Do You Want To Be The Best... Or Not?

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There are a lot of copywriters. More everyday.

But when you actually get some controls under your belt, you're in the company of an elite few.

In other words...

The copy world is pretty small - when your campaigns are among those that gain any real, long-term traction.

Here's the thing...

I don't see enough copywriters - who are just starting out on their journey - seeing the bigger picture.

What IS the bigger picture?

In a word...

Performance.

Your copy has to perform better than the best.

Stone Cold Steve Austin once said, "If you're not in WWE to become champion and succeed, then you're in the wrong business."

He went on...

"And becoming champion isn't just a matter of carrying the hardware or making more money. It's the opportunity to assume the position of leadership. It's the chance to become responsible more than anyone else for putting an ass in the seats every eighteen inches. In old-school wrestling lingo, that means a full house is there to see you."

Whether you're a pro-wrassling fan or not, Steve is absolutely correct.

And it's true for copywriters too.

If you're not in this business to have more controls to beat than every other copywriter on this board... and beyond... you've got no reason to keep going.

Producing copy that performs the best IS your business.

That's the hope you're giving every client who pays you.

That's the hope you're commanding every project with - whether it's your own... or someone else's deal.

I've seen quite a few people - over the years - decide they wanted to become copywriters and post their stuff here for critique.

Most of the time...

It sucks. Horribly.

Some have taken their punches and moved onto become someone in this business. I can think of just a few. Literally.

So I'm gonna tell aspiring copywriters four things I wish someone told me - when I first started out in this results-based-business:

1) Everything you write for your own business needs to demonstrate your ability to create a hook, exhibit positioning, have a clear CTA and command a unique, clear voice.

2) Your business model should never be a one-off type pay structure. Because copy rarely fires on all cylinders right outta the gate. There's always work that needs to be done on the way towards getting a VSL produced or a sales letter primed for launch. (Then once the launch occurs, you need to adjust. What worked? What didn't?) Charge enough to not be worrying about where your next project is coming from. (Front AND backend.)

3) Don't boast about your past successes. Sure, show them - of you want. But just because you wrote massively successful copy for one person's launch does NOT mean you will for the next 10 people. It just doesn't work that way. Anyone who says different is selling something or lying. (I'd love to see the debate on this. And yes, if you're in for the long term, there aren't failures - just setbacks.)

4) Realize that your clients will very often get in the way of a campaign's success. Part of being a successful copywriter is also knowing you're a life coach. Help people get out of their own way. Be willing to challenge clients on their beliefs and assumptions.

This is your business.

Don't come here asking questions.

See what works.

Adjust.

And take that knowledge; that awareness into your client projects.

Likewise...

Create and sell some of your own products.

Be successful. On your own. Because people will wonder why you aren't. You should wonder why too. If you're a copywriter who performs, you better be your #1 client. (That would be #5.)

The point is...

You're here to carve out your own niche.

I'm not saying to refrain from receiving mentoring. But if you're gonna make a HUGE impact, it needs to come from your own experience.

Also...

Since this IS a business... since you ARE your own brand... since this isn't just a job...

Get crystal-frickin-clear about your business model and how you want to lead clients. Make sure that comes through in your own pitch.

Mark

P.S. Having thick skin isn't saying enough. You can't ever take anything personal in this business. Even the greats have had more than their fair share of complete bombs. What works might be something you can swipe, but the mood is always changing; what works is always evolving. Set the tone. Don't just follow.
  • Intense stuff from Mr Pescetti.

    And sage advice.

    Just remember to add one vital ingredient, enjoy what you're doing.

    And from time to time have some fun.


    Steve


    P.S. For goodness sake this post isn't intended to start another "Steve, you mustn't ever, ever use humor in your Ads"

    Because I sometimes do - no matter what you all say.
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  • This is just one more reason why playing the "cheap sales letter" game isn't worth it in the long run.

    A lot of copywriters think "well if I just charge what I see people asking on Warriors For Hire, I'll get more jobs."

    And on the flipside, a lot of clients think "well I'm just a new guy starting out, I can only afford to pay a few hundred bucks for copy."

    It's flawed thinking on the part of both of them.

    Copywriting isn't something you can do half assed.

    I think a lot of people imagine that a copywriter just sits down, bangs out a sales letter and hands it to you, and then you've got your license to print money.

    Doesn't work that way.

    Part of being a good copywriter means writing the letter, then STICKING AROUND while the split test is running, and then TWEAKING CONTINUALLY until the copy beats the controls.

    You don't just pay some nickle and dime copywriter to bang out a sales letter as fast as possible and hope it works.

    It's like buying a lottery ticket.

    Or perhaps more accurately, it's like hiring a lawyer to represent you and saying "well I only have 500 bucks."

    Well...

    ... Sooner or later you'll probably find a lawyer who'll tell you to enter a guilty plea for 200 bucks, but at that point, you're better off just doing it on your own.

    REAL copywriting is a process that's aimed toward a specific result.

    It's not like SEO content or something where frankly practically any combination of words will do the trick... It's more like being a salesman.

    There's an art to it and it takes a lot of time and it works better when everybody involved (writer AND client) realizes this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
      Originally Posted by Andy The Copywriter View Post


      I think a lot of people imagine that a copywriter just sits down, bangs out a sales letter and hands it to you, and then you've got your license to print money.

      Doesn't work that way.

      Part of being a good copywriter means writing the letter, then STICKING AROUND while the split test is running, and then TWEAKING CONTINUALLY until the copy beats the controls.

      You don't just pay some nickle and dime copywriter to bang out a sales letter as fast as possible and hope it works.

      It's like buying a lottery ticket.
      Great post Andy.

      I especially dig the bit above.

      You're right. A lot of people do think hiring a copywriter is like having a license to print money. That's even truer when they're paying in the $20,000 range (or more.)

      Long term thinking needs to take center stage.

      The whole, "How fast can you get it done" thing... (From the client's perspective.)

      Or...

      "I need to whip this out - so I can get paid and start my next project" (from the copywriter's perspective) insanity needs to shift.

      Sure...

      There will always be people who think (like you said,) "I'm just starting out. So I shouldn't spend more than a couple hundred bucks on copy."

      Same goes the other way...

      There will always be copywriters willing to live hand-to-mouth.

      But it doesn't have to be that way.

      Can be it scary for a copywriter to make that adjustment in their business model?

      Hell yeah!

      Will it ultimately pay off?

      Yes. As long as they're 100% committed.

      Good stuff.

      Mark
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    This is my first post on these forums. However, this is really useful to people just starting out.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnRussell
    Another perspective on controls...

    You don't always have to beat the best as you describe it. Often big publishing companies have controls that go stale -- their lists have seen the promo too many times or whatever so the response rate begins to decline.

    As a copywriter, you can swoop in and beat the control where it is performing at now - you don't have to beat where it was at it's height of response...although that would be nice.

    It's a subtle point but it's important.

    Sometimes the big guys just want fresh ideas that give a little surge in response. And it's not a deal killer for your next project if the copy doesn't last for years...although, again, it would be nice.

    My point is this...

    A lot of guys could do much bigger projects if they didn't think they already had to write like Carlton before approaching real clients.

    Results are paramount. But balls have their place too. You'll never know if you have the chops if you stick with $200 copy jobs that never get tested with real traffic anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
      Originally Posted by JohnRussell View Post

      Another perspective on controls...

      You don't always have to beat the best as you describe it. Often big publishing companies have controls that go stale -- their lists have seen the promo too many times or whatever so the response rate begins to decline.

      As a copywriter, you can swoop in and beat the control where it is performing at now - you don't have to beat where it was at it's height of response...although that would be nice.

      It's a subtle point but it's important.
      Since you're coming from an Agora background, I get it. I know how they function.

      They're constantly trying to beat their own controls. I can't say I agree with how they do it. But that's another story entirely. ;-)

      Originally Posted by JohnRussell View Post

      My point is this...

      A lot of guys could do much bigger projects if they didn't think they already had to write like Carlton before approaching real clients.

      Results are paramount. But balls have their place too. You'll never know if you have the chops if you stick with $200 copy jobs that never get tested with real traffic anyway.
      When I boxed, I always aimed at getting someone much, much better than me in the ring. I liked to fight up. It made me a better fighter. And I always won. 55/0. Because the fights were super clean.

      Whereas...

      When I sparred with less skilled fighters, I had a more difficult time.

      My point?

      I believe it's actually easier to aim for the best...

      ...which includes positioning yourself for higher paydays, working with top product developers... and watching REAL, targeted traffic being driven to your copy.

      When I see newer copywriters come down the pike, their campaigns are often trying to educate prospects on the value of copy.

      Why?

      Because they're still trying to convince themselves about the power of copy.

      What works better?

      Simple.

      Go after people who KNOW the value of copy... and demonstrate that you're their guy. Savvy marketers can sniff out a copywriter with the ability to convert for them.

      When you work with people who know how to pull off a successful launch (and no, I'm not just talking about copy,) you're more likely to look golden.

      On the flip side...

      When you work with someone who thinks $200 is a risk, it's rarely a clean experience, which can damage your confidence AND credibility.

      Again...

      Thinking long term...

      Do you want to take on a client who never had a chance to test your copy the way it needed to be? (Hurting your reputation - when the campaign fails?)

      Or...

      Work with clients who pay you enough (front and bacK) to remain on the project - until it converts to everyone's loftiest expectations? (Making you look like a million bucks?)

      Mark

      P.S. Since Agora has freelancers sign an NDA, we often don't get to know who wrote what... the bombs or the successes. On a personal note, I'd love to see them test copy that doesn't get mutilated by their committee. There's a big difference between KNOWING what converts... and getting caught up in semantics. Just saying. ;-)
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    Originally Posted by Mark Pescetti View Post

    There are a lot of copywriters. More everyday.

    But when you actually get some controls under your belt, you're in the company of an elite few.

    In other words...

    The copy world is pretty small - when your campaigns are among those that gain any real, long-term traction.

    Here's the thing...

    I don't see enough copywriters - who are just starting out on their journey - seeing the bigger picture.

    What IS the bigger picture?

    In a word...

    Performance.

    Your copy has to perform better than the best.

    Stone Cold Steve Austin once said, "If you're not in WWE to become champion and succeed, then you're in the wrong business."

    He went on...

    "And becoming champion isn't just a matter of carrying the hardware or making more money. It's the opportunity to assume the position of leadership. It's the chance to become responsible more than anyone else for putting an ass in the seats every eighteen inches. In old-school wrestling lingo, that means a full house is there to see you."

    Whether you're a pro-wrassling fan or not, Steve is absolutely correct.

    And it's true for copywriters too.

    If you're not in this business to have more controls to beat than every other copywriter on this board... and beyond... you've got no reason to keep going.

    Producing copy that performs the best IS your business.

    That's the hope you're giving every client who pays you.

    That's the hope you're commanding every project with - whether it's your own... or someone else's deal.

    I've seen quite a few people - over the years - decide they wanted to become copywriters and post their stuff here for critique.

    Most of the time...

    It sucks. Horribly.

    Some have taken their punches and moved onto become someone in this business. I can think of just a few. Literally.

    So I'm gonna tell aspiring copywriters four things I wish someone told me - when I first started out in this results-based-business:

    1) Everything you write for your own business needs to demonstrate your ability to create a hook, exhibit positioning, have a clear CTA and command a unique, clear voice.

    2) Your business model should never be a one-off type pay structure. Because copy rarely fires on all cylinders right outta the gate. There's always work that needs to be done on the way towards getting a VSL produced or a sales letter primed for launch. (Then once the launch occurs, you need to adjust. What worked? What didn't?) Charge enough to not be worrying about where your next project is coming from. (Front AND backend.)

    3) Don't boast about your past successes. Sure, show them - of you want. But just because you wrote massively successful copy for one person's launch does NOT mean you will for the next 10 people. It just doesn't work that way. Anyone who says different is selling something or lying. (I'd love to see the debate on this. And yes, if you're in for the long term, there aren't failures - just setbacks.)

    4) Realize that your clients will very often get in the way of a campaign's success. Part of being a successful copywriter is also knowing you're a life coach. Help people get out of their own way. Be willing to challenge clients on their beliefs and assumptions.

    This is your business.

    Don't come here asking questions.

    See what works.

    Adjust.

    And take that knowledge; that awareness into your client projects.

    Likewise...

    Create and sell some of your own products.

    Be successful. On your own. Because people will wonder why you aren't. You should wonder why too. If you're a copywriter who performs, you better be your #1 client. (That would be #5.)

    The point is...

    You're here to carve out your own niche.

    I'm not saying to refrain from receiving mentoring. But if you're gonna make a HUGE impact, it needs to come from your own experience.

    Also...

    Since this IS a business... since you ARE your own brand... since this isn't just a job...

    Get crystal-frickin-clear about your business model and how you want to lead clients. Make sure that comes through in your own pitch.

    Mark

    P.S. Having thick skin isn't saying enough. You can't ever take anything personal in this business. Even the greats have had more than their fair share of complete bombs. What works might be something you can swipe, but the mood is always changing; what works is always evolving. Set the tone. Don't just follow.
    Great post Mark, just what the Dr. Ordered.
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    • Profile picture of the author wordwizard
      Originally Posted by Mark Pescetti View Post

      There are a lot of copywriters. More everyday.

      But when you actually get some controls under your belt, you're in the company of an elite few.

      [...]

      So I'm gonna tell aspiring copywriters four things I wish someone told me - when I first started out in this results-based-business:

      1) Everything you write for your own business needs to demonstrate your ability to create a hook, exhibit positioning, have a clear CTA and command a unique, clear voice.

      2) Your business model should never be a one-off type pay structure. Because copy rarely fires on all cylinders right outta the gate. There's always work that needs to be done on the way towards getting a VSL produced or a sales letter primed for launch. (Then once the launch occurs, you need to adjust. What worked? What didn't?) Charge enough to not be worrying about where your next project is coming from. (Front AND backend.)

      3) Don't boast about your past successes. Sure, show them - of you want. But just because you wrote massively successful copy for one person's launch does NOT mean you will for the next 10 people. It just doesn't work that way. Anyone who says different is selling something or lying. (I'd love to see the debate on this. And yes, if you're in for the long term, there aren't failures - just setbacks.)

      4) Realize that your clients will very often get in the way of a campaign's success. Part of being a successful copywriter is also knowing you're a life coach. Help people get out of their own way. Be willing to challenge clients on their beliefs and assumptions.

      This is your business.

      Don't come here asking questions.

      See what works.

      Adjust.

      And take that knowledge; that awareness into your client projects.

      Likewise...

      Create and sell some of your own products.

      Be successful. On your own. Because people will wonder why you aren't. You should wonder why too. If you're a copywriter who performs, you better be your #1 client. (That would be #5.)

      [...]
      Wow, this thread gave me lots of A-Ha moments, starting with your great advice here, Mark, especially point number 5. I'll have to print your points out and stick them on my wall!

      It's so easy to forget to take care of your own stuff first, and yet, it's a huge mistake (i.e., not to write your best copy for yourself) (one I feel very guilty of). High time to change that.

      Another thing that really hit home... Andy's comment (and your reply) about some people thinking we just "bang out" a salesletter... I cringe every time one of my clients tells me to "Bang out ..." an email, a landing page, etc.

      I think there's a connection.

      Thanks, Mark!
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    I don't want to be the best. Just good enough to be in the 1% club.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
      Originally Posted by copyassassin View Post

      I don't want to be the best. Just good enough to be in the 1% club.
      Sometimes the 1% Club isn't enough.

      Case in point...

      I recently did a herpes VSL. It's converting at 1.6% on PPC traffic. The control product converted at 2.6% with the same ads.

      We're re-doing the lead to test against the current.

      1% ain't enough.

      Just saying.

      Mark

      P.S. In your other thread Adam, you talk about the three different kinds of copywriters. Well, in this case, we're playing with the hook, headline, design and lead. Does that make me the conversion guy, hook dude... or NLPer?

      P.P.S. I did a horrible mock up voiceover. I'm amazed it converted as well as it did.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
        Originally Posted by Mark Pescetti View Post


        1% ain't enough.
        He's probably talking about the top 1% of earners in the United States.

        Alex
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        • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
          Re: Do You Want To Be The Best... Or Not?
          It's an unrealistic goal.

          And striving for it can cause a lot of unneeded stress and worry.

          A better approach is to set an income goal. Determine how good you need to be to attain it.

          Once you've reached your goal, if you're so inclined, set a new, higher one.

          One step at a time.

          Alex
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        • Profile picture of the author copyassassin
          alex, you are correct! first time

          Originally Posted by Alex Cohen View Post

          He's probably talking about the top 1% of earners in the United States.

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          • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
            Originally Posted by copyassassin View Post

            alex, you are correct! first time
            Whatever.

            Either way, I have no doubt you'll get there Adam.

            1% conversions of a HUGE market might just get you to that Top 1%. Ahhh.... maybe 10% to reach that 1%.

            Keep moving forward.

            Mark
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