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Has anyone had sucess with these guys?
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  • Profile picture of the author design89
    i had some luck selling some oil field products
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  • Profile picture of the author Importexport
    Originally Posted by peter800 View Post

    Has anyone had sucess with these guys?
    Have a look at the thread How Trustworthy is Alibaba.com? There are only 14 posts, so it would be well worthwhile reading right through.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRankedReview
      I am going to be honest with you, Alibaba is going to rip you off 99% of the time. Most of their sellers are scam artists looking for an easy way to make money.

      Their sellers either sell counterfeit merchandise or accept offline payment methods that will end up screwing you - western union, money transfer, etc. Even if you use PayPal and open a dispute saying items are counterfeit, they are going to tell you that they can't control quality unless you are going through eBay.

      However, there are VERY few and limited suppliers on there that are legit and worthwhile. Although, they are very hard to find. I would avoid Alibaba altogether if you can and find better alternatives.

      Unless you are buying from a real manufacturing company, their so called "suppliers" sell counterfeit and cheap Chinese knockoffs.

      US customs will make a meal out of you if that is the case.
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  • Profile picture of the author Samuel Adams
    And does this company drop ship your order to customers or is it buy direct for consumers only?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ecommerce Advice
    Alibaba is ok but you do need to be careful. The member 'ImportExport' has a good guide on importing from China. It's about $50 (I think) and a good read.

    I've used Alibaba loads in the past without any problems, but do your research first.

    People will often post about negative experiences and scam - less people post about their positive accounts.
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  • Profile picture of the author peter800
    I ordered his book an will read it today wwhen I get a chance I am talking with a company that seems like they know their stuff and they are just in that yupe of product they dont sell loads of different stuff
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  • Profile picture of the author domainscience
    Never had any success with them unfortunately.
    I know people who have though.
    Having said that, the pricing is not that much cheaper compared to the wholesalers that I deal with when you take a look at the big over all picture of doing business with China.
    Quantities purchased would have to be at least $30,000 per shot (for me anyway).

    Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by domainscience View Post

      Never had any success with them unfortunately.
      I know people who have though.
      Having said that, the pricing is not that much cheaper compared to the wholesalers that I deal with when you take a look at the big over all picture of doing business with China.
      Quantities purchased would have to be at least $30,000 per shot (for me anyway).

      Good luck
      Thanks for the plug Ecommerce Advice.

      Prices you will find on Alibaba will rarely be any cheaper than wholesalers because almost all of the suppliers listed there are wholesalers.

      Stories like this one by domainscience as quoted above are what scare most people into avoiding buying direct from China.

      I know that you will find suppliers quoting huge Minimum Order Quantities (MOQs) on Alibaba and all the other big, popular sourcing sites.

      A little known fact is that MOQs quoted on those sites are often much bigger than the MOQs that real manufacturers quote. The reason is simple:

      Traders (and don't forget almost every supplier listed on those sites is in reality a trader) hope to make a killing with a big order because they don't expect to get repeat orders. Many of them are opportunists who use manufacturers' pictures taken from websites or catalogs and when they get an unsuspecting buyer to order, they then make what is often their first contact with the factory and hope they can buy the goods you have bought. There are ways to identify those that work this way.

      They are similar in some ways to dropship wholesalers, except that they take delivery of the goods in China and reship them to you.

      The real story is that you can buy small quantities direct from the real manufacturers if you know how to go about it and you can buy at genuine ex factory prices. You can avoid paying inflated "Wholesale" prices and put the large difference into your bank account.

      The importing part is dead easy. The key to big profits though is to find those real manufacturers, and few people other than importing professionals know how to do that.

      I ran an importing business for 22 years and franchised it in four countries before I retired. When they started with me none of the franchisees knew anything about sourcing or importing. They were certainly not importing professionals . If I had not been able to make it work for them at high profit levels they would have sued me.

      Don't let stories about huge MOQs put you off enjoying the amazing profit margins generated by direct importing.
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      • Profile picture of the author IM Inc
        I don't have personal experience but I've heard from at least two people, I know, to stay away from alibaba.com
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  • Profile picture of the author vedremo
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    I've had good experiences there, but I was very careful with who I worked with. I checked the feedback. If anything slightly suspicious I left them alone. The good thing about them is that there are usually a lot of potential suppliers for a particular product on these sites. I also found dhgate & aliexpress to be good, but scrutiny is a must, eyes wide open.
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  • Just used it once to import products from china and it went very well . . however didn't notice much profit though . .
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  • Profile picture of the author onegoodman
    I didn't use AliBaba directly, but I have used AliExpress many times ( which is owned by AliBaba )

    You are buying from sellers and manufactures ( mostly in China, some from other countries in the east ), never had an issue with them ( I only buy from trustworthy sellers, and If I am buying a big quantity, I chat with the seller first ).

    Yahoo owns a big percentage of AliBaba stocks.

    If you are not sure, I would suggest to start with the seller on smaller scale through AliExpress ( most of the sellers over their services on both website, until you build a trust relationship ).
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by onegoodman View Post

      I didn't use AliBaba directly, but I have used AliExpress many times ( which is owned by AliBaba )

      You are buying from sellers and manufactures ( mostly in China, some from other countries in the east ), never had an issue with them ( I only buy from trustworthy sellers, and If I am buying a big quantity, I chat with the seller first ).

      Yahoo owns a big percentage of AliBaba stocks.

      If you are not sure, I would suggest to start with the seller on smaller scale through AliExpress ( most of the sellers over their services on both website, until you build a trust relationship ).
      Yahoo's equity does not involve them in the day to day running. It has certainly not exempted them, or AliExpress from getting plenty of bad reviews on Ripoff Report | Scams, reviews, complaints, lawsuits and frauds. File a report, post your review. Consumers educating consumers. While you are there check out dhgate also.

      vedremo thinks these are all good sites and there is no doubt that many people happily buy through them, but they don't know what they are missing out on.

      All of those sites and most other popular sourcing sites also, list thousands of traders masquerading as manufacturers. Traders will not give you prices as good as you can get when you buy direct from the manufacturers where those traders buy from.

      I recommend just a handful of sourcing sites that I know list genuine manufacturers. It is possible to buy small quantities direct from them even if they lists big MOQs, and you get genuine ex-factory prices.
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  • Profile picture of the author MEDUJEWELRY
    This is kind of funny to read Alibaba is not the seller they are a large classified for Traders, Factories, Wholesalers you name it. There are few factories on Alibaba the issue is alot of the people on Alibaba are trading companies and Wholesalers. There are a few ways to weed threw them. Also taking a course on importing before importing anything from china is wise one can loose thousands if they dont know what they are doing. Read up on there Rating system and know the factory direct pricing for the product your buying before you start talks with a company. Also never bring in brand name goods they will always be fake 100% of the time
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by MEDUJEWELRY View Post

      This is kind of funny to read Alibaba is not the seller they are a large classified for Traders, Factories, Wholesalers you name it. There are few factories on Alibaba the issue is alot of the people on Alibaba are trading companies and Wholesalers. There are a few ways to weed threw them. Also taking a course on importing before importing anything from china is wise one can loose thousands if they dont know what they are doing. Read up on there Rating system and know the factory direct pricing for the product your buying before you start talks with a company. Also never bring in brand name goods they will always be fake 100% of the time
      In fact the traders and wholesalers greatly outnumber the manufacturers and it takes a lot of experience to tell the difference.

      You say: "Also taking a course on importing before importing anything from china is wise one can loose thousands". I find it strange that people are willing to gamble a lot of money in order to save a very small fee that as you say can help them avoid losing thousands.

      I understand their reluctance in a way, because there are so many people selling instruction books and courses. I have reviewed many of them and I can tell that in many cases they are not written from experience, but have been written up after research has been done on Google.

      I also see some "experts" posting on forums and suggesting wrong, or outdated, or sometimes dangerous ideas. So how do you tell if a person offering such instructions or advice really does know what he or she is talking about? Search for all posts by that person and see what they have written. You should soon be able to see if it makes sense and sounds like it is written by someone who has been there - done that.


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  • Profile picture of the author Monika Verma
    Originally Posted by peter800 View Post

    Has anyone had sucess with these guys?
    That's a good Business Portal. I have used it to showcase our company services and generated good leads. You can check our profile there - CDN Software Solutions Private Limited - IT Services,Mobile Application Development
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  • Profile picture of the author luke4
    If you do visit Alibaba, stay clear from branded goods. There's absolutely no way you an get branded goods at cheaper prices on this site for the smaller MOQ.

    Unbranded stuff shouldn't be a problem, but if the price is too low, i can almost guarantee that the quality will reflect this possibly a few months or even weeks down the line of selling it.

    Like everything, do your research and i would recommend hiring someone to inspect their "factory" for you. Sometimes it's a factory, sometimes just a bedroom, or even non existent in my own experience.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author luke4
    Also,for genuine factories i would recommend Globalsources.com

    Still do your research on each supplier and only deal with the "verified" ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author PeterMFL
    Alibaba can be risky.... I would suggest Wholesale - Buy China Wholesale Products from Chinese Wholesalers on DHgate.com just as good or even better though keep in mind everything is usually fake since it's from china
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    • Profile picture of the author alnodeya
      Originally Posted by PeterMFL View Post

      Alibaba can be risky.... I would suggest Wholesale - Buy China Wholesale Products from Chinese Wholesalers on DHgate.com just as good or even better though keep in mind everything is usually fake since it's from china
      Why do you think DHgate are better? Are they stricter? No traders? Better prices? I thought they might be the same so I would love to know why you think DH is a better option. I have been a member of theirs for a long time but never bought anything. Never had a problem with Aliexpress - 100% satisfied to date.

      Thanks ...
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      • Profile picture of the author Importexport
        Originally Posted by alnodeya View Post

        Why do you think DHgate are better? Are they stricter? No traders? Better prices? I thought they might be the same so I would love to know why you think DH is a better option. I have been a member of theirs for a long time but never bought anything. Never had a problem with Aliexpress - 100% satisfied to date.

        Thanks ...
        Everyone recommends the popular websites, such as DHgate, Alibaba, AliExpress, Globalsources, etc. We often see comments like this one by alnodeya about not having a problem with a particular site.

        I monitor all the posts on this forum where sourcing sites are mentioned, and I continually see comments from others about problems they have had using those same sites. Just at the very least do a search for them on Ripoff Report | Scams, reviews, complaints, lawsuits and frauds. File a report, post your review. Consumers educating consumers.

        The fact is that sourcing from any of the popular sourcing sites is risky.

        The latest one that I have not commented on is Globalsources, so I will give you reasons why I would steer clear of that site.

        They now charge suppliers US$5,480 to become verified suppliers, and like Alibaba, the verification process only covers whether or not they are a registered business.

        Registration as a business is no guarantee of ethical behavior or reliability.

        There is no way of knowing whether suppliers identifying themselves as
        manufacturers really are such and I know that many of them are really traders.

        I recommend only a handful of safe sourcing sites where what you see is what you get. I recently removed one site from my recommended list because they have changed their format to copy the others and there is no longer any certainty that you are dealing with genuine manufacturers.
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