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I want to give the right person $1000.00

by SE DON
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Update: I have found many copywriters who fit my need, and since many complained I was offering too little or simply had to use escrow etc...I prefer to work 1 on 1 with someone. Thanks again for all the feedback.
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  • Profile picture of the author shawnlebrun
    I think this is an awesome idea.

    That's one thing that has worked out VERY well here, on this board, is contests.

    That's a no-lose way to get paid. Everyone wins.

    So, I'll participate.

    I think Ross B, Mark P, Mal, Rick Duris, Steve the Copywriter, Ken C, Ewen, Mike Humphrey, Harlan, Max5ty, Brian Mcleod, Alex Cohen, Peter Brennan, Joe Ditzel, and a few others will participate as well.

    Sincerely,

    Shawn.

    P.S. I'm drunk.

    P.P.S. And sarcastic.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim R
      I don't think you're aware of how much money top copywriters actually charge for their services. If you want to sell your product, then hire someone with proven experience and be prepared to pay them accordingly.

      Framing this as 'giving the right person $1000' isn't going to attract the kind of copywriters you're looking for. If you want inexperienced writers who are willing to take a chance on this, that's what you'll get.
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by shawnlebrun View Post


      P.S. I'm drunk.
      Again?

      LOL...just kidding.

      Pejman...I know some about you and your history.

      When you come to this forum and say you want to give $1000 to the right person..it's a slap in the face to many copywriters here.

      Your cheapness is a turn off to me.

      This forum has everything from new copywriters to those who are millionaires because of their abilities.

      With your experience in corporate America, it would seem you would understand the cost of professional work.

      I may be wrong about what I'm going to say...but I doubt I am.

      I think you paid to have your page written. I doubt you wrote the site yourself...and I'm thinking you paid chicken shit wages to get what you have.

      What a shame.

      Sad thing is...

      your cheapness has only got you this far. Had you paid for quality work all along, you would be much further ahead.

      You're at the point where you realize getting any further may cost more than what you've paid on the freelance sites.

      You asked for a critique for your site in another post and were pretty much told it sucked.

      Your site is a mess.

      Your attitude is a mess.

      I know you could easily pay $1000 to have an ad written...but...

      isn't it time you quit being a coupon clipper?
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      • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
        Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

        When you come to this forum and say you want to give $1000 to the right person..it's a slap in the face to many copywriters here.

        Your cheapness is a turn off to me.
        I know I beat you up from time to time when you say stupid sh*t, max5ty.

        But today, I appreciate you for saying what you said the above.

        His cheapness is a turn off to me too. He's either clueless about compensating copywriters or trying to take advantage.

        I believe the latter.

        But it's a big world. Different copywriters have different needs. So who am I to get in the way of a little commerce?

        Regardless, I appreciate you, max5ty for taking a stand for copywriters around here.

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  • Profile picture of the author RonGold
    Like stated above, copywriters can make over $10,000 on the right piece, so of course there are going to be tons of "professional copywriters" flocking to this opportunity. Obviously I wouldn't mind $1,000; so count me in I suppose.


    Then again, won't you have 3x the amount of content without paying for it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
    Oy... This place...
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  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    SE DON, no disrespect and I'm not a candidate, but I recommend you use the services of http://escrow.com. In the past, other contest holders have failed to uphold their end of the agreement.

    This way copywriters know at least someone will be compensated. And I submit copywriters who do apply will take the opportunity more seriously as well.

    - Rick Duris
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve The Copywriter
    Despite Shawn's very kind invitation I can't participate (because of the volume of work I have - I'm not bragging, it's the way it is - and after 28 years in the copywriting game it's the way it should be).

    So please don't take what I'm about to say personally or badly. I'm writing it to try and help you.

    You do need a high calibre copywriter to transform your site into a big money spinner.

    You are in a massively competitive market - with endless, fully established big name guru's. Many with gazillions of lifetime adoring fans - throwing their money at them. And often only them, time and time again. And now there's you trying to promote the same "type" of product and results from what seems to be a standing start.

    So your acclaimed copywriter will need to dig deep to find a USP that hasn't been used 100 times.

    And new mechanisms that haven't been hammered 1000 times.

    Plus the complete range of copy tactics written with laser precision - the hook, the story, the authority, all the benefits, the immense emotional satisfaction that people will experience, with the unquestionable proof that they will. The raving testimonials, rock solid guarantee - and all the other persuasion and design techniques to compel people to buy.

    Chances are your chosen copywriter will be advising you on how to make your product totally superior to everything else on the market (you should welcome this even if it means more expense).

    Find a f****** good reason why you have dropped the price so dramatically.

    And then tell you not to (after all if this is going to become a world class product - it should sell at a first class price).

    To stand a chance in getting the "right person" you need to bump the rate up to at least $3,000 - $5,000 plus - and be willing to offer royalties.

    And although copy contests may be fun - the amount of effort needed to make your site work - means you have to find the one writer who will take the time, do the extensive research and has the sheer expertise to do this for you.

    And with your total cooperation and no doubt lots of "testing" hopefully make you a fortune (you're not likely to find this person on a "hit and hope" gig).

    Ask for recommendations. Look at copy you like and you know has proven results and seek out the writer. Search high and low do whatever it takes to find him or her and then...

    Bite the bullet and pay them.


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  • Profile picture of the author SE DON
    I dont mind paying the right person 3-5K. Our site makes massive revenue yearly as is and as bad as it seems or people feel this existing copy is, it converts VERY well on our site. I still feel like we can do better. I welcome PMs from the right people
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Originally Posted by SE DON View Post

      I dont mind paying the right person 3-5K. Our site makes massive revenue yearly as is and as bad as it seems or people feel this existing copy is, it converts VERY well on our site. I still feel like we can do better. I welcome PMs from the right people
      Part of what the copywriter would want to know is
      what the site visitor already knows or doesn't about you.

      Are they been taken direct from first awareness to this page,
      or are they seeing warm up material first?

      From this entry point we then can match the message precisely
      to what they need to hear to make the sale.

      Best,
      Ewen
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
      Originally Posted by SE DON View Post

      I dont mind paying the right person 3-5K. Our site makes massive revenue yearly as is and as bad as it seems or people feel this existing copy is, it converts VERY well on our site. I still feel like we can do better. I welcome PMs from the right people
      That being the case...

      Why was this your approach?

      It doesn't make sense to me.

      In any event...

      I hope some A-Listers have reached out to you and you're getting down to business - without this BS.

      Mark

      P.S. With the exception of one contest, this whole concept hasn't done well here on the CW Forum. I've said it before elsewhere and Rick said it here... There has to be an escrow process. So IF you're going to actually do this, set it up properly (although it doesn't sound like you're moving forward.) But hey, a good contest might attract a diamond in the rough.

      So let's say you hire one of the copywriters on here for $5,000 + 10% on the backend.

      Then follow through on the contest and split test the copy you receive against your A-lister.

      Could be interesting.

      Your little copy cub could end up beating the A-Lister. Never know, huh?
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  • Profile picture of the author stuzilla
    I know of you from other forums. Your existing sales page converts ok because that traffic knows a little more about your background and past success. To put it simply, you have a story that people can connect with. I think that will be important for you to add to your copy if you target cold leads. Just my suggestion, good luck.

    Ps. I actually have bought a copy when you first offered a promotion of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author SE DON
      Originally Posted by stuzilla View Post

      I know of you from other forums. Your existing sales page converts ok because that traffic knows a little more about your background and past success. To put it simply, you have a story that people can connect with. I think that will be important for you to add to your copy if you target cold leads. Just my suggestion, good luck.

      Ps. I actually have bought a copy when you first offered a promotion of it.
      Looking at your pic, I recognize it too

      Correct on cold lead conversions which is what we are targeting here. We do well with our existing audience. We want to reach out further.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichelleLopezCO
    Holy shit, I think I'm in heaven... I had no idea this forum existed. A forum full of copwriters? #swoon. This is my first post.

    That said... SE DON, why is your financial book series called "Stay Broke Forever"? That's not an outcome anybody wants. Change the title and move it up to the top of page, maybe?

    Something like: "How NOT to Stay Broke Forever"
    "Why Your Current Way of Thinking Will Keep You Broke Forever" ??
    "Why Your MIND is Keeping You Broke, Stuck, and Driving a Shitty Car - and How to Change It"

    "Third Cycle Theory" doesn't tell me what the page is going to do for me. It's too focused on you. You want the headline to summarize the irresistible sensation the reader is going to get from reading the rest of your page.

    I like Stuzilla's suggestion of adding in a story that people can connect with. As I'm reading, my thought is, "Who the **** is speaking to me right now?" I don't know you, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author wordwizard
      Good grief! Just checked out the sales page, and...

      Somebody has a real thing for cars, it seems. And expensive watches.

      The ad seems so negative. It's about all the things you DON'T want. It's hard to figure out what this is actually all about. I agree with Michelle about the Third Circle Theory, and Stay Broke Forever.

      And if I hadn't wanted to read it for the purpose of assessing the ad, and whether I might want to earn myself 3-5K, I would have never even made it past the first or second scroll, if that.

      And as I did scroll down, I found it hard to focus. All those screaming headlines! They give me eye fatigue.

      There's also a ton of contradiction here...

      A 10-day system in 18 phases? Uhm...

      And as I mentioned, the visual impact of the sales page just makes me cringe. It's screaming at me!

      So I'm probably not the copywriter for you...

      I prefer to write sales pages that suck you in and seduce you, and focus on stories, benefits and transformations.

      You definitely need a good one though to make this page more effective for people who don't already know, like, and trust you.

      And about the sports cars? I think one really good shot of a really cool car would be much more effective! If you even need that. And lose the watches.

      Good luck!

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  • Profile picture of the author Jennie Heckel
    Hey SEO DON,

    I looked at this site...

    The domain is www.crushbusiness.com

    It's an interesting layout and sure-fire method to grab low hanging fruit which are newbies... Generally easy to sell to and sadly (may end up being serial refunders...)

    Someone who DID know NLP and how SKIMMERS and NEWBIES react to quick fix flashy offers wrote parts of this... That's why it is getting conversions.

    I am wondering why it was written and created this way because it looks a little CHOPPED... Which means it looks like good ideas from other launches were patchworked together to create a new sales letter and design.

    I agree with the comments from pro copywriters...

    One of the concerns is what I call 'readabilty flow' and integration of 'supporting customized design elements to enhance the copy'; because there are parts where the copy and design elements jump too much...

    This causes the person to stop and feel lost... this may have been intentional for subliminal purposes, but I think that if that was the reason this may have been overdone.

    But if you just SKIM IT and LOOK at the FLASH and the WOW factor it has it has enough SELL to snag buyers...

    The social proof at the top is used to WOW and as 'real proof' that this program worked for all these guys -- so gets you past your 'B.S. meter' and you are excited enough to read the rest of the page...

    So it IS selling.

    I'm sure it could do higher sales...

    Remember some of the highest converting offers are not necessarily the prettiest ones with the FAB graphics or the most perfectly sweet slippery slide copy...

    Instead the highest converting offers give a MAGICAL ILLUSION -- they tantalize you with the promise of a 'sneak peak behind the curtain'...

    While visitors view it (read it, experience it) the sales letter transforms into a Wordsmith Magician (think Wizard of Oz Dude)...

    Effectively making you desperately want the 'hidden secret' NO ONE ELSE gets to see... and you're enticed to discover what's behind the curtain... so much you CLICK TO BUY -- subliminally and subconsciously.

    Please know from my own 16 years experience from writing copy that converts... for IM to Health Magalogs... It is sometimes UGLY sites which SEEM to be disjointed and bumpy which can SOMETIMES OUTSELL fabulously beautiful and perfectly copywritten sales letters.

    I have proven it with split tests of thousands of offers over the years.

    Some of my highest converting sales letters and designs (especially in IM and Health related products) are NOT the prettiest nor the perfectly smoothest copy...

    Why is this?

    Because as web vistors become more and more web savvy the article style -- "just let me tell you about this product and what happened to me" angles SEEM MORE REAL AND MORE MAGICAL (THIS WOULD WORK FOR ME TOO) and are converting significantly higher than the older more perfectly written 12 step style sales letters.

    The only way to know is to split test it over thousands of visitors and several months to even out differences in traffic and changes in offers, headlines, price points, guarantees and closes.

    If this offer is converting then it is worth taking a part of that income to split test other styles of offers and let the numbers speak for themselves.

    Interesting posts I must say!

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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick Brown
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    I don't know much about your attitude, but I don't like your page. NOT at all.


    No WAY, this one is not a winner!

    But of course you're making money from it because you're selling to people who already know you.

    You're doing good, but you should be doing GREAT!

    This page is lacking the basics.

    Wait, where is the story to even hook the site visitors?

    Has the chap who wrote this ever encountered the phrase 'emotional triggers' in his vocab?

    What is it exactly that you're selling here? I had to skim through this page 3 times and I still don't have an idea what it is. Hit the nail on the head stop taking the site visitor in circles.

    Clearly you need to change a few aspects.

    Get better graphics not boyish illustrations. You come off like a like a 16 year old showing off his obsession with cars!

    Get 3 better placed call-to-action buttons. And video testimonials too.

    Get a story for the readers to connect with. That's priority!

    I'm bored writing!

    Patrick.
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  • Profile picture of the author degcommunications
    My question is whether the target demographic are business owners or are you trying to communicate to internet marketers?
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  • Profile picture of the author SE DON
    Contest is pulled, I am hiring someone 1 on 1 thank you
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