My sales pages need HELP!!!

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I've been posting in another thread for advice on fixing my disaster of a website - I'd followed some coaching advice that apparently is faulty - and am looking for some direction on my website/sales page copy to fix it so thought I'd start over here.

My site: www.howtobellydance.com.

I'm hoping to get some direction on how to make the copy work - is there a formula that works on my kind of site? Is there some of it that should just be trashed altogether? If anyone has a few minutes to take a look and give me some advice, I'd sure appreciate it.

Or, if you know a couple sites that have well laid out copy that I could kind of use as a template, that would be great too. I'm looking on Clickbank for samples too.

I'm going to make my home page an entry page so people can go where they are interested, then use the individual pages more like sales pages for one particular thing, and will be redesigning the whole site once I figure out how to do the copy. My coaching didn't really focus on sales pages the way they're done now, but more on website content, so this is what my coach wanted. I'm not happy with it and neither are customers, since they're not buying much. So it's all messed up.

What I really need is more advice on what SHOULD be there (and in what order) and what should NOT be.

I'd really appreciate any help.
Jana
#pages #sales
  • Profile picture of the author tinstar
    Hi Jana,

    I'm a "nobody" here, in fact I posted requesting a critique right before you did! So take my advice for what you will.

    I visited your site and the thing that struck me right off the bat is that, in looking at the site as a new visitor, there is just so much stuff. As in, I wasn't really sure what you want me to do.

    I saw a place to sign up for a newsletter, watch a video, read some comments, class schedules etc...

    I'm new here so I'm not sure, but have you tried a page that is very, very laser focused on only one thing? I understand wanting to have one entry page for all the stuff you have to offer, but it might be hurting you I think. People have short attention spans and if they don't see specifically what they are looking for immediately, they are likely to go somewhere else.

    Just my two cents. Keep at it!
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    • Profile picture of the author jbmunchie
      Originally Posted by tinstar View Post

      Hi Jana,

      I'm a "nobody" here, in fact I posted requesting a critique right before you did! So take my advice for what you will.

      I visited your site and the thing that struck me right off the bat is that, in looking at the site as a new visitor, there is just so much stuff. As in, I wasn't really sure what you want me to do.

      I saw a place to sign up for a newsletter, watch a video, read some comments, class schedules etc...

      I'm new here so I'm not sure, but have you tried a page that is very, very laser focused on only one thing? I understand wanting to have one entry page for all the stuff you have to offer, but it might be hurting you I think. People have short attention spans and if they don't see specifically what they are looking for immediately, they are likely to go somewhere else.

      Just my two cents. Keep at it!
      Hey, thanks for the input. Send me a link to your site and I'll return the favor. I'm better at giving suggestions on other people's sites - I'm just too close to mine!

      I do know there's too much going on, and am going to split some of it out into other pages. What I'm trying to figure out is what I should leave on my main sales page (which is now my home page) if my main goal is to get email addy's and market from there. Looking at it that way, do you have any specific suggestions what to keep and what to add?
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  • Profile picture of the author icering87
    - First thing...the arrangement of the site....I was blasted with choices the copy was the last thing to look at. ( I know your redesigning)

    - the headline "Learn How to Belly Dance - Gain Self Confidence, Lose Weight, Become More Fit with our In-Studio Yoga and Bellydance Classes and Instructional Belly Dance Videos and DVD's"

    Not very interesting...I can go to amazon and learn to belly dance. You might want to make you site special for example: " learn to belly dance like the pro's" or "learn the authentic belly dance style" something interesting.

    - you say: Here’s how you can Finally learn how to Belly Dance with an experienced and qualified teacher – you’ll have fun and feel GREAT... Guaranteed!!"

    this is the same issue, what makes you more qualified than the thousands of amazon belly dancing tapes.

    - If you want me to read the sales page you should take the links off so I can't click away, you hav about 10 alternate option so I don't have to read the page.

    - You also make a fatal writing error, you start talking in the second person point of view...'your going to the store, you grab some milk, you checkout"...their no easier way to fall flat with a prospect than to trying to be psychic and then being wrong.

    Expecially with this product, I use to be a latin dance teacher, i never ran into the issue of someone coming to me because they didn't think they could, by the time they asked for lesson, they were convinced to do it. So I doubt people are coming to this page uncertain and hoping you motivate them.

    - I don't know what JC stands for...

    - You structure is off, so far you have (A) my story of sucking --> (B) --->sign up for classes---> (end)

    that's not very convincing. (You may want to address either a problem or opportunity for your prospects)----> (then show them why it's so and inside of that you throw your story in)----> (proove all of this)-----> (then present the offer.)

    - You say: "how you can become the absolute best dancer possible even with no experience"

    It's no way your convincing me of that.

    - what the overall benefit your offering? Thats important for this market, I've sold a good number of latin dance lesson by telling guys they'll increase their chance of picking up women and letting married couples know dancing is one of the best ways to add spice back in the relationship. Clear benefit.

    This goes into what I said earlier yousay: "Gain Self Confidence, Lose Weight, Become More Fit" There's so many ways to do all of those things, I can do pushups in my room and get all of those. I would let you audience know exactly what this will do for them. I helped a kickboxing studio as well and the message was "burn 800 calories a session with kickboxing" aka ultra fast weight loss. If you don't want wait, you wanna it in that bikini quick?....sign up. I recommend using the same apporach.

    - Instead of showing a video ( with HORRIBLE audio) ( I'm audio mixing engineer as well...so...that bothered me) I would show the some of the DVD content, if they learn from the sample they'll probably get the video to learn more if interested.

    - I would re-work the story, it has no resonance, You don't present an obvious reason for telling it. Create a synopsis for the story to help clarify it. Right now it's i wanted to try belly dancing, I eventually did and now I belly dance professional...

    thats boring...lets try a different approach:

    Theme= lose weight the fun way.

    main character= you and your story

    Story: , "Back in 76', I was an overweight, depressed and shy girl women...I tired all kinds of products but nothing worked for me, alteast in the long run. You see, As a teenager I suffered a debilitating illness which left me weakened and shaky, with a body that shut down to the point of storing everything I ate as fat.

    I though I would always be an ugly overweight women who would stay single for the rest of my life, thinking about suicide, I happen to notice a bellydancing class at the women's center...about to kill myself anyway, I though it would be a good joke to see what my fat and depressed ass was going to do. Well it turns out, I liked it.

    And somehow, I started losing weight( it turns out bellydancing does____)...of course I stuck with the classes and now the the video below is the new me. ( then have a before and after pic). I travel the world, get all the hot guys etc... If belly dancing could do this for me ( with an illness) I know, If you really want to lose weight and having fun doing it, this will work for you.

    I guarenteed it. After my experience I've dedicated my life to helping other women lose the weight they want and build their confidence so no women would ever have to face what I went through, that's why I offer live workshops and DVD's

    I've: (credential, testimonial and proof)"

    now that's a story.
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    • Profile picture of the author jbmunchie
      Originally Posted by icering87 View Post

      - First thing...the arrangement of the site....I was blasted with choices the copy was the last thing to look at. ( I know your redesigning)

      - the headline "Learn How to Belly Dance - Gain Self Confidence, Lose Weight, Become More Fit with our In-Studio Yoga and Bellydance Classes and Instructional Belly Dance Videos and DVD's"

      Not very interesting...I can go to amazon and learn to belly dance. You might want to make you site special for example: " learn to belly dance like the pro's" or "learn the authentic belly dance style" something interesting.

      - you say: Here’s how you can Finally learn how to Belly Dance with an experienced and qualified teacher – you’ll have fun and feel GREAT... Guaranteed!!"

      this is the same issue, what makes you more qualified than the thousands of amazon belly dancing tapes.

      - If you want me to read the sales page you should take the links off so I can't click away, you hav about 10 alternate option so I don't have to read the page.

      - You also make a fatal writing error, you start talking in the second person point of view...'your going to the store, you grab some milk, you checkout"...their no easier way to fall flat with a prospect than to trying to be psychic and then being wrong.

      Expecially with this product, I use to be a latin dance teacher, i never ran into the issue of someone coming to me because they didn't think they could, by the time they asked for lesson, they were convinced to do it. So I doubt people are coming to this page uncertain and hoping you motivate them.

      - I don't know what JC stands for...

      - You structure is off, so far you have (A) my story of sucking --> (B) --->sign up for classes---> (end)

      that's not very convincing. (You may want to address either a problem or opportunity for your prospects)----> (then show them why it's so and inside of that you throw your story in)----> (proove all of this)-----> (then present the offer.)

      - You say: "how you can become the absolute best dancer possible even with no experience"

      It's no way your convincing me of that.

      - what the overall benefit your offering? Thats important for this market, I've sold a good number of latin dance lesson by telling guys they'll increase their chance of picking up women and letting married couples know dancing is one of the best ways to add spice back in the relationship. Clear benefit.

      This goes into what I said earlier yousay: "Gain Self Confidence, Lose Weight, Become More Fit" There's so many ways to do all of those things, I can do pushups in my room and get all of those. I would let you audience know exactly what this will do for them. I helped a kickboxing studio as well and the message was "burn 800 calories a session with kickboxing" aka ultra fast weight loss. If you don't want wait, you wanna it in that bikini quick?....sign up. I recommend using the same apporach.

      - Instead of showing a video ( with HORRIBLE audio) ( I'm audio mixing engineer as well...so...that bothered me) I would show the some of the DVD content, if they learn from the sample they'll probably get the video to learn more if interested.

      - I would re-work the story, it has no resonance, You don't present an obvious reason for telling it. Create a synopsis for the story to help clarify it. Right now it's i wanted to try belly dancing, I eventually did and now I belly dance professional...

      thats boring...lets try a different approach:

      Theme= lose weight the fun way.

      main character= you and your story

      Story: , "Back in 76', I was an overweight, depressed and shy girl women...I tired all kinds of products but nothing worked for me, alteast in the long run. You see, As a teenager I suffered a debilitating illness which left me weakened and shaky, with a body that shut down to the point of storing everything I ate as fat.

      I though I would always be an ugly overweight women who would stay single for the rest of my life, thinking about suicide, I happen to notice a bellydancing class at the women's center...about to kill myself anyway, I though it would be a good joke to see what my fat and depressed ass was going to do. Well it turns out, I liked it.

      And somehow, I started losing weight( it turns out bellydancing does____)...of course I stuck with the classes and now the the video below is the new me. ( then have a before and after pic). I travel the world, get all the hot guys etc... If belly dancing could do this for me ( with an illness) I know, If you really want to lose weight and having fun doing it, this will work for you.

      I guarenteed it. After my experience I've dedicated my life to helping other women lose the weight they want and build their confidence so no women would ever have to face what I went through, that's why I offer live workshops and DVD's

      I've: (credential, testimonial and proof)"

      now that's a story.
      I agree with you that the story doesn't flow and that a lot of it is just... weird. That was what my coach wanted, and I've worked on it a bit since breaking off with him, but I also was thinking he was a pro who knew better than me, so.... but I agree with your points.

      It's hard to come up with FABULOUS reasons to buy from me - I'm just another bellydancer. But I HAVE danced professionally over 30 years, I HAVE danced with the Big Name Diva's in the industry and I DO understand the challenges of learning to dance for those who haven't before. There is a point to the part about "if you never thought you could really learn to bellydance" - a LOT of women tell me they've always wanted to learn but never thought they could. It is an intimidating dance form to most women, and some of them think it's too sexy, even though it doesn't have to be - that depends on their comfort zone. So that's why that's in there. I based some of my copy on my most frequently asked questions when I talk to the ladies after a performance.

      Yes, I know the audio's bad. No idea why, so I'm redoing it. The original video is fine. My other sample videos on the DVD's page are also fine (where I do teach steps). But I like the idea of teaching something on the main page - that makes sense to me. I'm also thinking of offering a video (online) mini-class free with email signup.

      I like your story line, sarcasm and all. Let me see what I can do with that in a little more 'finished' manner It was originally along the line of what I wanted to do, but my coach muddied the waters a lot with stuff that he was attached to putting in or changing.

      My process now is thinning out the front page, moving some of the stuff off to other pages, and working it more like a sales page than an info-page (which is what it is now). I like your story line idea and think I'll link that to an online class series (free with signup) and then run the newsletter for sales. I'll do an ENTER page to sift people onto the pages they're interested in, instead of letting them wander off, as you mentioned. That makes more sense to me.

      One question.... do you think the testimonials are good? Too many? Belong elsewhere?

      Thanks again for taking the time for feedback. You've got some great points and I will take your advice to heart. If I can be of any assistance in return - a fresh set of eyes on a project, for instance - please let me know. I'd love to help.
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  • Profile picture of the author Darrel Hawes
    It's not just about the copy, but the whole package: design, offer, etc.

    I would do the following:

    1. Center the website. It is currently left-aligned, at least in Firefox.

    2. Simplify your front page dramatically. Make it a squeeze page. Have a video auto-play with a prominent form to sign up to get a freebie. You can segment the list later.

    Maybe the freebie could be a short course on your topic, maybe a series of videos?

    3. Follow up via autoresponder.

    4. Consider switching your site to Wordpress. You could easily manage your content and keep your blog on the same domain.

    Bottom line: you're hitting the visitors with too much up front. Figure out what would appeal most of your prospects as a freebie, give that away, and follow up from there.

    Later you can create separate landing pages for different interests, and have a separate marketing funnel for each.
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    I've seen your site a few times before. My girlfriend teaches
    bellydance as well so I got to know what people were doing
    with the topic online.

    The major problem is that your site has no clear FOCUS -
    what people are supposed to do. Since your criteria is
    pretty spread-out you are creating problems (in my opinion)
    by trying to have one site do everything all at once.

    It is not so much that you cannot have a site selling a
    lot of things and do well with it - but if you do it is essential
    that the various offers are presented in a logical and
    non-confusing manner.

    Here, we have a mash-up because you've chosen bizarre
    colors and baroque buttons to start - makes it look like an
    amateur site from 1999, except for the video of course.

    Your story is good, but it's so buried in a headache-inducing
    layout it is likely people are not reading it - and even if they
    do there is no clear, specific call-to-action. Instead there
    is nothing but choice... too much choice.

    You need to make up your mind if your site is to enroll local
    students, get bookings, or sell instructional DVDs. All of these
    are different objectives and to do each effectively I suggest
    you move towards having a site (or clearly delineated section)
    for each.

    __________________________

    In scrolling up and re-reading your post, Jana, it seems you've
    come to realize some of the things I suggested and also this:
    Authority Site Marketing sucks! It's a lot of work and it runs
    contrary to proven money-getting principles of direct-response.

    What you really need is OFFERS which are so good you can
    buy traffic to them and make money. Forget about SEO and
    free traffic - the real litmus test of a successful direct-response
    site is whether you can make money with space ads and
    Adwords. You have the products (your own instructional
    system), now you need a commitment to building a list of
    loyal customers who buy almost everything you produce.
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    • Profile picture of the author jbmunchie
      Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

      I've seen your site a few times before. My girlfriend teaches
      bellydance as well so I got to know what people were doing
      with the topic online.

      The major problem is that your site has no clear FOCUS -
      what people are supposed to do. Since your criteria is
      pretty spread-out you are creating problems (in my opinion)
      by trying to have one site do everything all at once.

      It is not so much that you cannot have a site selling a
      lot of things and do well with it - but if you do it is essential
      that the various offers are presented in a logical and
      non-confusing manner.

      Here, we have a mash-up because you've chosen bizarre
      colors and baroque buttons to start - makes it look like an
      amateur site from 1999, except for the video of course.

      Your story is good, but it's so buried in a headache-inducing
      layout it is likely people are not reading it - and even if they
      do there is no clear, specific call-to-action. Instead there
      is nothing but choice... too much choice.

      You need to make up your mind if your site is to enroll local
      students, get bookings, or sell instructional DVDs. All of these
      are different objectives and to do each effectively I suggest
      you move towards having a site (or clearly delineated section)
      for each.

      __________________________

      In scrolling up and re-reading your post, Jana, it seems you've
      come to realize some of the things I suggested and also this:
      Authority Site Marketing sucks! It's a lot of work and it runs
      contrary to proven money-getting principles of direct-response.

      What you really need is OFFERS which are so good you can
      buy traffic to them and make money. Forget about SEO and
      free traffic - the real litmus test of a successful direct-response
      site is whether you can make money with space ads and
      Adwords. You have the products (your own instructional
      system), now you need a commitment to building a list of
      loyal customers who buy almost everything you produce.
      Excellent point - and yes, my coach at the time WAS working from an Authority Site perspective. I do make some sales, but not nearly as many as I should be.

      Since you know the industry a bit, what would you suggest (once I get my site redone) for buying ads? I do adwords now, (and of course am not doing so great at the moment), but are there other places to advertise that make sense? This is the biggest piece of the puzzle I'm missing once the site is up to par. I never got that far in any of my coaching series, as the coaches always had their own agenda and never managed to get back around to mine!

      It's very frustrating starting all this over, but hopefully it will be worth it. I'm a GOOD teacher, I teach national workshops now (which I'll add to my site) and have performed &/or studied with some of the best dancers in the world. I have recently developed arthritis in my ankles, though, and may have to stop dancing at some point, so it's even more important to me to make this work - I have no other income and it IS my passion in life, so I really need to find a way to bring it all together.

      So thanks again for all your help. I do really appreciate it!
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