Are coaching programs just after the newbies money?

by rtol
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So stupid of me to ask this question as this is a forum wherein a lot of "coaching" predators are in a hunt for their prey. Maybe not all...hopefully.

I am just wondering why these coaches who claim that they make A LOT of money in ecommerce but can not guarantee to their supposed to be students the duplication of their success.

If they teach you everything that they know (market research, niche selection, suppliers, products, marketing, etc.) And you have the benefit of 1-on-1 consultation and direct contact with him/her and let us say you did all the work and follow eveything that they said then why cant you make the same success as them?

What am I missing here? Are they just after the money? Dont they teach you everything they know? And if they make that much money, then why do they bother teaching? And most if not all CAN NOT show real time results. Only "screenshots" which can easily be photoshopped.

Just asking....
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  • Profile picture of the author Virtualghost
    Well my opinion there's a lot of "Coaches" here who come out with "Coaching" WSO" every other day and you can scan and going through the many on here you'll get familiar with their names and find little to no one comes back to say they actually learned enough or made anything from the "Coaching".Usually reviews are yeah it's doable etc. etc. but no actual money mentioned.They make their money coming up with these so called "Coaching" WSO's and are good writers or have writers to produce these offers that entice you to buy even though they have made little and thus cannot prove otherwise.But as it is they are not permitted to show proof here so they use that as excuse not to show past profits if they exist.Like I say buyer beware and do your homework and if it's too good to be true usually is.
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  • Profile picture of the author rtol
    Yeah I know that it is still up to the student but come on...if the "coach" offers 1-on-1 coaching and say that he/she gonna teach the student EVERYTHING then why cant the "coach" gurantee the student's success?

    I am talking about the student doing the work and executing all the things that were taught along with the coach working side by side with the student.

    Coaches, where you at?
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  • Profile picture of the author dave_hermansen
    The problem is, you can teach everything you know but it doesn't mean the person will retain it or implement it. There is a TON of work involved in being successful in most eCommerce ventures and we can show you what to do, but it is still up to the people to do the actual work. It's like most things in life, successful people are successful because they do everything it takes to be successful. They don't take "no" for an answer and when a wall is put up in front of them, they figure out a way over it, under it, or they bash right through it. All of the most successful people I know in this industry worked 60-90 hours per week on our web businesses - at least until they became successful (and some of us still do).You can't teach that!

    You'd be surprised at how few people who say they are 100% committed and who will do everything they can to be successful actually are 100% committed. A few weeks or months in, they realize it's just too much work and give up. Once they hear "no" from two suppliers, they hang it up, figuring it's just too hard. Once they have their first ten link requests turned down, they give up. If they can't figure out the shopping cart platform, they throw up their arms and quit instead of buckling down and trying to learn it. There's dozens of reasons for quitting and most people will exercise them if given the chance.

    As far as guaranteeing success goes, it all comes down to the definition of "success" you wish to use. We have never built a website that did not make at least some profit. We dump a ton of them because they turn out to be too much work for the relatively low amount of profit (but they did have some profit). A site that makes a few hundred profit per month is not worth our time. We would rather spend our time on the sites that have a much greater return - at least $1,000/month profit (we have about 30 eCommerce sites that do at least that amount or considerably more right now). And, of course, who is going to guarantee success when so many people just quit so easily or are just too lazy to do the work?

    The hard truth is, none of us knows for certain how much money a website is going to make until we have built it (unless we know one in that niche that was sold or someone was bragging on a forum how much his website selling "X" was making). The search numbers combined with the amount of competition and the profit per sale are good indicators but things are not always as they seem. We've had sites that we only thought would make a few hundred dollars profit that made a few thousand per month and sites that we thought were going to be goldmines that only made a few hundred per month. If we knew ahead of time which ones were the real winners and losers, we'd all be multimillionaires. We'll toss up three sites in three different niches and keep the best of the three. Then, we'll do it all over again with another three.

    In addition to our free course, we have many other paid services, one of which is private coaching. You'd be shocked by the number of people who pay for 4 calls per month that only show up for one and didn't accomplish a thing since the last call, 4 weeks ago. Far more people pay for things they do not use than people who use what they pay for. Life seems to often get in the way of itself and provides people with a plethora of excuses for not being successful.

    Ask yourself, are you the type of person who is going to all on your own, learn image creation and editing? Are you going to work your butt off to become a better writer? Are you going to on your own learn HTML and CSS skills (at the very minimum) so that you can make your websites look even better? Are you going to learn accounting on your own? Are you going to muster up enough courage to call supplier after supplier, hearing "no" time after time, until you finally get a "yes"? There are many other skills that you pick up in this long journey and no course is going to teach you any of those things. You have to learn those things on your own or pay other people a whole lot of your profits to do them for you.

    More than anything, the skills that most people seem to lack are patience and persistence. So many people are looking for the fast, immediate buck. So many have a great excuse for procrastinating. So few have the determination to keep plodding along, one step at a time when the mountain of things that they need to do and learn seems so overwhelming. So very few have the patience to wait for all those little steps to pay off down the road.

    Bottom Line: We are not going to guarantee your success. You should be the one guaranteeing it to yourself. We give you all the information you absolutely need to be successful in ecommerce. What are YOU going to do with it? Plenty of people have been immensely successful with our course that never spent a dime on private coaching or anything else. They put their noses to the grindstone and got to work. When they didn't know how to do something, they Googled it and learned how. When one thing wasn't successful, they tried another. It's too easy to blame others or expect others to do everything for you when a mirror so often shows the real reason for success or lack thereof.
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      This is described absolutely perfectly!

      Cheers to you for writing it so i didnt have too!
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    • Profile picture of the author rtol
      Originally Posted by dave_hermansen View Post

      The problem is, you can teach everything you know but it doesn't mean the person will retain it or implement it. There is a TON of work involved in being successful in most eCommerce ventures and we can show you what to do, but it is still up to the people to do the actual work. It's like most things in life, successful people are successful because they do everything it takes to be successful. They don't take "no" for an answer and when a wall is put up in front of them, they figure out a way over it, under it, or they bash right through it. All of the most successful people I know in this industry worked 60-90 hours per week on our web businesses - at least until they became successful (and some of us still do).You can't teach that!

      You'd be surprised at how few people who say they are 100% committed and who will do everything they can to be successful actually are 100% committed. A few weeks or months in, they realize it's just too much work and give up. Once they hear "no" from two suppliers, they hang it up, figuring it's just too hard. Once they have their first ten link requests turned down, they give up. If they can't figure out the shopping cart platform, they throw up their arms and quit instead of buckling down and trying to learn it. There's dozens of reasons for quitting and most people will exercise them if given the chance.

      As far as guaranteeing success goes, it all comes down to the definition of "success" you wish to use. We have never built a website that did not make at least some profit. We dump a ton of them because they turn out to be too much work for the relatively low amount of profit (but they did have some profit). A site that makes a few hundred profit per month is not worth our time. We would rather spend our time on the sites that have a much greater return - at least $1,000/month profit (we have about 30 eCommerce sites that do at least that amount or considerably more right now). And, of course, who is going to guarantee success when so many people just quit so easily or are just too lazy to do the work?

      The hard truth is, none of us knows for certain how much money a website is going to make until we have built it (unless we know one in that niche that was sold or someone was bragging on a forum how much his website selling "X" was making). The search numbers combined with the amount of competition and the profit per sale are good indicators but things are not always as they seem. We've had sites that we only thought would make a few hundred dollars profit that made a few thousand per month and sites that we thought were going to be goldmines that only made a few hundred per month. If we knew ahead of time which ones were the real winners and losers, we'd all be multimillionaires. We'll toss up three sites in three different niches and keep the best of the three. Then, we'll do it all over again with another three.

      In addition to our free course, we have many other paid services, one of which is private coaching. You'd be shocked by the number of people who pay for 4 calls per month that only show up for one and didn't accomplish a thing since the last call, 4 weeks ago. Far more people pay for things they do not use than people who use what they pay for. Life seems to often get in the way of itself and provides people with a plethora of excuses for not being successful.

      Ask yourself, are you the type of person who is going to all on your own, learn image creation and editing? Are you going to work your butt off to become a better writer? Are you going to on your own learn HTML and CSS skills (at the very minimum) so that you can make your websites look even better? Are you going to learn accounting on your own? Are you going to muster up enough courage to call supplier after supplier, hearing "no" time after time, until you finally get a "yes"? There are many other skills that you pick up in this long journey and no course is going to teach you any of those things. You have to learn those things on your own or pay other people a whole lot of your profits to do them for you.

      More than anything, the skills that most people seem to lack are patience and persistence. So many people are looking for the fast, immediate buck. So many have a great excuse for procrastinating. So few have the determination to keep plodding along, one step at a time when the mountain of things that they need to do and learn seems so overwhelming. So very few have the patience to wait for all those little steps to pay off down the road.

      Bottom Line: We are not going to guarantee your success. You should be the one guaranteeing it to yourself. We give you all the information you absolutely need to be successful in ecommerce. What are YOU going to do with it? Plenty of people have been immensely successful with our course that never spent a dime on private coaching or anything else. They put their noses to the grindstone and got to work. When they didn't know how to do something, they Googled it and learned how. When one thing wasn't successful, they tried another. It's too easy to blame others or expect others to do everything for you when a mirror so often shows the real reason for success or lack thereof.
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      Good one Dave.

      You must be one of the better coaches here in the forum.

      I read positive and lots of negative reviews about StoreCoach so i don't know.

      I agree when you said that people stop when suppliers rejected them but how can they be accepted if:

      a. A newbie with no experience
      b. Only have $1k maximum to spend for inventory

      I am pretty sure that no legit dropshipping company would accept a newbie except maybe aliexpress.
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      • Profile picture of the author dave_hermansen
        Originally Posted by rtol View Post

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        Good one Dave.

        You must be one of the better coaches here in the forum.

        I read positive and lots of negative reviews about StoreCoach so i don't know.

        I agree when you said that people stop when suppliers rejected them but how can they be accepted if:

        a. A newbie with no experience
        b. Only have $1k maximum to spend for inventory

        I am pretty sure that no legit dropshipping company would accept a newbie except maybe aliexpress.
        Well, first of all, we don't have a refund policy because our course is free. You can choose to pay for tools or other services like private coaching but plenty of people have been successful without paying a dime for anything extra (the tools make it much easier, though).

        The tools or private coaching are monthly services that someone can quit paying for at any time. We've never had to issue a refund for those things because nobody has ever complained about not getting what they paid for. Most people realize that when they fail, it is because they didn't do what they were supposed to (we can teach, but we aren't going to "take the test" for you).

        You don't need any money for inventory when you are dropshipping. Tons of people in our course find real dropship suppliers who have never done it before (and no, not AliExpress). Of course, some people are far better at B.S.ing their way around supplier questions than others. The main problems most people seem to have is a lack of confidence or that they are too scared to pick up a phone and talk to another human being. The worst that can happen is they say "no" and don't help you at all, which is right where you started, so who cares? We did a very comprehensive webinar on it, which is available to anyone for free on YouTube. (Please forgive the first 5 minutes that have a black screen - totally my fault) -
        Although I'm sure they exist, like they exist for anything, where are the "lots of negative reviews" you have read about Store Coach? I've never seen one! I'd love to see the complaint someone has about something that didn't cost them a cent!
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  • Profile picture of the author rtol
    Funny how a wannabe coach sent me a PM and when I gave him a deal coz I do not want to pay $2000 to an unknown coach he then said that he does not want to work with me.

    Far out, he was the one who approached me. I haven't even heard of him.

    Come on wannabe coach please reply in this thread and give your insights please.

    This thread just suits you right
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Question is - what 'level' of coach is hanging around forums approaching people one by one? And what is it about your questions that made him view you as a good 'prospect'?

    Waste of time to rant about what others do - focus on what you need to do. You've gotten some good advice in several threads...run with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author rtol
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Question is - what 'level' of coach is hanging around forums approaching people one by one? And what is it about your questions that made him view you as a good 'prospect'?

      Waste of time to rant about what others do - focus on what you need to do. You've gotten some good advice in several threads...run with it.
      Some marketers think that all newbies are stupid.

      I wonder how I can make my own coaching program. Seems like this is a very hot niche.

      I just need to pretend. Nothing to lose in my part coz if it does not work, it is the student's fault anyway.

      Now that is a superb way of making money online. Blame the student, not the course not the coach, but the student.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Hi R,

    No. Impossible. A coaching program is an inanimate object, not a sentient being, so it cannot be after anything.

    That is called a joke

    Some coaches are after people's money.

    Some coaches love helping and inspiring people, making their focus the giving, not the getting.

    Just like a billion walks of life, some folks are in it for the service, and some folks are in it for the money.

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    • Profile picture of the author rtol
      Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post

      Hi R,

      No. Impossible. A coaching program is an inanimate object, not a sentient being, so it cannot be after anything.

      That is called a joke

      Some coaches are after people's money.

      Some coaches love helping and inspiring people, making their focus the giving, not the getting.

      Just like a billion walks of life, some folks are in it for the service, and some folks are in it for the money.

      Ryan
      You are exactly right!

      But are you sure that there are coaches who are in it for the service? Who are they of you know any?

      I highly doubt it.
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  • If you ask me, talk is fine, i let them to say whatever they have.
    But, dont pay a cent if there is no contract and refund policy.

    Show me success, and i will stay. Show me nothing, you lose.

    At the end, they are the one that gives an offer. And you are the one that accept/reject.
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    • Profile picture of the author rtol
      Originally Posted by funnelsoptimizer View Post

      If you ask me, talk is fine, i let them to say whatever they have.
      But, dont pay a cent if there is no contract and refund policy.

      Show me success, and i will stay. Show me nothing, you lose.

      At the end, they are the one that gives an offer. And you are the one that accept/reject.
      Yup a refund policy is a must.

      Some of them do that but you can only make a refund within 15/30 days upon signing up.

      This looks OK but in reality, MMO takes a lot of time and 15/30 days is not enough to test if the course/system works or not.

      Coaching program should offer refund at anytime for as long as the student can prove that he/she did all the necessary things but still cant make any money.

      Or better yet, only charge the student once the student makes his first $1000 online. I do believe that this is achievable in less than 3months for as long as the coach and student work together.

      But would any coaching program do this? Of course not because they are just after the money and it is always the student's fault.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Some marketers think that all newbies are stupid.
    And by the same token, some newbies are so busy trying to look like they know what to do...they miss good advice when it bops them on the head.

    Thing is - busy 'marketers' don't spend much time thinking about newbies - or other marketers - unless they are selling to them. It's not an 'us vs them' playing field.

    In my view, the term 'newbie' is just a temporary label and best thing to do is learn fast and get over being a 'newbie'. We were all there at one time - some people learn/work and move on while others call themselves 'newbies' years later.
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    • Profile picture of the author rtol
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      And by the same token, some newbies are so busy trying to look like they know what to do...they miss good advice when it bops them on the head.

      Thing is - busy 'marketers' don't spend much time thinking about newbies - or other marketers - unless they are selling to them. It's not an 'us vs them' playing field.

      In my view, the term 'newbie' is just a temporary label and best thing to do is learn fast and get over being a 'newbie'. We were all there at one time - some people learn/work and move on while others call themselves 'newbies' years later.
      Yup. As I have stated earlier, if they claim to make that much money then why waste time in here looking for students.

      Just to give you an example. I do sports betting online and made $40k in one month because of the system that I "invented". Am I willing to share that system? Of course not. But am I willing to teach someone for a fee on how I made that amount? Of course! But will I tell every secret? Nope!

      Do I have real time proof? Opening my sports betting account and show anyone my winnings in real time? Yes I do!

      But am i willing to teach you my system? NOPE! Because I worked hard and analysed so many games to make it work.

      Same as these coaches, wannabes or the legit ones, I am pretty sure that they will not tell you their secrets in MMO.

      Yes I do made a decent amount betting but I will not recommend it to anyone as it is too stressful and I am pretty sure that I can make more than $40k a month online if I make things right. I have the money to test things out. At the end of the day, I still have my full time job and my sports betting ability if this online thing does not work.

      Hopefully I wont label myself as a "newbie" by the end of this month.

      How i gonna do it? I dont know yet but i am slowly figuring things out. Hopefully this forum can help me out.
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  • Profile picture of the author MValmont
    Quit online marketing right now and find a job.

    I can tell you already you that with your attitude, you will never make it.

    Just stop now. Don't invest any money into this and stick to your job. This is REALLY not for you, you don't have what it takes.

    Thank me later.
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    • Profile picture of the author rtol
      Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

      Quit online marketing right now and find a job.

      I can tell you already you that with your attitude, you will never make it.

      Just stop now. Don't invest any money into this and stick to your job. This is REALLY not for you, you don't have what it takes.

      Thank me later.
      Nah.

      Im not interested into buying your WSO which you got from the other forum. You posted yours on May 2016 I think but that free info was posted Feb or Mar 2016.

      I am not interested in your coaching program either. SORRY. I am keeping my money with me.

      I got a full time job and I am pretty sure that I earn more than you do. I guarantee you that.

      This might not be for me but I am willing to give it a try.

      I have what it takes so dont you worry but ey thanks for the concern
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      • Profile picture of the author MValmont
        Originally Posted by rtol View Post

        Nah.

        Im not interested into buying your WSO which you got from the other forum. You posted yours on May 2016 I think but that free info was posted Feb or Mar 2016.

        I am not interested in your coaching program either. SORRY. I am keeping my money with me.

        I got a full time job and I am pretty sure that I earn more than you do. I guarantee you that.

        This might not be for me but I am willing to give it a try.

        I have what it takes so dont you worry but ey thanks for the concern
        Other forum?

        I'm not trying to sell you my WSO,

        I'm telling you NOT to do Online marketing actually...

        I'm not trying to coach you, I'm telling you to STAY AWAY from online marketing actually.

        Again, this post just proves that some students are just not listening, don't have the attitude and SHOULD NOT try to become entrepreneurs.
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        • Profile picture of the author rtol
          Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

          Other forum?

          I'm not trying to sell you my WSO,

          I'm telling you NOT to do Online marketing actually...

          I'm not trying to coach you, I'm telling you to STAY AWAY from online marketing actually.

          Again, this post just proves that some students are just not listening, don't have the attitude and SHOULD NOT try to become entrepreneurs.
          Yes you got the idea of your WSO from the other forum.

          Mods am I allowed to post a link here?

          Why would I Iisten to you? Lol...who are you anyway?

          Who are you to tell me not to try something that i am interested in trying out?

          My goodnesssss....
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          • Profile picture of the author MValmont
            Originally Posted by rtol View Post

            Yes you got the idea of your WSO from the other forum.

            Mods am I allowed to post a link here?

            Why would I Iisten to you? Lol...who are you anyway?
            You don't have my WSO so how do you know what's inside?

            Tell me exactly the name of each videos in my WSO within the next 10 minutes or everybody here will know you are just a fraud.

            Mods please ban this clown.
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            • Profile picture of the author rtol
              Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

              You don't have my WSO so how do you know what's inside?

              Tell me exactly the name of each videos in my WSO within the next 10 minutes or everybody here will know you are just a fraud.

              Mods please ban this clown.
              I dont have it and not interested in buying it as I can get the same thing for free.

              I do not know what is inside but you have the outline of your WSO there so basically I can see what you got.

              Why would I get banned?

              I am just here asking questions, being cautious, and cynical before I dive in. What is wrong with that?

              Show me who your successful students are and show me your success as well and I will gladly leave the forum.

              WF is great but the other forum is just as good.

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              I am pretty sure that you are one of those guys who would king hit someone as you cant handle criticism.

              Mods if I did something wrong then go ahead and ban me
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  • Profile picture of the author mrskl
    I don't think coaches are taking advantages on newbies, just my thought
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    • Profile picture of the author rtol
      Originally Posted by mrskl View Post

      I don't think coaches are taking advantages on newbies, just my thought
      Maybe some but there are a lot of wannabe coaches out there.

      A lot of these coaches are just after our money.

      One even told me that he makes 10k profit PER DAY but cant even show proof. Contact my students and screenshots are his only proof. My gooooodnesssssss I can do that pretend game too.

      One way to spot a wannabe coach...reject their offer (usually the $2000 coaching fee) and the tone of the voice will change drastically. They gonna say that IM is not for you and they do not want to work with you because you do not have what it takes to be successful. Really? Lol...In layman's term it is just like saying...."I do not want to work with you because I can not milk money from you.

      Now thats hustling but yeah they claim to be making sooooooo much money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamel Hassell
    New marketers and seasoned marketers can be vulnerable at times.
    Yes there are coaches that Don't have the best interest of their students as will be seen when they continue to upsell their client despite them not getting results with what they already have.

    Nothing is guaranteed online so therefore I would commend the marketers that are honest in that manner.

    Just because some one is teaching you doesn't mean you can duplicate their success .
    You can either do better or worst. I highly doubt that any prospect or student that I teach can replicate the same results.
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    • Profile picture of the author rtol
      Originally Posted by Jamel Hassell View Post

      Just because some one is teaching you doesn't mean you can duplicate their success .
      Good point but this only applies to real coaches with proven track records.

      Nowadays everything can be bought like reviews, video testimonials, pop up sales, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Mods am I allowed to post a link here?
    No, you are not - and you are close to the line with some of your comments. If you don't like someone's products - don't buy them Rudeness to other members is not acceptable.

    The above is honest advice meant to help you - take it or leave it.


    Why would I get banned?
    For posting negative comments in someone's paid WSO - when you clearly state you know nothing about the product and have no intention of buying. Don't do that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    we don't have a refund policy because our course is free
    So - you are saying someone who doesn't pay doesn't get a refund? That's what is wrong with IM today...oh wait....never mind....

    splorf moment - thanks, Dave!
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