermons have a certain rhythm to them. Great sales pitches seem to have that 'rhythm' that escalates and follows the prospect's heartbeat as interest levels peak.

        Originally Posted by Bellerine View Post

        This is a funny thread!

        I agree; we don't need to write in iambic pentameter. That said, there is absolutely an art to writing that involves flow.

        Have you ever tried to read something that used commas excessively? These misplaced pauses are jarring. A complete lack of punctuation leaves you struggling to create your own pauses. Both take away from anything otherwise gained from reading the piece.

        To a lesser, but still important, degree is general rhythm. You can help a reader bounce along to your work, as unable to stop reading as he is stop tapping his foot to a catchy tune.

        Or you can completely ignore it and just deliver lyrics.

        Now, I studied poetry so maybe it is innately entrenched in the recesses of my brain. Maybe it just comes naturally to us. Either way, I don't use a a formula. I listen to what I've written and tweak where it doesn't flow the way I'd like. This approach applies to individual sentences and paragraphs as well as an overarching tempo of the whole work.

        But hey, everyone marches to the beat of their own drum ...
        I understand what you mean, Bellerine. But even politicians have to train themselves in delivery. Even Steve Jobs had a certain rhythm to his captivating presentations.

        ONE of the many reasons why whiteboard videos may work better than a control powerpoint is probably because of the flow/change in tempo of the whole script/video.

        Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys View Post

        I don't worry about rhythm in copy but I do pay attention to pacing and the visual look of the page. If the sentences or paragraphs are too long then it slows down the reading speed of the reader and increases the likelihood that they get bored and leave the page without buying.

        So I look for ways to increase the pace...

        It may be with shorter paragraphs...

        Or shorter sentences.

        It may be a single sentence broken out or even breaking out a single...

        Word.

        See what I mean?

        Hope that helps,

        Mike
        Thanks Mike, that helps. I normally do that too - copywriting advice about not eliminating widows, for example, for visual clarity. But I do think that there's more to the rhythm of copy.

        For example, easy words are read faster by prospects. Complicated words may be read slower than prospects. Bigger font is more speedily read... That's why headlines catch so much attention as well.

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        Am I getting ahead of myself here? I might be getting hypothetical over here, but I do think that rhythms are a part of copy that we often do not take into account just because of the change from salesmanship into print.

        But there's always remediation. For example, salesletters eventually 'evolved' into sales powerpoint-like presentations. And there's remediation with respect to infomercials, etc.

        Good salesmen have that knack of rhythm too. But due to the lack of feedback from written text, I think part of that ability dimmed away.

        Correct me if I'm wrong, I appreciate it.

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  • Profile picture of the author visit_faraz
    Hmm, I think rhythm in copy hasn't been discussed much. I was searching in google for rhythm in copywriting and couldn't find much. there were one or two articles being repeated in different sites and that was all.
    Maybe, people dont find it very important.
    even clayton makepeace, john carlton and shaun clarke have only one article about it(maybe it was an interview), and the 3 of them did it together.

    Faraz
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    • Profile picture of the author James Fame
      Quoting John Carlton in the link in the post I wrote...

      John Carlton December 19, 2008 at 7:10 pm
      Dude. NICE post… you’ve caught things in that letter that fly over almost everyone else’s head.

      The only time I really talk about rhythm is in seminars… because I need the visuals, and I need people to hear the cadence as I sound it out. I’ve had the best success using “Brown Sugar” by the Stones as an example: “Gold coast slaver bound for cotton fields, sold in a market down in New O’leans…”

      Not the most politically correct writing, but KILLER rhythm. Stephen King wrote while listening to AC/DC at ear-splitting volume. I don’t write to actual music, but I want the words I write to “sing” in my head.

      Your reader won’t necessarily recognize the poetry, but other writers will. You want it to be unconscious, anyway, in your prospect. (Which is why you want to keep the alliteration to a minimum, too… used sparingly, it will gut and clean a prospect like no other verbiage).

      Again, you’re showing insight far beyond what even my more grizzled colleagues have. Good job.
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      • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
        I understand it from a poetic point of view, and I'm really interested in how rhythm captivates people and makes them continue to make the same decision again and again (to read more and more).
        A key difference between the use of rhythm in poetry and in copywriting is that in poetry you want the reader/listener to notice the rhythm. But in copywriting, except for things like tag lines or radio jingles, you do not want the reader to notice your use of rhythm. And yet it can have a serious impact all the same.

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