Crickets In The Copywriting Section

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One thing that's baffled me about W.F members. The copywriting section is one of the least visited on the W.F. Yet in my opinion it's the most important. No, I'm not a copywriter , but I've set the goal of studying copywriting so I can be a better client.

This section offers some of the best free copywriting advice on the planet. Advice most others charge big money for. So, you'd think it would be overflowing with visits. Especially from people who come to a marketing forum to learn how to make money, yet it's not. Does that surprise anyone but me?

I personally feel guilty asking for free advice sometimes, I'm now in a position to pay for copy critiques, memberships and other copywriting services and I do. But I didn't start there. It all started here, with the free advice, tips and hard-nosed critiques I got a few years ago.

I'd like to see more warriors take advantage of this opportunity, but most don't seem to get it. Or am I missing something?

Feel free to comment or address any of the thoughts above.

Anyway, this is just a random act of thanks to all who help others write more effective copy. May heaven have a special place for you - Peace
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  • Based on your other threads, I would've sworn you were a working copywriter...
  • Your surprise reveals a misunderstanding of the Warrior Forum's primary demographic.

    No doubt you've noticed that the WSO sub forum gets the most visitors by far. Know why? Go through the WSOs and see what's for sale. Mostly magic buttons.

    Magic button buyers don't want to learn copywriting. They want to push a button and get rich.

    Serious marketers and copywriters represent only a small percentage of the Warrior Forum demo.

    Alex
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    • I must say Alex, that's a fantastic and accurate post.

      And yea, very few marketers in general ever come close to understanding the value of Copywriting. That's why something like only 1 in 10k people who try their hand at marketing actually succeed and go full-time.
    • Yes, there's a lot of magic button buyers I admit, but still if you go to the internet marketing section, the offline marketing section, the seo section they all average thousands of visitors a week. And judging by the questions and answers in those sections, people are willing to do more than just push a button to be successful.

      Many of the questions are very detailed along with the answers.

      Plus, out of 700,000 members I'd figure more would see the need to learn or at least be familiar with good copywriting techniques.

      Maybe because your advice is free, many discount its value, you think? Because one thing the Warrior Forum has more than anything are skeptics. Unless they're already presold, even if your services or help is free you often have to sell it in here. Weird but true.
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    • LOL. I think those letters were written by copywriters. So you are saying
      that most people prefer to read the product of copywriting than about the
      process?

      -Ray Edwards
    • I have to agree with Alex. Less than 5% of people in any area of life will ever be successful. It's not because only 5% of people are born with talent. Rather, I believe it is because only 5% of people are looking for what really works, and how they can begin to learn and what to implement to make it work. The other 95% just want something like this, "ok, just tell me the one thing I need to do to get rich so I can do it".

      And of the 95% who buy the magic button, only 5% will implement it. And of THAT 5% only 5% of them will persevere when the first setback occurs. And so on and so on.

      Additionally, most of the people on the WF likely don't understand marketing well enough (yet) to know WHY they need to hire a good copywriter or to appreciate the value of a copywriter. Many likely don't even know what a copywriter is yet.
  • One of the main problems I see is too many business owners fall in love with their own products and forget about one of the most important things... The Copy. On the other hand the smart business people see the value in copy and how it can dramatically change the bottom line of a business.

    You can have the best product on the planet but if you don't have the means to sell it then it's all pointless. All about educating the customer on how copy can impact how much money you make.
    Just my thoughts...
  • What's represented here is hard work.

    People don't want hard work.
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    • Plus, most people who are actual pros try to stay busy... Which is why you'll see some regulars absent for a while, then popping up again...
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  • One thing that drives many away from this CW subform is all the griping, whining, in-fighting and gutter sniping that happens almost constantly.

    It used to be worse - much worse - so I'm not bitching.

    Just sayin'...
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  • Some years ago I made a post addressing the issue of the help
    that copywriters offer compared to other fields. No one ask
    for help with designing a banner, or writing an article or creating
    an app. Advice is dispense on many subjects but the work is
    not done for you.

    That's what copywriters do when they offer a critique--they tell
    you what to change to improve the copy. This is a service that
    many sell, but they offer it free here.

    My point is that no other section quite compares. You may ask
    about a video, but you wouldn't get a response with the video
    done for you.

    It's refreshing to see someone appreciate that.

    -Ray Edwards
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  • "I don't need a copywriter. I don't need to learn copy. I already have some words on my sales page. Any words will do. I wrote words for free. Don't need expensive words."

    ^^^^ the prevailing thought for some marketers.

    James
  • Not to to be Captain Obvious here...but I don't think most people (even many businessmen) have a clue what copywriting is.

    Marketing? Yes. Advertising? Sure.

    But if you tell the average joe you're a copywriter, their mind might drift to 'copyright' before drawing a complete blank followed by a confused, "huh?". At least, that's been my experience..

    When you live and breathe copywriting, it's easy to forget that it's actually a rather obscure profession.


    edit: I see mrmouse beat me to it.
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    • That's a good point, you're like a "ghost" writer for advertising. If the ad takes off, the business or owner gets all the glory and credit, which is fine I suppose, because they paid for it.

      But I've seldom if ever heard a business owner publicly say I'd like to thank my copywriter. But I've heard them thank everyone from the vice president to the workers at the bottom - even their competitors in some cases.

      It's like the person who actually wrote the words, organized them like soldiers and brought the people in the store is ignored ... like a ghost to the general public.
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    Crickets In The Copywriting Section

    One thing that's baffled me about W.F members. The copywriting section is one of the least visited on the W.F. Yet in my opinion it's the most important. No, I'm not a copywriter , but I've set the goal of studying copywriting so I can be a better client. This section offers some of the best free copywriting advice on the planet. Advice most others charge big money for. So, you'd think it would be overflowing with visits. Especially from people who come to a marketing forum to learn how to make money, yet it's not. Does that surprise anyone but me?