A bit nervous about an Alibaba order

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So today I just made an order from a trading company on Alibaba. After I have sent the money I am starting to get a bit nervous that didn't go about it the right way

Now they have trade assurance or whatever, but I didn't use it. I probably just rushed everything. I asked for their Skype on the website, and talked to someone on Skype for maybe an hour, just telling him what I want etc. and then I was given an invoice. I knew they took Paypal before hand and I figured it was pretty safe. He wanted the full payment before they ship the goods so I paid them.

He said the he can ship the goods next week. I don't know though, I feel like I should have protected myself a lot more, I just made an offsite deal and it would be easy for them to screw me over. I mean, he did seem legit, he came back with a couple different invoices when I changed my order a bit. I am just hoping that I get good quality. Is it too late to do the trade assurance contract thing?

I guess I can post the company too, maybe you can see how they look?
Company Overview - Ruian Kylin Import And Export Co., Ltd.

Oh and the deal was $1700 total
#alibaba #bit #nervous #order
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    • Profile picture of the author gange10
      Hey I wouldn't worry you can usually smell a rat straight away. Are they still in contact with you?

      Did you get a sample from them? If you did and it was of good quality you should be fine.

      Just keep in contact with them.

      Also point to remember the Chinese have no allegiance they don't do "business relationship" so bear that in mind in the future.

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      • Profile picture of the author znightmare
        Originally Posted by gange10 View Post

        Hey I wouldn't worry you can usually smell a rat straight away. Are they still in contact with you?

        Did you get a sample from them? If you did and it was of good quality you should be fine.

        Just keep in contact with them.

        Also point to remember the Chinese have no allegiance they don't do "business relationship" so bear that in mind in the future.

        David
        Hi! Yes it seems that they will still reply to Skype
        I actually did not get a sample, but the order is relatively small.
        It;s two separate products, 50 pieces each. But yeah, I'll definitely ask for samples next time.
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  • Profile picture of the author yoyolfree
    Hi znightmare, I scanned the site you post and it seems reliable. Hope you can receive your goods finally.
    But I still want to remind you that you may should confirm all the information of the supplier before your make your order or make it on some reliable sites if the price is the same.
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    • Profile picture of the author znightmare
      Originally Posted by yoyolfree View Post

      Hi znightmare, I scanned the site you post and it seems reliable. Hope you can receive your goods finally.
      But I still want to remind you that you may should confirm all the information of the supplier before your make your order or make it on some reliable sites if the price is the same.
      Yeah they seem trustworthy, just hoping I didn't screw up by not doing the deal over alibaba with the trade assurance.
      And thanks for the advice.
      I'm going to ask if I can get a tracking number, too bad it;s morning here and 9pm in China :/
      lol
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      • Profile picture of the author gange10
        Ok, next time please see a sample, as even a small order can ruin your account and reputation if the product is sub standard.

        Also this service I use

        Your Office in China

        They do background checks on the company. I use them for anything over 20k pound orders.

        Hope it helps

        David
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        • Profile picture of the author Importexport
          @znightmare, I am sorry to tell you that you have good reason to be anxious. I have checked them out and found on Alibaba's own community forum a post by someone who buys regularly through Alibaba. Here is the heading he gave: Beware of DYNO RACING - Ruian Kylin Import And Export Co., Ltd. SCAMMERS, THIEVES AND FAKES

          Here is a link to the post: Beware of DYNO RACING - Ruian Kylin Import And Export Co., Ltd. SCAMMERS, THIEVES AND FAKES-Alibaba Trade Forums
          As you can see, they trade under more than one name. That is common practice for legit Chinese companies who often use several names, but scammers tend to have a lot of different business names. When they tarnish one, they discard that, keep your money, and keep trading under a different name.

          For a small order, Trade Assurance is not available, and even for large orders it is costly and complicated.
          That program looks good superficially, but the rules are a nightmare. Unless you read all the rules, you are likely to be very disappointed.

          Buyers need to know for example that they will have to pay for expensive Quality Inspection services before the goods leave the factory if they are to have any hope of making a successful claim under this system. This is because claims that the product is faulty must be made before the goods are delivered!

          A problem with that is, Alibaba's rules don't specify what "delivered" means. Under some Incoterms (Universal Shipping Terms), delivery is deemed to have been made when the goods leave the supplier's premises.

          I advise against using Alibaba because of the risks. Their rating system for sellers is largely smoke and mirrors, and provides virtually no buyer protection.

          Paying via PayPal seems to provide protection, but scammers have found a way to get around that, and many people are finding that they still lose their money after paying scammers via PayPal.

          If you have any questions about safe sourcing and easy importing, please post them on my AMA thread: Ask Me Anything About Product Sourcing And Importing For Profit. ― Veteran Importer Here.

          I will be posting there a detailed explanation of Alibaba's Trade Assurance scheme within the next day or two.

          "If you think education is expensive - consider the cost of ignorance."
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          • Profile picture of the author znightmare
            Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

            @znightmare, I am sorry to tell you that you have good reason to be anxious. I have checked them out and found on Alibaba's own community forum a post by someone who buys regularly through Alibaba. Here is the heading he gave: Beware of DYNO RACING - Ruian Kylin Import And Export Co., Ltd. SCAMMERS, THIEVES AND FAKES

            Here is a link to the post: Beware of DYNO RACING - Ruian Kylin Import And Export Co., Ltd. SCAMMERS, THIEVES AND FAKES-Alibaba Trade Forums
            As you can see, they trade under more than one name. That is common practice for legit Chinese companies who often use several names, but scammers tend to have a lot of different business names. When they tarnish one, they discard that, keep your money, and keep trading under a different name.

            For a small order, Trade Assurance is not available, and even for large orders it is costly and complicated.
            That program looks good superficially, but the rules are a nightmare. Unless you read all the rules, you are likely to be very disappointed.

            Buyers need to know for example that they will have to pay for expensive Quality Inspection services before the goods leave the factory if they are to have any hope of making a successful claim under this system. This is because claims that the product is faulty must be made before the goods are delivered!

            A problem with that is, Alibaba's rules don't specify what "delivered" means. Under some Incoterms (Universal Shipping Terms), delivery is deemed to have been made when the goods leave the supplier's premises.

            I advise against using Alibaba because of the risks. Their rating system for sellers is largely smoke and mirrors, and provides virtually no buyer protection.

            Paying via PayPal seems to provide protection, but scammers have found a way to get around that, and many people are finding that they still lose their money after paying scammers via PayPal.

            If you have any questions about safe sourcing and easy importing, please post them on my AMA thread: Ask Me Anything About Product Sourcing And Importing For Profit. ― Veteran Importer Here.

            I will be posting there a detailed explanation of Alibaba's Trade Assurance scheme within the next day or two.

            "If you think education is expensive - consider the cost of ignorance."
            Thank you for your answer! I actually did see that post, well, after I placed the order..
            And okay, TA seems like a real pain, and I guess I couldn't have used it anyway.
            Maybe it would be good to hire one of those services to check out the supplier for you?
            Quality Assurance would be very nice..
            Well, I guess it is a good thing that they take Paypal, but yeah I guess you can still lose money on that route too, like you said.
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            • Profile picture of the author Importexport
              Originally Posted by znightmare View Post

              Thank you for your answer! I actually did see that post, well, after I placed the order..
              And okay, TA seems like a real pain, and I guess I couldn't have used it anyway.
              Maybe it would be good to hire one of those services to check out the supplier for you?
              Quality Assurance would be very nice..
              Well, I guess it is a good thing that they take Paypal, but yeah I guess you can still lose money on that route too, like you said.
              The service suggested by gange10 is horribly expensive. There are much lower cost services provided by long established European companies (over 100 years old) with numerous offices and employees in China.

              In reality though, if you understand safe sourcing you can avoid all those costly services. Some of the services provided by "Your Office in China" are quite unnecessary. Totally reliable services doing the same thing are available free of charge if you know the ropes. (Yes I teach how in my book.)

              As a first step I would say stay clear of Alibaba, and most of the other sites often mentioned on WF, such as DHGate, Tradekey etc.

              I suggest you should learn at least the basics of safe sourcing before you risk losing more money. My AMA thread will provide some help for you, and you can ask more questions there.

              "If you think education is expensive - consider the cost of ignorance."


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              • Profile picture of the author znightmare
                Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

                The service suggested by gange10 is horribly expensive. There are much lower cost services provided by long established European companies (over 100 years old) with numerous offices and employees in China.

                In reality though, if you understand safe sourcing you can avoid all those costly services. Some of the services provided by "Your Office in China" are quite unnecessary. Totally reliable services doing the same thing are available free of charge if you know the ropes. (Yes I teach how in my book.)

                As a first step I would say stay clear of Alibaba, and most of the other sites often mentioned on WF, such as DHGate, Tradekey etc.

                I suggest you should learn at least the basics of safe sourcing before you risk losing more money. My AMA thread will provide some help for you, and you can ask more questions there.

                "If you think education is expensive - consider the cost of ignorance."


                Thanks, I'm taking in all your advice for sure.

                "I suggest you should learn at least the basics of safe sourcing before you risk losing more money."

                Almost sounds like you're saying the money for this order is already lost.
                ;'(
                Idk though, he seemed okay, and it seems like they've been doing business for a while. I see their same products all over Ebay and stuff.

                But oh well, gonna go get drunk. Lol!
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                • Profile picture of the author Importexport
                  Originally Posted by znightmare View Post

                  Thanks, I'm taking in all your advice for sure.

                  "I suggest you should learn at least the basics of safe sourcing before you risk losing more money."

                  Almost sounds like you're saying the money for this order is already lost.
                  ;'(
                  Idk though, he seemed okay, and it seems like they've been doing business for a while. I see their same products all over Ebay and stuff.

                  But oh well, gonna go get drunk. Lol!
                  I hope my pessimism is unfounded, but your story follows a familiar pattern.

                  As your later post says, at least they are maintaining contact, but I have seen so many scams that I know where that is often done until finally the scammers disappear.

                  Your suppliers might come through with the goods. I certainly hope so, but if it just turns out to be a scare, at least it has helped you, and others who read this thread, learn to be more careful.

                  Don't forget you can always post a question for me on my AMA thread.

                  "If you think education is expensive - consider the cost of ignorance."
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              • Profile picture of the author gange10
                Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

                The service suggested by gange10 is horribly expensive. There are much lower cost services provided by long established European companies (over 100 years old) with numerous offices and employees in China.

                In reality though, if you understand safe sourcing you can avoid all those costly services. Some of the services provided by "Your Office in China" are quite unnecessary. Totally reliable services doing the same thing are available free of charge if you know the ropes. (Yes I teach how in my book.)

                As a first step I would say stay clear of Alibaba, and most of the other sites often mentioned on WF, such as DHGate, Tradekey etc.

                I suggest you should learn at least the basics of safe sourcing before you risk losing more money. My AMA thread will provide some help for you, and you can ask more questions there.

                "If you think education is expensive - consider the cost of ignorance."


                Mike's charges I think are very reasonable and even goes if you like to see your shipment before it leaves and before you pay your money. But agree 100% with importexport Alibaba and other places have made it easy for scammers to target us folk.

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    At least they didn't stop contact after order.. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author paververisgroup
    Alibaba.com seems like a real pain in the a to deal with sometimes. That's why I haven't really used it yet. Did you try taking a look at wholesale.alibaba.com. It seems like the information on this site is more transparent.
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by paververisgroup View Post

      Alibaba.com seems like a real pain in the a to deal with sometimes. That's why I haven't really used it yet. Did you try taking a look at wholesale.alibaba.com. It seems like the information on this site is more transparent.
      There is no such site as wholesale.alibaba.com. It is a sub-section of Alibaba.com
      where suppliers pretend to be selling wholesale with small MOQs. They are in fact selling well above the prices you will pay if you buy direct from genuine manufacturers.

      Not only is it going to cost buyers more than they should pay, but it still operates as part of the Alibaba.com site, and all the risks associated with that.

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    I think it is nothing to worry about
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  • Profile picture of the author znightmare
    Well the products should be arriving this Thursday, we'll see how they look. I have also been talking to a supplier for the past couple days and will be making a pretty small order <$2,000. I am actually very sure that I am talking to a manufacturer.

    I made it clear that I was just testing the waters before coming back to order more at a later date. And the lady actually suggested a couple certain variations of the product that seem to be most popular, and suggested I can lower the quantity if I wanted and divide it up more (which seemed weird, but cool w/e).
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    • Profile picture of the author rumifdx
      Originally Posted by znightmare View Post

      Well the products should be arriving this Thursday, we'll see how they look. I have also been talking to a supplier for the past couple days and will be making a pretty small order <$2,000. I am actually very sure that I am talking to a manufacturer.

      I made it clear that I was just testing the waters before coming back to order more at a later date. And the lady actually suggested a couple certain variations of the product that seem to be most popular, and suggested I can lower the quantity if I wanted and divide it up more (which seemed weird, but cool w/e).
      Hi Znightmare,

      it seems to me that "testing the water" with a "pretty small" $2000 order is a soft way to say "I'm gambling 2 grand in some e-commerce stuff"

      I'm assuming that you did research your market and have at least some fire-sure data on your product's desirability, otherwise $2000 worth of merchandise stuck in your garage may have a serious impact on your mood, when not your finances

      Perhaps I'm wrong, your product sells like crazy, and $2K is nothing for you

      Good luck with things
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      • Profile picture of the author znightmare
        Originally Posted by rumifdx View Post

        Hi Znightmare,

        it seems to me that "testing the water" with a "pretty small" $2000 order is a soft way to say "I'm gambling 2 grand in some e-commerce stuff"

        I'm assuming that you did research your market and have at least some fire-sure data on your product's desirability, otherwise $2000 worth of merchandise stuck in your garage may have a serious impact on your mood, when not your finances

        Perhaps I'm wrong, your product sells like crazy, and $2K is nothing for you

        Good luck with things
        Really my only data is Ebay.

        And thanks.

        If it doesn't sell as good as I expect it to, I'm sure it will sell off eventually. And then I will know what not to buy again, and what to buy, as I ordered a few different things.
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        • Profile picture of the author Importexport
          Originally Posted by znightmare View Post

          Really my only data is Ebay.

          And thanks.

          If it doesn't sell as good as I expect it to, I'm sure it will sell off eventually. And then I will know what not to buy again, and what to buy, as I ordered a few different things.
          Auctiondebteliminator is a great teacher of all things to do with eBay, but in particular research prior to committing to buy.

          He hasn't posted for a while, but it should be worth searching.

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  • Profile picture of the author odaine21
    Originally Posted by znightmare View Post

    So today I just made an order from a trading company on Alibaba. After I have sent the money I am starting to get a bit nervous that didn't go about it the right way

    Now they have trade assurance or whatever, but I didn't use it. I probably just rushed everything. I asked for their Skype on the website, and talked to someone on Skype for maybe an hour, just telling him what I want etc. and then I was given an invoice. I knew they took Paypal before hand and I figured it was pretty safe. He wanted the full payment before they ship the goods so I paid them.

    He said the he can ship the goods next week. I don't know though, I feel like I should have protected myself a lot more, I just made an offsite deal and it would be easy for them to screw me over. I mean, he did seem legit, he came back with a couple different invoices when I changed my order a bit. I am just hoping that I get good quality. Is it too late to do the trade assurance contract thing?

    I guess I can post the company too, maybe you can see how they look?
    Company Overview - Ruian Kylin Import And Export Co., Ltd.

    Oh and the deal was $1700 total
    Good luck with this one, let us know how it turns out!
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  • Profile picture of the author EJ Lear
    Hi Znightmare,

    Did you get a shipping notification email? Just curious Im thinking of doing the same thing that you did.

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  • Profile picture of the author Monsterd
    First, it's hard to answer without knowing how you paid them and not knowing what terms they gave you.

    Always ensure you know lead times, shipping couriers, stock availability, shipping transit times returns information on an invoice before pulling the trigger.

    Most legitimate and established companies on the standard Alibaba trade section have an Aliexpress.com ecommerce site also. For most products, their are sellers that sell all the product that others are supplying with trade leads on the Alibaba section. Buy here at first even if it might cost a little more (probably wont). You're protected by an escrow service and can also pay with your credit card for an added measure of security.

    Also, just FYI. Just because someone has a picture of a factory and workers and is "Trust Verified" by this site doesn't mean everything. Most Chinese companies that market themselves as being the factory are just trading businesses who sell product for manufactures they know. 9/10 that say they have a factory don't. They simply have to pay several hundreds of dollars for the trust symbol and they check business documents and any major issues. Easy enough to create new business overnight, pay the lady for the certificate and get verified. This doesn't mean their all crooks because this is just how a lot of business is in Asia. Factories prefer it so they can keep focus on production and they end up better in the long run (most of the time).

    I usually end up chatting with them on Skype well in advance of doing business with people I meet on there to feel them out. It's fairly easy to feel the squeeze from a scammer or tell if someone is legitimate with short conversations several times a week electronically.

    Don't wire upfront. Use a credit card or even paypal is better than wiring them. Don't ever wire to a personal name (only business) otherwise ask questions. Again, buy for more from someone else if it means having these security items in order.

    Me - Do business with China daily, visit every yea, have used Alibaba and Aliexpress with pretty good outcomes and connections made over last 10 years.
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    • Profile picture of the author znightmare
      Originally Posted by Monsterd View Post

      First, it's hard to answer without knowing how you paid them and not knowing what terms they gave you.

      Always ensure you know lead times, shipping couriers, stock availability, shipping transit times returns information on an invoice before pulling the trigger.

      Most legitimate and established companies on the standard Alibaba trade section have an Aliexpress.com ecommerce site also. For most products, their are sellers that sell all the product that others are supplying with trade leads on the Alibaba section. Buy here at first even if it might cost a little more (probably wont). You're protected by an escrow service and can also pay with your credit card for an added measure of security.

      Also, just FYI. Just because someone has a picture of a factory and workers and is "Trust Verified" by this site doesn't mean everything. Most Chinese companies that market themselves as being the factory are just trading businesses who sell product for manufactures they know. 9/10 that say they have a factory don't. They simply have to pay several hundreds of dollars for the trust symbol and they check business documents and any major issues. Easy enough to create new business overnight, pay the lady for the certificate and get verified. This doesn't mean their all crooks because this is just how a lot of business is in Asia. Factories prefer it so they can keep focus on production and they end up better in the long run (most of the time).

      I usually end up chatting with them on Skype well in advance of doing business with people I meet on there to feel them out. It's fairly easy to feel the squeeze from a scammer or tell if someone is legitimate with short conversations several times a week electronically.

      Don't wire upfront. Use a credit card or even paypal is better than wiring them. Don't ever wire to a personal name (only business) otherwise ask questions. Again, buy for more from someone else if it means having these security items in order.

      Me - Do business with China daily, visit every yea, have used Alibaba and Aliexpress with pretty good outcomes and connections made over last 10 years.
      Thank you for all of the advice and info., I will be sure to remember it.
      It definitely helped me understand more of the way business is conducted in China.
      I actually received the items I talked about in the OP today. I got what I asked for and the quality is what I hoped for. If I got what I wanted for the price that I payed, heck they can be middle-manning for a factory for all I care. Of course, it would be nice to get in contact with a factory for this material, but this is okay for now.
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      • Profile picture of the author EJ Lear
        Originally Posted by znightmare View Post

        Thank you for all of the advice and info., I will be sure to remember it.
        It definitely helped me understand more of the way business is conducted in China.
        I actually received the items I talked about in the OP today. I got what I asked for and the quality is what I hoped for. If I got what I wanted for the price that I payed, heck they can be middle-manning for a factory for all I care. Of course, it would be nice to get in contact with a factory for this material, but this is okay for now.
        Dude, was thinking about this earlier! Glad to see that you got your stuff man!
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      • Profile picture of the author Monsterd
        Originally Posted by znightmare View Post

        Of course, it would be nice to get in contact with a factory for this material, but this is okay for now.
        So many of my clients always ask me this but don't worry about it. A lot of times the brokers are better to deal with because they specialize in knowing and finding out who all the factories are. He's able to price shop from various factories and overall, get you a better bargain and more range of products than if you went to one factory direct. Going direct, they may have great prices one day and the next they go up or their out of business. Similar to the USA, probably 90% of small businesses in China fail/change directions within the first 1-2 years.

        Working with a good broker usually is the best way to go. Yea, might pay a tad bit more than if you knew the factory but you won't spend all your time sourcing product and can spend that time working to sell it on the other side. Time is money and if the broker is adding value that saves you time then that's a great situation.


        Glad you got your stuff alright!

        I'm actually really impressed with Alibaba/Aliexpress. They've become quite the competitor of eBay for certain material over the last 5-6 years.
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        • Profile picture of the author Importexport
          Originally Posted by Monsterd View Post

          So many of my clients always ask me this but don't worry about it. A lot of times the brokers are better to deal with because they specialize in knowing and finding out who all the factories are. He's able to price shop from various factories and overall, get you a better bargain and more range of products than if you went to one factory direct. Going direct, they may have great prices one day and the next they go up or their out of business. Similar to the USA, probably 90% of small businesses in China fail/change directions within the first 1-2 years.

          Working with a good broker usually is the best way to go. Yea, might pay a tad bit more than if you knew the factory but you won't spend all your time sourcing product and can spend that time working to sell it on the other side. Time is money and if the broker is adding value that saves you time then that's a great situation.

          Glad you got your stuff alright!

          I'm actually really impressed with Alibaba/Aliexpress. They've become quite the competitor of eBay for certain material over the last 5-6 years.
          I teach that there is no point in using a trader (Broker) in China when by using the right methods and safe sourcing sites you can be sure that you are only dealing with genuine manufacturers.

          Traders usually add 50% markup to the price they pay to the manufacturer. That's a huge fee for them to save you some time, when there is no need to waste that time.

          Sourcing is not time consuming if you don't waste your time trying to sift out the very few genuine manufacturers on Alibaba.

          Aliexpress compete to some extent with eBay, but buyers have very little real protection. Even using PayPal, which is a very expensive way of paying for goods bought in China, the protection offered is not what most people expect.

          There are plenty of cases in which buyers have paid via PayPal and still lost their money. Scammers know how to beat the system.

          Aliexpress no longer has an escrow service. For legal reasons it is now called called Buyer Protection. It still has the same loopholes as the old escrow service, and has some rules that can be confusing.

          Do you know what "order completed" means? More importantly do you know what Alibaba means when they refer to "your order has been completed"?

          Do you know what they mean when in their "Easy Returns" section they boast that: "Products which fall under this return policy can be returned to the seller, as long as they are unused and in the original packaging."? Many people don't read carefully and think this applies to them, but it only applies to orders sent to customers in China.

          Most suppliers require goods to be returned if a refund claim is made. Shipping goods back to China is invariably at the buyer's expense, and that is often more than the value of the goods.

          Many suppliers have learned that if they negotiate endlessly, the time allowed by Alibaba (Aliexpress) will expire and no claim can succeed.

          What this all means is that sourcing through Alibaba or Aliexpress is unlikely to get you genuine ex-factory prices and it involves considerable risk.

          Finally, you can ignore the feedback on Alibaba or Aliexpress as a guide to reliability.

          "If you think education is expensive - consider the cost of ignorance."
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    I second the use of 'Your Office In China' service. Good for a little extra peace of mind. They'll go inspect the factory for you and make sure they have the correct documentation. They'll even go check the quality of your shipment before its locked in the container if you want them too!
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by Stuiebee View Post

      I second the use of 'Your Office In China' service. Good for a little extra peace of mind. They'll go inspect the factory for you and make sure they have the correct documentation. They'll even go check the quality of your shipment before its locked in the container if you want them too!
      OK if your shipment value warrants paying them a few hundred dollars for inspection.

      I suggest you read my post #9

      "If you think education is expensive - consider the cost of ignorance."
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