Book Flipping - Im Only Breaking Even

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Hi,

10 weeks I started buying used books to flip in Amazon. In total I have spent $1024 on books and $1228 on postage. But I have generated $2249 dollars in revenue. However I do have $7385 left in books to sell.

But after 10 weeks all I have done is broke even.

As anyone tried flipping any sort of product online and did they actually make a profit?

I dont understand what system I should use to make a profit or if I ever will.
#book #breaking #flipping
  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    So I would say you are ahead of the game as you have more than $7K in book inventory to sell and you have covered your inventory costs. I hope you are getting p/h to cover your postage costs.

    Are you using the book rate (if you are in USA) as that is a much lower cost of postage. It might go a little slower, but most book sellers choose that route due to the savings. Your buyeras should be paying the postage.
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Hi justlukeyou,

      Let's see after only 10 weeks of launching a new venture you have already reached the breakeven point, and you are complaining? Amazon went many years before they finally broke even.

      Obviously, with a little tweaking of your marketing effort, you should be able to push past the breakeven point into profitability, plus you are building your assets in the form of customer base, and inventory.

      Sounds like you are on the right path, you cannot assume that you have mastered a niche after only 10 weeks. Analyze what you have done, look for ways to improve, and take it to the next level.

      Start by segmenting your marketing efforts, find what is working and do more of it. Find what is not working and improve it, or drop it if you cannot improve it. Beyond that, there is so much more that you can learn and do just in the arena of marketing strategies. Also consider things such as lowering your cost of goods, reducing shipping costs and other expenses, or finding clever ways to pass some of those costs onto consumers.
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  • That's the problem I see with Amazon.

    There aren't as many research tools where you can see actual market worth potential that you can then take deductions and then verify profitability BEFORE you sell.

    Breaking even is pretty much 'taking a loss' in my opinion.

    To all those reading this, including the OP, when you're in business, you can, and should do thorough market research prior to inventory purchases and/or product resale.

    That is one of the advantages eBay has - you can see how much an item WILL sell for, what format WILL yield that price, and what deductions you'll have. From there, you KNOW your profit before hand and how much in profit you'll make.

    Mistakes like this are pretty much a non-issue.

    However, I'm sure you've already learned from this experience. Yes, you'll seek advice on how to 'save on shipping' or how to 'Market better'.

    But the fact remains that people will only buy your books for the price they deem the item worth.

    From there, you're profitability might stay stagnant. It might be the niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author daddyoh
      Congratulations on your success so far!
      Like others wrote, tweak your system.

      For example, here's my thinking:

      What books are you selling?
      Fiction? Non-fiction?
      How much are you paying for your books?
      I go to thrift stores and look for great book deals there.
      I also go to the book stores run by local non-profit agencies and companies.
      I get some awesome prices there.
      One of them is run by a local company that employs people with disabilities .
      What books are selling well? Sell more like that.
      What are you using to determine what types of books to buy and sell?
      Did you look at the best sellers list on Amazon?
      Maybe you could find and sell books on that list?
      Take a look here. It's the Amazon best sellers list for every book category:
      Amazon Best Sellers: Best Books
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by Auctiondebteliminator View Post

      Yes, you'll seek advice on how to 'save on shipping' or how to 'Market better'.

      But the fact remains that people will only buy your books for the price they deem the item worth.
      Hi Auctiondebteliminator,

      I wish all of my competitors thought just like that.

      While it is true that a product will have a price range that the market will support, there are so many issues in eCommerce that effect you conversion rates, marketing is just part of it. If you go through a couple cycles of CRO, and implement proper market segmentation strategy, it should be relatively easy to significantly boost profitability in a case such as this one.

      If a new business just settles for whatever the first attempt produces, and never tries to improve, then they make an easy target for savvy competitors to come in and knock them out. I put guys like that out of business dozens of times each year.
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  • Profile picture of the author justlukeyou
    Actually I made a real boo boo with my calculations. I took the profit I have made on the books I have sold and minused all the costs. So Im doubling the costs. I should have taken the revenue and minused the costs. When I do this I have made a profit of $1650.

    The problem is I thought it would be more than this. I want to do book flipping full time but the figures aren't stacking up that well.

    On Saturday I spent $128 and came back with $779 worth of books but many of these low ranked books which could years to sell. Plus many books fall in price within a few weeks.

    I cant find enough well ranked books to make it truly work.
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  • Profile picture of the author justlukeyou
    Furthermore, I am setting up a simple site designed to allow me to buy books from the homes of local people but I wont launch until the new year.

    The plan is that I will put flyers through peoples letter boxes, people then visit my site and submit the ISBN numbers of books they want to sell and I offer them a price and then collect it.

    I will see how that goes - has anyone tried this please?
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  • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
    Originally Posted by justlukeyou View Post

    Hi,

    10 weeks I started buying used books to flip in Amazon. In total I have spent $1024 on books and $1228 on postage. But I have generated $2249 dollars in revenue. However I do have $7385 left in books to sell.

    But after 10 weeks all I have done is broke even.

    As anyone tried flipping any sort of product online and did they actually make a profit?

    I dont understand what system I should use to make a profit or if I ever will.
    Now, I will give you an answer based on my experience.

    Selling books on amazon ceased being profitable for most years ago; I used to sell books there for 5 years. Books have become a commodity and making profits on them means you have to buy in big lots and hope you choose the right books. Tough to do.

    Also, I found myself throwing away and giving away much of my book inventory because after the race to the bottom, most books don't sell and are worth very little and take up a lot of space.

    You would make far more money working a minimum-wage job, if you could find one.

    The trick is to find a product you can buy locally or make yourself that will sell.

    No one here is going to tell you how to do that because if they did, they would be giving away their income.

    Plus, realize that many of the answers you get on Warrior's Forum are from individuals who are selling something. You are a prospect to them - nothing more.

    In addition, most of the answers you get here are wrong-headed and given by those who have never made any money in ecommerce.

    Those are the facts as I see them.

    Buck up; work on finding that unique product that sells from a local factory, make one yourself, or look for a minimum-wage jog. At least with any of these choices, you would have a chance to make some money, whereas now you are losing money. Breaking even, less your labor = a loss.
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  • Profile picture of the author imjunkie886
    Are you handling the fulfillment of the books on your own? If you are and you aren't redirecting them to your own book ecommerce site you're throwing away customers. You could have them take a survey and ask them what type of books they'd want to see more of and buy your books based on what they say. You could also offer them discounts or bundle packs based on their preferences. Just some ideas. Don't throw away money, you know? :]
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  • Profile picture of the author wizbiz
    Originally Posted by justlukeyou View Post

    Hi,

    10 weeks I started buying used books to flip in Amazon. In total I have spent $1024 on books and $1228 on postage. But I have generated $2249 dollars in revenue. However I do have $7385 left in books to sell.

    But after 10 weeks all I have done is broke even.

    As anyone tried flipping any sort of product online and did they actually make a profit?

    I dont understand what system I should use to make a profit or if I ever will.

    That's typical, All those high rollers, pipe smokers, claiming making big $$$ Dropshipping just another bunch of clowns selling their own ebooks. If you search hard enough you'll see that's making any kind of meaningful profit is near to impossible. I don't like the idea investing $1k to make (potentially) $100, after fees and shipping, speaking about risk/reward, if you stuck with it as you stated you can lose all your profit and then some. Chinese Suppliers BS is just another LULU land story, which was true probably back in 2005-6, since then Chinese salaries are up 10x, nobody working for 10$/month anymore. 500$/month is more realistic figures, that's why Those made in China product making less and less sense. Shipping fee there, shipping fee here, 15% Auction fees and you are our of luck. Possibly there is some market for High End real stuff for items 3-4-5k Rollex high end brand name not fake Stuff, you don't need to sell 10000 items to make $100.

    Why you think everyone keep selling Digital/Info Products? Right, NOTHING to ship! Nothing to lose. Cost nothing or close to nothing.

    Making sense?
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    • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
      I have about 160,000 books sitting in Amazons warehouse - and thats how you make money with books, volume and weeding out books that won't ever be worth money before you buy them to resell. The only reason I even have this many is because local library's sell books by the box at book sales so I paid .20 per book.

      If I were you, go through your books and find the ones that are currently selling for about $29.-$35 - and then list them for $35 on Amazon with FBA which Amazon Prime members will purchase because of free 2 day shipping. You can ship an 60 lb box to Amazon for $10.00

      Also, rank is a huge factor. Look at rank more than profit, because you might have a book you've found for $4, and it sells for $60 on Amazon which is a nice $56 profit - but if it has a rank of 2.5 million, then it might be a year or two before it sells for that meaning that there is only 1 person to go on Amazon within the next 1-2 years to look for that specific book - and what happens if someone comes in 1 week before that customer comes looking for the book and undercuts you by $2.00 and grabs the sale?

      Try to keep track of how many "long tail books" you are selling and how many "low profit, high volume" books your are selling. Long tail books are books that typically have high profit, but sell in low volume - and these should only take up about 20% of all of your inventory. 80% of my inventory is low profit, high volume. I might only make $2.25 in profit from my Low profit high volume books, but I sell thousands of them a month. My high profit books, even wih several hundred thousand listed, I might only sell a couple hundred of each month.

      If I were you, I would use Amazon FBA to sell my $35 books with a ranking of 1.5 million or less, then purge everything else and liquidate your inventory and restart with investing in 80% of high volume books, and 20% long tail books that are "purpose" books someone might purchase for extra research, DIY info, college text books, collectibles, etc and I wouldn't touch the 2nd edition novels with a ranking of more than 1.6 million.
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  • Profile picture of the author pstallone
    Interesting comments, it does seem that literally hundreds of desperate sellers, are making about a buck a book if that. You may get lucky with thrift stores but not so often. Scanning programs can certainly help.

    You will be buying quite a few books with almost no profit, some will make you a few bucks, and once in a while a very good return, it does seems like a very high volume prospect.

    I did try it for a while, as I actually like books, its amazing how many books are sold on ebay or amazon for 99 with a tiny profit made on shipping.

    On ebay media mail although cheaper will kill your profit.

    Its a lot of work for not much money. I am interested in hearing success stories though!
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