Critique please! Be as blunt as you can, desperately want to improve!

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So heres the page I wrote and kinda made that page in like 30 minutes(not the copy,the page itself)...heres the link:




Its about meeting women in clubs, a dating product!

My client isn't yet ready with the product fully so many places are left out, or are arbitrary....but the main sales letter will remain the same(more or less) unless you guys help me please

Also,what about the way the page looks?
I know its really basic but the client can neither afford a VSL nor get a designer....sad but thats just the way it is(as it was told to me)


Any help?

Be as blunt as you possibly can, can you make me cry? I'm such a perfectionist and I really need improvement...need help guys!

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  • Profile picture of the author acurren
    Your copy is not bad. Maybe too long winded. I have a suggestion, Eben Pagan has made multiple millions of dollars on this little ebook Double Your Dating
    Take a look at what he did...
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    • Profile picture of the author All About Results
      Your copy writing skill is pretty impressive and your layout looks very good. There are a few areas that could use some sizzle or polishing such as, where you say "He just seems to understand that environment, and how to maneuver around" I think would sound better if you said "how to work the room" or "how to own the room" rather than maneuver around. Little things like that but over all it is very interesting!!

      Last but not least, you might want to consider revising the title because I couldn't figure out what you meant by "Pull" multiple woman. What do you mean pull? Pull in, allure, magnetize? I think it would be best if you use a different word that offers more clarity.

      Those are just my suggestions and I wish you a lot of luck on your launch!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnRussell
        Originally Posted by All About Results View Post

        Your copy writing skill is pretty impressive and your layout looks very good.
        Are you sure? The layout is too wide - hard to read. And the copy itself? Rick said it above.

        It's really bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    Originally Posted by Joshua P View Post

    So heres the page I wrote and kinda made that page in like 30 minutes(not the copy,the page itself)...heres the link:

    111111111111111111111111111bars — Datingice


    Its about meeting women in clubs, a dating product!

    My client isn't yet ready with the product fully so many places are left out, or are arbitrary....but the main sales letter will remain the same(more or less) unless you guys help me please

    Also,what about the way the page looks?
    I know its really basic but the client can neither afford a VSL nor get a designer....sad but thats just the way it is(as it was told to me)


    Any help?

    Be as blunt as you possibly can, can you make me cry? I'm such a perfectionist and I really need improvement...need help guys!

    It falls flat. There's no curiosity, no emotion, no story. It's a rewrite.




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  • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
    Nope. Not gonna work.

    Technically speaking, your tenses and punctuation are all over the board. Your layout and font choice make it difficult to skim, making it damn near impossible to read.

    There's nothing exciting about the headline or what limited copy I did read.

    And I'm your ANTI market.
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    Originally Posted by Joshua P View Post

    So heres the page I wrote and kinda made that page in like 30 minutes(not the copy,the page itself)...heres the link:

    111111111111111111111111111bars — Datingice


    Its about meeting women in clubs, a dating product!

    My client isn't yet ready with the product fully so many places are left out, or are arbitrary....but the main sales letter will remain the same(more or less) unless you guys help me please

    Also,what about the way the page looks?
    I know its really basic but the client can neither afford a VSL nor get a designer....sad but thats just the way it is(as it was told to me)


    Any help?

    Be as blunt as you possibly can, can you make me cry? I'm such a perfectionist and I really need improvement...need help guys!

    Get a part-time job as a waiter at a bar where the TOPS club meets.

    This advice, is about as good as what you have. I don't see a single sentence that can be salvaged from this train wreck. Start over. Write a headline, let us critique it before you continue. You have to catch the attention of the desperate to meet any port guy...and he's too busy watching porn to read this.

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  • Profile picture of the author NickN
    From your sales letter:

    You'll hear from guys like me and from one very insightful lady. So that you get information from the female perspective, as well.
    Whoop-de-doo. A "very insightful lady." Let me grab my wallet now.

    This sentence is an example of one of the majorly wrong things with the copy: It's vague. There are no specifics. There is no proof the product works. Just a bunch of fluff. And a sentence about one "very insightful lady."

    Also, where's the hook? What is it about this product that stands out from the millions of other dating-niche guides/systems/reports/whatevers?

    As other have said, the whole thing really does need a rewrite. Badly. But find something that makes the product special before you rewrite one word.

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  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    Believe me, I am not trying to be an asshole or make you cry.

    But I do pretty well in this space. And trust me, guys won't remember your piece 30 seconds after they hit the back button.

    It's just so like everything else that's out there. You cobbled a bunch of swipes together and it shows.

    If you think that's gonna convert, I have news for you.

    Again, it needs a rewrite. And this time, put some muscle into it.

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    • Profile picture of the author Chriswrighto
      The headline:

      Discover How To Go Out Anywhere Anytime And Pull Multiple Women Using Your Charm


      Multiple is a really boring word. And it seems to out there. Most guys just want to be able to pull. Now you're setting them up for more than one. "Woah I might have a shot at one girl... but more than one... no way!"

      Using Your Charm - if they guy has charm (and knows it), does he need your product?

      Just some thoughts for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author elusian
    You need to hit the pain in this market. This sales letter is ok but it does not trigger an emotional response. Really think about what these guys want. What are they desperate to have? Why haven't they gotten it yet.

    Start with the pain. Tell them why it is not their fault. Then offer them that "golden answer" to their prayers.

    What is your irresistible offer? What makes this product different? Why should they drop everything and go running for their wallet?
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  • Profile picture of the author elusian
    One more thing - use a better image. You are promising these guys that they can get multiple women any time that they want. This woman looks bored.

    Something like this is better but not perfect: http://assets3.bigthink.com/system/i...jpg?1326913706

    Do not use this image. I do not own the copyright. I just did a quick search online for examples.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cam Connor
      Originally Posted by elusian View Post

      One more thing - use a better image. You are promising these guys that they can get multiple women any time that they want. This woman looks bored.

      Something like this is better but not perfect: http://assets3.bigthink.com/system/i...jpg?1326913706

      Do not use this image. I do not own the copyright. I just did a quick search online for examples.
      A good example of why it's good to have a woman look over these for you. I thought the picture was OK, but then when I took another look at it, I was like "yea, she does look bored". Of course the picture is huge and takes up a massive portion above the fold, but that's another matter.

      Great choice for an image btw, that one's a lot better. Just find one that's at a bar or club preferably, if that's what you're targeting.
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  • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
    Originally Posted by Joshua P View Post

    So heres the page I wrote and kinda made that page in like 30 minutes(not the copy,the page itself)...heres the link:

    111111111111111111111111111bars — Datingice


    Its about meeting women in clubs, a dating product!

    My client isn't yet ready with the product fully so many places are left out, or are arbitrary....but the main sales letter will remain the same(more or less) unless you guys help me please

    Also,what about the way the page looks?
    I know its really basic but the client can neither afford a VSL nor get a designer....sad but thats just the way it is(as it was told to me)


    Any help?

    Be as blunt as you possibly can, can you make me cry? I'm such a perfectionist and I really need improvement...need help guys!

    Well, you have no hook.

    And that's pretty much the end of it when you're in this niche.

    You're saying nothing new at all in this page. Just sounds like you've read other pages out there and are trying to mimic them. Not good. You have to understand that talking to dudes who have heard it all...at least they think they have.

    That's your first problem.

    The second problem is bigger though: it sounds like you're making this stuff up.

    Do you really know what you're talking about? Because, based on what I'm reading, I have my doubts. The writing does NOT convince me that I'm being talked to by someone who has any game with women. It's clunky, awkward and lacks confidence.

    Guys who score big with women don't talk that way. Socially awkward young men who sit behind their computers on Saturday night playing World of Warcraft do.

    Too blunt?

    Well, you asked for it.

    Sounds to me like you're in this for the money and just picked this niche because it's known for being packed with hungry buyers...but hungry doesn't mean dumb. Reader's can spot an impostor from a mile away.

    I'd suggest picking a different niche and audience, one you're more familiar with and knowledgeable about.
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  • Profile picture of the author trustedmarketer
    The initial reaction with the image was good but as I continued reading, it was too long winded and lost interest. Fonts are too big. That wow factor is missing. Using a thesis theme with 3 sliders and proper page layout/ format would liven it up.
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    • Profile picture of the author StarkContrast
      "My Bar Buddies Laughed at Me When I Told Them I Could Get the Ladies {Fainting Over Me|Running to Me|Throwing Their Panties to Me} at the Snap of My Fingers, But They Began Crying In Their Beer When I Showed Up with an Entourage That Resembled Solomon's Heirem"
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      • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
        Originally Posted by StarkContrast View Post

        "My Bar Buddies Laughed at Me When I Told Them I Could Get the Ladies {Fainting Over Me|Running to Me|Throwing Their Panties to Me} at the Snap of My Fingers, But They Began Crying In Their Beer When I Showed Up with an Entourage That Resembled Solomon's Heirem"
        No. Just no.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua P
    Thanks for the inputs guys will try and improve and re-post again or edit the post
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesDLayton
    Who in the world wants random panties being thrown at them? $100 bills and MAYBE.... but panties?

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  • Profile picture of the author 723Media
    It's all been said in multiple ways but the copy on this is not going to pique anybody's interest. It's very long winded and does nothing to alleviate the pain(s) of dating or rather, not dating as your target market is experiencing.

    You need to tap into the reason(s) why these guys aren't dating and you need to tap into that right up front with the headline.

    Add some emotion to it. Think about what a guy might be thinking about when he goes out. Ask him a question that he needs to answer right away in the headline. Something like:

    "Do you wish you had the confidence to talk to women?"

    That taps into a root problem for men without a lot of cruft and filler. These guys don't care about their charm. They care about getting a date.

    This also poses the problem that you intend to solve. Either they answer yes and keep reading (they are your customer) or no and leave (they aren't your customer).

    Follow that headline with a supporting headline to relate to and engage your reader. Something like this:

    "I know how you feel. I was terrible at talking to women...at least until I learned a few tricks."

    Now your reader knows that you know how they feel. Now they can give you a little trust. You also left them hanging by mentioning that you learned a few tricks but didn't share them up front.

    That creates a little interest and gets the reader to want to continue down your conversion path (if you can keep with that tone).

    Others have mentioned that the girl looks bored, which she does, but her expression also perfectly captures the "yeah, you can go f__ yourself now" look that no guy wants to see.

    Set the tone with your headline. Be direct and straight to the point. Use images that illustrate the benefit of your offer. Keep your copy clear.
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