Supplements, Legalities, Death, Mo Money

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Does anyone have experience selling supplements online?

Basically this pertains to buying bulk powders and re-selling them in individual bottles/capsules? ie buying 1kg of vitamin c and creating your own individual branded bottles.

For some reason this seems a bit barbaric to most people but I've found a supplement that I think will be profitable.

I can find guys selling bulk bags of it on ebay that have like hundreds of good reviews, buy my own pill bottles, get a label, dump it in there and sell them for a 500% markup.

The issue is the legalities in buying bulk powders and re-selling it. Since its ingestible its always something to be cautious with.

What most people dont know is:

  • Supplements do not need to be FDA approved
  • Major brands that sell millions in a specific company have laced their products with steroids, illegal stuff, and only been caught years and years later, to which they usually just create a "new formula" and seemingly are good to go.
My stuff would be legal obviously but it just shows that its pretty much the wild west out there.

I'm basically wondering if anyone has done this and ran into any issues with shipping across the border and any other issues.

To me it seems like as long as you disclose the product as "not a cure, and not fda approved", as well no one decides to commit supplement suicide then you are fine.

But I am not sure. Any help from someone experienced in this?
#death #legalities #money #supplements
  • Profile picture of the author Procel
    I've been researching a supplement business too. The problem I see with your plan as described is that you are talking about buying powders and making capsules, which sounds like a job. Instead of buying from ebay sellers and repackaging before you can even begin marketing, try to figure out where the ebay sellers buy and get it from the manufacturer, in capsules. You don't make money shoving vitamin c into capsules, you make money promoting and selling vitamin c capsules.

    As long as your selling nutritional supplements, your not going to run into FDA problems, but you may still be liable if someone has an allergic reaction or if they cause themselves harm by eating the whole bottle or some such foolishness. Thus my current hang up in my supplement plan. If I'm going to move forward, I think I should have some sort of legal structure to protect myself. Maybe an LLC or some such, I haven't talked to a lawyer about it yet but that is my current thinking. I have found a reliable manufacturer, and I have the basic sales pitch figured out. If I move forward, all I really need is some graphic design work done (labels and web graphics etc) but I don't want to get sued out of existence by some dope who thinks that "if one dose is good, thirty must be thirty times as good"

    You mention shipping across borders. What sort of borders are the hurtle? Getting raw material to you, or delivering the end product? Which borders? International? Provincial/ interstate?

    I'm interested to hear more from someone who is working on an idea related to the one I'm working on.
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    • Profile picture of the author AffiliatingAlan
      Originally Posted by Procel View Post

      I've been researching a supplement business too. The problem I see with your plan as described is that you are talking about buying powders and making capsules, which sounds like a job. Instead of buying from ebay sellers and repackaging before you can even begin marketing, try to figure out where the ebay sellers buy and get it from the manufacturer, in capsules. You don't make money shoving vitamin c into capsules, you make money promoting and selling vitamin c capsules.

      As long as your selling nutritional supplements, your not going to run into FDA problems, but you may still be liable if someone has an allergic reaction or if they cause themselves harm by eating the whole bottle or some such foolishness. Thus my current hang up in my supplement plan. If I'm going to move forward, I think I should have some sort of legal structure to protect myself. Maybe an LLC or some such, I haven't talked to a lawyer about it yet but that is my current thinking. I have found a reliable manufacturer, and I have the basic sales pitch figured out. If I move forward, all I really need is some graphic design work done (labels and web graphics etc) but I don't want to get sued out of existence by some dope who thinks that "if one dose is good, thirty must be thirty times as good"

      You mention shipping across borders. What sort of borders are the hurtle? Getting raw material to you, or delivering the end product? Which borders? International? Provincial/ interstate?

      I'm interested to hear more from someone who is working on an idea related to the one I'm working on.
      My OP was pretty sloppy. I wasn't of good cognition when writing that.

      Anyway, I will not be buying powder and filling pills by hand (slave work). I would be buying a 1-5kg bag of the powder and then dumping, say, 100g into bottles. (think creatine mono powder as an example).

      What I have found is that you do not need FDA approval or GMO approval, and possibly nothing at all.

      I have tons of supplements from various big companies (bodybuilding.com, vitacost.com, NOW sports, etc), and all of them are non GMO and non FDA approved.

      It seems all you have to do is place a label on your package saying: *this statement has not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to cure, treat, diagnose, or prevent any disease.

      Basically the FDA doesnt give a shit until someone complains. And as long as you mention your product isnt evaluated, and isnt a cure for anything, then you are fine.

      "but you may still be liable if someone has an allergic reaction or if they cause themselves harm by eating the whole bottle or some such foolishness. "

      In regards to getting sued. Ya, this is where I am confused. It appears as if you are okay until someone decides to kill themselves with your supplements. And, I mean, it may be the same for all businesses really, except since supplements are ingestible, your are much more likely for this to happen.

      For example, if I knit a glove and some kid decides to eat it and has an allergic reaction to the thread type -- I may be ****ed as well. That kind of seems whats its like here.

      There are so many supplements that were under the spotlight for being great. Like driven sports won an award from bodybuilding.com. Only years later someone decided to kill themselves from taking it; and only then did someone run tests to find out it contained illegal substances like DNP. I also think the owner had another supplement with Drol in the name containing either illegal pro-hormones or a strain from a real illegal steroid. It seems like its the wild west out there until you get caught. However, I dont really have the funds to shield myself from this possibility as I imagine it would render the profitability of a small business pointless, with tests, legal aid, this and that. Maybe, maybe not, I have no idea tbh.

      But I do know I am seeing various sites selling my supplement in generic silver bags with there fiverr looking logo sprawled out on all their products. I highly doubt they had the money to do any tests, extraneous legalities and whatnot.

      Honestly, I don't know the extent of your business plan, but mine was going to be very ghetto-lemonade-stand-like.

      I literally just found a product that has a good search volume and low competition. I was going to buy a bag of bulk powder, get a label made, get some generic black bottles, whip the product up.

      Set up a small niche site on the product, seo it, then use it to funnel traffic.

      The traffic would be sent to a branded domain that I would create solely for that product. Like CreatineZT.com or something like that (whatever product brandname is).

      I'd make a hq sales page, get some good reviews, and then undercut my competition by a few $'s as well as rank 1# in google. Then just embed a paypal button on the bottom, linked to my premier account.

      No business name, registration, or anything like that. Ship it in a plain envelope with my name attached to the sender address. And basically just try and make an extra 1k a month since I already have to ship things out anyway for an eccomerce site I have.

      This is why I'm not really prepared to dabble with lawyer fees and whatnot. Plus I am seeing ebay sellers with thousands of reviews pushing this stuff worldwide. So I can only assume they haven't ran into any major trouble yet.

      For borders I live in Canada. So supplements would have to cross into USA. I am assuming my bag will probably get opened a lot of times as supplements usually do. So, this is the part of what I am wondering about. If they would seize it or not.

      So many substances are banned now from crossing the border. You cant even order some multi vitamins anymore, last time I checked b12 was banned as well.

      Have you talked to a lawyer or gotten any more info? Also, if you dont mind me asking what manufacturer did you find? I am only planning to sell 1 product and I highly highly doubt they even have it as its quite obscure in nature -- so I wont be competing with you lol. I just wanna see if the kg price is equal to that of ebay.

      I think the biggest risk is attaching your name to it. I can order steroids in the mail tomorrow from a dude thats been up and running for 6 years now. Of course he ships everything anonymously.

      I may order from the ebay guy and see how he does it since it would have to cross the border as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author Procel
        I haven't talked to my lawyer about this yet, but I think that is what needs to happen.

        I see why the "ghetto lemonade stand" model has some appeal. Sell things, make money, repeat... without all the legal BS, but I want to create a brand I can sell. I want to be able to sell widely, sell big, and who knows, maybe even sell the brand itself down the line. The only way I could even think of thinking big is if I have some trademarks and some sort of a company. I'm thinking even an LLC would shield my house from any liability involved with the product, and create a legal entity that could later be built upon or pimped down the road.

        My idea isn't so much connected to a given supplement as it is a target market who buys supplements.
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  • Profile picture of the author fast2net
    I would definitely suggest getting with your lawyer on this if you have one. Sounds like an interesting idea though.
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  • Profile picture of the author pjgahagan
    Interesting idea, saturated business. The more competition, the more money that's to be made though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Procel
      There is a conundrum to saturated businesses. Case in point, big box retail. When I drive down the road I see big box after big box and I wonder "who is buying all the merchandise?" Considering the staggering unemployment and crippled real estate market in my area, how is it they are still building these places? Can there really be a demand for that much low quality general merchandise? It seems so. Saturated market, but it marches on and grows bigger each day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vic Carrara
    Hi,

    I'm in the UK and here anyone "rebagging" supplements would have to do it in an area that has been approved to handle food. This would involve contacting your local council and getting approval.
    Not sure what happens in the States, but would have thought that something similar would be in operation so worth checking.

    But why buy bulk from ebay sellers? Why not go straight to the manufacture and buy bulk from them?

    Regards "wild west" .. have to agree re some US manufacturers. Laws in Europe are much tighter, especially with regards health claims.

    Good luck,

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