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Hi guys

I'm a copywriter with a long and varied track record, but I just got round to producing my own site.

I'd love to know your opinions as I have been either brave or stupid by going against the grain with my choice of imagery, name, more or less everything.

My Secret | Covert Copywriting

I await the pain!

It is a work in progress and I have lots of small fixes, but this was the first site I have built and eventually you need to put it out there and see what people think!
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  • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
    First impression, I don`t get the sense of this being the site of a copywriter with a long track record

    I don`t see any attempts at positioning - what's your unique hook?
    I don't see specialization- what niches do you excel in?
    I don't see personalization - the "who am I" link has a grocery list of services...but tells me nothing about you.
    Photo caption is clunky. My first thought is "not a native English speaker."
    Your "secret?" - Well, what is it? The copy doesn't say anything to answer your headline. Okay, words are powerful. I get that. But if that's the big secret, I'm not impressed.

    You could be cranking out double digit response rates. But how would I know that by looking at this site? Whether you're a seasoned pro or amateur, perception is what matters. My perception is that this is the site of a newbie. Why not take that long track record and apply what it's taught you to reworking this page?
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    • Profile picture of the author CovertCopywriting
      First of thank you for the feedback, it's all gratefully received!

      As for the track record, it's mentioned on page one, I've been at it for 15 years, and the portfolio has a lot of examples.

      I did have longer copy on the first page that went in to my experience in greater depth, but opted against it for the sake of readability.

      Who Am I has my work history, too, a brief one but still a bit of my history. Again that startedout as 400 words, but it just seemed too much for the page.

      Honestly speaking 'My Secret' is more of an issue with my design skills. It said 'HOME' in massive letters and I just wanted something different. I can revisit that!

      As for the specialities, maybe you're right there! I've put them in right at the start.

      Clunky caption? You spotted a mistake! So thanks! Why ended in there randomly, so thank you!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim R
    I agree with what Seth said.

    To be honest, I think it's kind of all over the place. Not a fan of the header and the picture of the snake, and just looks kind of messy overall.

    Why wouldn't you put a link to your portfolio in the top menu bar? You don't know if people are going to scroll all the way down and see it on the side menu.

    Speaking of your portfolio, are you trying to get work as a copywriter or a journalist? If people are looking to hire you as a copywriter, do they really care about articles that you've published in a newspaper? These are the first samples that you give, and prospects could easily use this as a reason to click away from your site.

    Lead with your strongest sample.
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    • Profile picture of the author CovertCopywriting
      Again thanks for the input, My Work is the link to my portfolio. It's the first one there. If you missed it then I guess that could be an issue!

      As for the journalism samples, I think it shows a depth of experience. I'm not appealing to journalism with this site, but I think it shows my skills and the fact that I have reached the top as a writer.

      Journalism is competitive, so I think it is worth showing my heritage. One guy is saying you look like a newbie and the other is saying don't show your past. The journalism stuff is down the bottom because you're right, I'm leading with direct mail, but I think it has a place. I'm happy to listen to opinions though!

      As for design, definitely it could improve that's why I'm asking!

      I appreciate any and all comments.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim R
    Click on the portfolio link on the side menu on your site. The first things that come up are your articles. Any direct mail samples are way down the bottom.

    Being successful as a journalist doesn't mean anything when it comes to making money for potential copywriting clients. If you looked at the sites for the top copywriters going around, you won't see them posting samples of newspaper articles.

    I know it seems like you're showing your versatility, but effectively you're just diluting your message.
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  • Profile picture of the author joe golfer
    --Dimensionalize the benefits in your bullets more.
    --Do lay people know or care about NLP?
    --Tell me some of the benefits I will find if I follow your link to the blog.
    --"get in touch today..." Don't make me think. Link to the contact page from that text or include a contact box right on the homepage. Might want to change the homepage from a post to a page, or somehow hide the comment box.
    --Add some testimonials on the homepage.
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  • Profile picture of the author CovertCopywriting
    Tim

    That's interesting, when I click on it the Direct Mail is at the top, followed by press releases with articles at the bottom. That's the way it should be, the way I designed it. Strange!

    As for your point, you may be right. I'll put some thought into that one as I have other examples to put up anyway.

    Cheers for the input!
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim R
      Originally Posted by CovertCopywriting View Post

      That's interesting, when I click on it the Direct Mail is at the top, followed by press releases with articles at the bottom. That's the way it should be, the way I designed it. Strange!
      Cheers for the input!
      It's because you've got different links set up. The one you are talking about goes to /my-work/ but the link in the side menu goes to /category/portfolio.

      I'd get rid of the latter, as you don't want them to have to scroll through samples they might have no interest in.
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      • Profile picture of the author CovertCopywriting
        Thanks! I did make some changes as I built it and that's definitely one of the snags left in the system. I appreciate it!
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  • Profile picture of the author CovertCopywriting
    And Joe thanks, you make some good points!
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  • Profile picture of the author ThomasOMalley
    Very weak for a copywriter's site. Your headline is terrible: "My Secret." I wouldn't hire you just based on your homepage.

    Your quote from Orwell doesn't add anything.

    You need a real service business website...check out Dan Furman's book, Do the Web Write, on how to write service business website. Dan Furman is a copywriter as well.

    You need to go back to the drawing board.

    Of course, you will complain about what I said...then why did you ask for feedback in the first place?
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    • Profile picture of the author CovertCopywriting
      Not complaining, I have found it much easier to do other people's stuff than my own. Maybe you lose a little objectivity on your own stuff And I am confident enough in my own ability, clients love my stuff and I have worked for some of the biggest names out there.

      I have chopped and changed this so much that I might have lost the focus a little.

      I explained that headline about five posts up. I wanted to change the huge 'HOME' header...

      The quote from Orwell, I think you're wrong but I respect your opinion.

      My idea in the end was to have about five or six header images, different quotes and different emotions.

      The idea is to make a strong impression, rather than the million of cookie cutter business service websites with a typewriter at a jaunty angle. That, or a straight on shot of the writer, seems to be the site of choice for literally every other copywriter in the world.

      None of them stand out. That is my thinking. I don't remember the sites with a random typewriter, but the site with a snake, that I'd remember.
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      • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
        Nick, why have you gone away from your brand name,
        Covert Copywriting?

        The reader will feel cheated because there was nothing
        to learn about covert copywriting.

        Best,
        Ewen
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        • Profile picture of the author CovertCopywriting
          That's the service I am offering. It's a company name. And the whole front page is offering covert copywriting and breaking down exactly what it is. So I don't really get what your point.
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  • Profile picture of the author joe golfer
    I see where Ewen is going. "Covert" is a great word, and the domain name is a good one. But the initial graphics and copy don't support that theme in my opinion. Just free associating: To me, covert suggests undercover operations, spy-vs-spy, secret techniques, international intrigue, black ops, surveillance, dossiers, Mission Impossible, double agents in train stations, etc.

    I'm not saying to go "over the top" with goofy pictures of spies, etc.

    But the image of the snake, while dramatic and cool, does not suggest "covert."

    The copy supports the theme a little better with the idea of "hidden power" but it's still doesn't connect to "covert" to me. Maybe give an example of a "turn of the phrase" that might lose a sale. Go ahead and reveal a "covert technique" that they can use immediately in their copy.

    Not sure if I explained that right, but there you go.
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    • Profile picture of the author CovertCopywriting
      Interesting point! I did have snipers and army stuff on there and just felt it was too male. The snake struck me as a good compromise!

      As for more information, everything suggested would bloat the front page up to 400 plus, which feels too long for the quick introduction.
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      • Profile picture of the author shawnlebrun
        Originally Posted by CovertCopywriting View Post

        As for more information, everything suggested would bloat the front page up to 400 plus, which feels too long for the quick introduction.
        Nick, is that true... or is it just what YOU think.

        Remember, an important skill as a copywriter is to be able to put yourself COMPLETELY into your prospects' shoes.

        Would THEY think it's too long if you added the things that were suggested?

        Remember, copy only needs to be as long as it NEEDS to be... to cover all the important selling points... while keeping it short enough to hold interest.

        Shorter isn't necessarily better, just for the sake of having it short.

        What would YOU want to read if you were looking for a copywriter? A brief snippet or enough copy where you trust, like, relate, bond, build credibility, etc...

        The funny thing is, if you're a copywriter, you should know that sales letters follow a certain structure. Copy is assembled not "written" per se.

        And yet, your letter fails to follow a certain "persuasion" structure.

        To quote Michael Masterson's book "The Architecture of Persuasion"... your site has no architecture at all.

        Now, you can probably agree that often times, it can be hardest to write copy for OURSELVES... to sell ourselves. Most of the students I've trained have told me that it's been much easier to write a piece for a client than to write their own self-promo piece.

        But, it's important because that self-promo piece may often times be the one sample that gets the phone ringing.

        So, go back to your roots as a copywriter and follow what you know... and create a short letter based on the most important elements of persuasion... Problem, Promise, Proof, Call to Action, etc..
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        • Profile picture of the author CovertCopywriting
          It's all true, but to an extent...

          Don't take this the wrong way, but I suspect a lot of the responses on here are from people indoctrinated into the world of the landing page. Not everybody wants to see that and I work with people outside of internet marketing.

          The site needs to appeal to them too.
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          • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
            Originally Posted by CovertCopywriting View Post

            It's all true, but to an extent...

            Don't take this the wrong way, but I suspect a lot of the responses on here are from people indoctrinated into the world of the landing page. Not everybody wants to see that and I work with people outside of internet marketing.

            The site needs to appeal to them too.
            Just a tip...

            When you ask people for feedback, you might want to hold off on the debating and explaining. It's a turn off. Makes us not want to invest our time into helping.
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            • Profile picture of the author CovertCopywriting
              A fair point, I am just presenting the fact that a high street bank would not want to see the typical internet landing page. You know what I mean surely?

              I will make separate landing pages for this kind of thing. If you look at the portfolio, particularly the insolvency service and the Global Investment Solutions piece, that I know exactly what you mean with pain points, sucking the reader through the story etc. But it's not always appropriate. That's what I'm saying.
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              • Profile picture of the author James Fame
                From a marketing perspective, I think the problem's with the offer. Have you seen good puppy-dog closes? They come with a strong guarantee. Guarantees are going to 'covertly' display your confidence in your ability.

                Your call to action here is to get them to contact you, but do you have something that tells them that you won't waste their time?

                Given that if your client is a HS bank, what differentiates you from the other copywriters really? I don't see a point of difference anywhere except for a track record. I don't think other copywriters lack track records either, it's a basic technique. Isn't showing difference one of the basic functions of copy? I think that's what the other copywriters were talking about in terms of branding. It's not even about the length when you're not hitting the right buttons.

                Maybe you could focus on what you can bring to your customer. Why are you a good match?

                At the start, you talk about why they need a good copywriter. In that case, why would you put "my pitch" as a headline? The theme is completely contradictory.

                On one hand, you're assuming they have zero awareness about their problem, especially in your lead. And then your headline seems to be based on the assumption that they are already searching for a copywriter. I think you need to be more specific about your prospect's mindset when he/she stumbles on your page.

                Show instead of telling... In my humble opinion, the problem with the copy is the offer, tone, point-of-difference and the theme.

                -James
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                • Profile picture of the author CovertCopywriting
                  James and everyone else

                  I took a step back from it and you are right! I have fallen into the trap I tell clients not to, ever... I have tried to appeal to everyone, thinking the site had to work across the board.

                  The answer is that it doesn't. I can make two sites and two brands, which should solve this problem quite neatly!

                  Covert Copywriting will become the Direct Mail and Landing Page brand and I can have a much cosier, friendly brand for Content Marketing for banks. It means I can go racier with my original branding for Covert, snipers and spies!

                  It's what I should have done from the start, sometimes you don't see the wood for the trees. So thank you for your input!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
    Ewen is right.

    You have a brandable name. Yet there's ZERO branding.

    There's also ZERO hook or positioning.

    Here's something your copy doesn't acknowledge...

    When prospects read a copywriter's website or sales letter, they're looking for proof that you know how to enter a conversation, lead that conversation, agitate their fears, wants, needs and desires...

    ...then prove you're capable of generating the kind of profits they're seeking.

    Your copy leads me to believe you don't even know what prospects ultimately want. "Oh man, if this guy could come up with a hook for me like he did here, money would rain down on me!"

    You're not hitting any pain points, connecting with people's hatred for leaving money on the table (that your copy would mop up)... or setting yourself apart from the competition.

    Your copy is just white noise.

    Start over.

    Go back to your branding. It's a good idea that could have legs - IF you position it right.

    Here's something else...

    Your current copy leads me to believe you don't have a clue who your avatar is.

    Get clear on your ideal customer and tell a story that aligns you with them - so they feel like you're one of them.

    Here's some advice...

    It's easier to connect with prospects who have larger budgets... than potential clients who believe $197 is a lot to invest in copy.

    The price point mentality of your avatar needs to be clear.

    Because the way you talk to people who have already made good money with copywriters in the past know what they're looking for.

    And it ain't what you've got on your website right now.

    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author ThomasOMalley
    Don't give this guy any more feedback...he doesn't want any which is pretty typical here on WF.

    My policy from now on is to tell anyone who asks for a critique that their sales page or website is fantastic and then secretly laugh to myself as I type that.
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